Tony Blair Gives Qualified Iraq Apology

[GGKoul]

http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6354998

Interesting.. I wonder if GW would ever do this?

[Dartful Dodger]

He's sorry that his people were split on the war in Iraq, he's not sorry for going to war.

It's something that needed to be done.

I've said this before, when the free oil starts flowing we'll all be happy.

[fredster]

GGKoul,

Blair said "The problem is, I can apologize for the information that turned out to be wrong but I can't, sincerely at least, apologize for removing Saddam," he said. "The world is a better place with Saddam in prison not in power."

Bush said something along those lines. The intel was wrong, but the war was just.  Some of you crafty people find the quote.  

If he hadn't reacted, we'd all say he was a wimp.  Kerry would be pounding he'd go and take care of this threat from Saddam if Bush hadn't.  Because we still wouldn't know for sure, would we?

[DrewKaree]

http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6354998

Interesting.. I wonder if GW would ever do this?

Interesting.  This, coming from the person who said

Yep, I'm not going to post any of that stuff anymore.

.   Are we to take you at your word anymore, or are you willing to fabricate stories of your supposed "high ground" (well, that is, unless it fits your willingness to comment on an election you aren't qualified to vote in.....wait a minute.....have the Democrats offered you cigarettes to vote in New York or someplace close to your border, GG   ).

Admit it, you like to debate politics.  You just got caught up in the touchy-feely goodness that oozed through the linked thread!

Now stop flip-flopping, or else we'll force you to move to Ohio and vote Democrat....wait....they already have enough fraud going on in that state....what's another swing state they need your fraudulent......er....."legal" vote in?  Do you like warm weather?  (FLORIDA LOOK OUT, HERE COMES HURRICANE GG!)

[mr.Curmudgeon]

The world will be a better place when Bush is behind bars and Tony Blair is his beeyatch.

...when the free oil starts flowing we'll all be happy.

Before or after the new wave of Bin Ladens Bush has created start flowing from Iraq?

[GGKoul]

Admit it, you like to debate politics.  You just got caught up in the touchy-feely goodness that oozed through the linked thread!

Now stop flip-flopping, or else we'll force you to move to Ohio and vote Democrat....wait....they already have enough fraud going on in that state....what's another swing state they need your fraudulent......er....."legal" vote in?  Do you like warm weather?  (FLORIDA LOOK OUT, HERE COMES HURRICANE GG!)

I'm Canadian, so I can't vote in the US...  Regardless, if I was able to vote in Florida and I voted Democrat, it'll probably not get counted aways.

Debating politics is fun... but to go into the detail that some of these threads have gone into is wrong in the BYOAC forums.  It used to be fun to post a potilical thread, make a few comments and the threat would fade away. But not anymore.. I mean people call in enforcements to debate on some issues...

Anyways, now that I have done something that I said I wouldn't do...  it looks like I'm heading for a life in politics... "I will not raise taxes"

[DrewKaree]

Admit it, you like to debate politics.  You just got caught up in the touchy-feely goodness that oozed through the linked thread!

Now stop flip-flopping, or else we'll force you to move to Ohio and vote Democrat....wait....they already have enough fraud going on in that state....what's another swing state they need your fraudulent......er....."legal" vote in?  Do you like warm weather?  (FLORIDA LOOK OUT, HERE COMES HURRICANE GG!)

I'm Canadian, so I can't vote in the US...  Regardless, if I was able to vote in Florida and I voted Democrat, it'll probably not get counted aways.

Debating politics is fun... but to go into the detail that some of these threads have gone into is wrong in the BYOAC forums.  It used to be fun to post a potilical thread, make a few comments and the threat would fade away. But not anymore.. I mean people call in enforcements to debate on some issues...

Anyways, now that I have done something that I said I wouldn't do...  it looks like I'm heading for a life in politics... "I will not raise taxes"

why not just make threads about "should I mame this perfectly good mint condition Space Invaders" or "Should I put a frankenpanel on this Centipede?"

The things people find worthy of debate, hey?  

[Dartful Dodger]

It doesn't matter, either way, Bush is going to win.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

It doesn't matter, either way, Bush is going to win.

He said to himself, rocking back and forth, palming his meds.

[Hoagie_one]

im not so sure teh 1000+ dead american soldiers would agree that going to war was the right think.  But dead men dont protest.

[fredster]

teh 1000+ dead american soldiers would agree that going to war was the right think

No, but their wives and their parents can.  Most still support the War.  Some won't and who could Blame them.   Those soldiers deserve our highest respect.  They didn't sacrifice all to be called pawns.

Even one is a tragic.  I was in the Army, and I was in during the first Gulf War.  I didn't think then, and I don't think now either of these wars were without purpose.  

If you go on to read Tony Blair's speech
( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3697434.stm) he goes on to layout the vision for the middle east.  

[TA Pilot]

Interesting.. I wonder if GW would ever do this?  

No.

Because there isnt any reason GW should do this.   There isnt anything for him to apologize for.

Bush did what he thought was right, based on information that everyone thought was correct, because he rightly came to the conclusion that the information showed Iraq to be a threat to the US and other countries.  That Iraq -was- a threat to the US and other countries was never question by -anyone- except the "I hate Bush" crowd - and they had NO support for their argument.

I dont -want- Bush to apologize because I'd rather he make the same decision 100 times over and be wrong each time than for him to not make that decision one and have a nuclear weapon go off in NYC.




BTW:
You started this thread.   I dont want to see any whining about how its not related to arcade games.

[TA Pilot]

The world will be a better place when Bush is behind bars and Tony Blair is his beeyatch.


Only if your name is Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Il, et al.

[TA Pilot]

Im not so sure teh 1000+ dead american soldiers would agree that going to war was the right think.  But dead men dont protest.


You dont know many soldiers, do you.

Ask one.   None of them wants to die for their country.  But all of them will tell you that if they're asked to do so, they will.

Ask a Marine.  

These people understand that there are things in this world bigger than themselves.   You're very lucky people like this are around, whenever they are needed.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Look, we all get that you masterbate while looking at photos of assault weapons. Might you shrink your damn annoying sig picture? Every one of your posts takes up like 20% of the screen. You just not that important dude. jesus.

Btw, I fix it for you here if you care to take a look: link

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Ask one.   None of them wants to die for their country.  But all of them will tell you that if they're asked to do so, they will.

Ask a Marine.  

These people understand that there are things in this world bigger than themselves.   You're very lucky people like this are around, whenever they are needed.

Uh. Don't puff up that chest to far just yet. It seems our soldiers are starting to get the picture and they aren't  too happy to be stepping into the meatgrinder for nothing.

Former soldiers slow to report

A strident minority: anti-Bush US troops in Iraq

See, I wouldn't ask a marine to die for something I wouldn't die for myself. I don't see them as chips in some powermongers poker game. They should have never been sent there, they should have never been lied to. Iraq, not worth ONE AMERICAN LIFE.

When people like you spout off about how proud you are, i'd like to have you to look into the face of every single mother forced to send her son/daughter off to this useless war in the sand and tell them, "If they die, it'll be worth it!"

The sad thing is, I know you could and I know you'd believe it.

Disclaimer: I have family and friends fighting in Iraq. They tell me they want to come home and they hate Bush for sending them there. They aren't fighting for our democracy and they aren't fighting for Iraq's "democracy"...they're fighting to stay alive in Bush's sick fantasy and they just dream of coming home.

[DrewKaree]

MrC, thank goodness you speak for the party of enlightenment, goodness and  light    Perhaps more folks will join with you, thinking that intelligent and reasoned people like yourself are the future of the party.

[danny_galaga]

 jesus.

[size=40]YES?[/size]

[Mameotron]

Uh. Don't puff up that chest to far just yet. It seems our soldiers are starting to get the picture and they aren't  too happy to be stepping into the meatgrinder for nothing.

Former soldiers slow to report

A strident minority: anti-Bush US troops in Iraq

Once again, MrC, you are misrepresenting facts.

The first link you posted refers to indivduals who are in what is called "ready reserve status".  This means that they have already served their 4 years of service and have been released from duty.  At this stage, their only requirement is to keep a set of uniforms ready in case they might be called up.  The period of time you have to spend in the ready reserves is different for each individual, and is based on many different factors.  I spent 3 years in the ready reserve status.
And you wonder why they are late reporting for duty?  They have already served, many of them have seen combat.  They have jobs and have gone on with their lives.  This has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether they think the war is right or wrong, it has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that they have already transitioned back to civilian life.

Your second link refers to soldiers who were promised that they would go home on a certain date, but are now told they will be in Iraq indefinitely.  Of course they're pissed off, who wouldn't be?  But their dissatisfaction has nothing to do with whether the war is right or wrong.

You must also realize that there IS a SMALL PERCENTAGE of soldiers who join thinking that all they have to do is "play army" and have fun shooting guns and blowing up stuff.  When it is time to go to war for real, these people aren't ready for that and start crying about everything from food to uniforms to unjust wars.  Well, these people get no sympathy from me or any fellow soldiers.  The purpose of an army is to fight, and you better realize exactly what that means before you sign your name on that line.

Remember, every single soldier in the armed forces today volunteered.  General Schwartzkopf said it best. If you don't like a policy in the Army, you have two choices: stay and try to change it, or get out and don't worry about it.  Complaining about it gets you nowhere.

BTW, it is a court martial offence to speak badly (to the press) about ANY superior officer, up to the President, in times of war.

[TA Pilot]

Might you shrink your damn annoying sig picture? Every one of your posts takes up like 20% of the screen.

It annoys you?
Good.  It stays.

[TA Pilot]

Uh. Don't puff up that chest to far just yet. It seems our soldiers are starting to get the picture and they aren't  too happy to be stepping into the meatgrinder for nothing.

Wow.   2 'stories' to support your point.
That changes MY mind.




Disclaimer: I have family and friends fighting in Iraq. They tell me they want to come home and they hate Bush for sending them there.

Yeah, sure.
See, I have family and friends fighting in Iraq. They tell me they want to come home, but they understand how important it is for them to do what they're doing.  They respect Bush for doing whats necessary to protect the country.

[danny_galaga]

hey, you haven't adopted mrc's new sig pic. i thought it suited  

[TA Pilot]

hey, you haven't adopted mrc's new sig pic. i thought it suited  

Well, I will give him credit for one thing -

If my penis were that small, I certainly wouldnt post it on the internet.

At least he's honest about himself.

[danny_galaga]

hey, you haven't adopted mrc's new sig pic. i thought it suited  

Well, I will give him credit for one thing -

If my <auto-censored> were that small, I certainly wouldnt post it on the internet.

At least he's honest about himself.

and you didn't post it, he did  

anyway, gotta go do a thing.

HEY!! TAXI....

[saint]

And another thread dies for degenerating into pointless flaming and baiting.