Hacked xbox controllers + playable games

[Goz]

Is there a list anywhere floating that might give me an idea of what games are playable using hacked Xbox controllers?

I'm considering a other console cab and a modded xbox seems like good foundation, but I assume it's like the DC and the rest of the consoles where as you might only have D-PAD and not both analog and digital. This has me wondering how many good games play well with just the D-Pad.  Is there something like MAWS where you can sort a nice list of games by control type?

I might tryt to hack some of the Pelican Universal controllers to bypass the limitation of control type, but just in case that fails.

I tried using search as it seemed like an abvious question but didn't find what I was looking for.

Thanks in advance for any help, insight, or suggestions

-Goz

[Dave_K.]

This has me wondering how many good games play well with just the D-Pad. 

I might tryt to hack some of the Pelican Universal controllers to bypass the limitation of control type, but just in case that fails.

Rule of thumb for console games, if it supports analog anywhere in the gameplay, its not really suited for arcade cabinet play anyway.  With the exception of NFL Blitz, NBA whatever, and a couple other true sports arcade ports, it just won't play the same using d-pad or hacked analog->digital controls.

Sorry this doesn't exactly answer your question on a definitive list of games that support d-pad. 

[MameMaster!]

....why not buy XArcade's PCB kit?

http://www.xgaming.com/byoarcade.shtml

That will allow you to BYOACs and easily interface w/the XBox.

That's what I use.

It's obviously works best w/games like fighters....but you would be suprised just how many games play well.

For the ones that don't (Like Halo) I just use my standard Xbox controller. I think I may get a cordless one once I get my modded XBox installed into the cab. I think that would be "cooler" than running the wire out through the coin door!

MameMaster!

[toyfiend2004]

do the xarcades have analog buttons?  like pressure sensitive?

[exph]

do the xarcades have analog buttons? like pressure sensitive?

The xarcade does not have analog buttons. There is one company that has analog buttons. Here is a link http://www.quasimoto.com/. Pretty expensive though.

[versapak]

do the xarcades have analog buttons? like pressure sensitive?

Nope

There is no need for them really anyway though, as there is no game that even requires them.

[pointdablame]

do the xarcades have analog buttons? like pressure sensitive?

Nope

There is no need for them really anyway though, as there is no game that even requires them.

There are a lot of games that use the analog triggers on an Xbox controller....

Try playing NFSU2 really well when you are stuck in either total braking or WOT... it's not going to happen.  And that's just one of a dozen or so I can think of off the top of my head.

And the real problem lies in the analog STICKS, not the buttons... a lot of games are not playable at all without them... which is really what Gozur is looking to learn about.  Sorry I don't have a list, but if you'd like Goz, I can run down my games collection and give you an idea of what games would be playable with arcade controls.  I have quite a few Xbox games

[versapak]

There are a lot of games that use the analog triggers on an Xbox controller....

Sure there are, but the question was about analog buttons, not triggers.

[pointdablame]

Ok well I don't feel like playing semantics, but its not uncommon for people to include the triggers when they state "buttons" on a controller.  And also, since the X-Arcade obviously has to have buttons that are used for the triggers... and the fact that I'm pretty sure those buttons are NOT pressure sensitive like on the Xbox pad...  makes me think that  it is still very relavent information to think about when buying an X-Arcade for use with an Xbox.

And, off the top of my head... Dead or Alive: Extreme Beach Volleyball uses pressure sensitive buttons, as well as at least one of the Baldur's Gate games that I can think of.  The DOA fighting games may also use them IIRC

There ARE games that use it... so it would be a feature people might want if those games are what they are looking to play.

[Goz]

Thanks for the replys.

It looks like instead of hacking some pads I am going the X-Arcade route.

I'll likely compose a list of games as I try them out.

Thanks,

-Goz

[versapak]

Ok well I don't feel like playing semantics, but its not uncommon for people to include the triggers when they state "buttons" on a controller. And also, since the X-Arcade obviously has to have buttons that are used for the triggers... and the fact that I'm pretty sure those buttons are NOT pressure sensitive like on the Xbox pad... makes me think that it is still very relavent information to think about when buying an X-Arcade for use with an Xbox.

And, off the top of my head... Dead or Alive: Extreme Beach Volleyball uses pressure sensitive buttons, as well as at least one of the Baldur's Gate games that I can think of. The DOA fighting games may also use them IIRC

There ARE games that use it... so it would be a feature people might want if those games are what they are looking to play.

I never said that there were no games that used them. I said there are none that require them, and that is very much a true statement.

DOA:3, DOA:XBV, and DOA:Ultimate all have an option for use of pressure sensitive buttons, but there is nothing in the game that can't be done without them. They just shorten how many buttons may be required to do something.


Triggers are definitely NOT buttons, but I can see what you are saying, that some would include them in with buttons. You obviously did.

The wording of his question made me think he was asking specifically about the face buttons though, since he said pressure sensitive buttons, which is exactly what they are on the Xbox pad.

Either way though... The main answer was no, they are not pressure sensitive on an x-arcade.

Games that use analog triggers are not well suited for arcade stick & button controls anyway.

[pointdablame]

Triggers are definitely NOT buttons, but I can see what you are saying, that some would include them in with buttons. You obviously did.

Actually I didn't 

I said what I said because the poster asked if the X-arcade's buttons were pressure sensitive.   Seeing as how two of the buttons on the actual X-arcade (which his question was posed about) would be mimicking the Xbox's triggers... my post was correct.  The BUTTONS on the xarcade will mimic the triggers... which very much are needed for xbox play IMHO... and cannot be accomplished correctly on the X-arcade (or any regular arcade controls)

... but I didn't want to play semantics

[Goz]

At least you two going back and forth is entertaining. Lets see how the following is spun.

X-aracade according to thier documentation has various settings for analog sensitivity.



Doh!

-Goz

[versapak]

I said what I said because the poster asked if the X-arcade's buttons were pressure sensitive.   Seeing as how two of the buttons on the actual X-arcade (which his question was posed about) would be mimicking the Xbox's triggers... my post was correct.  The BUTTONS on the xarcade will mimic the triggers... which very much are needed for xbox play IMHO... and cannot be accomplished correctly on the X-arcade (or any regular arcade controls)

You're gonna have trouble trying to find where I said your post was incorrect, because such a thing does not exist.

All I said was that they were NOT analog, and they definitely are not, regardless of any sensitivity settings, and that analog buttons were not required for any Xbox game, which is also true. I also never said it didn't have L & R buttons, as that wasn't even close to being the question, regardless of any semantics.

If triggers are what was meant by the original poster, then my statement about games needing them would be inappropriate, but it would be a flaw in his wording, not mine.

If I ask for a Coke, I don't mean I want any old soda, and I darn well better not get a Pepsi.

[pointdablame]

You're gonna have trouble trying to find where I said your post was incorrect, because such a thing does not exist.

To be fair, I never said that you said my post was incorrect.  I just wanted you to know that it was

<snip>
. I also never said it didn't have L & R buttons, as that wasn't even close to being the question, regardless of any semantics.

*AHEM*  I believe you mean L & R TRIGGERS... not buttons  

If triggers are what was meant by the original poster, then my statement about games needing them would be inappropriate, but it would be a flaw in his wording, not mine.

I agree, and if that IS what he meant, I believe a flogging is in order.

If I ask for a Coke, I don't mean I want any old soda, and I darn well better not get a Pepsi.

God.. don't ya just hate that.  If I ask for a Coke, tell me your damn place only serves Pepsi products so that I can order water instead.

Also.... in an effort to avoid making an intarweb enemy, I hope you know that I'm just messing around here.  While I do think analog buttons are useful in some Xbox games, and don't like the fact that arcade controls can't emulate that... I certainly wouldn't want this to turn into a REAL debate.  I prefer this goofiness much more 


EDIT: and as for the X-Arcade analog sensitivity thing... I've used an X-Arcade for all of 2 minutes, so I have no clue how that works.

[toyfiend2004]

AYE AY AY AY AY AY!!!!!!!!!!!

[pointdablame]

AYE AY AY AY AY AY!!!!!!!!!!!   wow.... i never knew i would turn this into a war of the buttons with that question.  Sorry Goz, did nto mean to hijak your thread with my question ....  my bad.  anyway... yes, I DID mean the trigger buttons as they are buttons on the x arcade.   and this is bpertenant as I am going to try to incorporate a controller hack into my CP.  so maybe in the future, instead of a war... however entertaining it may have been... why not ask the poster for clarification.   

so what you're saying is.... I was right 

Take that Versapak!!

I kid, I kid... no angry PMs please 

[versapak]

*AHEM*

[ScottRay]

I am running the x-arcade to xbox right now, and all the fighters are great (especially cuz x-arcade emulates analog joysticks through an 8 way)... But the sleeper hit turned out to be Tony Hawk.  Having friends over and playing 2 minute high score rounds is a blast on arcade controls, and it controls 100times better than I thought it would with an 8-way.

[pointdablame]

I am running the x-arcade to xbox right now, and all the fighters are great (especially cuz x-arcade emulates analog joysticks through an 8 way)... But the sleeper hit turned out to be Tony Hawk.  Having friends over and playing 2 minute high score rounds is a blast on arcade controls, and it controls 100times better than I thought it would with an 8-way.

any real tony hawk player will tell you to use the D-Pad (8way equivalent) anyway.  If you use the analog stick in THPS, you're not getting the scores you could be.  I have no doubt Tony Hawk works well with arcade controls... its not the type of game most people are thinking of in this thread.

[MameMaster!]

I LOVE the passion you two had in this thread

This is now one of my top 5 favorite threads!.........

"LEADY....FLIGHT!!.....LOUND TWO"

 

MameMaster!

[Minwah]

OK to try and start a list, here are some games which work perfectly well with digital controls:

Street Fighter Aniversary
Dead or Alive 1/2 Ultimate (& 3 presumably)
Soul Calibur 2 (note Ultimarc Xbox adaptor doesn't currently work with this game )

They are the only ones I've tried so far.  Personally I don't like playing games intended for analog controls with digital controls (any system, MAME or console), so I will not be playing any 'analog' xbox games.  Eventually I will make a driving control panel and interface my analog pedals so I can at least play driving games properly...