Wells Gardner VGA Monitor Question??

[Anonymously]

Just bought an arcade Cabinet it's a Locked 'N' Loaded cabinet.  According to KLOV it supposed to have a VGA monitor.  The monitor is working but to my suprise when I open the cabinet, I didn't find a place to connect my VGA cable.  Instead I saw this

Do I have to make a VGA cable hack to connect to this monitor?


It also have this board

do I need to make any necessary changes/setting to this?

it's connected to this (in the monitor board)


I hope someone is familiar to this type of monitor.  Any help is greatly appriciated.

[SNAAAKE]

hehe..this is a regular monitor...regreat to inform you.
I am pretty sure it is just a cga monitor because normally you have a vga cable comin out of the monitor(just like pc monitors).
                       

[Anonymously]

I've tested the cabinet before I purchased it,  the game runs well.  How can a game that design to run on a VGA monitor runs on a CGA monitors?

[SNAAAKE]

well,
lot of games run multi.
such as nfl blitz games..they run on 15 khz and 24 khz monitors.
Its simple enough dude.there is no vga connection that means its not a vga monitor(unless i am wrong).
did you do a search with that model #.
i am very sure its not a vga but you can call wells gardner and give them the model # and they will tell you exactly what it is.

[Cowboy Mac]

its not a vga monitor thats for sure, i suspect it is only 15khz also. i was going to buy a monitor with a similar product code however it was a 27" (27 in the code rather than 25) and the one i looked at was just a standard 15khz arcade cabinet. it seems like an old WG code so i dont think there is much info on their page (as was the case with mine). i suggest you try to return it if it was sold as a VGA (31khz capable) monitor.

[ripzone]

there are old vga monitors that dont have a 15pin cable output, they connect directly to the jamma edge connector. you will have to connect the outputs cables of the monitor to a vga cable outputs.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[Anonymously]

It does say 50-60hz, and if you look closely on the first picture I believe it say that also.  There is also what i believe is a knob on the monitor board that says 50 - 60 hz.  It is an early monitor due to the fact that it says it was manufacture May 1990.

[SNAAAKE]

there are old vga monitors that dont have a 15pin cable output, they connect directly to the jamma edge connector. you will have to connect the outputs cables of the monitor to a vga cable outputs.

Correct me if I am wrong.

I think you are wrong because vga needs more then 5 wires like R G B ground sync.

you need to seperate H sync,V sync and lots of other crap to have a vga display.

 Anonymously:i suggest you go back and try to get your money back if you paid anything for the monitor.
Also,sega naomi system is supposed to use med 24 khz monitor but every arcade i know uses standard 15 khz monitor so its likely one of those things(unless I am wrong,ANYONE?)

[MKL]

Also,sega naomi system is supposed to use med 24 khz monitor but every arcade i know uses standard 15 khz monitor so its likely one of those things(unless I am wrong,ANYONE?)

Naomi is 24khz only on KLOV and in Chris stupidass Mullins' faqs...

For several games you have a 15khz option but I've always seen 31khz monitors so far...

[SNAAAKE]

Also,sega naomi system is supposed to use med 24 khz monitor but every arcade i know uses standard 15 khz monitor so its likely one of those things(unless I am wrong,ANYONE?)

Naomi is 24khz only on KLOV and in Chris stupidass Mullins' faqs...

For several games you have a 15khz option but I've always seen 31khz monitors so far...

WHAT?
do you really see vga monitors in the arcade?..i mean..in the business,vga monitors arent that popular because it cost a lot more then regular monitors....sorry..i am not helping the guy who wanted to know about his monitor .

[Anonymously]

I actually bought the whole cabinet.  The owner doesnt know anything about whether the cabinet has a VGA or not and was selling it as a whole, so it's not his fault but actually mine .  When I look at KLOV and most of the site I visited it says that the cabinet should have a VGA monitor (I guess you cannot trust what you see in the Internet ).  

I'm actually thinking it this way, worst come to worst I will end up owning a 25 inch working monitor with no burn'in plus a nice looking cabinet, that I can convert to MAME.  I'm just interested to know whether or not I have a VGA monitor or not without messing it up.  

I actually email Wells Gardner to find more info about it, so if I find out something then I will let you know.  Otherwise if anyone still have a share on this please don't hesitate to post some info.  Till then I keeping my hopes up.

[JLR2000]

Yeah, email Wells Gardner.  I emailed them looking for a manual for the monitor I got in a cab I bought.  Can't remember who responded, but he informed me that he didn't have any more extra manuals, but that he could make photocopies of his copy and send it to me.  A few days later it came in the mail.....no charge.  A great company if you ask me.

Good Luck.

PS.  You know Andy over at Ultimarc is working on a new video card that will let you run windows on a regular arcade monitor....supposed to be out in early January.  Should make things much simpler if you're looking to go the Windows route....

[BobA]

25K7191 is a variation of the K7000 series.  It takes the standard cap kit of the K7000 series in most cases and is a standard resolution monitor.

Pinouts of P1 are

Red
Green
Blu
Gnd
+Vert Sync
+Horiz Sync

Pinouts of P2 are

Gnd
-Vert Sync
-Horiz Sync

Based on the picture provided your monitor is connected to RGB and gnd and -Horiz Sync.  This is a standard res monitor setup.

Refer to the K7000 manual for general info on the monitor.

BobA

[Anonymously]

Thanks everyone the verdict is in.  I also got an email from one of the wells gardner costumer service and he did confirm that this is a standard res monitor .  Anyway I guess I have to wait until Andy released his videocard.  I'm also leaning toward scan converter since Snaake had a great result from it.  But thats another topic.  I just need to get started on cleaning and repainting the whole cabinet.

[Geo]

Waiting for Andy's card is certainly not a bad idea and I will be getting one.

My question is what are you looking to do with your setup?

Using AdvanceMame/Menu and good old DOS, you can get that 15khz monitor to work fine with quite a few video cards. There is a list of cards that work with AdvanceMame in the build archive files. Some of them will even work with certain drivers that allow you to use Windows on that 15khz monitor.

When I first became interested in getting my 15khz monitor to work I tried all of the cards I have in my collection. PCIs, AGPs, Cirrus, TNT2, Banshee, etc. Most worked with varying degrees of success. After reading up in the forums I decided to try a Trident Blade T64 which I found for about $30 USD. It works great with all the apps I've tried, has a lot of available modes, is plenty fast and has 15 khz driver support for DOS and Windows.

Where am I going with this? Before you buy anything else (new cards, scan converters, etc.) give the stuff you have a shot. Read as much as you can take in, and the knowledge you gain will be valuable regardless of what ultimate goal you have for your Arcade project.

And don't feel bad about having a 15khz monitor. I have run some of the VGA games (Prop Cycle comes to mind) and they look OK. The biggest problem I have with the VGA games is not the look on the monitor - but they seem to take a bit more horsepower than my current computer system can deliver.

George