Woman Tassered

[Dartful Dodger]

Anybody who posts a reply that can't fit in a 800x600 monitor with normal sized text should be tasered.

In the nuts.

[monkeybomb]

In the nuts.

Dude that's harsh....just the right one.

[DrewKaree]

What? Doesn't Glenn Beck have a link about it somewhere for you to parrot?

I'll look, and if he does, I'll certainly pass it along to you.  Glad to see you're starting to look for his opinion on issues too, it's a refreshing bit of sense I see you starting to adopt!

So where's the proof? Link? Are we supposed to just take your word now? I've taken the time to actually email contacts for stories I've put forth (just ask ChadTower), the least you could do (unless you're feigning outrage again) is provide a link backing up your claim.

My claim is a negative.  There was no abuse.  You are the one claiming abuse.  The burden of proof showing abuse by the cops lies with you.  Again, I say - NEXT!

I'm quite sure you can fool many with trying to make the burden of proof that there was no abuse by the cops my responsibility.  The statement was, and still is - DD's post never said a word about abuse.

The challenge still lies with you.  POINT TO WHERE DD SAID THE COPS ABUSED THE TASER!

Are you purposefully being ignorant, or can't figure out how to get on the winning side?  Demonstrate where DD said there was taser abuse by the cops.  Find your news story where it states the cops abused the use of tasers in the story.  I'll even help you out.  Try entering several key words into Google - the stories litter page after page.  Try these terms, shamelessly stolen from DD's post - "taser""Chicago""death" - I even put them into quotes for you so you can cut and paste.

The charge of abuse is agreed to by you, therefore the burden to demonstrate the words in DD's post or reports lie with you.  I know you're used to just throwing out baseless claims - as you did yet again with your reply to my specific points refuting your argument - but the correct point has been made by me, and your baseless charges need to be backed up with proof, unless it's just another example of you needing fix-a-flat to stop the hot air from escaping. 

Either delete all your posts agreeing with the abuse assessment, or try to follow the debate process and back up your charges.  People can read DD's post, read my factual dissection of it re: charges of abuse, and agree that I'm right, or look for information that abuse DID happen.  Telling me it's my responsibility to prove they DIDN'T abuse the tasers is simply ignorance of the presentation I made.

Go sell crazy somewhere else.  We're all stocked up here.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Anybody who posts a reply that can't fit in a 800x600 monitor with normal sized text should be tasered.

In the nuts.

Anyone that still has a monitor set at 800x600, should be tasered. In the nuts.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Go sell crazy somewhere else.

[DrewKaree]

Show us the news reports or DD's words speaking of abuse, which is what was being "ridiculed". 

It's the only reason you have an issue with me, because it is the basis for said "ridicule".  I made a correct point.  You've countered with the "inference" gambit.

NEXT!


(this could go on all weekend I may have to pause for stretches to clear my head of the senseless babble you're spouting....heading to the auction may just do it)

Have I said it yet?

NEXT!

[Jabba]

Up here in Canaeda we don't use dem dare tasers, we open the back door and let the beaver out.....Yikes, run away, run away, its the scary beaver, aaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!

Stops em dead every time 

[ChadTower]

Anyone that still has a monitor set at 800x600, should be tasered. In the nuts.   

There are many laptops still out there that can't do more than that.  It is still the standard for web design.  It is a reasonable resolution.

[Zakk]

:whew: had to do a lot of scrolling on that last post, it was longer than the video!!


My $.02

[danny_galaga]

i dunno why shes complaining. its america, the option would have been to be shot 

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I've had this taser video on my HD for a while now...certainly goes a long way to showing how much one of these damn things actually hurts....plus it's pretty hilarious to watch.

http://www.finkmedia.com/vault/Taser_Volunteers.mpeg (Video)

[danny_galaga]

I've had this taser video on my HD for a while now...certainly goes a long way to showing how much one of these damn things actually hurts....plus it's pretty hilarious to watch.

http://www.finkmedia.com/vault/Taser_Volunteers.mpeg (Video)

hey, has the guy in your avatar been tasered? if so, maybe id rather be shot 

[Tailgunner]

Geez guys, get a room already.


As to the video, the only thing I think the cop should've done differently was inform her she was under arrest for driving on a suspended license when he came back to the vehicle. There's a chance she might have complied without being tasered had she known she was being arrested.

[JB]

Show us the news reports or DD's words speaking of abuse, which is what was being "ridiculed". 

Actually, I believe I originally said it was abuse.

Which was admittedly not an appropriate use of the word, as no actual abuse took place.
I was struck by the idiocy of the law, and spoke unduly harshly.

[ChadTower]

As to the video, the only thing I think the cop should've done differently was inform her she was under arrest for driving on a suspended license when he came back to the vehicle. There's a chance she might have complied without being tasered had she known she was being arrested.

He DID inform her, to the point that she yelled it into the phone.  Watch it again.

[Zakk]

If the guy on the other end of the phone had any sense he was screaming "put the damn phone down and get the ___ out of the car!"

[Tailgunner]

He DID inform her, to the point that she yelled it into the phone.  Watch it again.

Watched it several times to make sure, and my original comment still stands.

Watching the timecodes at the upper right:

Officer approaches the vehicle after learning her license is suspended.  7:54:52

Officer removes handcuffs and opens car door. 7:55:06

Officer tasers suspect. 7:55:28

Suspect communicates her predicament to every dog in the neighborhood. 7:55:30 through 7:59:10

Officer informs suspect why she's being arrested. 7:59:32


I find it insteresting if you listen to the training sargent's commentary of the arrest segment,  he says the officer told her why she's being arrested when he first pulled out the cuffs. I think the video indicates otherwise. 

[Zakk]

Hmm, I watched it again :snicker: and I do think you're technically right, he did not say "I AM ARRESTING YOU", however, the woman had no doubt in her mind what was up.  She's yelling "they're arresting me, they're tying to arrest me", so it's not like she was completely in the dark about what was going on, I think she was just a difficult person, and doesn't like being told what to do, especially by the pole-eece.

However, you were right about the time stamp, and perhaps he should have stated that she was under arrest.  I've been arrested before, but each time I was too drunk to remember 'when' they told me I was under arrest, but I was completely aware that I was being arrested, let me tell you (even when I was 4 times over the legal limit!)

[Tailgunner]

I agree, she even told the person on the phone "He's arresting me!"

Part of the problem as I see it is she thinks it's for speeding/no seatbelt/cracked windshield/busted taillight and is a bogus arrest since she's under the assumption he can't legally use a radar gun while driving. 


Driving on a suspended license is an guaranteed ride in a police car, and she changed her tune rather quickly when he told her why she was being arrested. I just think she might have done so without being tasered had he said so up front.

That said, I do think her 'tude earned her a tasering on general principal.

[DrewKaree]

I agree, she even told the person on the phone "He's arresting me!"

Part of the problem as I see it is she thinks it's for speeding/no seatbelt/cracked windshield/busted taillight and is a bogus arrest since she's under the assumption he can't legally use a radar gun while driving. 

Driving on a suspended license is an guaranteed ride in a police car, and she changed her tune rather quickly when he told her why she was being arrested. I just think she might have done so without being tasered had he said so up front.

Do you believe she somehow didn't know her license was suspended?  I've had mine suspended twice, and in both cases, not only was ample warning given to me PRIOR to the court case that would result in my suspension, but the suspensions triggered such a flurry of paperwork that you'd have to be a blind fool not to realize it was coming or had happened.

I'm guessing she was fully aware of the fact her license was suspended before Ossifer Frenly was, and has no respect for authoritah!  Cartman woulda wacked her too.

[missioncontrol]

Eh............

She deserved it...........

Respect the authoritah............

[Tailgunner]

Do you believe she somehow didn't know her license was suspended?  I've had mine suspended twice, and in both cases, not only was ample warning given to me PRIOR to the court case that would result in my suspension, but the suspensions triggered such a flurry of paperwork that you'd have to be a blind fool not to realize it was coming or had happened.

I'm guessing she was fully aware of the fact her license was suspended before Ossifer Frenly was, and has no respect for authoritah!  Cartman woulda wacked her too.

She knew it, but she didn't know he knew it. Otherwise she'd have admitted as such when he asked for it when he first pulled her over.

On a side note, I had mine suspended in the mid 80's. My job at the time required me to travel all over the county fixing the mistakes our company's installers had made. My boss hired a driver/helper for me, who  turned out to have a suspended license as well. We found this out after getting stopped, I admitted my license was suspended while my driver didn't. He got to spend the night in jail, where the officer told me the system had no record of my license being suspended.

[AlanS17]

Is puke a conductor?

You better believe it!

And IMO she got what she deserved.

[missioncontrol]

Slideshow of 74 year old man getting tasered:


http://www.local10.com/slideshowarchive/index.html

(link half way down)

[dek]

I'd love to see the video of that. You try and pick a fight with the police, 99.9% of the time you are going to lose.

[btoddkelley]

There was absolutely no reason to use that level of force. It TRAFFIC fo gods sake. If he had stopped a felon I could completely support his use of force when the suspect failed to comply. I
      am as conservative as you can get when it comes to the law (In fact i would like to be the guy that flips the swich on capital cases!) but i believe the current traffic system is nothing more than a revenue system that abuses the public. Ploicy makers recognise they can use the police to enforce laws that raise revenue, rather than actually reducing crime.
     Then a cop with an attitude comes along and doesn't like it when someone doesn't jump instantly at his command so he tasers them. The classic little ---tallywhacker--- who got beat up when he was a kid. He should be tasered then fired.

Todd

[Zakk]

http://www.local10.com/slideshowarchive/index.html

Todd, go to that link and watch the slideshow of "drunk driver jumps curb and runs down man in front yard"  before you make any claims about how unimportant traffic duty is.

[btoddkelley]

I am not talking about drunk driving. (which is not an infraction) i am talking about general traffic laws.(infractions) Actually, i would be ok with the enforcement of traffic laws as long as the money went anywhere but to government. American hart asscoiation, Cancer society, take you pick.
When traffic laws can be used to subsidise the tax base, it create bad incentives.

Todd

[Zakk]

I got 30 days in jail for driving under suspension, plus add 2 years license suspension and $1000 fine.  Seems like it's a pretty serious offence.  You have to also agree that since her license was revoked, it was done so for a reason.  The courts were trying to say that she should not have been on the road.  Failure to comply with such a court order is contempt.  She wasn't a victim in all of this by any stretch.

As for giving the money to charity, who decides what charity is most needy?  I don't think that you have put too much thought into this line of reasoning

[danny_galaga]

Part of the problem as I see it is she thinks it's for speeding/no seatbelt/cracked windshield/busted taillight and is a bogus arrest since she's under the assumption he can't legally use a radar gun while driving.

[Tailgunner]

Part of the problem as I see it is she thinks it's for speeding/no seatbelt/cracked windshield/busted taillight and is a bogus arrest since she's under the assumption he can't legally use a radar gun while driving. 

is this true? in australia they have radar-mounted cars and they certainly CAN book you while they are driving. they can clock you standing still, following you OR heading towards you. i was pretty sure they use american equipment...

They can here as well. She however claimed he couldn't when he first told her why he had pulled her over.

[btoddkelley]

I got 30 days in jail for driving under suspension, plus add 2 years license suspension and $1000 fine.

[HaRuMaN]

They should have tasered her still she stopped all that ---smurfing--- moaning, lol.

[jbox]

Study after study shows that is safer to drive 10 miles over the speed limit than the speed limit. (check to DOT data)

My understanding of physics, minute amount of common sense, and personal driving experiences would suggest otherwise. 

Could you please provide a link to these studies you have read, since I am afraid I find it difficult to believe this is true but for very specific circumstances (ie. 2am on a freeway)? 

[Shape D.]

Bottom line for me (from the PB Post)

this is a way better quote:

Eighty-seven women of child-bearing years were shocked, including three women who, after being shocked, said they were pregnant.

Those are mighty naughty tasers, getting women pregnant and whatnot.

[hyiu]

I have to say.... that woman DESERVES to be tasered....
She WANTED a scene right from the very beginning....

if she closed the car door, sit there, and hands on the steering wheel, and not b!tching about the officier, she would have just got ticket(s)....
be ploite and ask for a chance and maybe if she's lucky, she could get off with just got a warning.... (ok... I think she'll get 1 ticket.... but not tickets...)

generally, I think if you're within 10 mph of speed limit....
cops would not pull you over.... but if you're over... too bad....

[DrewKaree]

i am not saying officers should not stop people who are driving unsafely. it might suprise you to learn that if safety was the real reason for traffic laws then officers would ticket everyone who DRIVES the SPEED LIMIT. Study after study shows that is safer to drive 10 miles over the speed limit than the speed limit. (check to DOT data)

How would you define "driving unsafely"?  My definition includes someone who, knowing their priveledge to operate a motor vehicle has been suspended, decides to violate yet another law - effectively telling the officer pulling her over that she feels certain laws don't apply to her, perhaps giving him reason to think that she may feel she doesn't have to listen to him, causing the need for force to be used in order to gain control of the situation.

Maybe your definition of "driving unsafely" is different, but the entire time my license was suspended (both times), I was a bicycle-riding, bus-taking law-following member of society because I effed up royally, and had a fear of being taken to jail if I ever got caught thinking the laws pertaining to the priveledge of driving a motor vehicle didn't apply to me.

The chicken-egg thing you're speaking of doesn't apply to someone who willfully violates yet another motor vehicle law, and in essence, you're telling us all that it's alright to drive with a suspended license.  What if her license WAS suspended for a DUI/OUI/Whatever-your-state-calls-it-UI?  Does your stance still apply? 

I've got to go with Zakk on this one - you seem to have jumped in the boat without checking to see if there were oars in it first!



Hey, is there a setting on the tasers, because when Peale tasered the little woman, he musta had it set a bit high, it done turned all the young 'uns hair red!

[danny_galaga]

The chicken-egg thing you're speaking of

 

mmmm, tassered chicken eggs (",). time for lunch!

[danny_galaga]

Study after study shows that is safer to drive 10 miles over the speed limit than the speed limit. (check to DOT data)

My understanding of physics, minute amount of common sense, and personal driving experiences would suggest otherwise.

[danny_galaga]

Study after study shows that is safer to drive 10 miles over the speed limit than the speed limit. (check to DOT data)

My understanding of physics, minute amount of common sense, and personal driving experiences would suggest otherwise.