*FRONT* Side Design Thread - 2005 BYOAC Tokens

[IntruderAlert]

How about some texture there instead?



..and don't forget to do the full size cab for the opposite side

[DrewKaree]

He's got the "texture" in there.  That ever-so-light shade of gray represents the stippling.

Hey, for kicks, can you see what it looks like shrinking the cocktail to fit inside that ring?

Oh, and leave the images......I think Dave's gonna start a "new design only" thread, so he'll stick your finalized image in there, or whatever

[IntruderAlert]

So how will the light grey look compared to the dark grey on the cab?

[Troz]

So how will the light grey look compared to the dark grey on the cab?

You presented it right, with the texture for the stipple.  I'm just representing it with the light grey.  The dark grey is a medium height on the token.

Hey, for kicks, can you see what it looks like shrinking the cocktail to fit inside that ring?

For kicks...

[Pixelhugger]

Muuuch better. I like it. 

[DrewKaree]

I dunno, I think the larger version has a more 3D look to it, which I like....but something just doesn't "feel" right about it, and I can't place my finger on it.

That shrunk version looks almost like a doodle slapped on there, not very "whoah!"

Knowhutameanvern?

[MrSaLTy]

My own personnel opinion is that the date would look better in the field above the cabinet.  The date looks too scrunched to me on an angle like that.

[Troz]

DrewKaree: Could it be that the entire cocktail hangs out over the edge, instead of how the perspective should work with the right side tucking beneath the circle...as shown in the image below.  I had to modify it in Photoshop to get that effect since I'm not an Illustrator wiz and have no idea how to get only half of a shape (path) to tuck beneath another shape.

Date changed to see how it looks too.

I think I might need to open my own voting poll on which design of mine to submit for consideration

[Kremmit]

No, don't put the date at the top, put it on the side near the base of the table.  That's where it goes on regular coins.  Putting it top and center emphasizes it too much.  Maybe smaller, too- I know the mint can resolve pretty tiny details.  How big was the date from last year, compared to this?

[Joystick Jerk]

(I already posted this in the other thread along with a submission, but it needs saying in here as well)

And about the two coin threads. Can't we just merge them into one thread? A coin face is a coin face, whether back or front. We pick the two best designs and put one on one side, and the other on the reverse.  I think we'd get a lot more designs and responses if people didn't have to keep keep track of two seperate threads that cover the same subject.

[rchadd]

yeah i vote cocktail

[IntruderAlert]

how about putting the date on the cab right above the coin box just to see?

[Troz]

Oops, accidentally overwrote the last version with the latest (look up 5 posts)...

Changed the font, moved the cocktail a little up, and moved the date.  This font (Bauhaus 93) might be too bold but I thought it looked good.  Any font suggestions, or is that something that will be decided upon once the designs are finalized?

[ChadTower]

I still say tuck the cocktail corners under the border instead of over it... which is more important, the name and URL or the picture?

[Troz]

I feel like this loses some of the dimensionality the one above has, but here it is.

[Pixelhugger]

Just move the lower left corner of the base out over the circle... that should restore the dimensionality. Keep the top corners obscured.

I like the typeface.

[Troz]

[ChadTower]

I really like that one.

[DrewKaree]

DEFINITELY better with the corner seeming hidden ("tucked away")

Chad's got a point, the site and url are more important.  Might I suggest the smaller size, keeping it looking "tucked away", the date in the last version looks PERFECT that way, and finally, might I suggest a font called "Slicker".  I've attached it here, just download, and rename it to .zip to check it out.

Taking a second look before posting this has me wondering if it'd look better without the dots around the rim (between the two text elements)

[JDSkydiver]

I my opinion, I like having the Cocktail cabinet on the TAILS SIDE, and a stand up on the HEDS SIDE.

We can use similar outer rings/graphics for consistancy, but now we can have tokens that we can use in a coin toss...

Cocktails for TAILS!!!!

Just my .000002-cents worth...

JDSkydiver

[Chris]

I think you're going to have a problem with the C's in that font... you're looking to engrave a VERY tiny gap (which is a ridge on the die), which isn't going to work well.

When Pixelhugger and I did last year's, many of the cool things we liked at a blown-up size were invisible or muddy at .984 of an inch across.  Print it at .984 and compare lines and fonts with an actual token.

--Chris

[Pixelhugger]

Good point, Chris. I think the smallest line we figured safe last time - raised or recessed - was .004"

It's very easy to check if you work at "full" scale in Illustrator. I worked on mine at actual size and scaled up to post jpegs.

Also, I think the maximum area for design was .92"- if I remember correctly they wanted a .064" safe zone area to create their outer rim.

I think that font looks great. I'd be a shame to loose it. If it's the final winner and the space is too tight maybe consider converting the type to outlines and creating shapes to knock out more space. Just don't modify the actual control points of the converted type or you'll change the curves of the letters. Way too much work unless it wins the vote though. I can help prep it for the mint if none of that makes sense.   

[Troz]

I printed a few versions out at actual size.  To my eyes, the one with the smaller cocktail contained completely within the inner ring, looked best at that size.  As was expected, the text cannot be made out.  The buttons and the coin door lock may need to be a solid color as well.

Pixelhugger, I attempted to do what you said and got as far as converting the text to outlines and creating the shapes.  That gave me a shape for each individual letter.  Beyond that is where I had trouble.  Nothing I did kept the original character of the font.

[Pixelhugger]

Nothing I did kept the original character of the font.

It's a bit complex. You'd need to use the pathfinder tool to combine shapes to knock out the edges of the type. If you try to change points on the converted type itself you'll change the look and shape of the letters.

I can go into it in depth if you'd like to try it. PM me if you decide to give it a go.... but like I said it's way more work than necessary unless you'll be sending it to the mint.

[Troz]

I played around for a bit and think I've got the hang of what you're talking about.  Definitely something to do only if this design wins.

This, pending any font changes if this design wins, is my final design.  Thanks for all the help again!

[Flinkly]

finalized...i still got a couple points of critisizm.  someone just give me the word and i'll start spouting.

[Troz]

This feels like the web development I do at work almost. Always 90% complete, never finished, due to constant change     No offenses to anyone of course... At least the suggestions here have been very helpful.

Start spouting!

[Flinkly]

well, i haven't been around all weekend, so i forgot all my precise critisizm, but one of the larger ones was the inside corners of the cocktail table top.

[Pixelhugger]

Here's the first of a few I've been working on. I was going to keep on tweaking, but when nobody posted new designs after the weekend I thought I'd put this out there so we don't loose momentum.

[AmericanDemon]

Wow......  Pixelhugger.  Jeezus.

[GadgetGeek]

PH, something just doesn't look right on your design...at least in my eyes.
It almost looks like there is a big black circle just sitting there in the top half and it looks like a P1 Start button on a short joystick shaft on the bottom.  I assume the intent is that it a balltop joy with the BYOAC logo running across the token, but at first glance, it is very confusing.  Maybe partially because the concentric rings and the top part of the shaft almost blend together?
I'm sure with a couple tweaks, it will be perfect.

[Pixelhugger]

Tweak.

[Troz]

Very nice!  Changing the balltop and washer to grey really brought out the lettering.  Much better than the first one.

[MrSaLTy]

Looks good... maybe try to angle the BYOAC and the start button up a tad bit so that the angle isnt so harsh.

I like it though. 

[Shua]

Nice Pixelhugger!!!

I'd buy 2000 of those

[Santoro]

Nice Pixel!  The second revision is sweet. 

[RayB]

I'm not sure the grey around the black BYOAC letters is necessary, since this thing will be minted in "3D" in the first place.

[pointdablame]

My eye still partially sees that as a circle on the upper half and a start button sitting on a joystick shaft.

I worry that it might look even more like that when you're looking at them token sized.

I really love the design tho, I just wonder if there's a way to better differentiate the joystick from the BYOAC logo.

[Santoro]

Pixel, what about having the Joystick angled similar to the logo you created for me?

[Pixelhugger]

Lots of good ideas. I'm torn between tweaking this one and letting it be for a while in order to get more ready to post. I just don't have much time and I'd like to get as many ideas out there as possible... then focus on any that are potential candidates.