For all those Michael Moore haters.(u'll like this)

[Floyd10]

http://www.zipperfish.com/free/yaafm9-pop.html

Warning: Profanity.

I do see a lot of slanting in this but this isnt for discussing it. I found it funny.

[Floyd10]

http://www.zipperfish.com/free/yaafm9-pop.html

Warning: Profanity.

I do see a lot of slanting in this but this isnt for discussing it. I found it funny.

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Funny. Vulgar.

There.

[DrewKaree]

The most factual thing I've ever heard regarding Moore is that he's fat.  Everything else is a tossup if he gave the info for it.  

I WOULD believe that he has stock in Krispy Kreme...goes along with the "I'm making money and soon will make a movie lamenting the rise of this (company, person, ideology, fill in the blank).

Big Doughnut is taking away the freedom we have to move after lying to us and saying that their sweet treats are HEALTHY!  I haven't worked out how it all ties into the Republican party just yet.   Gimme time.

Oh, and danny_galaga has a red ball.  Pass it on.  He may have gotten an ointment for it, so pass it on quick.

[SirPeale]

I've always like the YAAFM clips.  There's a whole bunch on their site.

[GGKoul]

I can't believe Michael Moore was at the GOP convention sitting with the press.  I thought he was the last person they would allow in to conference.

[Dartful Dodger]

I can't believe Michael Moore was at the GOP convention sitting with the press.  I thought he was the last person they would allow in to conference.

There must have been a all you can eat buffet.

[DrewKaree]

I can't believe Michael Moore was at the GOP convention sitting with the press.  I thought he was the last person they would allow in to conference.

they didn't want to stifle his "freedom of speech"   since he was sent by USA Today.


"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.

"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.


"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
         
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."

There are many soldiers who'd turn over in their graves if they knew they gave their lives so that Moore could kick dirt on the America they fought for.

[saint]

Wow, I just can't let something like this go by again without responding with another perspective. Caveat: Dad was a career army man, I was raised an army brat, almost went into the service but the RIF made that a bad idea, and have nothing but respect and admiration for anyone who is willing to put his life on the line to defend mine.

However:

It is the pen that inspires the soldier to take up arms. It was men with pen, parchment, and words who declared we should be a free country. Would we have fought the War of Independance without the Declaration of Independance?

It is the press who we trust to watchdog government and those we place in charge. It was reporters who broke the news of Watergate that lead the the resignation of a president, not soldiers. It is reporters who raised questions about President Clinton's conduct and WhiteWater, not soldiers.

It is the soldier, the reporter, the police officer, and the lawyer (and forgive me if I've missed someone) who protect the liberties we enjoy in this country. None are asked to give as much as the soldier, and everyone should be proud and grateful that we have citizens who are willing to take up arms and risk life and limb to defend the common good, but all those who protect our liberties are necessary.

It is the very liberties that Michael Moore is being condemned for exercising that the soldier places his life on the line for.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to death your right to say it."

There are most certainly soldiers who disagree with what Michael Moore's opinion is, but I would hope they would understand and believe that the minority and unpopular opinions need protecting as much as any other opinion, if not more so.

I find anyone burning an American flag extremely distasteful -- I love my country -- but it scares me to death to think my government wants to forbid anyone from doing so.

So thank you to those who put their life on the line for me, and protect my right (as guaranteed by the Constitution and the principles under which this country was founded) to speak my opinion and beliefs no matter how popular or unpopular.

--- saint

"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.

"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.


"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
         
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."

There are many soldiers who'd turn over in their graves if they knew they gave their lives so that Moore could kick dirt on the America they fought for.

[DrewKaree]

I can understand the point you're tryig to make.  I just believe ultimately that it is the soldier who protects these freedoms.

 Indeed, the pen DOES inspire them to take up arms to protect what they hold dear, however, they must ultimately make the choice to lay their lives down in defense of the right to say/print that which first inspired them.  Would we have had the War of Independence without the Declaration of Independence?  We can't know, since it's past, but I believe that it could have been possible.  

Putting the words down in paper serves to give voice to that which is already inside a person, something they believe in so strongly that they would make that sacrifice.  It's the straw that breaks the camel's back, so to speak.

I agree to some extent about the press.  I say "some extent" because it's becoming more clear that "journalists" are unafraid to more clearly show their bias nowadays (see:  Rather, Dan or try to find out the overtly left-biased reporter who wrote the AP story about Wisconsin Republicans booing the mention of Clinton when Bush brought it up at a rally, even though audio of the rally clearly shows that it never happened, or the journalist shmokes secretly loves, Coulter, Ann ) and are using their power in a fashion detrimental to their position.  Again, the soldier fights for their liberty to put into print the things they do.  The prime example was in Iraq.  Their army fought to suppress anything against the government.  Clearly if something detrimental to the government would have made it into the press that person would have been punished severely (I hesitate to state killed, because news of killings of people like that obviously wouldn't have seen the light of day, but it's foolishness to think that it didn't happen)

When I say that there would be folks rolling over in their grave, I do not mean that they would want him suppressed, I mean it to say they would be shocked to see the extent to which people would be willing to take those freedoms they fought so hard for.  

[fredster]

Ann Coulter is so hot.  

[DrewKaree]

Ann Coulter is so hot.  

I bet you'd rather kiss Al Franken.  Homer

[Mameotron]

Ann Coulter is so hot.  

I bet you'd rather kiss Al Franken.  Homer

I actually shared an elevator with Al Franken once.  He was amazingly unimpressive.  But then, what do you expect from a 30 second elevator ride where I just kept saying to myself "who is that guy... he looks familiar... isn't he.... no, what would he be doing here..."

[Floyd10]

lol. well if you had talked to him...

[shmokes]

What the hell are you saying Drew?  Do you think Michael Moore would be more useful in the Military, LOL?

Michael Moore is fighting, very effectively for one person, I might add, for something he desperately believes in.  Does his venom for the Republican party affect his ability to step outside his box?  I think it does, but just because a journalist is wrongheaded here and there doesn't mean he hates his country any more than a soldier's partisanship determines whether or not he is patriotic.  Michael Moore will forget more about working hard to make his country a better place than you or I are likely to ever learn.  

And you might consider cranking down the syrupy rhetoric a bit, unless you believe that that the "freedom of speech" that these soldiers were giving up their lives for only meant "freedom of speech that pleases the majority".  

Not to mention that by your standards it would appear that, judging by the makeup of the ground forces in the military (the people actually giving up their lives) it is ethnic minorities and very poor people (those that the American system has worked least for) who appear to love our country the most.  It's funny how middle and upple class Americans, who have it pretty damn good here, just don't really like the place.  Or, at least, they don't seem to be willing to die for it so readily as their economically less fortunate comrads.

[DrewKaree]

What the hell are you saying Drew?  Do you think Michael Moore would be more useful in the Military, LOL?

I do think that...something about friendly fire and all...but he'd cost the military more than he's worth, what with having to build bigger tanks to hold his lard @$$ and all

Michael Moore will forget more about working hard to make his country a better place than you or I are likely to ever learn.

that's so wrong on so many levels I need to duct tape my head....there....I believe SO much in the common man that I think you and I (commoners, we) are WAAAAAAY better suited to comment on the human condition (even though we disagree!) than that donut-encrusted slob.  

And you might consider cranking down the syrupy rhetoric a bit, unless you believe that that the "freedom of speech" that these soldiers were giving up their lives for only meant "freedom of speech that pleases the majority".  

NEVER!  You'll have to pry my syrupy rhetoric from my cold dead han...wait, different argument


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Are the white folks in the "poor people" part of the ground forces makeup?  I see an awful lot of white folks in the armed forces and often wondered where they fit in, since we're overrun with minorities in the armed forces.

we've already discussed the armed forces before, right?  I thought I remembered this coming up before, just don't feel like looking for it right now.

[shmokes]

No no no, Drew.  You're missing something here.  Michael Moore IS working to make his country a better place.  That fact exists separately from the philosophical question of, "What kind of country is best?"  He may, based on that second question, which of course does not have an entirely correct answer, actually be working to make his country a worse place.  But any individual working to make his country a better place is obviously going to be working based on HIS personal answer to that second question.  There's a lot of truth to the saying that goes something like, "The country is run by those who show up."  Michael Moore, has shown up and he obviously cares about what he's talking about.  It's absurd to suggest that he is just in it for the money.  I'm sure he enjoys having lots of money, and I'm sure he hopes to make as much of it as possible, but he is clearly passionate about his democracy.  He has worked tirelessly for a cause that he clearly believes in.  I don't know how he manages to stay so fat, to be honest, lol.

One problem with the theory that you or I are better suited to comment on the human condition is that neither of us have worked hard enough to get our message beyond a message board dedicated to countersinking bolts so they don't show through the top of our joystick-mounting holes in our control panels.  Michael Moore has gumption, if not journalistic integrity (and he's still absolutely nowhere near as disingenuous as some of his competitors -- particularly my girlfriend, whom I would not really classify as disingenuous so much as downright bankrupt of any sense of ethics or honesty whatsoever).

[shmokes]

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Are the white folks in the "poor people" part of the ground forces makeup?  I see an awful lot of white folks in the armed forces and often wondered where they fit in, since we're overrun with minorities in the armed forces.

we've already discussed the armed forces before, right?  I thought I remembered this coming up before, just don't feel like looking for it right now.

As far as I remember I don't think I participated in any debate about armed forces.

Now Drew, I've been over this with you before.  You can't just respond to half of my statement and leave the other half completely out.  

I didn't single out just blacks as being overrepresented in the armed forces.  I said ethnic minorities, which accounts for a lot more than just blacks.  More importantly, though, I also said poor people (which disproportionately describes ethnic minorities in America, of course).  The article you linked to specifically backs my assertion.

[DrewKaree]

...particularly my girlfriend, whom I would not really classify as disingenuous so much as downright bankrupt of any sense of ethics or honesty whatsoever

AHA!I KNEW she was your girlfriend!  What with the whole "methinks you protest too much" and all....GOTCHA!  You are SO busted, Coulter-lover  

I didn't single out just blacks as being overrepresented in the armed forces.  I said ethnic minorities, which accounts for a lot more than just blacks.  More importantly, though, I also said poor people (which disproportionately describes ethnic minorities in America, of course).  The article you linked to specifically backs my assertion.

And that same article backs my assertion that those you speak of use the Armed forces to further themselves...win/win...and the article focused specifically on blacks, but I'd be willing to wager that the same principles would apply to all ethnic minorities.

   *walks away shaking his head, giggling to himself*  I just KNEW he loved her...and man, it was SOOO easy to get him to say it...whaaa-pshhh....whipped!  LMAO

[shmokes]