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BattleField 2
« on: June 25, 2005, 01:15:33 pm »
Okay... I can take off in a chopper and land it.. maybe 1 out of 10 times.

Planes... well.. "Fly till ya crash" is my motto.

Is there a trick to flying these things I am just not getting...
or is it really that difficult?

And...

why is the pistol so accuate?

This is almost the weapon of choice for me!  :)

...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2005, 03:42:43 pm »
You do know that you can jump out of the aircraft and parachute down right?  I sure hope you're not just crashing to your death...  :o
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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2005, 06:17:13 pm »
Dont use the same sensitivity for Air vechiles as you do with infantry..


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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2005, 06:19:42 pm »
why is the pistol so accuate?

A lot of games do this, despite the ridiculous idea of a pistol being more accurate that an assault rifle (I was always taught that if they get close enough for you to be able to hit them with a pistol then its time to run the hell away) It's done in the name of weapon balance so all the weapons are useful instead of the pistol being as much use as a BLT at a Bar Mitzvah, which is a real battle situation it pretty much is. If you want a notable exception look at Call of Duty. They had the pistol about right - I dont think I used it once.

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2005, 06:24:02 pm »
How about some cool pics?  ;)

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2005, 06:30:54 pm »
My fav technique with Codename Eagle, BF1942, and Battlefield 2 is to take a plane or heli and parachute where I need to go :)

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2005, 06:36:35 pm »
Back in the day that would have got you kicked off some servers

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2005, 07:02:19 pm »
My fav technique with Codename Eagle, BF1942, and Battlefield 2 is to take a plane or heli and parachute where I need to go :)

Id ban you for that..

Id also ban you for taking a jeep/hummer/buggy to go get a plane..

Id also ban you for doing the same with tanks..

And id pass your uid around to every other server admin i know..



You get into a vehicle, use it for what its intended.. dont just use it to "go somewhere"





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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2005, 07:21:28 pm »
My fav technique with Codename Eagle, BF1942, and Battlefield 2 is to take a plane or heli and parachute where I need to go :)

Id ban you for that..

Id also ban you for taking a jeep/hummer/buggy to go get a plane..

Id also ban you for doing the same with tanks..

And id pass your uid around to every other server admin i know..



You get into a vehicle, use it for what its intended.. dont just use it to "go somewhere"






Wow, glad I don't play with you!  Let people play the way they want, if they beat you to a vehicle or kill you in a way that you wouldn't personally do to them, tough shyte!  Some people just take games WAY to seriously... 

Cheating on the other hand I would deffinitly ban someone for but using the game and following all the deisgner specified rules is fair game if you ask me.
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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2005, 07:31:08 pm »
Let me see,  I paid $49.99 for my copy.  I think I'm justified in taking any damn boat/plane/jeep I feel like and doing whatever I feel like doing with it!  Oh no!  I got banned from Soapy's 486 DX40 server!

Whatever will I do?  Wherever will I go?  For answers to these exciting questions, tune in next time! (cuz I'm off to ram a jet into a tree on one of the 1,000 other servers up and running right now!)
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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2005, 07:44:03 pm »
Yeah, thats pretty funny.

What in the world would you use a jeep for other than to 'go somewhere'... haha

Maybe pick up another soldier and go to a drive in movie?

Yeah.. I'll drive whatever I can find and do whatever I want with it.

SOAPboy... its a game.  People don't always take it as serious as real life.  Try to have fun with the game, and not just be 'commando #1'.
...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2005, 07:50:26 pm »
Yeah, thats pretty funny.

What in the world would you use a jeep for other than to 'go somewhere'... haha

Maybe pick up another soldier and go to a drive in movie?

Yeah.. I'll drive whatever I can find and do whatever I want with it.

SOAPboy... its a game.

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2005, 08:12:34 pm »
Come on now, you're hurting my feelings.
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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2005, 08:16:54 pm »
Come on now, you're hurting my feelings.

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2005, 09:17:08 pm »
Well what if you have troubles flying, you waited your turn to get the plane, you deserve it.  Give it a shot.  Me for example, I can't fly worth ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, if I even tryed to get a missle lock Id probably crash the plane just because of all the stuff going on!  But I still try, and nobody seems to care.  And YES I DO TAKE VEHICLES FOR FASTER TRANSPORTATION.  Theyre there for a reason, TO USE THEM.  USE THEM HOW YOU WANT. 

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2005, 10:56:35 pm »
Well what if you have troubles flying, you waited your turn to get the plane, you deserve it.

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2005, 11:04:04 pm »
I tend to agree with SB, to some people playing online is serious business, but let them rookies have there fun.

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2005, 11:15:58 pm »
I tend to agree with SB, to some people playing online is serious business, but let them rookies have there fun.

Normally on crappy pubs, i rarely care if people take planes, tanks, and what not, and just go die.. because honestly, im not exactly a bad player, and ill just hold my team together on my own.. hell, there hasent been a single game where i wasent #1 on all counts.. and when i play on private servers where people actually work as a TEAM liek your SUPPOST to do, then all is great fine fun and dandy.. until some retard comes alot, takes a buggy, and takes NOBODY with him -_-

i just get pissed at ignorant gamers.. theres far to many people that play these games that havent the slighest clue on WHAT they are suppost to be doing.. they buy the game, jump online, and RUIN a good time for the people who know whats going on..

theres nothing quite like getting shot from behind, by a teammate, and him saying OMG PWNED, then you explaining that hes a retard and hes a teammate.. then him saying "I STILL OWNED YOU HAHAHA" and leaving..

Theres SINGLE PLAYER for a reason.. to explain the game and how to play.. If you play SP, and learn it, youll have half an idea WHAT each vehicle is used for.. and taking a tank to go jack a plane, isnt one of them..

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2005, 12:40:36 am »
I agree with SOAPboy 100%.  The planes are a valuable commodity for your team.  If you can't fly them well, stay out of them or you'll get banned from my server.  The jeeps are plentiful and not that useful, screw around in them in you want.  Just leave the planes and choppers for people that can use them to help the team.

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2005, 09:54:00 am »
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Re: BattleField 2
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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2005, 11:18:00 am »
Here ya go SOAPboy.. This one will really piss ya off.

I was playing in a BUSY game last night and took this chopper
for a ride..
...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2005, 11:40:25 am »

It does when your trying to win.. and your team is gimped because you have smacktards jerking off with planes and doing nothing but killing themselves costing your team tickets..



Jerking off with planes?  Jeez, go grab a life and a clue.  IT'S A GAME! 

Its.  a.  game.   You don't win a prize if you win, you don't go on american idol and you definitely don't get the girl.  Go grab a helicopter, fill it with guys then fly right into the side of a building.  Just once.  It's fun and stress relieving.  IF they call you names for doing it, go shoot them, then go play straight on another server.  Just once.  I dare ya.
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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2005, 07:31:57 pm »

It does when your trying to win.. and your team is gimped because you have smacktards jerking off with planes and doing nothing but killing themselves costing your team tickets..



Jerking off with planes?

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2005, 08:03:01 pm »
I was hoping that you would notice that!   ;D

I didnt want to make it TOO easy for you to find me and
annihilate me... since you and I play at a different level.

Just watch for the guy crashin the plane...Just after doing
6 outta control rolls....   That would be me.
(or the other 33% of the people the are playing the game)

Its WAR!!! 
...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2005, 07:38:09 am »
just got a smart ass comments for SOAPboy

man made jeep to get to one place to another, and occasioanly piss people off by ramming them into tanks or try to run over people.

theres a reason why ea made jeeps. to get to point a to point b in a hurry. imagine trekkin through a map thats 64x64 on foot. not fun right? hasn't BF2 got the largest maps around?
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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2005, 09:02:30 am »
Okay.. I'm thinking maybe I can fly better using my xbox controller...
I have it all configed and ready to play, but
when I go to singleplayer maps, they are for 16 players.. do any
16 player maps have helis?
(if not, I may have to go online just to 'testfly' aircraft)

...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2005, 09:05:41 am »
a few do. but good luck getting it..
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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2005, 10:12:46 am »
just got a smart ass comments for SOAPboy

man made jeep to get to one place to another, and occasioanly piss people off by ramming them into tanks or try to run over people.

theres a reason why ea made jeeps. to get to point a to point b in a hurry. imagine trekkin through a map thats 64x64 on foot. not fun right? hasn't BF2 got the largest maps around?

Take a jeep to a flag, fine.. take it to just get a plane, banned..


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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2005, 10:56:34 am »
What if I drive a plane across the compound to get in a dune buggy?
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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2005, 11:08:53 am »
I agree with SOAPboy 100%.  The planes are a valuable commodity for your team.  If you can't fly them well, stay out of them or you'll get banned from my server.  The jeeps are plentiful and not that useful, screw around in them in you want.  Just leave the planes and choppers for people that can use them to help the team.

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But the parachuting out of a plane or heli is a very good team technique.  Granted I do generally do a bombing run first o clear a checkpoint.  But I have found a great technique for taking a checkpoint in some maps.  Take a plane or heli and get to an enemy controlled checkpoint, bomb run to clear out some enemies.  Then parashute out ontop of a building near a flag.  The flag is now neutral, enemies can't spawn there.  That helps out the team alot when trying to take over the checkpoint.  And I usually try and aim a plane for a kamakazi at a tank before bailing.

And I never said I couldn't fly them well.  In fact, if there was a BYOAC clan I'd be the guy to take the I probably can out fly anyone.  Flight sims are my number 1 favorite type of games.  But you do have to use the limitations, physics, map layout, etc... of the game to your advantage.  Example, Codename Eagle (which is the grand daddy of battlefield) there was a wing walking technique for the planes.  In CE your vehicles ran on fuel, and could run out of fuel unless you refuel them.  Planes too.  So before you got into a plane you grabbed  afuel can, then if you run out of fuel you level off the wings, go into a slight upward climb, get out of your plane, you end up ontop of the plane.  Switch to fuel, refuel in midair.   Get back in and off you go.

On to Battlefield 2.  What are you going to use a jet for other than taking out other jets?  The missles don't fly too straight, unless guided (which uaually is on other jets).  The maps on bf 2 are too small for hte speed at which a jet flies.  You can't use a jet there like a jet would normally be used, IE like in flight combat sims.  It's the fastest vehicle.  I use it to get to my teammates faster, where I am best needed.  And it is suprising how many people can't figure out they are being shot at from above if you parachute onto them.  I can usually take out half a squad by doing that.  You tell me that isn't useful for the team.

Sometimes you have to think outside the box.  You may just see a tranport heli and think it's only task is to transport a bunch of people.  But now learn the physics and limitations of the game and it can become a very good tool or weapon.

But I am not going to sit in a transport heli waiting for the next spawn time to take people when more teammates are dying and I could be out there helping.  I will take that heli out to the fight as it is the fastest vehicle to get from point a to point b over longer distances.  If I take off and I noticed the spawn time happened shortly after take off I will go back and use at "as it was suppose to be used".  But any vehicle is also a tool to get where you NEED to go, not just fooling around. 

By the way, I usually do this corrdinated with others, let them know wha ti am doing and so forth.  Taking a plane and parachuting behind enemy lines is another good technique when working with a team.   You get behind enemy lines you can distract the enemy and help your teammates out.  They can take advantage of the situation. 

So it's not a matter of how you are using a vehicle, it's a matter of communicating with your teammates to let people know what you are doing or what your are going to do to help out the cause.

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until some retard comes alot, takes a buggy, and takes NOBODY with him
Depends on what that person is going to do with the buggy.  Hence why communication is so vital in team play.

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I realize its a game.. You dont use jeeps to goto a plane.. someone might of actually USED that jeep to go get a flag back
Yeah, if you aren't coordinated and don't know what others are doing.  You knew what others are doing you'd know if they needed that jeep.
Now, taking a jeep to the plane gets you to the plane quicker.  Now you can go bomb a tank that is being a pest for your teammates quicker.

It all depends on the context of what is going on.  In that above case taking the jeep to the plane is a pretty good idea if your team mates are in trouble.  And that's my point.  You don't use vehicles as you think they might be intended, you use them to get the job done.  In gaming there is no time for what ifs if you are serious about.  I mean, what if the person took the jeep to the plane instead of letting it there, think about that, both side.  Ok, someone else could have used the jeep to get the flag.  Was there someone else to do that there?  Then yeah, use the jeep for that.  Are your buddies in toruble and you need to get to them in a hurry and a plane for the situation is better, and you can use the jeep to get to the plane faster, then that person can take the plane and clear out the flag area so someone can actually get the flag?

So, you see banning someone for taking a jeep to a plane may not be means.  It depends on wha tis going on and what is needed.

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That's matter of opinion.  In your mind how it was meant to be played is different than others.  This is going to sound like something from the matrix.   You have to play within the limitations of the game, not your mind.  Your mind may see a tranport heli and think it is ONLY used for transporting players.  But you gotta go beyond that and use is as a tool for it's abilities, not what you think it is for.

you don't know if someone's actions are going ot be good or bad for you unless oyu communicate with them.

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man made jeep to get to one place to another, and occasioanly piss people off by ramming them into tanks or try to run over people.
ah yes.  Great technique.  Ram a tank with a jeep.  I do this.  but realize I only do this near a spawn point or goal.  I am not going to do this out in the middle of no where then I'd have to run forever.  Great way to get rid of tanks, ram them with a jeep and one grenade, boom.  Gone, no more tank.

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Guess someones never heard of tournys..
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It does when your trying to win.. and your team is gimped because you have smacktards jerking off with planes and doing nothing but killing themselves costing your team tickets..
If you are trying to win then play in tourneys, not public online.  Public online is for fun.  It's a game, people are playing because they have fun playing it.  if oyu are playing on a public server you aren't playing win, you playing to have fun because you like the game.  If you want to win join a clan, goto a private server and tourneys.  Also if you are trying to win you are going to play with people you trust to help you out, which means private servers and tourneys.  If you bring that mentality to public you are going to ruin it for the people that just want to have fun.

I understand if people that are trying things out get banned on private servers.  But if you made your server public you have to expect that.  It's like making your ftp server public, there's something you just have to expect...

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2005, 12:15:33 pm »
What if I drive a plane across the compound to get in a dune buggy?

Now that's a move with some flair.

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2005, 04:07:56 pm »
All of these people and only myself and Zakk and potentially Poonga have interest in a BYOAC clan....  hmm.  Strange indeed.

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2005, 04:39:28 pm »
Anyway, back to the original poster's question.

Helis are hard to fly.  You have to keep track of throttle, pitch, roll, and tail (yaw) all at the same time.  All of those require analog input if you want to keep the heli smooth.  Keyboard just isn't going to cut it.  So you need a good controller like a Saitek x45 or x52.  Many games don't give you good camera angles for helis too.  BF2 is one of them, luckily there is a free look with mouse (which can be done with the saitek x45 and x52 as there is a nub like a laptop mouse control). 
So move with a heli you have to remember your rotor is always producing an upward force along the shaft of the rotor.  So to go forward you need a forward force.  From hover you tilt the heli down (pitch forward).  while this gives you a force forward it also take away from your upward force, so you need to add thottle to make the blades spin faster.  now, coming to a stop, this is the part that confuses most people because it doesn't work like most other vehicles.  Most other vehicles you take off throttle to slow down.  Not a heli.  you need a force in the opposite direction to slow you down.  Plane just use friction and air brakes (flabs to create drag).  But on a heli you need to tilt heli up (pitch up).  And like going forward need to give some throttle to produce the forces needed.  This is where it is hard in most games as the camera usually sucks for this manuever.  The camera ends up facing in an upward angle and you can't see ground or horizon.  This is where a good controller with free look helps out the most.  Also remember as you do start counter acting the forward movement with pitch up that you slowly pitch back to level, otherwise once you stop forward movement you are still pitched and will start moving back.  It takes practice.
I plan on getting a used x45, now that I don't have a game port anymore so I can't use my old stuff.
Those manuevers are doable on keyboard but make the learning curve much steeper.

Where as a plane you can be flying around with just throttle, roll and pitch.  Rudder just gives you more manuevers.  Yaw is controlled with rudder but it doesn't produce yaw movement like a heli.  All it allows you to really do is make a slightly shaper turn or fine tune alignment on a bombing run as you don't want to roll once you are heading in the right direction.  That will cause to bomb to not fall straight foward where you are aiming (dang laws of physics).

Of course, in a game air physics are generally dumbed down to make it easier for people to fly.  A real sim is alot harder than bf2 :)  Like in bf2 it seems you can go faster and not produce more lift in a jet.  Granted sinc modern jets are computer controlled it would "act" like that in real life.  Though the faster you go the more lift you get.  The computer off sets that as needed.  Also the maps in bf2 are small for a jet.  You get out of bounds quite easily.  That makes it hard compared to a flight sim as you don't have that much time to line things up.

I'm finding it funny people think helis are harder to fly in bf2 than in desert combat.  To me helis in bf2 are more realistic in controls and how they react.  IE I could pick up my r/c controller and fly the heli in bf2 like an r/c heli but in desert combat it is not life like.  But then, if you never flown anything that simulates a heli more realistically then maybe desert combat does seem natural.

Does BF or BF2 have fuel like Codename Eagle did?  I don't recall ever running out of fuel in bf1942 or bf2.

FYI, if you don't know I believe the makers of Codename Eagle went on to make BF1942.  I might be wrong there but I believe that is how it went down.  Codename Eagle is an odd game.  It is a little buggy, hence why it didn't become very popular.  But it was one of the first FPS type games that allowed players to get in vehicles.  It might have been the first to allow more than one.  But with how buggy it cluld be it didn't catch on, and the fact it had some exaggerated phsics.  Personally I think it was one of the best games from the late 90s.  Vehicles could run out of fuel and you had to refuel them.

There's two situations in BF where I parachute out of a plane or heli to get where I need to go.  First is to get a jump on the enemy right away.  Neat little trick with BF1942 in some maps.  Have some team members not spawn in right away.  Take the plane as it is the fastest and fly out to a neutral point right away.  Capture the point and have the teammates spawn in at that control point.  Granted that's a co-op trick, not a conquer.  But I find co-op more fun as it is cool to have all that action going on with a bunch of people running around.
The other situation is when I am out of resources, like ammo or fuel.  Might as well try and kamakasi the plane into an enemy tank and chute out before it hits.  It's generally faster to let the plane respawn then try and land it and reload.

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2005, 05:05:11 pm »
All of these people and only myself and Zakk and potentially Poonga have interest in a BYOAC clan....  hmm.  Strange indeed.
Well, I'd be interesting to play along.  I use to play to win when I was in college.  Entered many tourneys with decent results (built a computer out of the winnings from several).  Now I play just to have fun.  It's a game.  To me clans are more interested in winning.  As long as you guys weren't so strict as it sounds like we'd get along.

FYI, if someone does want me to play along I am defensive in nature.  I usually pick either the heavy assault to protect or sniper to protect depending on the situation.  Maybe an engineer type that lays mines when needed.  Or I am the flyboy as I LOVE planes :)  I am so happy to live next to a major EAA airport now  ;D  Like I said earlier, one of my favorite moves is to be a sniper and take a plane or heli to get my on top of a building.  Unless someone else wants to drop me off of course...

It'll probably be 2 to 3 months before I can afford to buy BF2 though :(

Thinking about it.  You know how SOAPBoy doesn't like people taking a jeep to a plane.  I know a situation where that is good.  I do it all the time when I play with one of my friends, I just don't think about it as i am use to playing with him.  He doesn't like flying at all.  So he gets pissed when he ends up spawned near the planes and has to run to a vehicle.  Wasted time and all.  Since I prefer flying I will take a jeep to the plane just so a jeep is near there for him.  So, you see, it really depends on the situation, communication between teammates and knowing your teammate's preferences.

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2005, 05:51:27 pm »
I don't think soapy would work in our unit well.
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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2005, 06:10:35 pm »
Heh.

I have a mic and use a surround sound headphone when I play games :)

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2005, 10:56:30 pm »
However, I have this mental image of us as the platoon from 'stripes'. ;D

I can't agree more.  I think that is what will make it fun though.  I play to win, but have a good time regardless.

As far as voice services go, BF2 has it built in.  So no need to use precious bandwidth with other services.

I've always enjoyed being dropped into a battleground and even more so with the Special forces units in BF2.  I love the C4 charges.  Great weapons.


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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2005, 11:21:24 pm »
SirPoonga... I was wondering after reading your posts, if you were ever going to come up for air!   ;D

The game is like painball.. some just take it more serious than others...

anything else we can talk about other than how we use vehicles?
(or TKers?)
...so I will ask you... "Deal, or No Deal?"

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Re: BattleField 2
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2005, 11:41:09 pm »
Heh :)