Paid to surf program, $30+/day, just look!

[SOAPboy]

i started one of those things recently.. search engine crap.. works pretty decent, its easy, and what not.. only problem, i need refereals..

its free tho, so thats good (links in sig)

If i get this job im hoping for, ill for sure drop a few bucks into this one emdkay is doing.. 3 months, and hes broken even.. ^_^

[paigeoliver]

I wouldn't trust that company with 15 cents, much less thousands of dollars.

Think about it for a minute. Think how this works, they are selling ad impressions to companies.

FAKE ONES.

Thus they are ripping off the companies they are doing business with by selling them what they think are genuine banner ad placement, and instead they are providing an autorefreshing window that is not being viewed (nor clicked) by anyone.

Easier to understand example. You own a business, you would like a billboard, you contract with a company for a billboard and they put up your billboard facing away from the road where no one can see it.

So we have established they are ripping off people on one side of things. If they are ripping off companies with lawyers, what makes a person think that they would think twice about ripping off Joe Average?

[emdkay]

This isn't really how the system functions.  It doesn't rely on payment from advertisers.  The ads you see are mostly not paid for by anyone.  They are added for free by other studiotraffic members.  Anybody who pays for their ad to be placed into rotating is well aware that the ads do not have to actively be viewed or clicked on.  The paid advertisers know the nature of their site views (auto-surf is clearly defined as how their users come to the ads).

Studiotraffic make money from various sources: members upgrading obviously, members withdrawing money (Studiopay takes 2-3% percent of withdrawls are kept as a fee), studiopay visa debit cards will allow you to spend your earnings directly from your account - fees will be taken for atm withdrawl fees, cash advances, etc., studiowalker offers domain hosting, web site creation & design, allows members to accept credit cards. etc. 

If you don't trust them with any of your money, they offer free accounts and even give you $10 to start with.  It's very little, but compounding over a year can earn you $100.  If you don't trust them by even wasting your time, it's not your cup of tea.  The $900/month I earn for spending ~8 hours/month is well worth my time.  As with any business venture, no risk and playing it safe usually ensures little success. 

Well it's the end of the month - time to collect again 

[SOAPboy]

emdkay you should sign up on mine ^_^

 

[danny_galaga]

That looks like a classic Ponzi scheme. Beware.

thanks budda, i learnt something interesting today!

http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/ponzi/

and now i know who it was that first started selling swampland in florida (",)

by the way, i still have 20 acres left if anyones interested...

[emdkay]

It's that time of the month again, to cash my check from Studiotraffic for spending about 20 minutes/day surfing some web pages.  I know this "doesn't work" and is still "about to crumble" after almost three years, but tell that to my bank account

[gprime]

are you investing more? your checks keep getting higher

congrats at making $100/h in your spare time

[gprime]

.. and what is the max you are allowed to invest?

[emdkay]

They are getting higher but I haven't invested anything since I started.  The extra cash has come from referrals.  Every check should average $900/month if I get no referrals.  The maximum you can have on one account is $15,000.  You can have 2 accounts. 

[thetered]

I'm signing up with you!

You got your money back in four months, does that work true for any amount assuming all goes as planned? I mean if i put $100 in, I should have it back in 4 months, or is that only because you put alot in?

[emdkay]

I'm signing up with you!

You got your money back in four months, does that work true for any amount assuming all goes as planned? I mean if i put $100 in, I should have it back in 4 months, or is that only because you put alot in?

Awesome    Yea that works for any amount of money.  If you start with $100, you'd earn about $30/month, so in 4 months, that's $120, what you started with plus some.  Every dime from that point on is profit.  In a year, the $100 will have turned into $360.  Or, $1,000 will have turned into $3,600. 

[thetered]

ok 1 more question, If I put in 100 bucks and make $30 the first month can i instantly pull it, or do i have to build up to $100 in earnings before I can pull it?

I'm thinking about going a bit higher than 100 though


Also I get half the commission right? 

[emdkay]

Yes you can take that right out at the end of the month. 

Your account LEVEL is the amount that you deposit.  Your account BALANCE is how much you have earned.  Your balance grows at the end of each month for the days you have surfed that month.  You can withdraw from your balance anytime you want, as long as your LEVEL is at least $100.

Yea!  If you put in $100, I would earn $10, and give you $5.  I'd keep doing this for however many times you want to upgrade.  Too bad I found out about this on my own - somebody would have earned $300 on my $3,000 upgrade. 

[thetered]

blah it looks like i'll have to wait till next month to pay, cause they are not accepting paypal right now but said they should be again starting next month

[hyiu]

I'm happy that you are making $$ out of this system, and I agree that this is just not my cup of tea...
 

but let me see the simple math....
assuming you and part of the people are investing $1000.
and some other people (who is willing to try, but is more causious, is just putting in time clicking...)

so, you got your $1000 back in roughly 3-4 months....
from there on is PURE profit...

now, let me see where the money is from ??...

you said it is NOT mainly from ads... (ok, maybe a small portion...)

by charging a % fee on deposit / withdraw is not enough to keep your paycheck... (this is NOT income...)
by giving away other people's investment does not work either... (since you got yours back in 3 months already.... which means everyone else will draw their bank dry in 3 months...)

now... domain hosting, web site create and design...
this is legit source of income.... but to support thousands of clickers like you this math is simply not right....

good for anyone who is making $$, and I hope noone is losing $$ on this....

but just like the dot com bubble, when simple income and expense does not add up, I really believe that soon or later it'll explode...
its kinda like playing "music chair"... when music stops... the slow one will get burned....

This isn't really how the system functions.

[emdkay]

I'm not sure if you're aware, but upgrades expire after one year.  This is a big part of how the system continues to work.  Once you put in $100 today, your account level will be back down to 0 in exactly one year, after you have turned $100 into $365, making about $265 profit. 

You can then put $100 back into the system (you earned this $265 profit already anyway) and earn $30/month for 12 months again, or you can walk away and not be paid anymore. 

Also note that you can upgrade as often as you like - with each upgrade expiring one year from the day you upgrade. 

[RayB]

I'm not sure if you're aware, but upgrades expire after one year.

[emdkay]

I'm not sure if you're aware, but upgrades expire after one year.  This is a big part of how the system continues to work.  Once you put in $100 today, your account level will be back down to 0 in exactly one year, after you have turned $100 into $365, making about $265 profit.

So what happens to your $3k at your 1-year anniversary date? You lose it?

Once you start with $3,000, it isn't gone at the end of that 1 year anniversary - it's gone immediately.  It's used to help pay other members. 

At the end of that first month, you will have earned $900, then $900 the next month, and so-on.  That's what we were referring to by taking 3-4 months to have earned back your initial investment.  At the 4th month, they will have given you $3,600, which marks the $600 profit mark for you. 

From that 3.5 month period, everything you earn is profit, with no risk.  I'm beyond that 3.5 month point now - so every penny I earn is profit, even if the system would collapse tomorrow - which it doesn't show any signs of doing. 

Total Membership Fees to Date $ 6,526,210.00
Total Studio Traffic Members 189,382

[cholin]

So basically, it does go away after the year, but he would have gotten (possibly) several thousand more dollars that he can put back into the system if he so wishes.

[emdkay]

Exactly, you stop earning money on it after a year, but you can put money back in using hte profit you already earned.  My $3,000 I put in a few months ago will have turned into $10,800 at the end of 12 months.  I can put $3,000 of that back in, or only $1,000, etc., or walk away. 

[hyiu]

but what I still don't see is how they can survive ??

you put in $1000 (or whatever X amount), then you got it back in 3 months... make 9 month's pure profit.

As you can see, everyone's amount will be flushed out in their 3 months!!!

what supports the company to pay you the extra 9 month's profits ??  don't tell me other people's investments, because theirs will be gone in 3 months also !!!! (if that's the case, it pays you off by other people's investments.. then it IS a real pyramid scam.... thats exactly what it is...)

Ads ?? as you told us, ads is not the main source of income...
% transaction fees ?? remember... those $$, you already made up also within the 3-4 months time !!!

the only other legit source of income is you said web hosting / design...
which I'm pretty sure at your rate of clicking... (with thousands of users like you... or even hundreds of users like you...) that little web hosting /design won't cover at all....

so, unless you tell me how they can balance their books, it looks like a scam to me....

maybe you have missed somethings you didn't tell me...
maybe this company has a billion dollar trust fund that supports it to burn its cash....

but bottom line is....
you are not helping this company generate profit, it does not make any sense that the company pays you for this "clicking"...

keep in mind that I am FULLY AWARE that you are already making pure profit... and I'm happy for you....

just that I'm convinced that this is against the very basic rule of economy until you can tell me exactly how this company is willing to pay you for just clicking and this clicking is NOT related to their making $$...  and this is not a scam....

or how they balanced their book.....

just like the early dot coms.... they give out free gifts... sign up and get $10.... sure... they're all legit... but they're burning the venture capital funds !!!! and after a few yrs... that fund finished burning... and the bubble burst....

up till now, I still see that the basic law of economy still applies to ALL companies... including yours.... so, either there's something wrong with this company, or you missed telling us something important...
cos the facts does not come together to 1 piece....

anyway.... good luck to all that do jumps in... may you all make $$...

I think I have said more than enough in this topic...
 

[emdkay]

Most of the money to pay others comes from your own upgrade, withdraw fees, upgrade fees, etc.  Also, for every day that you're not able to surf the minimum amount of sites for that particular day - you don't get paid.  It's your responsibility to remember to take a good 20 minutes or so every single day to earn your pay.  Granted, people with a lot of money invested will not be able to forget, many people do. 

You're also forgetting that you don't need to put in a penny to start an account.  They give you $10 free to start, which you can build up and compound every month into enough money to withdraw, or to continue to compound again.  Pyramids require a membership fee.  You don't have to put in anything other than your time to earn money from ST.  I'll post an example below that another ST member listed, using a completely free $10 account:

Month 1: Account Level = $10.00 Earnings = $3.00  (the best strategy is take this $3.00 and upgrade your account with it so that you will now have a $13.00 account level and from here on out, we will upgrade your account level with your earnings until you have an account level which makes a decent amount of money)
Month 2: Account Level = $13.00 Earnings = $3.90 (earnings is more now because you upgraded your account level from last month's earnings, you still didn't spend $1 of your own money)
Month 3: Account Level = $16.90 Earnings = $5.07
Month 4: Account Level = $21.97 Earnings = $6.59
Month 5: Account Level = $28.56 Earnings = $8.57
Month 6: Account Level = $37.13 Earnings = $11.14
Month 7: Account Level = $48.27 Earnings = $14.78
Month 8: Account Level = $63.05 Earnings = $18.92
Month 9: Account Level = $81.97 Earnings = $24.59
Month 10: Account Level = $106.56 Earnings = $31.97
Month 11: Account Level = $138.53 Earnings = $41.56
Month 12: Account Level = $180.09 Earnings = $54.03
Month 13: Account Level = $234.12 Earnings = $70.24
Month 14: Account Level = $304.36 Earnings = $91.31
Month 15: Account Level = $395.67 Earnings = $118.70
Month 16: Account Level = $514.37 Earnings = $154.31
Month 17: Account Level = $668.68 Earnings = $200.60
Month 18: Account Level = $869.28 Earnings = $260.78
Month 19: Account Level = $1130.06 Earnings = $339.02
Month 20: Account Level = $1469.08 Earnings = $440.72
Month 21: Account Level = $1909.80 Earnings = $572.94
Month 22: Account Level = $2482.74 Earnings = $744.82
Month 23: Account Level = $3227.56 Earnings = $968.27
Month 24: Account Level = $4195.83 Earnings = $1258.75
Month 25: Account Level = $5454.58 Earnings = $1636.37
Month 26: Account Level = $7090.95 Earnings = $2127.29
Month 27: Account Level = $9218.24 Earnings = $2765.47
Month 28: Account Level = $11983.71 Earnings = $3595.11
Month 29: Account Level = $15000.00 Earnings = $4500.00 ($15000.00 account level is the limit they set. You cannot have an account level more than $15000... however, now you just take the earnings of $4500.00 and spend it on whatever you like!)
Month 30: Account Level = $15000.00 Earnings = $4500.00
Month 31: Account Level = $15000.00 Earnings = $4500.00
Month 32: Account Level = $15000.00 Earnings = $4500.00
Month 33: Account Level = $15000.00 Earnings = $4500.00
Month 34: Account Level = $15000.00 Earnings = $4500.00
Month 35: Account Level = $15000.00 Earnings = $4500.00
Month 36: Account Level = $15000.00 Earnings = $4500.00

Maybe I haven't explained it well enough or don't know the economics enough to explain - check out their forums:  http://www.studiotraffic.org/forum/  Look for the threads of people calling it a waste of time or asking how it could survive..

[hyiu]

emdkay, for now, I'm not interested in how much you would got paid for each level, but I'm more interested in
HOW THE COMPANY GOT THE $$$MONEY$$$ TO PAY YOU ?!?!  and if you're not directly or indirectly helping this company to make profit, WHY do they pay you ??

if they pay you because you click and generate traffic, that's a scam. because that's FAKE traffic.

if they pay you NOT because you click, then it doesn't make sense.

[paigeoliver]

Its the EXACT same way Charles Ponzi paid his investors, heck it is just about the exact same timeframe. They just tossed in some nonsense about traffic and clicking so that people think they are somehow earning money.

Here, from another websites.

    * "As you note, some people actually made money in the original and now famous 1920's Charles Ponzi scheme, or so they thought until it went into bankruptcy court. "


That Studiotraffic is a ponzi scheme can be seen by the fact that their value (assets-liabilities) has been negative since day one and they will continue to incur more debt until they shutdown and run with the remaining money.
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[emdkay]

Hm, I said that most of the money comes from the upgrades of others, withdraw fees, them not surfing cetain days, etc.  They also have Studiowalker - a web hosting solution service, as well as a huge reserve. 

There is no "clicking" involved.  Please read their FAQ and forums.  Start a topic - ask an honest question where the money comes from and you'll receive detailed responses. 

I know - this is a scam, bla bla, pyramid, ponzi, bla bla.  The money I've been making is not real too I suppose      JK, but if you aren't willing to take the risk, then use a free account.  If you don't want to waste even your time, then just pass this up.  I'm taking the risk here so you guys can learn from me, or laugh at me if that is the case  ...if I fail, or even make some $.  I'm just reporting my progress and how I understand the system to work.

[paigeoliver]

There are certain indications that are usually typical for scams. In
the case of StudioTraffic.com, I have found a number of these
indications.

I. The lack of proper contact information
Reputable companies do not conceal their real address, phone and fax
numbers. Scam companies do this, and so does also StudioTraffic. Their
address is not listed anywhere on their website. I have checked for
the owner of their domain name, and the result is most suspicious. The
domain has been registered for StudioTraffic by a company named "Whois
Privacy Protection Service, Inc". This is one of the anonymizer
services spammers and scammers use to avoid being traced by their
victims. A reputable company just does not have any reason to hide
their face.

II. Questionable ways of advertising
I have searched the Usenet archives and found out that in numerous
cases, StudioTraffic has been advertised by persons who are
suspiciously enthusiastic about the service - and who have been
spamming various Newsgroups with similar advertisements for other
"make money fast", "make money by surfing the Web", "get paid for
surveys" services. I have no doubt that they are professional spammers
who regularly advertise obscure scam companies, using anonymous and
easily replacable Yahoo and Hotmail e-mail accounts. A reputable
company does not use such means of advertising their services.

III. Sign-up fee
As a general rule: If a company demands a sign-up fee and similar
payments for granting you the privilege of working for them, then it's
scam time. I have had a look at the FAQs - and there is not the
slightest guarantee that you will ever earn notable amounts of money
after having signed up with them. Basically, they use many words to
say: 'You give us money, and after that there is a slight chance but
no whatsoever guarantee that you will earn any money. You can give us
more money, but that won't change anything except that your account
status will have a more fancy name'. Or, as they say in their FAQ:
"Are payouts guaranteed at Studiotraffic? - We cannot guarantee
earnings..."

IV. Discrepancy between claims and reality
I have found virtually thousands of sites, forum postings and Usenet
postings that enthusiastically praise StudioTraffic - allegedly by
users, but the word choice looks amazingly similar in many cases, down
to identical phrases. Many included magniloquent statements, along the
lines of the "phenomenal growth" of the service. But there are not
many postings of people who have actually earned noteworthy amounts,
although one should assume that the huge number of enthusiastic users
must be proud of their easy money and tell the world how much they
earned. Much advertising disguised as customer opinions, but very few
manifest cases of success - highly suspicious.

My conclusion: Be cautious. StudioTraffic demand money without
ensuring earnings, use questionable ways of advertising, and hide
their identitiy and location behind an anonymizing service. That is
not the behaviour of a respectable company. Even if they are
reputable, their behaviour disqualifies them. I advise against signing
up with them.

Not much has changed since the above study was done, except they now do list an address, one in PANAMA!

[emdkay]

I've read those posts over and over.  They're based in Panama to avoid paying taxes.  Online casino sites do the same exact thing.  Their banks are all over the USA and Canada though - with physical offices in Canada and europe. 

Part I - reputable companies do not conceal their real address, phone, fax?  Sure they do.  Depending on the nature of the business, you don't need people contating the site owner, finding out where they live, etc.  It's just not necessary.  I have my domain registered through whoisprivacyprotect.com  I don't need my personal information publically listed. 

Part II - they're concerned about questionable methods of people spreading the word about studiotraffic?  ok  The same can be said about free i pods*.com and that's legit. 

Part III - this is completely false.  There is no sign-up fee.  As I posted above, you do not have to put in a dime.  You start with a $10 account completely free.  This person clearly didn't do their homework.  They also can not guarantee investments will return money.  Have you ever invested in a stock that has guaranteed anything?  Of course there is risk. 

Part IV - again, completely false.  I've posted payment after payment I've received.  View the "i've been paid" forum to see hundreds of users taking the time to scan and post the checks and payments they've received:  http://www.studiotraffic.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=9

[emdkay]

oops, meant to edit my post above for the free i pods .com mention

[sc1103]

Part IV - again, completely false. I've posted payment after payment I've received. View the "i've been paid" forum to see hundreds of users taking the time to scan and post the checks and payments they've received: http://www.studiotraffic.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=9

okay maybe Im not completely correct but heres my two cents.  This is a ponzi style scheme, in fact, it reminds me of one where christian colleges invested in a company, which guaranteed to double the money.  Hundreds of schools invested, and the money would be rerouted and sent to schools whose doubling payments were through.  People still made money off of the scam, much like this one, but in the end, many lost out.  If you've already made back your money and this is stil paying out, good for you.  this  is just a warning & my 2 cents worth.   

[emdkay]

Yea, again, a ponzi requires you to put your own $ in.  ST does not require or ask a dime of you.  I'm pretty much spent on this topic though.  Feel free to brainstorm more ideas or whatnot. 

[paigeoliver]

Yea, again, a ponzi requires you to put your own $ in.  ST does not require or ask a dime of you.  I'm pretty much spent on this topic though.  Feel free to brainstorm more ideas or whatnot. 

Yes, but it is almost impossible to earn anything from a free account, thus assuring that people will invest.

Face, nothing about the business model makes sense in any rational way. The numbers don't add up, the advertising bit and free account bits are just a red herring, and the companies debt continues to mount daily.

[sc1103]

It may be the free account lures people into a sense of security, and the company then hopes to see a nice influx in the account which they then can use to pay off other people. 

[cholin]

All I know, and care about, is that you get paid.  You throw in what, a hundred bucks, not a huge loss, but you will get it back.  People are skeptical about iPod things too but guess what, take it while it works.

[paigeoliver]

All I know, and care about, is that you get paid.  You throw in what, a hundred bucks, not a huge loss, but you will get it back.  People are skeptical about iPod things too but guess what, take it while it works.

And all are dishonest/bad/sketchy business models.

Free iPod/Minimac/inflate-a-goat are all based on the idea of a company that is getting paid by a commision by other companies for legitimate referalls.

But the referalls aren't legitimate. It is just a bunch of people signing up for things and then cancelling them before they are billed so they can get a toy. What these companies are doing is the equivalent of working in a store and paying your buddies to come in and buy stuff and then return it after you get your commission.

Meanwhile a few people forget to cancel, end up getting misbilled, or otherwise spend money on something they don't want. Thus making it a doubly dishonest tactic.

Or maybe I am the only one here who believes in conducting business ethically. I don't care a whole lot about legalities, but I do care about ethics and honesty.

[Fat_Trucker]

Its exactly like a pyramid scheme. The levels of return are indeed genuine and enormous. The difficulty is that you have to get in at the right time. At some point these things run out of investors at which point everyone waiting for cash gets the shaft.

These scheme's can only pay out while the number of people joining the scheme is growing at the correct rate. If the number of people joining slows or ceases then the cash quickly disappears and all the investors who haven't taken their money get nothing.

Just a question of whether people want to gamble large amounts of cash on an all or nothing proposition.
If you wouldn't be comfortable sticking that money on one spin of the wheel at a casino then these scheme's definitely aren't for you as the risks involved are pretty much the same.

[emdkay]

...my monthly "been paid - yet again - by Studiotraffic" post.  Here's my direct deposit statement for $931.00 for surfing 30 minutes/day in the month of June 

[pointdablame]

I'm seriously half tempted to try this with the free $10.  No, I won't be making that much money, but I really wonder if it'll actually work... and hell... if they last a while maybe I can actually build up some decent amount of cash.

[emdkay]

It does work so you'd be wasting your time with the free $10 account.     I've been paid $3,483.00 in the last 4 months from an intial $3,000 investment.  That's $483.00 profit at this point, and now the next 8 payments I receive of ~$900.00/month - all of that will be all profit.  Previous payments by check, paypal, and now direct deposit from now on:

    

[bossyman15]

screw it i will sign up tomorrow

do you need to surf 200 page per day? and what happens if you don't do it for one day or you miss one day?

[emdkay]

screw it i will sign up tomorrow

do you need to surf 200 page per day? and what happens if you don't do it for one day or you miss one day?

The amount of pages you need to surf each day depends on the account LEVEL you are at:

Free member