help put HD on revolution

[lcddream]

might be of interest to some of you...

http://www.1080up.org/

[Hoagie_one]

why?

[richms]

After playing GTA SA on the PS2 in interlaced video, and playing it on the xbox in 480P - I cant understand the desire not to include HD. Any horizontal movement on 480I is nausiating unless you sit a long way away from the screen. In this day and age of bigger and bigger screens, its stupid to have an interlaced mode on there.

1080i is no better for artifacts then 480i. roll on 1080p - whoever decided to include interlaced modes in HDTV specs is _retarded_ - they have no place on anything other then a CRT, and how many CRT HDTVs are available compared with 42" plasmas etc?

[shmokes]

1080i looks a lot better than 720p...

But seriously, what the hell is Nintendo thinking?  Why in god's name would they decide not to support HD.  Does anybody else get the impression that Nintendo is trying fail?  Surely their hardware will be capable of it.  Hell, Xbox is capable of it, most games just don't use it.  I know at least that Syberia has a 1080i option. 

[Hoagie_one]

i think what Nintendo is trying to say is that $200 for a system is better than $500.  Most people still dont have HD TV's.  I dont have the numbers but i can gaurentee that I wont have one within the next 4-5 years, So I dont need that feature.

Nintendo's betting the same thing. 
Fun > HD
Low Price > HD
Cheaper Development costs > HD

[Nannuu]

Nintendo's betting the same thing.

[shmokes]

Xbox = $150.  Xbox supports high def.  I'm not talking about Xbox 360.  There is no excuse for Nintendo to not support High Def.  It's one thing if their system is capable of it, but they're just not going to require it like MS and Sony.  But if the system won't even output a high def signal.  That's just lame.

And I saw a 17" wide screen high def LCD TV at Costco the other day for $300.  Do you seriously think that by 2011 you still won't have high definition?  By then you'll be able probably be able to get a 50" OLED flat panel for $500.  And even if it isn't that important in reality....don't forget the fact that Sony and MS both support it.  It's going to be a significant selling point regardless of how important it really is.  And the fewer systems Nintendo sells the more likely we'll get a repeat of Gamecube/N64:  critical lack of 3rd party support.

[Hoagie_one]

im not gonna argue about it.  If you think the high price tag for development is worth it to you, then knock yourself out.

next gen games will be in teh $59.99 range.

Its just not that important to me.

[blackzc]

It's going to be a significant selling point regardless of how important it really is.

[Baker535]

HDTV support really isn't that much more of a cost to implement. As noted, Gamecube, xBox and some of the newer PS2 titles already can output a basic progressive signal. It shouldn't drive costs up that much, as already demonstraited in this generation...

Games are going to be in the 59.99 range because of the insane amount of polygons and detailed models Sony and Microsoft wants to push. To create that OOOHHH AAAHHH, must buy, Buy, BUY, factor. This means more development time in all aspects of product implementation and resources. They will also need to insure they are making a good profit on games to even begin to offer an affordable console price point. They are the ones making it absurdly expensive, not the basic technology itself.

Think of how much Sony has to gain creating a demand for their own products. Buy this new DUAL HDTV Wega and PS3 setup, look how awesome it is!!!!1!! It will seriously move some extra Sony products when the time comes.

[Baker535]

This is what I am sending Nintendo of America via the link in the 1080up program.

Hello,

I'm writing to voice my concern on Nintendo's decision to not include High Definition as a standard option for consumers in their next generation console. I currently enjoy a High Definition TV setup with my Gamecube, component cable and Wavebird controller. It's one of the greatest experiences I've ever had with a home console. I can not imagine going back to anything else and it's a driving factor of my future purchases, one that Nintendo helped to define.

I find it absurd that Nintendo has already taken a step backwards on this evolution of immersive gameplay. With the discontinuing of the option for the Gamecube while also touting the next platform as a "Revolution" lacking this great feature. I am also aware of the Nintendo consumer sales study where it was determined the feature was hardly used, but please consider when this study was done, where the market is now and where it's inevitably going. Given how Nintendo wanted to position the Gamecube with a lowest price point possible to increase sales and profit at the time, this made sense. However it will be a disappointment, if not mistake, that the option of basic native HDTV support is not included when the new console launches. Nintendo can't possibly be so narrow minded and think of only the market in 2006 when the console launches? What about the market in 2008-9 when the consoles are just starting to hit their peak in market presence and sales?

As a long time fan I'd love to see Nintendo reach the market dominance it once enjoyed in the late 80's and early 90's. I'm also realistic and know that it will never happen again because Nintendo doesn't have the market share to dictate the industry like it once did. I know Nintendo is a game company first and foremost, not a technology company. This has been what is great about Nintendo and why they will always have a place in creating games and consoles. However, the two lines are blurring with the successful introduction of competition from industry leaders of different backgrounds. They are helping to rewrite the rules of the market to push their agendas and profits. I do not necessarily agree with their philosophies either as business plans unfold for their next generation consoles. That's why I was proud in knowing I could count on Nintendo to deliver the kind of innovative entertainment I enjoy for a fair price, until now.

[shmokes]

Baker535,

I get the impression from your letter to Nintendo that you believe that they are not only going to omit an HD option, but cut progressive scan altogether.  Surely this can't be true...  Revolution will still do 480p won't it?

Also, in case you haven't sent that letter off yet, there's a type in the second paragraph.  You say

Nintendo can't possibly be so be so...

[Baker535]

Thanks for the double check... I was editing that thing forever! I don't write too often, this message board and a few other things are my only practice. I guess I chopped it up one too many times... In my original file the wording is correct, which is the source file I sent to NOA. I'll edit it back to what I originally sent them.

Also another good reason you commented, I just read last night in the new EGM issue about Revolution having 480p support as a required standard. I wasn't even aware of this factor until now. So if that is the minimum then it means component cables can be used and the output will be good. It's the same resolution as current Gamecube games for those with the proper setup. While it would be nice if it went to HD resolutions my TV supports such as 720p or 1080i

[Baker535]

Here is their reply so far...

Hi!

Thanks for letting us know how you feel.

[Baker535]

we will be forwarding it on to the appropriate people for review.

I know what that means... *cough* trashcan *cough*

-baker

[Lilwolf]

I still wish they would include VGA (*and SVGA) resolutions over HD ones.  More people could use it.  And I believe more people would use it.

It would also keep me... my kids... off the tv when playing games.