Waiting periods before exercising your First Amendment rights

[Dartful Dodger]

WAITING PERIODS

This is an interesting look at our First and Second Amendment rights.
The scary thing about it is "speech control" makes as much sense as "gun control", so people would probably freely give up their First Amendment rights too.

[shmokes]

Why not background checks?

[Shape D.]

Responsible authors are supposed to check into the facts on their stories anyways.  and responsible editors are supposed to whip out a bs meter and investigate hot stories that seem strange.

[missioncontrol]

Freedom of speech stops when it could harm others....

for example yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre

[Crazy Cooter]

The Government is telling the press to check facts about Iraq.

Ironic isn't it?

Employing some kind of waiting period or FBI check is total BS.

WAITING PERIODS
... so people would probably freely give up their First Amendment rights too.

Sadly, I agree.

[screaming]

Ironic isn't it?

  1984, here we come! Speakwrite mic in one hand and the other a tight fist while we march down the street chanting "INGSOC" in complete unison.

  Ever read A Wrinkle in Time when you were a kid?

-sab

[btoddkelley]

I do not believe the author is truly advocating "waiting periods" on stories. He is pointing out that that speech can be as deadly as guns but we have no waiting periods on speech.

Todd

[shmokes]

Weak Analogy: When the conclusion of an argument depends upon a comparison between two (or more) things that are not similar in relevant respects, the fallacy of weak analogy is committed. This fallacy generally follows the pattern:

1. A has characteristics w, x, y, and z.

2. B has characteristics w, x, and y.

3. Therefore, B probably has characteristic z, too.

4. But characteristics w, x, and y are not relevant to z or,

5. A and B have differences relevant to z which are ignored by the arguer.

[paigeoliver]

I do not believe the author is truly advocating "waiting periods" on stories. He is pointing out that that speech can be as deadly as guns but we have no waiting periods on speech.

Todd

That article is in no way, shape or form advocating "waiting periods" on free speech, it is instead trying to draw a parallel to an unrelated issue in an attempt to promote that agenda.

[shmokes]

And the parallel it is attempting to draw is absurd.

[DrewKaree]

Is this about my ability, or dis-ability, to throw bullets again?

Hey, if I can't throw them fast enough or hard enough, can I then get disabled plates based on said dis-ability?

Off to search the internet.  I want closer parking, dammit.

I smell pancakes.......and rabbits.  What's up with that?

[btoddkelley]

The analogy is not weak if ones focus is outcomes. ie. Both speech and guns can cause death when used recklessly. Therefor eany waiting period that is used for a "cooling off period"to preserve life should be just as effective for both constitutional rights.
    The anology is week when one considers that speech only be used to create "random acts" of violence. (you cant aim it!) where a gun can be used for "specific"  as well as random acts.
However you feel about the gun argument, one has to admit that the press needs more accountability.

Todd 

[Crazy Cooter]

...one has to admit that the press needs more accountability.

But for the Government to be saying it...

Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

[jbox]

However you feel about the gun argument, one has to admit that the press needs more accountability.

You mean like this right:

(I prefer our monopoly money - it's purtier!)

If I understand correctly, the press doesn't "need" government oversight since concerned citizens can stop buying the paper tomorrow. The government "needs" oversight because it takes more than one phone call to either change the government or leave the country. *shrug* (Drew: got any "shrug" iconets?)

[paigeoliver]

Nope, the analogy is absurd.

Food can also cause death if used recklessly. Should there be a waiting period before buying food?

How about cars?

[Dartful Dodger]

Nope, the analogy is absurd.

Food can also cause death if used recklessly. Should there be a waiting period before buying food?

How about cars?

That's the point of the article; a waiting period for resposible people is absurd.

[paigeoliver]

Nope, the analogy is absurd.

Food can also cause death if used recklessly. Should there be a waiting period before buying food?

How about cars?

That's the point of the article; a waiting period for resposible people is absurd.

If they are so responsible then why in the world are they bothered by a waiting period? Responsible people certainly don't impulse purchase WEAPONS.

I have no strong opinion about gun control one way or the other, but I find the desparate reaching done in many pro-gun arguements to be rediculous. If anything I probably lean more towards their side of the issue, but their arguements are usually absurd.

Really.
"Newsweek printed a false story that caused people to get killed" = "No waiting period on weapons". That is completely absurd.

[Dartful Dodger]

If they are so responsible then why in the world are they bothered by a waiting period?

The same reason you are bothered by a waiting period for buying food or a car.

I bought my gun on a Saturday.  I had to wait 5 days then drive back to pick it up.  During the five days they weren't doing a back ground check on me, they were just holding the gun.  It was a waste of my time to have to go back to pick it up.

[shmokes]

Grasping at straws makes baby Jesus cry.

If speech and guns are analogous, so is speach and food, and videogames, and vending machines, and power tools, and the grand canyon.  In fact, since speech can only indirectly kill a person, and we're into making analogies on single similarities, while ignoring other vital dissimilarities, maybe there should be a waiting period for getting out of bed in the morning.

If you're not careful with your analogies you aren't going to be able to distinguish between anything before long.

[fredster]

bought my gun on a Saturday.  I had to wait 5 days then drive back to pick it up.

In Indiana, a more civilized state in the Yankee north, If you had a permit you had to wait until the ATM transaction was approved.

Here in TN, I had to wait 3 hours the first time for the check and then 10 minutes thereafter.