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Business plan ideas
« on: July 08, 2005, 09:13:45 am »
Not to spill all the beans (becasue I haven't put everything together yet)

But, what would you think about a local game store
that also offered the ability to reserve and rent out rooms for an hour or two
with networked game systems and a good size library of multiplayer games?
Doesnt have to be just game systems.. maybe PC based also?
Maybe charge somewhere in the $8-$10 range (to be compatable with the length of a feature length film)

It would also be a shop to buy/sell/trade Consoles, accessories, and build higher end gaming PCs.

Thats the 'just' of it without getting into tons of details, but how does
something like that sound to you game players?

Its a hassle sometimes to have everyone lug TVs and systems around, plus to have all the game discs available is a pain.

It would be nice to have everything available to the customer so all they have to do is walk in, and play....


...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2005, 09:22:26 am »
well they basicly have these, ive seen some in PA and NY areas. I dunno i know my friends would never go to one since the only time we ever network anything would be Halo 2 and we just bring all our Xboxs to one house and play all night and drink, for free.
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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2005, 09:26:47 am »
That's a lot of hours you have to sell to cover rent, equipment, your salary, interest on equipment, administration, insurance.... etc etc.

Sounds like a recipe for bankruptcy.

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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2005, 09:39:51 am »
That's a lot of hours you have to sell to cover rent, equipment, your salary, interest on equipment, administration, insurance.... etc etc.

Sounds like a recipe for bankruptcy.

The 'network gaming' would only be a part of the business,
I dont think a business would be able to survive on that alone.

The storefront would be the primary income.
...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2005, 10:45:34 am »
There was something similar in the mall near me, and that sunk fast. I'm sure they had very high rent. Another one has opened in a shopping center not far from where I live. Haven't stopped in yet, but it looks neat. Hope they make it!

http://www.thecyberhub.com/


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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2005, 10:54:26 am »
how do those places get business, really who wants to pay $/hour to sit on a computer, my computer is better than the specs on the one from that link anyway =p
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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2005, 10:57:57 am »
Well, it looks like they're trying to build a community that is about more than just sitting by yourself in the dark playing Counterstrike. Online gaming is weird in that its still kind of a solitary thing, even though you're playing online against other people. Bringing the tournaments in and having everyone in the same room changes the dynamic. I think it's pretty cool.

I feel bad for not having stopped in here. I drive by it nearly every day. There is a comic book store right in the same shopping center. That's not really my thing, but I'm sure that'd appeal to a lot of gamers too.

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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2005, 11:02:54 am »
yeah, isnt that what the point of arcades is though, and theyre dieing sadly =(

its a rare thing if i see someone playing MvC2 and can go up and vs them head to head in the arcade. well besides the fact theres only 1 MvC2 on my entire boardwalk =(
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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2005, 11:17:31 am »
I think an arcade is typically less interactive. A lot of people playing an arcade game don't want to play against someone else. Say I'm playing Street Fighter, I'm not that good at it, but I can last for 10 minutes against the computer. Do I want some dude that plays it 5 hours a day to come in and blow me out in two 10 second rounds? Not really. The nature of the computers being that you're not paying by the game makes it a bit more appealing to me.

I think startup costs of an arcade are way more too. So many of the games are now huge and cost a fortune. A cheesy Namco classics machine with a couple of versions of Pac Man on it is 3500 bucks. That thing is never going to pay itself off.

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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2005, 11:53:24 am »
let me put in my $0.002 cents...

I live in NYC... and there are stores like this...

yes, some of them do survive...

of course, they have other business, not only inet cafe thing....

sell / repair / mod consoles... games... etc.

1 thing... maybe hold a tournamenet once in a while... with some price.... you know.... if its crowded enough, you might break even !!
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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2005, 12:17:17 pm »
just a thought you may want to check out what kinds of licenses you may have to have to do this sort of thing..........

most people like to play in the comfort of their home....


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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2005, 01:12:14 pm »
Host Birthday parties for Kids. Sell them Pizza, Drinks, Chips. All the kids I know these days have Birthday parties, and gaming is a popular option. Offer a package rate like $120.00.
My son had one last year at a local

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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2005, 01:22:38 pm »

most people like to play in the comfort of their home....


Yes, I wouldnt be targeting the individual gamer
(unless they come in to buy games/systems/parts, etc)

I got together with a group of guys (a couple of times now)
and we hooked up 16 xboxex with switches and lots
of TVs...  its a blast.. but too much work.
It would be great if a facility was 'ready to play'
for groups of people (plus, customers dont have to own 16 copies
of a game to play... the business would have it ready to go)



Or.. to get an idividual 'Internet gamer' in... maybe have a sepate room or two with LCD Projectors, kick butt surround...  and let them play on a 8' screen... that would be a fun experience....
...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2005, 01:58:14 pm »
Dave, I think its a good idea.  We had a local gaming center.  It was composed of 10 gaming PCs networked together.  Each of them had access to broadband internet.  The location also had 10 slots open for BYOPC (Bring Your Own Personal Computer).  Thursday, Friday, and Saturday the house was packed.  Sunday they were closed.  Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday they had about half full.  Now they only were open from 5-9 Mon-Thurs, 5-12 on Fri and 12-12 on Saturday during school year.  During summer they added an extra hour through the week.

They charged $3.00 for an hour of gaming.  or 4 hours for 10 bucks.  If you brought in your own PC you could drop a 20 and play all day using their games and network connection.

Now I know it doesnt sound like much money, but they sold tons of snacks and beverages.  They also did genre nights.  Wednesday Night became Nascar night.  They actually would pack the place with race fans.  It was insane.  They would also hold a monthly all night LAN party.  Always full.  Never an empty spot.  They charged 15 a head.  On these nights they would bring in another switch and add about another 10 extra seats. 

I loved the place.  They made money every month.  But the seeds of evil were sown.  2 of the 3 owners sold out to the 3rd guy.  He became friends with a lot of people and he started to let them play for free.... plus he had a short fuse....  needless to say, he got mad one night and said the place was closed.  It never opened again.

If done right, a LAN center can make good money.  Especially when you hold bigger tournaments and the like. 

Just my 2 cents.... also, the biggest cost associated with a place like that is the cost of new games.  You have to keep legal in order to stay in business.  So if you have 19 xboxes or PCs.... then you in theory should get 19 copies of a new game.   

Just some food for thought.
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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2005, 09:56:26 pm »
...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2005, 02:14:35 pm »
Dave I really wish you the best of luck with your venture. It's a very hard thing to keep going cause of the big chains and their better deal. Something else I learned. If you can stock the old stuff no one "wants" anymore. You'll make a little extra money.

People are anxious to get rid of their NES games. They'll give them away(provided they don't know about ebay) for pocket change. Yet some people will pay you tons of money for rare things that you "can't find anywhere else". The big chains won't carry it. Just a thought
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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2005, 05:35:49 pm »
- figure your costs, and what you'll need to cover them.
- different site will vary enourmously in rent, traffic, and local hoodlums.
- prepackaged food like soda and chips are generally covered by a generic business license, but prepared food like pizza brings in a whole new set of regulatory hastles. :police:
- have something people can't easily get at home.  LAN, bigscreen, arcade style controls...
- look into free games.  many are junk, and people won't generally come looking for them, but some are pretty good and worth having on the menu.  my favorite listing is http://happypenguin.org/

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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2005, 11:02:17 am »
First off, I wish you luck on this.  I really really hope that this kind of idea takes off.  Arcades have been fighting a losing battle for a while, and a new outlook is needed to rebuild that community feel.

There was this fancy "upper class" pool hall in my city close to where I live.  It went under years and years ago, but the building hadn't been leased to anything else since.  I was always daydreaming of taking it, and turning it into an establishment much like you mentioned... So since I don't think I'll ever pursue it, I'll pass my ideas on to you. :)

The "Public Lan Party" idea is sound, but from what I read earlier, you need to definately take into consideration that if the costs are more than around $10 per person for an entire night, you probably won't get many groups walking in.  Most people will save the extra bucks, and go to a buddies place with their PCs, and spend the money on caffeine and pizza (which is cheaper when you eat at home).

To try to break out of that, I was thinking of creating an atmosphere that wasn't strictly networked machines. A few ideas were:

1. Tournmanets.  Yes, many many tournaments.  One weekend would be devoted to a multi-tier Starcraft tournament, the next weekend could be Counter Strike: Source, etc.  People would pay for entry to the trouney ($5 or so) and you could offer up a decent videocard or something equivalent as the top prize.  Runners-up would get coupons for future activities at your location, perhaps.

2. Projectors.  Multi-purpose.  Not only would they serve as excellent screens for displaying the action from the tournaments, but they could also be used for movie-nights.  For example, on your week's designated "slow-night", you turn off the PCs and instead host an Anime night.  Every week could consist of a different collection of films for people to enjoy.  They pay a small cover at the door, and voila, you've just reached out to a new audience. Projectors can also host sporting events (Superbowl, etc) which you could advertise and bring in even more.

3. Liquor License:  Granted you won't be able to serve alcohol without closing your doors to minors, but on specified nights (or simply "every night after X:00" the place serves alcohol.  It would be perfect for the gamers who have now hit their mid-20s to 30s.  These are also the gamers who would probably take up many of your extremely late hours.  (I drink beer and stay up until at least 5am at the LAN parties I attend)

4. Advertise advertise advertise.  I can't stress how many neat little places in my town went under simply because nobody knew about it.  Word of mouth will only get you so far, especially when it's such a niche market to begin with.  So flyers, ads in the paper, local commercials, etc.  You can never overdo it.

5. I don't believe this would apply to everyone, but the place I was daydreaming of had a really good layout for a stage.  Which means that on slow-nights, I could also bring in a local band or two to generate some revenue.  Probably not recommended, though.

6. Sponsor a game of Assassin in your town. :)  If you don't know what that is, I'll be brief... Everyone pulls a name out of a hat, you study the nae you're given, and hunt down that player.  You only have basic information to go on in the beginning, and it's a matter of tracking them down.  If you do, and spray them with water, they "die" and you get the info of the person that they are hunting.  Wash, rinse, repeat until there is only one. :)  The only reason why I suggest this is because, well, everyone I knew as a teenager WANTED to do this, but never got off his butt to organize it.  That being said, it's great advertising. 

Some of the suggestions are a little out-there, I know, but you just never know.

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Re: Business plan ideas
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2005, 03:15:29 pm »
There is a cybercafe type business model.  I tried to find the link for it, but came up empty and bored.

The cybercafe has card readers.  Inside the cyber cafe there is a coffee bar/ shop for the adults, with pizza too I believe.  There is a card shop.  They have rows of multiplayer computers with those cool virtual helmets.  You pay $3 or $4 an hour to play.  They had an Xbox room with several hookups to the net.

Tshirts, old arcade featuring galaga and pacman machines, etc.

Looked interesting.

You could start off small, but it's important to know the area.  You have to have somethign to attract the parents and make them feel like their kids will be okay when they have their back turned.  Kids will buy the time too.  Parents could sit and have some java while the kids play. 

If you could somehow incorporate a shop of stuff with the arcade, it would be great.  Look out how successful the Cracker Barrel franchise is.  1/2 store - 1/2 resturant.

I have seen the type of arcade you are talking about at 6 flags in Atlanta. 

I'm sure that if somebody put together the right combination, it would work.  People still go to bowling alleys for this kind of entertainment.   If you could put together the right merchandising / computer experience it would be good in the proper location.

I say good luck.  It could work.



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