Author Topic: Daphne - Dragon's Lair II - CVS Builds (Read 10967 times)

DreamWeb · « **on:** April 19, 2005, 05:13:26 pm »

Hey guys! I'm using a CVS build of Daphne.. because currently the real release does not support Dragon's Lair II.

My problem is that.. about 25 seconds or so into a game, Dragon's Lair II reboots my computer! IT appears to be at random times... give or take 5 seconds.

Dragon's Lair 1 and Space Ace both play fine (ripped straight from the DVDs myself)

Lair 2.. I acquired through the newsgroups to try.

Any ideas? Maybe my CVS build is outdated? (not sure which version I'm using, I'll check when I get home) Are there any places to find compiled CVS builds of Daphne?

Maybe it's a codec issue?

thanks guys.

d.

somunny · « **Reply #1 on:** April 19, 2005, 06:31:08 pm »

What does the log file say?

Coop

DreamWeb · « **Reply #2 on:** April 19, 2005, 07:25:01 pm »

uh oh! It doesn't look good!

The odd thing is though.. is that it plays fine on my other comp and my comp at work (shhh, don't tell my boss)

--------------------------------

--DAPHNE version 0.99.7cvs
--Command line is: c:\daphne\daphne.exe LAIR2 vldp -framefile c:\daphne\framefile\LAIR2.txt -fullscreen -nohwaccel
--CPU : AuthenticAMD 1950 MHz || Mem : 512 megs
--OS : Windows XP/.NET || Video : RADEON 8500 Series (Omega 2.6.12)
Set 640x480 at 16 bpp with flags: 80000000
Initializing sound system ...
Joystick #0 was successfully opened
Loading roms/lair2/dl2_315.bin ... 65536 bytes read into memory
Play
Booting ROM ...
Search to 722 received
NOTE: converting FPS from 29.970000 to 23.976000. This may be less accurate.
LDP : Received pause while disc was not playing, ignoring
Search to 721 received
NOTE: converting FPS from 29.970000 to 23.976000. This may be less accurate.
Play
LDP : disc is already playing, play command ignored
Play
Search to 61 received
NOTE: converting FPS from 29.970000 to 23.976000. This may be less accurate.
Search to 67 received
NOTE: converting FPS from 29.970000 to 23.976000. This may be less accurate.
Search to 547 received
NOTE: converting FPS from 29.970000 to 23.976000. This may be less accurate.
Search to 2177 received
NOTE: converting FPS from 29.970000 to 23.976000. This may be less accurate.
Play

--------------------

DreamWeb · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2005, 07:46:54 pm »

I just compared it to my other computer. And it actually looks fine.. except that it clearly just ends (system reboot).. rather than shutting down.

The only difference is that there is a joystick detected on the logfile that I've shown you and no joy detected on my other comp. Same video card. Same drivers.

I wonder if it could be the virtual joystick that I'm using.. that would be odd.

d.

somunny · « **Reply #4 on:** April 19, 2005, 10:51:11 pm »

Funny thing... I was searching 'nohwaccel' for some insight into your problem and came across your thread over at the Daphne forums!

I get a 'no joystick detected' message when I check the log. I 'm using an i-pac so it remaps the control keys before starting the game. I'm sure the next thing you'll be doing is trying it with the keyboard only.

Coop

DreamWeb · « **Reply #5 on:** April 19, 2005, 11:58:03 pm »

Yes, I posted over in the Daphne forums... and, understandbly, they can't offer much in the way of support as their policy states that they can't support CVS builds.

Lots of experience to draw from in these forums though!

I'm going to try to uninstall the virtual joystick in a moment.. I'll see where that leads.

d.

walls83 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2005, 03:56:51 pm »

Could someone send me the build that plays Dragons Lair 2.? If someone has one.

walls8374@gmail.com

Thanks

jelwell · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2005, 04:05:49 pm »

Quote from: walls83 on April 25, 2005, 03:56:51 pm

Could someone send me the build that plays Dragons Lair 2.?

walls83 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2005, 04:12:20 pm »

remove the roms. Its against TOS I just want the build

jelwell · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2005, 04:21:48 pm »

Quote from: walls83 on April 25, 2005, 04:12:20 pm

remove the roms.

DreamWeb · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2005, 04:50:34 pm »

Jelwell,

Thanks for the compiled build! It didn't help my rebooting problems.. but, it's nice to have the latest build.

Thanks!

d.

Silver · « **Reply #11 on:** April 26, 2005, 10:13:12 pm »

This sounds like an issue nothing to do with daphne. I suspect its a sound/gfx driver issue.

Are you using the latest gfx drivers available?

As a test, try going to display properties and moving the hardware acceleration tab down to nil, then try daphne, then up one notch, try daphne... and see if there is a point where it starts crashing.

southpaw13 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2005, 01:25:31 am »

Just a question for those who got DL2 working, does it have the "beep" sounds and the graphic overlays. The one I'm using doesn't seem to be 100% working properly...

Thanks...

paigeoliver · « **Reply #13 on:** April 27, 2005, 05:21:56 am »

Amazing how all the laserdisc roms can be freely distributed without anyone saying a word, yet all other roms are somehow different?

Hmmmm. Amazing how that works, eh?

jelwell · « **Reply #14 on:** April 27, 2005, 02:25:06 pm »

Quote from: paigeoliver on April 27, 2005, 05:21:56 am

Amazing how all the laserdisc roms can be freely distributed without anyone saying a word, yet all other roms are somehow different?

Hmmmm. Amazing how that works, eh?

It's actually not that amazing. I believe the Laser disc games are different for 2 reasons:
1) The "real" game content is in the VIDEO not the ROM.
2) The copyright owner expressed their consent in allowing the use of Daphne

You can download 3 MAME ROMs (quick someone ban me!) here:
http://www.mame.net/downmisc.html

These 3 MAME ROMs are allowed because #2 happened for them as well. And of course you can buy ROMs from:
http://www.starroms.com/

Joseph Elwell.

DreamWeb · « **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2005, 06:27:42 pm »

I figured out my problem. It was a ram problem. I swapped in a new piece.. and all is fine now.

Thanks for trying to help guys.

d.

southpaw13 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2005, 05:32:28 pm »

How well does DL2 work? Do you have the "beep" sounds when making moves and the graphic overlays?

Thanks....

DreamWeb · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2005, 07:50:48 pm »

There are no overlays at all. There is a beep.

d.

southpaw13 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 02, 2005, 08:16:05 am »

I wonder if you need to code the MPEG at a different resolution to get the overlays. Cobra Command didn't work for me until I coded it at 512X480...

DreamWeb · « **Reply #19 on:** May 02, 2005, 02:57:51 pm »

It was my understanding that the CVS build with Lair2 didn't have overlays... yet.

d.

DreamWeb · « **Reply #20 on:** May 05, 2005, 11:26:32 am »

Jelwell,

Did you make that Daphne build yourself? Any chance we might see a build with DL2 support and incorporating the latest feature from the new release "-nojoystick"

This would, essentially, complete life for me.

d.

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #21 on:** May 05, 2005, 01:02:04 pm »

Off topic but........

Does anyone have a way that I can get Daphne to display on a vertical monitor?

Anyone?

Thanks,
Craig

jelwell · « **Reply #22 on:** May 05, 2005, 05:30:32 pm »

Quote from: DreamWeb on May 05, 2005, 11:26:32 am

Jelwell,

Did you make that Daphne build yourself?

johnmax · « **Reply #23 on:** May 05, 2005, 08:53:32 pm »

Quote from: southpaw13 on April 27, 2005, 01:25:31 am

Just a question for those who got DL2 working, does it have the "beep" sounds and the graphic overlays.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #24 on:** May 08, 2005, 04:58:52 am »

Quote from: johnmax on May 05, 2005, 08:53:32 pm

Quote from: southpaw13 on April 27, 2005, 01:25:31 am
Just a question for those who got DL2 working, does it have the "beep" sounds and the graphic overlays.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #25 on:** May 08, 2005, 05:03:07 am »

Quote from: koolmoecraig on May 05, 2005, 01:02:04 pm

Off topic but........

Does anyone have a way that I can get Daphne to display on a vertical monitor?

Anyone?

Thanks,
Craig

Yeah... run it in windowed mode. Daphne stretches the image to the resoluton you choose, rather than scaling it, so if you ran it in fullscreen the aspect would be all screwed up anyway.

(BTW, I'm already assuming that you have the sense to know that any emulator other than mame doesn't support rotation and any rotation has to be done on the video card driver level.)

daveg2000 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 08, 2005, 09:28:51 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on May 08, 2005, 04:58:52 am

Wow... so I hope you like getting banned.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #27 on:** May 09, 2005, 02:47:15 am »

No that's not it... CVS builds are NOT up for support on the daphne forums. It says so right in the bi-laws. It's a direct violation of their forum rules to ask about them. Why? It's a cvs build, things aren't going to work right, that's why it's not the official build. Also things that work on "computer A" aren't guaranteed to work on "computer B" yet. It's like asking about a fix to a problem on a wip driver in mame. It's wip driver, you aren't supposed to be using it anyway.

I'm being no more brutal than the daphne moderators, they just used much kinder language (just got back from there and saw the post, hehe). As a matter of fact, if he wasn't kind about asking, they would have banned him, I've seen it happen before. My words were a warning, but alas, nobody listens.

daveg2000 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 09, 2005, 11:30:39 pm »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on May 09, 2005, 02:47:15 am

No that's not it... CVS builds are NOT up for support on the daphne forums. It says so right in the bi-laws....

I'm being no more brutal than the daphne moderators, they just used much kinder language (just got back from there and saw the post, hehe).

johnmax · « **Reply #29 on:** May 10, 2005, 09:33:17 pm »

This kind of response (here and over there) is uncalled for. I understand that it is an unsupported build. But how hard is it to actually say that it is a known bug? Who develops the CVS builds and where can we chat about them? Isn't the goal to get every game working? They are not gods over there and people other than the developers can possibly fix some of the bugs. People need to be a little more open minded. I am by no means a noob, and I read FAQs where ever I go, and stick to the rules mostly. But sometimes I think we need more answers, especially with this game. They don't discuss anything about it. It's like top secret or something. I thought that perhaps the sound issue is something that could be maybe changed in a config file. Just trying to understand the program better.

Thanks for sticking up for me Dave!

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #30 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:08:54 am »

You are missing the point. They are the developers, it's their program and their forum, not yours. So as far as you are concerned they ARE god.

CVS builds are for developer's only (but they release them to anyone who signs up just incase they wish to work on them and contribute.)

They aren't up for use, or discussion by the general public. The developers test the cvs builds themselves and aren't interested in public opinon. When it's an offical build, THEN the users are welcome to report bugs.

It's the same reason why I don't use beta testers for my fe anymore. I would waste all my time getting "bug reports" on issues I was already aware of and just hadn't finished yet. It's far quicker to go over the build myself (because I am familiar with the code and what is still left unfinished) then to spend all day writing up a sheet explaining to my testers all the known issues and what not to worry about.

In short, by asking cvs questions you are bothering the daphne team and taking away valuable time from their coding schedule. I know you think you are helping (or maybe you are just selfish) but you aren't so actually do what the bi-laws say.

The fact that you knew the daphne rules and asked anyway is outrageous. They don't post em for their health they are there for a reason, no exceptions. Breaking the rules once might leave you unscathed, but now if you ever do it again, the devs will get progressively more agitated with you until they ignore you all-together or even ban you. Is that really worth hearing a "beep" in dl2?

Again, I'm trying to help you, but you aren't seeing it.

So in short it is a big deal. You just wasted at least 5 mintues of Matt's time that could have been used on getting the cvs build ready for public release.

daveg2000 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 13, 2005, 09:18:41 am »

I understand points on both sides.

They shouldnt have to support what is not officially
done by them but as long as the emulator
is out there and publicly available - whether its
their build or not, people are going to ask
the same questions over and over and over.. its the
nature of the beast.

Just like mame, the devs get annoyed with many
of the noob questions that are out there, but if they
didn't want these questions, they shouldnt have made
the emulator available to 'the public'....
If they release it, people ask questions, critique, etc.....
it will never end and they should accept it and hopefully
grin and bear it... (Like hollywood stars and the 'prozzi.
I'm sure they dont like it, but its something that comes
with the territory.)

I'm not getting into this debate again.. its been over done
too many times.

Good points both of you. I'm outta this one!

I'll just keep checking back @ daphne's board every few months to see
if we can get our 'beeps' back...

btoddkelley · « **Reply #32 on:** May 13, 2005, 12:05:37 pm »

Your spitting in the wind trying to get HC to ease up. Granted, it would have been simpler to just answer the question,(or just ignore it!) but HC feels he is on a mission from God. Too bad really. He is excellent at putting together apps that help the community and he is one of the most knowledgeable about emulation in the forum.
Social skills, compassion and knowledge are not always handed out together. I had a student like him once. Brilliant, but would make other people (students) feel like dirt when they would ask a question he felt they should already know. I used to tell him to "Think it in your head, see how it sounds, and then, if it is not rude, say it" I had him in several classes and it did get better, but it took a while. (I had him in several classes.)
Unfortunately, when you are typing a response it has been thought about, and therefore intentional. I just look at HC as comedy relief. I used to call him Howard CASTRO, given his dictator mentality. He got upset in a post and chastised me for ALWAYS spelling his name wrong. (search for it, it is funny!) I politely explained the joke to him.
*Begin blatant sarcasm* I only hope I am as smart as he is when I finish my dissertation. *end blatant sarcasm*
Back to the original question. Find Daphne 99.6 CVS from last summer. It works well. I have had it on my cab for about year. DL2 does not beep, but it is very stable. The newest release has a problem with Cliffhanger. I have tried it on the desk top but I do not feel that the other bug fixes outway the problems. I plan to play with it more next week. If you are interested, I will be glad to post my findings.

Everyone get ready for HC's flaming response!

And remember, laugh a little.

Todd

Lilwolf · « **Reply #33 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:28:42 pm »

Trouble is about the 'once its out there' it will just make them close up the CVS builds.

If they ask for beta input they will ask. If they don't care to know they will make that known at the top of their forum or in the forum faqs.

IE, just don't ask and take it as not ready for primetime.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #34 on:** May 13, 2005, 06:22:17 pm »

Quote from: btoddkelley on May 13, 2005, 12:05:37 pm

Your spitting in the wind trying to get HC to ease up. Granted, it would have been simpler to just answer the question,(or just ignore it!) but HC feels he is on a mission from God. Too bad really. He is excellent at putting together apps that help the community and he is one of the most knowledgeable about emulation in the forum.

daveg2000 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 13, 2005, 07:45:48 pm »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on May 13, 2005, 06:22:17 pm

I left for 2 months (because of disrespectful people)

btoddkelley · « **Reply #36 on:** May 14, 2005, 12:11:31 am »

I don't think people need me to "enlighten" them. I also don't think its your job to "keep the kiddies in line" I'm quite certain your the only one who thinks that. I also find it amusing that you can treat people like crap and then chastise me for "a direct violation of the rules" by being disrespectful of you. Rest assured, in the future I will treat you with the same degree of respect that you treat others.
I do believe you have a lot to offer the community but I think a lot of people would prefer it if you did it with a pleasant attitude.

Oh and Dave.......

Todd

johnmax · « **Reply #37 on:** June 02, 2005, 01:51:40 pm »

Hate to bring this highly argued thread up from the dead again, but It seems the devs at Daphne have fixed the DL2 sound bug. Got a reply on my post over there stating that. Who knew some beeps and boops could cause such anger?

slycrel · « **Reply #38 on:** June 02, 2005, 06:32:20 pm »

FWIW there is a new "test" build out for daphne compiled by matt himself if anyone is interested.


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