New Diet Pepsi

[rchadd]

Has any one tried the new diet pepsi?

on the can it says "New Best Ever Taste"

I hate it !!!

need to find and stock up on cans of the old recipe

[Zakk]

Diet soda has a shelf life, so don't stock up too much.  http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/fall97/wr_fall97soda.html

(or google 'aspartame shelf life')

It took me months to be able to stand the taste of diet pop, and about 2 hours to give it up forever, after noticing the expiry date on a can of diet dr. pepper and doing a bit of reading on the net. 

[FractalWalk]

It took me months to be able to stand the taste of diet pop, and about 2 hours to give it up forever, after noticing the expiry date on a can of diet dr. pepper and doing a bit of reading on the net.

[SirPeale]

Sugar substitutes are nasty things that should never be.  There is a lot of truth in those reports (bunk along with them as well, to be expected from an Internet forward).

[FractalWalk]

Sugar substitutes are nasty things that should never be.

[Zakk]

Hey, I don't want to argue it, I just don't want anything to do with the stuff.  All the more for you! 

[FractalWalk]

Hey, I don't want to argue it, I just don't want anything to do with the stuff.

[Zakk]

I dunno, drinking a sugar drink means I have to spend an extra bit of time at the gym.

[SirPeale]

Actually, if you have to drink a soda, drink one with actual *sugar* in it, not High Fructose Corn Syrup.

Other than being really bad on your system (especially your liver) the process of making it is gross.  Give me regular sugar any day.

[maraxle]

Personally, aspartame gives me the worst headaches.  I'm not sure what the deal is, but if I drink a diet soda, even if I don't know it's diet, I get a headache that even Advil and stuff can't get rid of.  For some reason, Splenda doesn't seem to have the same effect on me, so I like stuff like Coke C2 and such.

[Zakk]

I have some splenda in the cupboard, I've been trying to get my wife to switch from aspartame to that.  It was kind of hard to get it here, but finally we found some at costco. 

[SirPeale]

I have some splenda in the cupboard...

Dump it.

http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2004/jul/21/splenda.htm

[Zakk]

Thing is, that is a cemmercial product site, so any and all articles could be biased.  I need at least 20 independent sites that have no product affiliations (easy enough when looking for info on aspartame).  So far the evidence against sucralose is pretty sparse.  (Hey, don't get me wrong I'm a sugar junky).  If I see a packet of aspartame and a packet of sucralose and was told to choose, I would pick the splenda...just not for me. 

[SirPeale]

The only thing in the world that I'm allergic to is sucralose, so I'm a bit biased.  It's how I found out about the stuff.

[FractalWalk]

I dunno, drinking a sugar drink means I have to spend an extra bit of time at the gym.

[SirPeale]

Or people could just exhibit some self control and go for water instead of soda.  Weight problem: solved.

Well, not solved, but certainly better.

[FractalWalk]

Or people could just exhibit some self control and go for water instead of soda.

[JB]

I have some splenda in the cupboard...

Dump it.

http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2004/jul/21/splenda.htm

"They also claim that the chlorine atoms in Splenda are altered and therefore safe, yet it's known that any animal that eats chlorine (especially on a regular basis) is at risk of cancer."
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Sodium chloride, chemical symbol NaCL, common name table salt. Contains chlorine, required for life.

...

Which I guess makes it true. Any animal that ingests chlorine compounds is at risk of cancer because if they don't eat them, they die.

[ChadTower]

Or people could just exhibit some self control and go for water instead of soda.  Weight problem: solved.

Well, not solved, but certainly better.

Just as true for beer.   Without beer, my waist would be 6" smaller.

[Zakk]

Heh, I'm a pop addict too, but I balance that with a good routine of excercise and activity.  I've kept a 32" waist for at least 10 years now.

 Now mind you if I didn't have ulcers I'd still be a falling down drunk.  Pop isn't much better, but it doesn't hurt as much   I don't smoke, don't drink coffee, and rarely drink unless I know I have 2 days to recoup, so a couple of sweet sweet Dr. Peps a day and I call myself lucky 

[SirPeale]

"They also claim that the chlorine atoms in Splenda are altered and therefore safe, yet it's known that any animal that eats chlorine (especially on a regular basis) is at risk of cancer."
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Sodium chloride, chemical symbol NaCL, common name table salt. Contains chlorine, required for life.

...

Which I guess makes it true. Any animal that ingests chlorine compounds is at risk of cancer because if they don't eat them, they die.

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand exactly how it works.

Our bodies require salt (NaCl) this is true.  It's a naturally occuring compound, and the chlorine atoms are bound completely to the sodium atom.

Sucralose, OTOH is regular table sugar that has been bombarded with a special chlorine ion.  Sometimes, not all the ions bond with the sugar molecule.  So not only are you ingesting chlorine, you have a lovely free radical in your system, wreaking all kinds of havoc on it's way out.

[JB]

"They also claim that the chlorine atoms in Splenda are altered and therefore safe, yet it's known that any animal that eats chlorine (especially on a regular basis) is at risk of cancer."
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Sodium chloride, chemical symbol NaCL, common name table salt. Contains chlorine, required for life.

...

Which I guess makes it true. Any animal that ingests chlorine compounds is at risk of cancer because if they don't eat them, they die.

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand exactly how it works.

Our bodies require salt (NaCl) this is true.  It's a naturally occuring compound, and the chlorine atoms are bound completely to the sodium atom.

Sucralose, OTOH is regular table sugar that has been bombarded with a special chlorine ion.  Sometimes, not all the ions bond with the sugar molecule.  So not only are you ingesting chlorine, you have a lovely free radical in your system, wreaking all kinds of havoc on it's way out.

That wasn't mentioned in the text. The only chlorine mentioned is the ones that are substituted into the sucrose molecule.
This lends the quoted portion of text the implication that ingesting all chlorine-bearing molecules is bad for you.


And our bodies break the salt apart into the sodium and chloride ions when the salt is used. The main use of chloride is to make the hydrochloric acid(ANOTHER dangerous chemical) used in our stomachs, though it is also important to proper functioning of the nervous system.

I DO, however, acknowledge that just because something is used inside the body does not mean it can be safely eaten or breathed.
Chlorine is, of course, a toxic gas in it's natural state.
And sodium, while vital to nerve functionality, is only mildly less hazardous in it's natural state.


Interestingly enough, both elements are only useful to biological processes in their ionized forms(positive charge on the sodium atoms, negative on the chlorine ones).


And it's worth noting... Chlorine ions aren't free radicals.
Free radicals are higly-reactive, but uncharged. Ions are charged.
A non-ionized chlorine atom would be a free radical, but we're discussing ions here.

Some free radicals are also incredibly important compounds to life, despite the damage they can do to the body.

[FractalWalk]

I've kept a 32" waist for at least 10 years now.

I remember a 32" waist. I believe Quayle was a senator.

[SirPeale]

That wasn't mentioned in the text. The only chlorine mentioned is the ones that are substituted into the sucrose molecule.
This lends the quoted portion of text the implication that ingesting all chlorine-bearing molecules is bad for you.

You're right, I was wrong in my assumption that it was a chlorine ion.  It *is* a chlorine atom.

And our bodies break the salt apart into the sodium and chloride ions when the salt is used. The main use of chloride is to make the hydrochloric acid(ANOTHER dangerous chemical) used in our stomachs, though it is also important to proper functioning of the nervous system.

I DO, however, acknowledge that just because something is used inside the body does not mean it can be safely eaten or breathed.
Chlorine is, of course, a toxic gas in it's natural state.
And sodium, while vital to nerve functionality, is only mildly less hazardous in it's natural state.

Sodium is fun.  Ever toss it in water? 

Interestingly enough, both elements are only useful to biological processes in their ionized forms(positive charge on the sodium atoms, negative on the chlorine ones).


And it's worth noting... Chlorine ions aren't free radicals.
Free radicals are higly-reactive, but uncharged. Ions are charged.
A non-ionized chlorine atom would be a free radical, but we're discussing ions here.

Some free radicals are also incredibly important compounds to life, despite the damage they can do to the body.

As noted above.  A good example of this would be oxygen.  But since not all the chlorine attaches to the sugar molecule (at least in some forms of manufacturing, there are two different methods) those atoms of chlorine can be present in their 'non-attached' form.

Another site, although sponsored by the Sugar Association, has more information than the site I referenced above.

http://www.truthaboutsplenda.com/

I have a severe reaction to sucralose.  It's the only thing that people actually eat that I've *ever* had a reaction to.  I hesitate to call it an allergy, because I believe that putting something in your body (ie poison) that doesn't belong there technically isn't an allergen.

[DrewKaree]

I thought you told us that you also have a reaction to milk.

When/why did they change the formula for Diet Pepsi?

Vanilla Coke is my drink, so I really have no interest in trying the new Diet Pepsi.  Diet Dr Pepper is the only diet soda I can stomach.

[SirPeale]

I thought you told us that you also have a reaction to milk.

No, milk just grosses me out.  I can drink it fine, I just don't like to.

[JB]

That wasn't mentioned in the text. The only chlorine mentioned is the ones that are substituted into the sucrose molecule.
This lends the quoted portion of text the implication that ingesting all chlorine-bearing molecules is bad for you.

You're right, I was wrong in my assumption that it was a chlorine ion.  It *is* a chlorine atom.

I just thought that, within the context of the specific article, that paragraph was humorous.

And our bodies break the salt apart into the sodium and chloride ions when the salt is used. The main use of chloride is to make the hydrochloric acid(ANOTHER dangerous chemical) used in our stomachs, though it is also important to proper functioning of the nervous system.

I DO, however, acknowledge that just because something is used inside the body does not mean it can be safely eaten or breathed.
Chlorine is, of course, a toxic gas in it's natural state.
And sodium, while vital to nerve functionality, is only mildly less hazardous in it's natural state.

Sodium is fun.  Ever toss it in water? 

Sadly, no.

Interestingly enough, both elements are only useful to biological processes in their ionized forms(positive charge on the sodium atoms, negative on the chlorine ones).


And it's worth noting... Chlorine ions aren't free radicals.
Free radicals are higly-reactive, but uncharged. Ions are charged.
A non-ionized chlorine atom would be a free radical, but we're discussing ions here.

Some free radicals are also incredibly important compounds to life, despite the damage they can do to the body.

As noted above.  A good example of this would be oxygen.  But since not all the chlorine attaches to the sugar molecule (at least in some forms of manufacturing, there are two different methods) those atoms of chlorine can be present in their 'non-attached' form.

Which is a problem, as our digestive system isn't designed to handle chlorine, even if our body is.

Though we likely get more from our drinking water than artifical sweeteners.
...
Chlorinated water has been linked definitively to cancer, for what it's worth. They greatly reduced the amount of chlorine in it after that, but it's a very strong argument for a decent water filter.

Another site, although sponsored by the Sugar Association, has more information than the site I referenced above.

http://www.truthaboutsplenda.com/

Oooh, fun!

Observation: They make a big deal about the chlorine in the sucralose molecule, and while they mention that it is present in other foods, they attempt to trivialize this by focusing ont he fact that the chlorine in sucralose is artificially injected, which makes no real diffrence to the body.

As a tangental sidenote, while I'm thinking of it... the chlorine in sucralose replaces hydroxyl, which is another free radical. And another compound our body uses.

I have a severe reaction to sucralose.  It's the only thing that people actually eat that I've *ever* had a reaction to.

Personally, I avoid all artificial sweeteners. My family's one of the ones that aspartame tastes bitter too, and sucralose has gotten spillover avoidance.

  I hesitate to call it an allergy, because I believe that putting something in your body (ie poison) that doesn't belong there technically isn't an allergen.

Sure it is.
Pollen doesn't belong in our bodies, but it's an allergen.

It hasn't been established that sucralose is actually a poison. The best anyone can legitimately say is that it has no long-term saety studies on humans, just rats, rabbits, etc.