Small sorta funny analogy for Nintendo/Sega

[subzero23]

Remember the rivalry back in the early nineties? The whitish-gray system versus the black system (SNES vs Genesis) We SNES people hated Genesis and vice versa (my friend, who has access to both emulated still hates Genesis lol) but then after the rivalry was over and they sorta teamed up against the new enemies like Sony and Xbox, but Sony killed off the black system/Sega mean while Nintendo took traits of Sega like by having N64 and GCN black (Sort of a stretch there lol). The rivalry was not just between systems but between people and now it feels like I'm cool with both systems, we're at peace.

And the analogy is...
Yup, ROCKY! And there's so many good fits here.
SNES vs Genesis (White vs black guys) = Rocky vs Apollo Creed
When rivalry was over, they teamed up and became friends.
Then Apollo goes against the new powerhouse-enemy that Russian dude dolph lundgren (Sony... Saturn steps up to Sony, dies...) then Rocky (Nintendo) steps in and spars with Russian dude (although neither die) meanwhile Rocky had been training with the black people and infusing his Italian blood with some black power. Now there's X-box the new guy which is like Tommy Gunn.

[pointdablame]

um... what the hell are you talking about? lol

That is...... very strange.

[subzero23]

Cmon it's such a perfect analogy between the two histories

[Gunstar Hero]

Uhhhhhhhh....

Not feeling ya there man.

Nice try tho. Analogies rock.

I like stories tho. I'm gonna tell one now.

Once there was a kingdom called Ataria... 

[Sephroth57]

dude... get some sleep or something 

[GGKoul]

Sega Genesis Rules!!

[danny_galaga]

sinclair zx80!

[GGKoul]

He's right.  To this day, I don't like Nintendo.  Sega has always had a better product then Nintendo, but Nintendo did a better job marketing the items then Sega could ever have.  Heck, if it wasn't Pokeman, Nintendo would have been done years ago.  As Pokeman saved the N64 and Gameboy.

Sega Genesis vs. NES.  - Genesis 16 bit - NES 8 bit

Sega 32x vs SNES  - 32x / SNES 16 bit

SegaCD - Nintendo never came out with one.

Sega Nomad / Sega Game Gear vs. Gameboy/Vitrual Gameboy - Sega had a much better portable product.  But did a poor job marketing it.

Sega Dreamcast vs N64 - N64 had a better game support.   But the Dreamcast was way ahead of its time.  As its graphics and gameplay is still unmatched.

GameCube - Last in the Latest gaming market behind PS2, Xbox.

Nintendo Gameboy SP / Gameboy DS -- Poor sales and with Sony entering the market with a better product, its only a matter of time before Nintendo loses this market share too.

Can't wait for Nintendo to die off.  As it cannot do what Sega has been able to do.  Develop good games for other consoles.   

[Sephroth57]

ok I disagree with a few things in that post, first off  NES was not vs genesis, it was vs master system which it destroyed. SNES was vs Genesis, which it also destroyed with games like mario, zelda,super metroid, megaman X, CHRONO TRIGGER, basicly all the squaresoft RPGs. Segas exclusive titles were very basic games like sonic which really isnt a reason to buy a system.

32X was a total failure... i owned it, and really it sucked. the only cool thing about it was having DOOM cause i didnt have a PC at the time.

sega CD was also prettymuch a failure, it had like 5 good games. and 80% of them were like dragons lair clones but with grainy video of real life people

gamegear had THE worst battery life ever, and it used 6 AAs!! thats insane

yeah dreamcast owned, this is when sega finally started kicking ass but too late. plus releasing dreamcast in the middle of a generation was a wrong move

[GGKoul]

How do you compare NES vs SMS?  The SMS wasn't really released in North America.

Hey, I played my share of NES and Sega when I was younger.  And for the type of games that I played.  Sega won.

Yes I agree 32x & SegaCD wasn't the best releases ever.  But at the time, they sold very well and had a good following. 

Sega Nomad, I had one and it was great.

Gamegear vs. Gameboy.  Gameboy was a colour screen which lead to its poor battery life.  But it terms of advancements, the GameGear won.  As it had a radio/tv attachment.  And Gameboy was a black/white screen.

I go back to my 1st statement.  Sega had better products then Nintendo, but Sega lacked in the marketing of the products.  Where Nintendo had ok products when compared to Sega, but Nintendo did a much better job marketing.


 

[Sephroth57]

How do you compare NES vs SMS?

[GGKoul]

One thing that screwed SMS was that fact that NES was released before SMS was.

[Dartful Dodger]

Once there was a kingdom called Ataria...

[pointdablame]

Ok, I have to preface this post with the fact that I have no love/hate for either company, but GGKoul.. you have a lot of facts dead WRONG.

First of all, the Sega Master System was available in the US, and it directly competed with the NES.  I owned/still have both and I live in good old NJ.  They were both widely available and were direct competitors.


The 32x and SegaCD do not even hold a candle to the SNES.... 32bit means nothing if the product is a huge turd.  I made the mistake of spending my hard earned lawn mowing money on a 32x.  It was terrible.  And it did NOT sell well at all after the first few months.  The suckers (including myself) bought a lot in the first few months and that was that.   The SegaCD did a bit better in the marketplace but really was lacking a lot.  It was not a very good gaming system.... I doubt you'll find many people who disagree.  It had a few good games, like any system does, but overall it was a huge flop.

Nintendo never did come out with a CD based system because it felt the market wasn't ready for it.  That, and the SNES was doing so well there was no need. I'm sure you know Nintendo was working with Sony to create their SNES CD and broke ties with Sony.  This lead, at least indirectly, to the creation of the playstation.

I agree GameGear was a good product and ahead of the Gameboy, but it wasn't necessarily the "better" one.  I was lucky enough to have both, and loved my GameGear, but once it died in 2 hours, I went to play my gameboy for the rest of the week.   Nomad was very cool though, I always wanted one.

As far as the GBA/GBA SP.... bad sales? What are you talking about man? They have sold millions of those damn things.  It's their best selling product.  They've made a ton of money on GBA already, and the DS is selling like crazy too.   Where did you even get that info?

Plus, you say that gamecube is trailing behind PS2 and Xbox, which it definitely is, but you don't even mention that your beloved Sega doesn't even have a system out. 

And why on earth couldn't Nintendo make good games for other consoles if that's what it came too?   There is a massive Nintendo fan base full of fan boys just like yourself.  For every person like you who swears off Nintendo for no apparent reason, there are people who will buy anything they put in a box with a Nintendo logo. 

Just as sega has Sonic, Phantasy Star, etc etc.... Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, etc etc.   These games will sell no matter what system they are on. 

I will never understand the fan boy mentality of "my system rules, yours sucks, and thats the way it is because I said so"   Why can't you just like what you like without bashing other companies?  There is nothing wrong with Sega, or Nintendo, or Sony..... they all make games.  Some are good, some are bad.  Some systems are better than others, and that can all change the next generaton. 

[Sephroth57]

im glad someone else agrees with me.... it must be cause GGKoul is candadian. never trusts those mounties!

[GGKoul]

Hey!!

[pointdablame]

Hey!!

You crazy Canadians!!!   

[GGKoul]

Hey!!

You crazy Canadians!!!

[Gunstar Hero]

Here's a little, "post crash" console timeline/commentary gents. Enjoy.

The NES outmarketed the SMS. At least on North America/Japan. In Europe the SMS was HUGE and in South America is still was a couple years back. Atari staggered around with the 7800 as well. But overall, Nintendo was the ruler of the 8-Bit console world.

The Genesis was popular here in the States, but not so much in Japan, while the SNES was the exact opposite, well, to a somewhat lesser extent. It was good enough to make SEGA a player again anyways. SNK releases the NeoGeo, wich does little, but kinda hangs around for the next decade. NEC is a player in japan, but is crushed in the US, and Atari sits this one out.  By the end of the 16-Bit era, most people kinda looked at Nintendo/SEGA as co-leaders of the pack.

Atari and Panasonic fired the first shots in the 32/64 bit war. No one cares. SEGA and Sony launch their 32-Bit generation systems in Japan to more or less a tie at first, but pull far ahead in the long run. SEGA tried to pull a fast one and launch Saturn early in the US, but a high price and no killer games hurt them, while Sony launches for $100 less, with MK3 and the most overwhelming ad campaign EVER. SEGA never quite recovers, Atari and Panasonic flame out, and Nintendo enters the market too damn late to do anything about it. Advantage, Sony.

SEGA rallies back with Dreamcast, but is felled by the Sony advertising machine and the cancer of piracy early in the game. RIP. Sony launches the PS2 amid shortages and hype, and has an almost uncontested first year. Nintendo and Microsoft jump in the mix the following year, and the chase is on. That brings us to today. Sony is the clear leader, and Microsoft, while making up ground, is still pretty far back. Nintendo chugs along in third, not ruling the road, but not really sputtering either... just keeping on.

It'll be interesting to see how the next generation of consoles plays out. Sony has a very worthy rival in Microsoft, and Nintendo always has to be considered an outside threat, although Sony and Microsoft would just bury them if they really decided to. It's sad that the " video game" companies have pretty much lost their market to the electronics and software giants tho.

And if you want a handheld one... Nintendo uses the GameBoy/GBP/GBC/GBA/SP to destroy the Lynx, GameGear, TurboExpress, Nomad, GameCom, NeoGeo Pocket/NGPC and Wonderswan. Now Sony is sending PSP to do battle with the DS.

It's anyone's game!

[ErikRuud]

Sega kind of shot themseves in the foot with the 32x because none of the game designers wanted to waste time on it with the Saturn on the horizon.

I read an article a while ago that explained that the 32x was really a development of Sega America that got little or no support from Sega Japan because they were developing Saturn.

[Gunstar Hero]

That's a true statement.

Super 32X was a BOMB in Japan. Here though, it actually sold kinda well at first, and all the users got hung out to dry.

It does have an awesome version of Virtua Fighter for the Genesis tho.

[ErikRuud]

I never had the Virtua Fighter for 32x.

My two favorites for 32x are Virua Racer and Shadow Squadron.

The Star Wars game would have been cool too, if they had given it a real 3d flight model.