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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #160 on: August 31, 2005, 07:11:55 pm »
Well, yes, frankly.  These are Americans.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #161 on: August 31, 2005, 07:18:17 pm »

Did we really expect the people who have no problem with 100,000 people being killed needlessly in a 'brown' country with their tax dollars to have a problem with whats happening in New Orleans?


Here I was starting to think it was just MrC who thought he was better than everyone else in the room.  We'll get to building a pedestal for you, but right now we need the materials for a little bathtub down by our coast.

Are we gonna get more facts from you like our unemployment numbers or civilians killed in Iraq or....it's too hard keeping up with your dismisinformation you get from your media.  Just give us your unbiased crap so MrC can agree with you.

Oh, and this just in:

     Bush Expected to Visit Storm-Ravaged Areas
 
     Bush to be criticized for not showing up soon
     enough but criticized for tying up resources
     while on his visit.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #162 on: August 31, 2005, 07:22:54 pm »

Here I was starting to think it was just MrC who thought he was better than everyone else in the room.


See...now that's just insulting.  To me.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #163 on: August 31, 2005, 07:23:25 pm »
Classy.

People are still dying there and you guys are competing for funniest one-liner...and Drew has the balls to question my concerns, and criticise my character.

Real classy.

Did we really expect the people who have no problem with 100,000 people being killed needlessly in a 'brown' country with their tax dollars to have a problem with whats happening in New Orleans?

I did care that the Iraqi people were paying taxes so Sadamn could kill 100,000 of them.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #164 on: August 31, 2005, 07:58:05 pm »
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #165 on: August 31, 2005, 07:59:51 pm »
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #166 on: August 31, 2005, 08:02:31 pm »
I don't care about the City of New Orleans, it was a toilet before the flooding.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #167 on: August 31, 2005, 08:05:59 pm »
Bush to be criticized for not showing up soon enough but criticized for tying up resources

Funny....I'd have never expected *you* to bring this up! You must be starting to see the light, there is hope for you after all.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #168 on: August 31, 2005, 08:07:38 pm »
On a lighter note


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Re: Martial Law Declared in New Orleans
« Reply #169 on: August 31, 2005, 10:14:20 pm »
The mainstream media is not prepared to deal with this sort of concept, so they'll focus on vilifying the "looters" and sensationalizing the mass chaos, as borderline racists on the right feign sympathy, while practicing indifference.

Why won't you villify them?  Because they are hungry?  Because most of the ones that are shown on television are black?  Because you can't blame anyone for anything?

It's against the law to steal.  I don't care if you're hungry.  If I had to steal to feed my family, I'd be prepared to deal with the consequences.  I wouldn't, however, be on CNN showing my new Nike's.

Please Mr. C, please hold some accountable for their own actions, just once.

And blaming me doesn't count.

And why should the govt fund people who choose to live in a danger zone?  Would you be for the govt funding to rebuild Malibu, CA beach homes because they fell in the ocean?  Bet not.  'cause the people who live there are white, or rich?  two curses against them you thinks.

If anything, the govt should help the victims, get 'em out, and buy out the damn place.  Lease it to farmers.   No more buildings.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #170 on: August 31, 2005, 10:21:01 pm »
Bush to be criticized for not showing up soon enough but criticized for tying up resources

Funny....I'd have never expected *you* to bring this up! You must be starting to see the light, there is hope for you after all.

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If I weren't being proven right, this'd be almost comical.  Instead, it's just ironical. 

Oh, and being proven right by you time and again is getting to be boring.  I'm starting to feel like Shmokes.


Here I was starting to think it was just MrC who thought he was better than everyone else in the room.


See...now that's just insulting. To me.

You're on a different level.  Remember?  We voted.  Your sig even sez so.  I just thought it was kinda redundant to say you're better than everyone in the room when you're better than everyone in the universe. ;)

Please remove the smiting.  The Gold Bond only works for so long, and I was starting to wonder why the itch.  Boy, am I glad I logged back in to see the reason!
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #171 on: September 01, 2005, 12:21:33 am »
On a lighter note



I see a slight difference in those pictures, the kid appears to be hauling an absolute massive haul, while the couple in the first part of the picture is barely carrying anything.

I'd just go a little while without eating, as I carry around a large enough reserve with me to weather most natural disasters.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #172 on: September 01, 2005, 12:41:42 am »

 I just thought it was kinda redundant to say you're better than everyone in the room when you're better than everyone in the universe. ;)


Repentance accepted.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #173 on: September 01, 2005, 12:51:48 am »
I just heard on the radio you guys might be in for some strong wind and a little rain.

Just thought you guys might be interested there may be some bad weather headed your way.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #174 on: September 01, 2005, 08:58:09 am »
The Governor of Lousiana made a statement today urging police officers to bypass those needing rescue, and deal with the looting problem. THis is getting REALLY bad people......

NOLA area law enforcement has asked the surrounding communities (and civillians) to "loan" officials ammunition and weapons due to the lack of firepower.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #175 on: September 01, 2005, 09:31:54 am »
Was only a matter of time I guess.....

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/083105nola.htm

But at least somebodys making sense....

http://www.bakutoday.net/afps/english/shared/int/050901072853.mg3xn29z.html

"For four days there were warnings that (Katrina) was going to make a direct hit, and the king of vacations at his ranch only said 'you must flee.' He did not say how," Chavez said, charging that the United States had no evacuation plans. "It's the rancher mentality."

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #176 on: September 01, 2005, 09:33:26 am »
Evacuation of the Superdome has been suspended due to refugees firing weapons at military helicopters trying to help them.

I don't know how to properly say what I'm feeling, but suffice it to say I don't believe firing weapons at those trying to help you demonstrates much sense.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #177 on: September 01, 2005, 09:34:45 am »
Dexter:

What country do you live in?

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #178 on: September 01, 2005, 10:02:26 am »
Dexter:

What country do you live in?

Ireland. Dublin, Ireland to be exact. Why? (As if I don't know already ;)

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #179 on: September 01, 2005, 10:05:07 am »
"For four days there were warnings that (Katrina) was going to make a direct hit, and the king of vacations at his ranch only said 'you must flee.' He did not say how," Chavez said, charging that the United States had no evacuation plans. "It's the rancher mentality."
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Dexter:

Are you so completely helpless that you need the president of the United States to tell you how to get away from a hurricane?

How do you get to work?  To the store?  To the bathroom?  To bed?  Are you managing to do ALL Of that without help from anyone in the government?

BTW, I wish ALL of the politicians would go on vacation for 4 years.   No more LAWS.  We have enough already.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #180 on: September 01, 2005, 10:06:13 am »
The only good news is that this disaster might force George Bush to start taking climate change more seriously instead of giving priority to the short term interests of the US economy. I'm not saying the hurricane was directly linked to global warming (although freak weather is becoming more common all over the world) but it does illustrate that when it comes to dealing with the forces of nature simply crossing your fingers and hoping for the best is not an option. It's about time he started listening to the scientists. They warned that New Orleans was becoming increasingly vulnerable to serious flooding many years ago.

Also, a dose of high oil prices might be the wake up call that America needs to recognise that its dependence on vast quantities of oil (much of it from the turbulent middle east) is extremely unhealthy for political, environmental, and (in the long term) economic reasons.

Maybe it could be argued that the hurricane was a sign from god. I'm an atheist but it seems you sometimes have to couch your arguments in religious terms for people like Bush to understand.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #181 on: September 01, 2005, 10:10:39 am »
v. loot
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #182 on: September 01, 2005, 10:14:06 am »
Dexter:

Are you so completely helpless that you need the president of the United States to tell you how to get away from a hurricane?

No, but then again ITS NOT ME BEING QUOTED IS IT? Do I think enough is being done as we speak. No. Do I think the national guard could have done more if it wan't bogged down in the Iraqi quagmire. Yes.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #183 on: September 01, 2005, 10:28:39 am »
It's about time he started listening to the scientists.

Which scientists do you want to listen to?    There are as many who say global warming is a crock as not. 

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-329es.html

Who is the Cato institute?  I have no idea.  Probably on the other side of the aisle from the greenpeacers. 

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #184 on: September 01, 2005, 10:36:47 am »
Dexter:

What country do you live in?

Ireland. Dublin, Ireland to be exact. Why? (As if I don't know already ;)

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #185 on: September 01, 2005, 10:37:02 am »
It's about time he started listening to the scientists.

Which scientists do you want to listen to?    There are as many who say global warming is a crock as not. 


Actually no. The vast majority of scientists do accept that man made global warming is a reality.

They could be wrong but do you wish to bet the planet on it?
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #186 on: September 01, 2005, 10:45:14 am »

I see a slight difference in those pictures, the kid appears to be hauling an absolute massive haul, while the couple in the first part of the picture is barely carrying anything.

I'd just go a little while without eating, as I carry around a large enough reserve with me to weather most natural disasters.

Uh, so it is not looting as long as you don't take TOO much? Who decides how much is TOO much? How do you know how many people this kid has to feed? The bag is floating, so it is obviously not PS2's in the bag.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #187 on: September 01, 2005, 10:55:57 am »
I'm just trying to understand why you hate Americans so badly.

Hate Americans? LOL!! Far from it chief. Fact is I am one of a majoriy of europeans who dislike the bush regieme, its policies and its actions. We hope to see america return to its former glory sooner rather than later. Hate americans, no. Dislike the people who suport and condone the bush regiemes actions, yes. Be they american, british or outer mongolian.

Incidentally, my AMERICAN family member (raised with me) just went back to boston. I Updated him on the Iraqnam quagmire, ohio voting fiasco, rove scandal etc while he was here. Oh, and I wasn't issuing a fatwha/jihad calling on his 'yank' ass either. If he had been spouting 'gawd, amerikur, prezzidens' BS then there would have been a heated debate.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #188 on: September 01, 2005, 11:45:37 am »
Welp...Bush is back from his month long vacation, and it only took ONE DAY for him to wash the government's hand of any responsibility.

George W. Bush (Today on Good Morning America): "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."


Are you KIDDING me?

Either this man is a blatant liar or a completely incompetent fool. I'd wager on both. Is this how his mind works? Did he just decide to ignore all the desperate pleas for federal money to shore up the levees (over the past several years) because *HE'S* too stupid to anticipate just about anything? Sure, higher/stronger levees might not have stopped the hurricane, but it would have potentially saved a lot of people and untold billions in damages from flood afterward.

Every day with this moron my rage toward him and his minions feels more vindicated.


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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #189 on: September 01, 2005, 11:51:35 am »
If I weren't being proven right, this'd be almost comical.  Instead, it's just ironical. 

As comical as your sad pre-emptive apologist crap?



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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #190 on: September 01, 2005, 12:20:44 pm »
And where was the leader of america when this CATASTROPHE was happening?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4550031

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« Reply #191 on: September 01, 2005, 12:41:29 pm »
The mainstream media is not prepared to deal with this sort of concept, so they'll focus on vilifying the "looters" and sensationalizing the mass chaos, as borderline racists on the right feign sympathy, while practicing indifference.

Why won't you villify them?  Because they are hungry?  Because most of the ones that are shown on television are black?  Because you can't blame anyone for anything?


Those responsible for looting goods other than food should be held responsible, I'm not advocating that they aren't. (Even though it seems kinda' low on the list of priorities right now) I have a broader concern though.

In the early hours of a disaster of this scale...the media's response will ultimately frame the debate and coming national dialog. By constantly focusing on the actions of the outrageous few, they unfairly villify an entire group of people for no reason (LA population=4.5 MILLION). It's not going to help anybody, and it isn't going to lead to those real "looters" being held accountable either. I will say that I've noticed the focus of the news coverage has seemed to shift to include the realities of the working poor in America, and the conditions and decisions these folks faced before the storm. It's an issue that *should* be addressed, and I'm glad to see it.

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Please Mr. C, please hold some accountable for their own actions, just once.

I just agreed with you, but please see my deeper concern above.

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And why should the govt fund people who choose to live in a danger zone?  Would you be for the govt funding to rebuild Malibu, CA beach homes because they fell in the ocean?  Bet not.  'cause the people who live there are white, or rich?  two curses against them you thinks.

I'd say this is a debateable point going forward, and I'm positive it'll be addressed once this whole mess is stabilized. I think a historic city like NO deserved more attention than some beach houses in Malibu might because NO had already existed, before the implications of it's location were really understood, and it would have cost less at that point, to invest in protecting it, as opposed to "moving it" or whatever. Rich people that want beach-front property know what they're getting into. It's also fairly clear that the investment to protect the city would have certainly cost less than the damage control, clean-up, and rebuilding effort our nation is facing now.

Anyhow, it's really disheartening to see this underlying contempt for the poor coming from people here (and in the media). I'm sure they'll send money, but to me, until people work together to come to some understanding about the dynamics of wealth distribution in this country, and the reality of the lower-class struggle, and the effects it has on all of society...it will do nothing to fix the long-term issues. People aren't poor simply because they "don't want to work" or "are too stupid to help themselves." I believe that may be the case for some people, but I feel obligated as a human being to look past those kinds of people and focus on those who really need help.

They are members of our society, and helping them better themselves helps us all in the long-run. As bleeding-heart as it seems, some of my reasons are as selfish as those who decide not to care. Less poor in America, means less crime, less drugs, less disease...more stable economy...all things that directly effect me, my friends and family. Now, and in the future.

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If anything, the govt should help the victims, get 'em out, and buy out the damn place.  Lease it to farmers.   No more buildings.

Ok...well, there is always that option. I'm not a civil engineer, but there is historic precedent for other projects where entire cities were raised to protect against flooding. After a hurricane struck in 1900, Galveston Texas built their giant seawall and raised the entire grade of the city.

Not sure how practical that is here...just saying that it's been done before.


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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #192 on: September 01, 2005, 12:52:03 pm »
And where was the leader of america when this CATASTROPHE was happening?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4550031

What are you implying?  That Bush should have went to L.A. while it WAS happening and personally stop the hurricane?  Is he going to send in the National Guard to help out WHILE the hurricane is happening?

While the hurricane is happening there isn't that much he can do, so he might as well do his job and pay attention to other parts of the US.

I'm not a fan of politics in general (you would have gotten a simular response from Kerry on something like this) but be realistic.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

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And why should the govt fund people who choose to live in a danger zone?
THE ENTIRE US IS A DANGER ZONE!
So where would a safe zone?  Every area of the US has it's own natural disasters to deal with.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #193 on: September 01, 2005, 02:51:36 pm »

What are you implying?  That Bush should have went to L.A. while it WAS happening and personally stop the hurricane?  Is he going to send in the National Guard to help out WHILE the hurricane is happening?

Seriously, I'm no fan of Bush. Quite to the contrary, I find him to be the worst president of my lifetime. However, I have to agree with the above post. What could he have done? He seems to be doing everything possible now and I have to commend him for the effort that he seems to be making now. Despite the fact that he seems to think that he's god's right hand man, I'm pretty sure that there isn't a whole lot he could do to stop a hurricane.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #194 on: September 01, 2005, 02:59:52 pm »
Quite to the contrary, I find him to be the worst president of my lifetime.

Wow, really??

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #195 on: September 01, 2005, 03:06:23 pm »
Quite to the contrary, I find him to be the worst president of my lifetime.

Wow, really??  Nixon, Ford, Carter, Clinton.  Any of those ring a bell?

The fact that you choose to include Carter and leave off Reagan says volumes. Aren't you missing Rush Limbaugh or something?

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« Reply #196 on: September 01, 2005, 03:10:46 pm »

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #197 on: September 01, 2005, 03:11:56 pm »
Seriously, I'm no fan of Bush. Quite to the contrary, I find him to be the worst president of my lifetime. However, I have to agree with the above post. What could he have done?
He could have stood in front of it said "Bring it on" ,wrassle it to the ground, and open up a can o' whoopace on it.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #198 on: September 01, 2005, 03:12:54 pm »
Quite to the contrary, I find him to be the worst president of my lifetime.

Wow, really??  Nixon, Ford, Carter, Clinton.  Any of those ring a bell?

The fact that you choose to include Carter and leave off Reagan says volumes. Aren't you missing Rush Limbaugh or something?

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Yep, it should say volumes.  Regan was the best president of my lifetime.   ;)

You have your opinion. I have mine. We're not going to change each other's mind and the last thing this forum needs is another couple of daisies arguing about politics. So how about if we just leave it at that?

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