Is Soul Calibur playable with MAME?

[AceTKK]

I haven't been following the progression of MAME for the last few years and another post just mentioned SC.  Does this game run well enough to be playable?  SC was my favorite fighting game of all time and if it works it's definitely time to upgrade my MAME installation. 

-Ace-

-P.S. I'm currently using an Athlon XP 3000 processor.

[sc1103]

I believe that ZINc runs it well but the sound may be off/nonexistent.

[Howard_Casto]

lol  NO and NO.

Mame doesn't run it, zince doesn't run it. Neither will anytime soon eitehr as naomi emulation hasn't been started yet, save some progress emulating the dreamcast. 

Now Soul Blade will run on both, but that's the percursor to Soul Caliber and the games barely resemble each other. 

[youki]

Howard, i think you want talk about Soul Edge   

[Minwah]

Howard, i think you want talk about Soul Edge   

Same game...not sure if you were joking.

Ace: Get a Dreamcast, the port is perfect, or probably better actually.

[youki]

Soul blade is the same game than Soul Edge?    Sorry i didn't know that.   I looked in Klov , i didn't find reference to Soul Blade.

Sorry Howard.

Thanks Minwah.

Soul Calibur on Dreamcast is very fanstastic! 

I own the PCB of sould edge too , and it is hard to go to Soul Edge after having playing at Soul Calibur on a dreamcast.

[Minwah]

Soul blade is the same game than Soul Edge?    Sorry i didn't know that.   I looked in Klov , i didn't find reference to Soul Blade.

Yep, Soul Edge is the Japanese name, Soul Blade in the UK (& apparently the US?).  I'm surprised you know it as Soul Edge - I thought it was Soul Blade in Europe.

Soul Calibur is worth owning a Dreamcase for IMO   The mission mode kept me busy for hours and hours...

[AceTKK]

hell yea, I still keep my DC hooked up 24/7 just to play Soul Calibur with friends.  I had a feeling it was far too recent/advanced for MAME, but though I'd ask anyway since it was mentioned in a different thread. 

Thx guys

[SirPoonga]

Soul blade is the same game than Soul Edge?    Sorry i didn't know that.   I looked in Klov , i didn't find reference to Soul Blade.

Yep, Soul Edge is the Japanese name, Soul Blade in the UK (& apparently the US?).  I'm surprised you know it as Soul Edge - I thought it was Soul Blade in Europe.

Soul Calibur is worth owning a Dreamcase for IMO   The mission mode kept me busy for hours and hours...

I didn't know it was Soul Blade.  I played an Edge cabinet the other day.

[Zero_Hour]

Every Arcade machine I ever played in the U.S. was a Soul Edge Cab. However, the release of Soul Edge for the PSX I own (and it's not an import) is titled Soul Blade.

Hope this confuses things further. 

[Howard_Casto]

What I find most confusing about the name change is the fact that they are both English titles. If the Japanese version was some wierd title Americans couldn't understand I could see it, but what's really the point?


Another example of this:

In the UK The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are Known as the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles.  Why?  Dear god why?  TMHT sounds silly while TMNT sounds really cool (well at least to a 12 year old).  And these are both english speaking countries. 


Publishers are crazy.... that's all I can figure.

[2600]

I'm sure you know this, but using the word Ninja was against the "law" in the UK.  Ironically, the theme song still has Ninja in it though.   

Not sure for the difference between Edge and Blade. Offhand, I agree with you, there had to be a point or at least I hope so.

[Impactor]

Im from the UK i didnt realise the word Ninja was against the law.

Soul Edge/calibur were just the JPN,US/EU names.

the orginal games were arcade and PS - they were then jazzed up for DC release - and finnaly a number 2 was stuck on the end of the title for the arcade, xbox,GC,PS2 - each version featured a unique character.

Xbox - spawn
GC - Link from Zelda
PS2 - hiachi from Tekken

And just about to be released is Soulcalibre/edge 3 for the PS2 which has a make your character section, with literally thousands of possible combinations. and some new characters etc.. plus the orginal 'soul road' mode

Out of interest I could achive 96 kills in survial mode on the DC (thats 1 energy bar on ultra-hard settings), anyone reached a hundred or more?

[Minwah]

In the UK The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are Known as the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles.  Why?  Dear god why?  TMHT sounds silly while TMNT sounds really cool (well at least to a 12 year old).  And these are both english speaking countries. 

The cartoon series was the same ('hero'), but I think the theme song used 'hero' as well.

Not sure it is against the law to say 'ninja' in the uk, I just thought there were trying to make it sound less violent or something.  Either way, pretty stupid.

[2600]

Not sure it was a law, hence the " ".  I won't pretend to know anything about this my knowledge of this comes from history.dat, my knowledge of the UK comes from books and coworkers. 

The UK title for this game (as well as both the comics and cartoon series), "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles", replaced the original 'ninja' of the title with the less threatening "Hero". This is because the Conservative British government of the time wouldn't allow ANY 'children's product' to include the word 'ninja' at any point during its content, arguing that to do so would encourage the children of this fine country to use violence against each other.

Also, as far as theme song goes for the game, there is the UK version dumped that says "Ninja" and some one a month or two ago on Mametesters had a board and verified his used "Ninja" as well.  I can see them being lazy for the game, wouldn't of made sense if they were lazy for the cartoon.

[Impactor]

it was changed to Hero turtles as kids in new york had been going into the sewers to find turtles and act like Ninjas (or thats what kids thought ninjas did) - the Uk decided to dump the term Ninja to protect thier kids. it was by no means 'illegal' tho to use the word. I dont belive any word is 'illegal' in the UK

Also more trivia - the foot soilders in the film were real ppl. now the cartoon couldnt have the turtles killing real ppl so they changed all the foot into androids!

[Howard_Casto]

First off, if your excuse is legit (and I'm not saying it isn't)  that doesn't make any sense.  How does changing the word ninja to hero change the fact that they live in the sewers? Also why would the actions of New York children influence the British goverment?  If I know one thing about the U.K.  they write us yankees off as hoodlums and promptly ignore us anyway. 


Actually you've got it backwards.  The cartoon came waaaay before the movies.  The only reason they didn't use robot foot in the movie was because it would be too expensive and it wouldn't drive the "corrupted youth" plot.  Now the modern cartoons are based on the movies and those use actual people as foot.  But the turtles never kill anybody, they just beat them up, so it doesn't matter.

[elvis]

First off, if your excuse is legit (and I'm not saying it isn't)  that doesn't make any sense.  How does changing the word ninja to hero change the fact that they live in the sewers? Also why would the actions of New York children influence the British goverment?  If I know one thing about the U.K.  they write us yankees off as hoodlums and promptly ignore us anyway. 

One word: censors.  Nobody understands these people.  These are the same people who deemed GTA: San Andreas illegal for sale in Australia after the "Hot Coffee" hack appeared.  Because somehow having sex was more of a crime than shooting a cop in the face.  Bizzare.

Yes, the "Ninja/Hero" thing in the UK was true.  Again, stupid censors thinking that because of the rediculous actions of one or two people in the entire world, that somehow changing a single word in the title of a cartoon/game will stop violence and stupidity everywhere.  Capital "W" for "What ever".

I guess that's what happens when the board of censorship in a country are all 30 years older than the median age group for the nation they represent, and hand-picked by a single overly-conservative fella instead of being voted in like they should.  But enough of my political ramblings...

Moving right along...

I have Soul Edge on PSX, and Soul Calibur on Dreamcast.  Both are excellent ports with surprisingly quick load times (Namco fighters seem to load SO QUICK it's not funny).  I've just recently bought a VGA box for my DC, and am enjoying Soul Calibur all over again on my 21" PC CRT monitor in full VGA res.  Gorgeous!

[Minwah]

If I know one thing about the U.K.  they write us yankees off as hoodlums and promptly ignore us anyway. 

I think you have got this backwards...the UK seems to copy everything the US does actually.  Whether right or wrong...

[chris2922]

To get back on point,

Soul Calibur uses the Namco System 12 board which is identical to Tekken 3, and is not a Naomi game.

Soul Calibur2 runs on Namco's SYSTEM 246 hardware.

Soul Calibur is partially emulated in MAME and runs, though the geometry is off and its impossible to play with any accuracy.

[Minwah]

Soul Calibur uses the Namco System 12 board which is identical to Tekken 3, and is not a Naomi game.

I could be wrong, but I thought there was a Naomi version as well as the one you mention.

As I say, I'm probably wrong 

[Howard_Casto]

There was...... Soul Caliber was so popular after it's dreamcast release that it was re-released in the arcades.  Since sega and it's naomi system were cheaper and almost exactly like the dc, they decided to go that route on the re-release rather than the bulky and expensive namco boards. 

They did this with a lot of dc titles, including the odd choice of WWE Roal Rumble 2000, which marked the first arcade wrestling game in like 10 years. 

[Howard_Casto]

Getting back on topic, I ecently checked out sc in mame .100 and they are getting closer.  The sound is fixed now and the recent changes to mame seem to have sped things up considerably. 

*IF* the broken polys and hit detection were fixed it would be playable in mame. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening anytime soon.

[Q*Bert_OP]

Soulcalibur can still earn well in "B" % "C" locations...I bought a board and have it in JAMMA cab...

[AceTKK]

Getting back on topic, I ecently checked out sc in mame .100 and they are getting closer.  The sound is fixed now and the recent changes to mame seem to have sped things up considerably. 

*IF* the broken polys and hit detection were fixed it would be playable in mame. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening anytime soon.

That's encouraging news.  I'm just glad that someday it might be possible MAME will run SC in all it's glory.  When that happens I can finally have the entire canon of fighting games I grew up with all playable on one machine.   

[Silver]

Does SC (dreamcast) run with chankast?

So there is a Namco System 12 version of SC, and there is a Naomi version?

Confusing.... but it sounds like system12 is on its way in terms of emulation.


TMNT in the UK:

For the record, it was only the cartoon series aimed at kids that was changed from Ninja to Hero (title graphics/theme tune/merchandise all changed to match). However, the actual film, as well as the arcade game was released as 'Ninja' turtles (as was the somewhat dubious pop hit "Turtle Power" by "Partners In Kryme"). Amusingly, cheap imported merchandise flogged at markets in the UK was often "ninja" turtles (probably aimed for US), confusuing the hell out of some 7 year olds who got bought pressies, and I remember seeing kids bullied because they had the sissy 'hero' turtles.... Another thing to blame that governement with if you ask me...... ;-)

[kakau_the_penguin]

THought I would clear something up.

Soul Edge was the original arcade release.

Soul Blade was the Playstation port that had significant enough changes to warant a new name, including 5 hidden characters; Sigfried! (Nightmare Prototype), Sophitia! (No Armour), Sophitia!! (Swimsuit), Soul Edge (The Boss) and Han Myong (Seung Mi-na's Father).  Although all of these characters fought like preexisting charactrers (Soul Edge is Cervantes and Han Myong is Hwang).

Soul Calibur was not a revamped version of the original but a sequel.  It contained a many new characters and a storyline that followed on after the end of Soul Blade.  Cervantes is no longer the host of Sooul Edge but Sigfried is becoming the Azure Knight (Nightmare).

Soul Calibur 2 is the third game in the series but isn't much more than a better version of Soul Calibur.  Kind of like Super Street FIghter 2: The New challengers was to SF2.  THe Story hadn't progressed at all but there was a line up change, including the removal of Hwang (god knows why), although they did add Assassin as a bonus character who played identically.  Rock was also removed and replaced with berserker.  The three releases (Xbox, PS2 and Game Cube) all contained a different bonus character.  Link for Nintendo, Heihachi for Sony and due to the inclusion of the character Necrid, who was created by the creator of Spawn, SPawn appeared in the Xbox version.

Soul Calibur 3 continues on from the end of the Soul Calibur 1/2 story.  Siggy is free from the blade and Nightmare is his own person (so to speak).  New characters that push the story forward have been added and both Rock and Hwang have been returned.  Necrid is gone because he was a nonsense character, and all the characters have been rebalanced to make a much more even playing field.  Kilik's pole is shorter, Ivy has had her move list changed, Sophitia is less of an unstoppable butcher in skilled hands, Talim seems to be doing less damage.  Astaroth still sucks and Hwang stills rules.

Thats about it until Soul Calibur 4 is released.

[youki]

I think Sophitia disapear from Soul Calibur 2 ?  There is his sister : Cassandra.

Is Sophitia  still here as a bonus/hidden characters?

(i have the XBOX version only).

[TalkingOctopus]

I think Sophitia disapear from Soul Calibur 2 ?  There is his sister : Cassandra.

Is Sophitia  still here as a bonus/hidden characters?

(i have the XBOX version only).

Yeah.  She's there as an unlockable.  She's one of my favorites.  Quick and deadly!

[Banacek]

Actually you've got it backwards.  The cartoon came waaaay before the movies.  The only reason they didn't use robot foot in the movie was because it would be too expensive and it wouldn't drive the "corrupted youth" plot.  Now the modern cartoons are based on the movies and those use actual people as foot.  But the turtles never kill anybody, they just beat them up, so it doesn't matter.

I thought it was a rights issue. The people working on the movie didn't own the rights to the cartoon. The cartoon created characters that weren't in the comic, so they belonged to both the creators and the distributors...

[lloydcom]

Quite some time ago when I was into role playing games like D&D there was a new game on the block called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Other Strangeness.  Like D&D but you can make up your character as different animals and the rules of play was very different and interesting.

How the cartoon and the movies were related to the role playing game is unclear as the RP game had adult themes like extreme violence and drug abuse.

Soul Blade -> Soul Edge well the end character or force was Soul Edge and the game Soul Blade had to do with the different blades used in the game, thus the ability to block until you lose your weapon.  I like the previous explanation refering to the PSX post.  It was this game that made me buy the console for

[youki]

Yeah.  She's there as an unlockable.  She's one of my favorites.  Quick and deadly!

Cool! That's my favorite too.  Now i'm playing with Cassandra but i would prefer sophitia.  I guess i have to play more to unlock her! 

I play Soul Calibur 1 on my DC and SouCalibur 2 on my XBOX.  I 've been very disapointed about the background on the XBOX.  They seems "flat" in comparison of the DC version.