WMDs found in Iraq!!

[Dexter]

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0412/S00002.htm

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives//000173.php

I'm posting this because its the 7th or 8th such report I've seen from different sources in a week. American double standards, best in the world!

Heres some quotes from the transcript of boxer grilling condi rice. It confirms what me and my 'lefty tree hugger' associates have said in numerous threads in relation to the Iraq invasion (full transcript here: LA Times Link

Boxer To Rice:
"..this from a war that was based on what everyone now says, including your own administration, were falsehoods about WMDs, weapons of mass destruction."

"..you say they (al quaida) have left territory -- that's not true. Your own documents show that al Qaeda has expanded from 45 countries in '01 to more than 60 countries today."

"I want to read you a paragraph that best expresses my views, and ask my staff if they would hold this up -- and I believe the views of millions of Californians and Americans. It was written by one of the world's experts on terrorism, Peter Bergen, five months ago. He wrote: "What we have done in Iraq is what bin Laden could not have hoped for in his wildest dreams: We invaded an oil-rich Muslim nation in the heart of the Middle East, the very type of imperial adventure bin Laden has long predicted was the U.S.'s long-term goal in the region. We deposed the secular socialist Saddam, whom bin Laden has long despised, ignited Sunni and Shi'a fundamentalist fervor in Iraq, and have now provoked a defensive jihad that has galvanized jihad- minded Muslims around the world. It's hard to imagine a set of policies better designed to sabotage the war on terror."

"..this was not the case in '01. And I have great proof of it, including a State Department document that lists every country -- could you hold that up? -- in which al Qaeda operated prior to 9/11. And you can see the countries; no mention of Iraq. And this booklet was signed off on by the president of the United States, George W. Bush. It was put out by George Bush's State Department, and he signed it. There was no al Qaeda activity there -- no cells."

"..You sent them (US troops) in there because of weapons of mass destruction. Later, the mission changed when there were none. I have your quotes on it. I have the president's quotes on it."

"..you should read what we voted on when we voted to support the war, which I did not, but most of my colleagues did. It was WMD, period. That was the reason and the causation for that, you know, particular vote."

Confirmed, reasons were BS, Iraq had no WMDs and it was known before the invasion there was no al quaida in Iraq. They lied, end of.

Really starting to like Barbara Boxer, have to say.

[Hoagie_one]

shes hard core

[Dexter]

shes hard core

Yeah, imagine coming home to HER at 5am with half your pay packet gone without a rock solid alibi!

[ChadTower]

Let's all say it together:

HUSSEIN USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS OPENLY ON IRAQIS.

Still want to say he never had any?

[Dexter]

HUSSEIN USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS OPENLY ON IRAQIS. AMERICAS USE ON IRAQIS LESS OPEN

Check the two links in the original post for information on WMDs currently being used in Iraq.

By the way, just because saddams genocides happen on home turf but americas happen overseas does not mean one is worse then the other, and matters little to the victims who the perpretrators are.

[ChadTower]

(snip)Confirmed, reasons were BS, Iraq had no WMDs...(snip)

This is your statement I have addressed.  It is false.

I have not addressed the comparisons, the legality of the war, or anything else.  I have addressed your false statement that Iraq had no WMDs.  They did.  They used them.

[Dexter]

This is your statement I have addressed.

[DrewKaree]

Chad, next you'll be spouting off about how yours is a "valid point of view" or some such nonsense 

Maybe I was the only one who noticed it.....Dexter's now saying it was wrong to use those things.  Sure, he's saying it now because there's a way to say yet again that America bad - but at least he's on the right path to success.   

Chad, take a screenshot of this exchange.  Dexter may refuse to believe even his own words, given enough time to think of a way to absolve Sadaam and make his use of them something to be praised, honored, and repeated _{by anyone but America}


Seriously - WHICH SIDE OF THE DEBATE DO YOU WANT TO TAKE?  Your effusive praise of Ms Boxer is for her "putting the screws to Condi to "pick her angle'.  Are you just calling EVERY kettle black  to make sure you don't leave any out now?

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Those that support the war in Iraq have trouble parsing the argument from those of us that believe this particular war, not all wars in general, was unjustified.

To help put it more plainly, the argument goes like this:

Saddam had WMD at one time, we know this because we, the United States, sold it to him. He has also been accused of using these weapons against his own people. Although that never prompted outrage from those that currently support the war, when it actually happened in 1998. The overwhelming majority of the WMD that Iraq once had were destroyed during the inspections programs of the nineties. This has been well documented; the US government even boasted about it at the time. Another part of it would simply have degraded by now.

Either way, the justification given to the public by this administration and presented before congress for a vote to authorize the "necessary" use of force to "preemptively" invade Iraq, no matter how many "post-war" excuses current supporters choose to buy into, was simply that Saddam currently possessed mass quantities of WMD and presented an imminent threat to the United States. This has proven to not be the case, thus Bush's justification for his unprecedented doctrine of preemptive warfare has no justification and he should be held accountable for his mistake. Not Clinton, who even if he supported the war, hadn't actually made the choice and committed our country to seemingly perpetual war in the middle east.

Splitting hairs? Maybe, I tend to think of it as circumstance. If Clinton could have been president in 2002 and had driven us into this war on the basis of the threat of WMD, which then later turned out to be false...I can barely imagine those on the right falling over themselves to demand accountability. Astonishingly, on this issue, as opposed to lying about a blowjob*...I'd be on their side.  (*For the record, I think there should be degrees of perjury, like with murder...since a lie about a blowjob is not the same as a lie that brings us to war, call me crazy. I think Clinton should have been admonished, but an impeachable offense? Seriously, 8 years and this is the best the Republicans could come up with?)

In my world, I am held accountable for my mistakes and I believe our Presidents should be as well.

Finally, don't know how I feel about it yet but, before invasion, 1.4 million Iraqi civilians had died as a result of the sanctions, which is 3,000 times more than the number of Kurds who supposedly died of gassing at the hands of Saddam.

mrC

[mr.Curmudgeon]

My favorite part:

In what appears to be an effort to downplay the nuclear-weapons scare tactics you used before the war, your answer was, and I quote, "It was a case that said he was trying to reconstitute. He's trying to acquire nuclear weapons. Nobody ever said that it was going to be the next year." So that's what you said to the American people on television -- "Nobody ever said it was going to be the next year."

Well, that wasn't true, because nine months before you said this to the American people, what had George Bush said, President Bush, at his speech at the Cincinnati Museum Center? "If the Iraqi regime is able to produce, buy or steal an amount of highly-enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball, it could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year."

So the president tells the people there could be a weapon. Nine months later you said no one ever said he could have a weapon in a year, when in fact the president said it.


Perjury anyone??? Maybe if we found out Condeleeza got cunnilingus in the Oval Office...then we could truly hold her to account.


mrC

[shmokes]

(snip)Confirmed, reasons were BS, Iraq had no WMDs...(snip)

This is your statement I have addressed.  It is false.

I have not addressed the comparisons, the legality of the war, or anything else.  I have addressed your false statement that Iraq had no WMDs.  They did.  They used them.

That's BS Chad.  You responded to a statement that was never made.  Dexter's "snip" up there said that Iraq had no WMDs.  It is beyond clear that he is implying, at the time the united states invaded Iraq.  NOBODY anywhere is saying that Saddam never had or used chemical weapons.  That's fact.  The point is, we went in to remove weapons that had already been removed.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Really starting to like Barbara Boxer, have to say.

Then be sure to sign, and have your family and friends sign, her petition: http://ga4.org/campaign/ricehearings/forward/d756gwr2jmx336

Now, real activism is encouraged, but the least anyone can do is show support by signing the above petition. If you want to do more, write letters to the editor for your local paper supporting Senator Boxer's efforts to hold Condolezza accountable, and/or call/write your support of her efforts directly.

The louder the voices, the better chance we'll be heard.


mrC

[mr.Curmudgeon]

What they said. (For the Record)

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud   
Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
CNN Late Edition
9/8/2002

But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.   
George W. Bush, President
Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.   
George W. Bush, President
Speech to UN General Assembly
9/12/2002

There is already a mountain of evidence that Saddam Hussein is gathering weapons for the purpose of using them. And adding additional information is like adding a foot to Mount Everest.   
Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
9/6/2002

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.   
Dick Cheney, Vice President
Speech to VFW National Convention
8/26/2002

And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons.   
George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas   
George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

I am absolutely convinced, based on the information that's been given to me, that the weapon of mass destruction which can kill more people than an atomic bomb -- that is, biological weapons -- is in the hands of the leadership of Iraq.   
Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
MSNBC Interview
1/10/2003

There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more. And he has the ability to dispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massive death and destruction. If biological weapons seem too terrible to contemplate, chemical weapons are equally chilling   
Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Addresses the U.N. Security Council
2/5/2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.   
Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
ABC Interview
3/30/2003

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.   
Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
1/9/2003

But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.   
Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
4/10/2003


mrC

[fredster]

Yawn

[lucindrea]

here is the logic i see


somone smashed 2 planes into the towers , the people want a responce , people are scared.

when the first bush was in office we fought sadam and when we had him cornered - we left , this time lets chase binladin into the mountians then leave .... most amercians seem to not like sadam ( based on polls , witch doesnt mean it's correct ) and last time we just walked all over them , lets go their - and we can dirvert the $ used in war to fund contractor friends of ours and make it seem like we are helping the econemy  .... use the fear of the people to justfy a re-election and we can walk all over the rights of anyone we want as long as we make the majority of the people "feel" safe doing it.
Because of all this , no one will notice the mess with the econmey , the medicl industry and all the other crap thats going on domesticly , anytime something bad happens here , flood the media with reports from iraq , after all our education system is so screwed that most of the voters are not educated enugh to think for themselves and will take what the media tells them as truth

[Dartful Dodger]

here is the logic i see


somone [/u] smashed 2 planes into the towers , the people want a responce [/u] , people are scared.

when the first bush was in office we fought sadam and when we had him cornered - we left , this time lets chase binladin into the mountians [/u] then leave .... most amercians [/u] seem to not like sadam ( based on polls , witch doesnt mean it's correct ) and last time we just walked all over them , lets go their - and we can dirvert the $ used in war to fund contractor friends of ours and make it seem like we are helping the econemy [/u]

[lucindrea]

sorry , didnt think i was to be graded on this , thought i was just putting my thoughts out and didnt think the meaning of anything i said would be lost because i type too fast.
next time i'll just type up my post in one of the ~5 scripting langs i know or even in binary , no one will be able to read it , but because it's extreamly rare i make mistkes in those langs., at least i know they would be correct

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Yawn

Spoken like a true patriot!

[Dartful Dodger]

sorry , didnt think i was to be graded on this , thought i was just putting my thoughts out and didnt think the meaning of anything i said would be lost because i type too fast.
next time i'll just type up my post in one of the ~5 scripting langs i know or even in binary , no one will be able to read it , but because it's extreamly rare i make mistkes in those langs., at least i know they would be correct

 
Nice try, but you can't say you were typing to fast and "just putting my thoughts out" on a reply that has:

[DarkKobold]

Tell me when they find a centipede cabinet outfitted with an X-arcade and MAME'd. Then I'll believe that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

By the way, I'm pretty sure Bush reads BYOAC every day, and his policies are deeply effected by the arguments that occur here.

[iwillfearnoevil]

Heres some quotes from the transcript of boxer grilling condi rice. It confirms what me and my 'lefty tree hugger' associates have said in numerous threads in relation to the Iraq invasion

too bad boxer's comments were littered with errors and inaccuracies. well i'll just call a spade a spade and say lies. heck she didn't even read the declaration of war in iraq or she lied about it in the senate.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

too bad boxer's comments were littered with errors and inaccuracies.

Source? Or should I just call a spade a spade...

[iwillfearnoevil]

she said the bill passed by Congress authorizing the war in Iraq was,

[Dexter]

Point is, the war was effectively 'sold' to congress as a necessity because of Iraqs WMDs. Intelligence was misused and manipulated to manufacture the case for an invasion.

If bush had sold the 'bringing freedom for saddams tyranny' line, the war wuld never have happened. Boxers point was manipulation of the truth to begin a war.

[DrewKaree]

Right.  That's the beauty of reading actual words.  We can read them, infer into them what we wish, and THAT'S the real point that needs to be taken away from this. 

Dex, shall we skip merrily along....say.....this time next week?