Author Topic: I'm in over my head-HELP! (Read 7810 times)

Blacksmith · « **on:** June 21, 2005, 10:08:09 pm »

Last summer, after finishing up my mame machine with new computer and brand new wgd9200 monitor$$ I was happy. My brother came over and raved about how great it was and how much he wanted one. We started brainstorming and decided that we could build him one at a considerably cheaper cost using an old arcade cab(nba jam) , used monitor, and my old pc. Worked hard on it for a while last year, then got side tracked. Just finished up the pc this weekend and put it in the cab. Keep in mind that my mame was stick built from scratch and is not jamma and the monitor is virtually an oversized pc monitor that is just plug and play. I have no experience with arcade monitors or the whole jamma deal. Needless to say, it ain't working! When I power up the game the monitor rolls terribly. I can adjust it to where it almost stops completely, but the key word is almost. Anyway, the screen is somewhat bright with small horizontal white lines going through it (very annoying). The computer gets me to the desktop screen briefly then the screen goes out and becomes grey with the white horizontal lines. I believe the wires are all correct, as I have traced them from the jamma harness to the monitor. I feel screwed. Is there anybody out there in the Cleveland, Ohio area that is a mame/monitor guru that can make a house call. I thought I could finish this thing up for my brother's 50th birthday bash this weekend, but I think I'll be going to walmart and buying one of those $20 atari joystick/tv games!

BarontheFirst · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2005, 11:22:04 pm »

Well I am not in the area for a house call but I recall an event that happend to me about 2 years ago with something that sounds like that problem. Basically it was a resolution problem. All I had to do was hook my pc up to a better monitor get into windows and adjust the resolution down. After that I hooked the old display back up and problem was gone. You may want to take the resolution down slowley till you find what works. I hope this helps you out. Good Luck!

AlanS17 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2005, 12:57:42 am »

Exactly HOW much does it slow down? Does it slow down enough to read everything on the screen?

What method are you using to hook the PC to the monitor?

Blacksmith · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2005, 02:22:01 am »

adjusted the resolution down to 800 x 600. I believe thats as low as it goes. The monitor wiring is connected to a jamma connection and that connects to a j-pac. I sort of got talked into building this cab with the whole arcade monitor and jamma/j-pac setup. My first cab was scratch built with the wells gardner D9200 monitor that plugs right into the pc. No muss/no fuss! I have no skill or working knowledge of arcade monitors to really be of use. This was a mistake. Anyway, adjusting the resolution down didn't help. And I had to connect the pc to my desktop to do it. The screen rolling slows down to a fast crawl, but doesn't stop. By the time it gets to the desktop, the screen goes blank/grey with the white horizontal lines. Good news is that for the brief period that I see windows xp loading, its in color, although very washed out looking.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2005, 02:23:55 am »

What type of video card do you have?

Blacksmith · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2005, 02:25:16 am »

the ultimarc vga card

AlanS17 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2005, 02:58:39 am »

You mean the ArcadeVGA?

Do you have the drivers properly installed?

dabone · « **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2005, 07:55:59 am »

Setup your display to 640x480.

The 9200 will do multiple refresh rates but standard monitors have only 1. (60Hz is the best to set everything up as)

Also, you CANNOT run the trisync util with a standard monitor.

And third. The arcade vga should be wired to the monitor like this.

VGA Monitor
1 RED
2 GREEN
3 BLUE
5 GROUND
13 HSYNC
14 VSYNC

Or if you monitor only supports composite sync just connect 13 and 14 together and connect to the sync pin.

Good luck.

Later,
dabone

Blacksmith · « **Reply #8 on:** June 22, 2005, 10:55:57 am »

I'm a little slow on the uptake...No the drivers were not installed. So are you saying disconnect the ARCADE monitor from the pc and connect my regular pc monitor back up to it and install the drivers? Regarding the wires to the monitor, do I just follow them back to the j-pac where the jamma harness/monitor wires are connected?

AlanS17 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 22, 2005, 12:42:17 pm »

Yeah, get those drivers installed.

As for the wiring, if you're using a J-PAC then you don't have to worry about which wires are leading in. You're not using a VGA break-out cable. Assuming this is the same monitor that was in there previously when a regular game was actually working, the monitor should be wired correctly. I'm not saying it is, but it should be.

Get those drivers installed first, though. If you're still having problems we can work from there.

Blacksmith · « **Reply #10 on:** June 22, 2005, 10:36:54 pm »

didn't get a chance to do it today, but will attempt it in the morning and I'll let you know. Thanks for the info.

Blacksmith · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2005, 11:09:51 pm »

Alan,
so I bring my mame pc upstairs and hook it up to my extra pc monitor so I can install the vga drivers like we discussed, but all I get is a little box on the screen that says out of frequency 15mhz/59mhz or something like that. So I decide to throw the mame pc into my original mame cabinet to see if I can load the drivers from the WG9200 monitor. The pc starts to boot up, I get to the desktop screen and just get ready to pop in the ultimarc vga driver cd-rom and the screen goes black and doesn't come back. I tried this multiple times and the screen goes black every time when I get to desktop screen. Anyone want a mint looking mame machine cheap? What am I doing wrong, cuz I don't think I'm doing anything right.

richms · « **Reply #12 on:** June 24, 2005, 02:35:12 am »

If you waited on the real monitor it should have come up once you were in windows with the desktop.

you really need to have both monitors in the same place so you can swap them as needed. Bootup will be in 15kHz on the aracde card, till windows loads, then it takes over from the bios and forces it to whatever x/svga mode is selected. When that happens, plug in the normal monitor, do the install of the driver, and then when it goes back to out of range, swap back to the arcade monitor.

the alternative is to remote desktop into the computer to install the drivers, but you wil

AlanS17 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:56:09 am »

When I installed my video card, I actually used 2 cards and 2 monitors. I had my cheapo video card hooked up to a pc monitor and the card for the arcade machine hooked up to the j-pac. That way I could see what I was doing while I was configuring. When I was all done, I pulled the PC monitor's video card out of the machine and it just continued to default to the arcade monitor. TADA!

Blacksmith · « **Reply #14 on:** June 24, 2005, 03:55:31 pm »

boy, I didn't follow that at all? slow down, I'm stupid.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 24, 2005, 05:29:29 pm »

Ok, any version of Windows since Windows 98 supports multiple monitors with multiple video cards. So I installed 2 video cards - one for a PC and one for the arcade machine. The arcade machine's video card was primary, and the PC's was secondary. That way I could play with the arcade monitor and video setup all day and still be able to see something because the display on the PC monitor is independent and working. So I could use programs showing on the PC monitor to set up the arcade monitor.

Then when I was done, I shut down the computer and pulled out the video card for the PC monitor. With only one card and monitor left, the computer started up and defaulted to the only remaining monitor - the one in the arcade machine. It kept the settings I had given it when I had previously adjusted it.

This was done using a non-ArcadeVGA card, but it worked quite well. I can't imagine why I wouldn't work for you.

Blacksmith · « **Reply #16 on:** June 24, 2005, 08:23:01 pm »

ok, thats my weekend project. I'll let you know. By the way, I don't know where you are located, but you could have been here by now!

Blacksmith · « **Reply #17 on:** June 26, 2005, 08:41:47 pm »

The saga continues! This is where I'm at...I have my original pc video card in my mame pc. I put in the ultimarc vga driver disc to install the video drivers. I click on the Install ArcadeVGA Windows XP Drivers and it immediately takes me to the Install Shield Wizard to start loading the Drivers and then I get a message immediately thereafter saying "Set up failed to run installation: (0x80040703)

I'm about done with this boat anchor! HELP before I go postal! (no offense to any postal workers viewing this message.)

AlanS17 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 27, 2005, 04:59:22 pm »

Try pulling the video card out and installing the drivers. Then put the card back in.

Blacksmith · « **Reply #19 on:** June 27, 2005, 09:36:43 pm »

If I pull the video card out I have nothing to plug the monitor in to so how can I see what I'm doing???

AlanS17 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 27, 2005, 11:08:57 pm »

Your motherboard doesn't have onboard video? You don't have a spare cheapo card lying around?

IntruderAlert · « **Reply #21 on:** June 28, 2005, 03:39:14 am »

I think he's already done that Alan:

Quote from: Blacksmith on June 26, 2005, 08:41:47 pm

The saga continues! This is where I'm at...I have my original pc video card in my mame pc. I put in the ultimarc vga driver disc to install the video drivers. I click on the Install ArcadeVGA Windows XP Drivers and it immediately takes me to the Install Shield Wizard to start loading the Drivers and then I get a message immediately thereafter saying "Set up failed to run installation: (0x80040703)

I'm about done with this boat anchor! HELP before I go postal! (no offense to any postal workers viewing this message.)

AlanS17 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 28, 2005, 08:47:21 am »

Oh I'm blind. Hmmm...

tristan · « **Reply #23 on:** June 28, 2005, 08:56:44 am »

I get the impression that he hasn't tried both video cards at once (maybe they are both AGP?).

The ArcadeVGA card only outputs at 15kHz. The other card defaults to SVGA (30, 31 whatever, it's way too early). You would need a PCI video card (or an onboard one) to boot to windows (with the ArcadeVGA in the computer, but it doesn't need to be plugged into a monitor).

Blacksmith · « **Reply #24 on:** June 28, 2005, 10:00:03 am »

No, I don't have a video card on the mother board and just one agp slot. Now what?

IntruderAlert · « **Reply #25 on:** June 28, 2005, 10:06:56 am »

Here are the official instructions:

Quote

Windows XP, 2000 and 98.

Install the card into the AGP slot. The card must be installed and connected to an arcade monitor to install the drivers.
If your PC has previously had any ATI card installed, you will need to remove the existing ATI drivers. Do this by downloading and running this utility:
Start (or restart) Windows. The Windows screen should be displayed at 640 X 480 interlaced, 16 colours. To use the ArcadeVGA built-in modes the ATI driver needs installing. Insert the Ultimarc CD. Run the driver Setup program in the correct folder (98 or XP or 2K). Reboot as prompted. Windows may ask if you want to replace newer files with old. You MUST choose to replace all the files. After re-boot, install the ATI control panel by running Setup in the "Cpanel" folder on the CD.
Right-click on the desktop, select "properties" and set the colour depth to "32 bit colour".
Blue Screens in XP/2000 Windows XP may try to invoke the built-in Microsoft ATI driver and this will not work with the ArcadeVGA card, and causes a blue-screen error. If you see this, simply re-start and hold down "F8" and choose to start in Safe Mode, then install the ATI driver from the ArcadeVGA CD and re-boot.

http://www.ultimarc.com/avgainst.html

you might try booting into safe mode first to change your resolution to 640x480 or less and remove your old drivers

Blacksmith · « **Reply #26 on:** June 29, 2005, 12:18:20 am »

I have literally had it with this whole system! Today my nephew (computer wizard) and I spent HOURS on this thing and I'm no further ahead then before. I decided to try and make it easy on myself and put this new mame pc into my old mame cab that has the WGD9200 monitor in it. I put the vga card into the agp slot and connect the monitor to it. System boots up and I've got a picture on the monitor, but the resolution looks kind of funky. I believe its 600 x 480 with 16 colors. I know that I have to install the drivers now so we try it about 100 times with no luck. I end up with error messages and such. We try it from safe mode and still no luck. For whatever reason we can't get the pc to accept the drivers for this card. WTF?? The newest problem is when I went to Ultimarc's site for instructions they prompted me to download a program that wipes out your old video card drivers so I did that. Now when I try to load the new drivers I get a small window that comes up and says "Direct X8 is not installed. Please install it before installing the display driver." I can't find Direct X8 on the net, only X9 and this program is calling for X8. I'm so f---d! I hate mame!

dabone · « **Reply #27 on:** June 29, 2005, 12:26:03 am »

Go ahead and install directx9.

The video driver problem can be a pain in the ass, but it can be solved.

I've also had luck pressing f8 while booting, selecting vga mode and then installing the drivers.

Later,
dabone

Blacksmith · « **Reply #28 on:** June 29, 2005, 12:52:27 am »

dabone...more like da-MAN! Thanks. That must have been the missing link. Finally got the drivers loaded and the WGD9200 looks as it should. Next question is this: should I now install the ATI control panel and adjust the colour depth to "32 bit colour" as suggested in Ultimarc's intruction page on their site? Also, keep in mind that this particular pc was initially and still is slated to go into another mame cab which has a conventional arcade monitor in it not the WGD9200 that its working with now. Should it be good to go in it after I finish configuring it on the 9200? Thanks again.
Rich

Blacksmith · « **Reply #29 on:** June 29, 2005, 02:29:30 pm »

OK monitor guru's, now that I have the pc vga card drivers installed and the mame pc seems to be working correctly on my WGd9200 monitor its time to install it on the arcade monitor and see what happens. First of all I will tell you that the monitor is a USED Wells Gardner model 25K7193. I was told that it is in great working shape and I took the guy's word for it as I had nothing to test it on. So this will be the true test. Before I hook it up, I want to slow down and make sure that things are wired correctly. Currently the monitor's chasis has a 9 pin connector on it and the pins are labled in this order: 1st pin "-H Sync," 2nd pin "-V Sync," 3rd pin "Ground," 4th pin "+H Sync," 5th pin "+V Sync," 6th pin "Ground," 7th pin "Blue," 8th pin "Green," 9th pin "Red."
The wires connected to the pins are as follows: "-H Sync," "Ground," "Blue," "Green," and "Red."
All of these wires go back to the jamma harness and are connected to my j-pac.
I would like to know if I need to add or delete any additional wires before connection of the mame pc?
Thanks. Rich

AlanS17 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 29, 2005, 03:08:14 pm »

Try it as it is. If you get vertical rolling you'll have to get the vsync hooked up. But try it first as it is.

Blacksmith · « **Reply #31 on:** June 29, 2005, 09:10:49 pm »

Hey Alan, I'm getting a picture on the arcade monitor FINALLY! Thanks to everyone so far. How do I attach pictures of the current screen so you can see whats happening with it? I need step by step instructions to upload these to this site.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 29, 2005, 10:28:05 pm »

When you write a message, there's an option below it called "Additional Options..."

Just lcick that and it'll open up a spot for you to opload a picture. It accepts any popular web format, but it doesn't like BMP's.

Blacksmith · « **Reply #33 on:** June 29, 2005, 10:37:42 pm »

tried to attach some pics, but it says its unable because they are too big. Can you give me your email and I'll send them that way?

AlanS17 · « **Reply #34 on:** June 29, 2005, 10:43:43 pm »

Sounds like you're taking them in too high of a resolution. Is there any way you can describe it? I don't know if I can handle a file that large, either.

Blacksmith · « **Reply #35 on:** June 29, 2005, 10:55:17 pm »

here is one pic that shows what the monitor is doing at the moment. Notice the white lines going from left to right and the picture tends to roll alot and is hard to stop. also kind of bright.

Blacksmith · « **Reply #36 on:** June 29, 2005, 10:58:42 pm »

I still am wondering if the wires are correct from my earliar posting and if the -vertical sync needs to be hooked up. also, is a new capacitor kit needed?

SirPeale · « **Reply #37 on:** June 30, 2005, 12:24:03 am »

Turn the screen control down. It's found on the flyback.

Then try your horizonal hold.

Blacksmith · « **Reply #38 on:** June 30, 2005, 08:51:57 pm »

I turned down the screen control and it made the picture a little better, but I still have the white horizontal lines and the screen rolls. Still wondering about if the wiring is correct and should I add or delete or change anything and what about a cap kit?

AlanS17 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 01, 2005, 10:35:53 am »

Did this monitor come with the arcade machine it's in now? Had it been previously wired for use in this machine?


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