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Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« on: August 11, 2004, 11:17:25 am »
This individual seeks an executive position. He will be available next January,
hopefully, and is willing to relocate.
 
RESUME
GEORGE W. BUSH
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20520
 
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
Law Enforcement:
- I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the nfluence
of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended
for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.
 
Military:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

College:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.
 
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in
Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in
Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought he Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
- I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

- I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
- I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal
record.
- I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.
- I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
- I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
- I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
- I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
- I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.
- In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that
trend continues every month.
- I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
- I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.
- I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.
- My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron. My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

- I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to
intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
- I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
- I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
- I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in
U.S. history.
- I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the
history of the United States government.
- I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.
- I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
- I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
- I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
- I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
- I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President
since the advent of television.
- I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period.
After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
- I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
- I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously
protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for
protests against any person in the history of mankind.
- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive
attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the
will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world
community.
- I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty
benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime.
- In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.
- I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
- I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
- I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.
 

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
-All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library,
sealed and unavailable for public view.
- All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt
companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
- All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended
regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public
review.
 
PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004!
PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY VOTER YOU KNOW!
 
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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2004, 11:53:50 am »
NAME: John Kerry

RESIDENCE: 7 mansions, including Washington, DC, worth multimillions.

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: Law Enforcement. I voted to cut every law enforcement, CIA and defense bill in my career as a US Senator. I ordered Boston to remove a fire hydrant which I considered unsightly, in front of my mansion, thereby endangering my neighbors in the event of fire.

MILITARY: I used three minor injuries to get an early discharge from the military and service in Vietnam (as documented by the attending doctor). I then returned to the US, joined Jane Fonda in protesting the war, and insulted returning Vietnam vets, claiming they committed atrocities and were baby killers. I threw my medals, ribbons, or something away in protest.* Or did I? My book; Vietnam Veterans Against the War: The New Soldier shows how I truly feel about the military. I deplore the military!

COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. Unlike my counterpart George Bush, I have no higher education and did not get admitted to Harvard nor graduate with an M.B.A

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: I ran for U.S. Congress and have been there ever since. I have no real world experience except that of a gigolo, by marrying rich women and running HJ Heinz vicariously through my wife Teresa.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS: As a US Senator I set the record for the most liberal voting record, exceeding even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. I have consistently failed to support our military and CIA by voting against budgets, thus gutting our country's ability to defend itself. Although I voted for the Iraq War, now I am against it and refuse to admit that I voted for it. I voted for every liberal piece of legislation. I have no plan to help this country but I intend to raise taxes significantly if I am elected.* My wealth so far exceeds that of my counterpart, George Bush, that he will never catch up. I make no or little charitable contributions and have never agreed to pay any voluntary excess taxes in MA, despite family wealth in excess of $700 million.* I (we) own 28 manufacturing plants (Heinz) outside of the U.S.* in places like Asia, Mexico and Europe. We can make more profit from the cheaper cost of labor in those Countries, although blame George Bush for sending all of the jobs out of Country.* Although I claim to be in favor of alternative energy sources, Ted Kennedy and I oppose windmills off Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard as it might spoil our view of the ocean as we cruise on our yachts.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES: None.

PERSONAL: I ride a Serotta Bike.

My Gulfstream V Jet I call The Flying Squirrel.

I call my $850,000 42-foot Hinckley twin diesel yacht the "Scarmouche."

I am fascinated by rap and hip-hop and feel it reflects our real culture.

I own several "Large" SUVs including one parked at my Nantucket summer mansion, though I am against large polluting inefficient vehicles and blame George Bush for the energy problems.

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.
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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2004, 12:33:50 pm »
GGKoul,

Are you Ralph Nader in disguise?   :P



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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2004, 12:48:47 pm »
GGKoul,

Are you Ralph Nader in disguise?   :P

I'm actually Canadian... But I find all this talk about Bush & Kerry fasinating.  

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- Politics
- Gun Control

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2004, 01:34:18 pm »
What kind of political parties do they have in Canada?

Do they speak english or french?

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2004, 01:56:19 pm »
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- Politics
- Gun Control

-Abortion

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2004, 02:05:14 pm »
There are 9 Registered Political Parties in Canada.

Main parties with elected officials:
Liberal Party of Canada (169 MPs / 66 Senators)
Conservative Party of Canada (73 MPs / 26 Senators)
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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2004, 02:05:44 pm »
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- Politics
- Gun Control

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Shhh......

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2004, 02:25:05 pm »
Ok, first off this is horrible Resume writing :)

Second some of the info is based off opinions, not fact.  Like Kerry's views on rap and hip hop.  You ever see his interviews on MTV?

Also both are negative, now list the good stuff for each.  If both are negative who would oyu vote for?  no one?

Is the vehicles Kerry ride suppose to be a negative?  Well then.  If having cool vehicles are a negative I guess no one will ever vote for me if I ever ran for president.  when I get my pilots license and my own plane I will remember to not be tempted to run for president then.  well, at least I know I wouldn't get your vote.

"I ordered Boston to remove a fire hydrant which I considered unsightly, in front of my mansion, thereby endangering my neighbors in the event of fire."
you aren't a home owner, are you?  Unless having hte hydrant removed is against city prdinance that isn't a problem.  The neighbors could have one put in bt their house if that concerns them.  This comment you put down is just reaching for some excuse to not like Kerry.  I hate arguements like that.  They are stupid and not logical.  If you are going to make an arguement make it something worthwhile.

"As a US Senator I set the record for the most liberal voting record, exceeding even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. "
And this is bad?  Well, if you are a conservative I guess so.

Ok, enough about the kerry side, now the bush side
" I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice. "
Let's see you do that task.

"I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes."
Damn it, I hate it when people don't like the electorial system.  Yeah it can be confusing but it was put in place because the popular vote is heavily unbalanced in this country.  That just means the person doesn't understand why the system is in place and why a popular vote would be bad.
Now, I don't like how the last presidential vote ended up, that did suck.  The whole contreversy thing means the system needs to be more bulletproof.  But it is better than a popular vote.  If you go by popular vote city ideals will over come rural ideals in areas.  There is a different set of priorities for areas with higher population that sparcely populated.  That is one of the many reason we have the electorial college, to make it more fair for all voters.  Did you not learn this in high school?

"I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television. "
That's actually a good thing with the way the president talks :)

"- I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period.
After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
- I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history. "

I assume the worst security failure is 9/11.  Ok, it would have happened no matter what president was in office.  you realize it isn't JUST the president's responsibility for that, right?
Also the U.S. has been the most hated country well before George Bush Sr was president!  You obviously don't talk to other cultures outside this country.

"- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive
attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the
will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world
community. "
Are you talking about the attack that was a couple of hours before the ultimatum deadline?
If so you have to get your facts straight.  First, it was a good military strategy to try and get an advantage.  You gotta do that sometimes.  It may not have been a wise diplomatic decision, but it was a wise military decision.  That wasn't the only war something like that has happened.  And at the time the majority of the US citizens was in faavor of taking out saddam.

"I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history. "  
Ok, what type of arguement is this?  Not a well thought out one.




Ok, that's my point of this post.  If you are going to make arguements about something make them well thought out, well backed up with fact, and use references to back up the facts to make your argument more valid :)

Also one pet peve is to have people blme the president for something that is actually one of the other two government branches responsibility.  Remember, we are actually ruled by a three piece government, not one person.

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2004, 03:41:24 pm »
Remember, we are actually ruled by a three piece government, not one person.
I thought that that was the case too, but unfortunatly it looks like we are ruled by the CIA.

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2004, 05:25:44 pm »
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but unfortunatly it looks like we are ruled by the CIA.

Not paranoid are we?
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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2004, 06:36:01 pm »
In all honesty I think that we may have the worst choices for president that we've ever been presented with.  Neither candidate is anyone I'd truely want in office.  

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2004, 06:45:30 pm »
GGKoul,

Are you Ralph Nader in disguise?   :P

I'm actually Canadian... But I find all this talk about Bush & Kerry fasinating.  

Two topics not to ask Americans:
- Politics
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I always thought Canada was a northern state in the USA.  

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2004, 08:36:49 pm »
In all honesty I think that we may have the worst choices for president that we've ever been presented with.  Neither candidate is anyone I'd truely want in office.  

I'll agree with you there.  My current Usenet .sig is:

Bush and Kerry should NOT be in office!
Vote "None Of The Above" this coming election!
Make your vote count!  Get the clowns out!

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2004, 08:37:24 pm »
In all honesty I think that we may have the worst choices for president that we've ever been presented with.  Neither candidate is anyone I'd truely want in office.  

Rice in '08  ;D

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2004, 08:55:23 am »
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- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive
attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the
will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world
community.

It would be a huge stretch to call Saddam's pre-war behavior non-provocative.  

Anyway, I got this in an email a few weeks ago.  Seems relevant here.  I don't claim it's 100% accurate because it's not mine.  I present it because I think the hyperventilating about Iraq is out of hand and no one discusses the positive accomplishments.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.....
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.
That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

FDR...
led us into World War II.  Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...
finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy...
started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson...
turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...
went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and
did nothing.

Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2004, 09:09:02 am »
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Bush and Kerry should NOT be in office!
Vote "None Of The Above" this coming election!
Make your vote count!  Get the clowns out!


How exactly does that work?  If you don't like either one, then Don't VOTE right?
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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2004, 11:13:49 am »
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Bush and Kerry should NOT be in office!
Vote "None Of The Above" this coming election!
Make your vote count!  Get the clowns out!


How exactly does that work?  If you don't like either one, then Don't VOTE right?


No, vote, but vote for none of the above.  I'm not sure ifi it's an option, or if you can write it in.  Or you could just vote for someone else.  There are other candidates, Kerry and Bush are just the most popular.

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2004, 11:51:29 am »
No, vote, but vote for none of the above.  I'm not sure ifi it's an option, or if you can write it in.  Or you could just vote for someone else.  There are other candidates, Kerry and Bush are just the most popular.

Peale, I know you have the best intentions, but...there is no "none of the above" option.  And if you write it in, your vote will simply be thrown out.  So voting "none of the above" is exactly the same as not voting at all, which, of course, does nothing to get either of the "clowns" out.  What are we going to do...just not have a president?  If you're going to vote "none of the above" save yourself the trouble and stay home.  It will have precisely the same effect.

A vote for someone else will also not get the clowns out.  It will just help one clown get in.  If you're liberal a vote for anyone besides Kerry is a vote for Bush.  If you are conservative a vote for anyone besides Bush is a vote for Kerry.  Those are the simple realities of a two-party system.  Some people like to believe that every vote for Nader forces the democrats to take notice of people further to the left and moves the entire political canvas in that direction.  That may be true if you live in a state like Utah, where your vote doesn't count anyway, but if you're in a battleground state any good you do trying to move the discussion to the left is outweighed by the fact that you gave conservatives control of the executive branch and, consequently, the judicial branch.  And it would be disasterous for Nader to succeed and actually get 5% of the vote nationwide, which would give the Green party automatic federal funding for elections.  We have a two-party system.  Having three parties in a a two party system would essentially give us a one-party system, because the liberal vote would always be split up.  Why do you think the Republican party is paying Nader's registration fees in many states?  They want[/b] him on the ballot!

We would need to overhaul our whole election system to make it like Germany's or France's before third parties could work.  Personally, I'd very much like for this to happen.

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Re:Resume of George W. Bush & John Kerry
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2004, 12:16:27 pm »
FDR...
led us into World War II.  Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...
finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy...
started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson...
turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...
went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and
did nothing.


Santoro, I don't think you quite understand what is meant by "preemptive".  In none of those wars did we go into a country because they may at some point in the future attack someone.  In fact, in each of the cases noted there we went in to stop an ongoing genocide.  When we went into Iraq they posed an immediate danger to nobody -- not to us...not to their neighbors.  When the Iraq war is criticized as being the first preemptive war, we are not saying that war is never justified unless we personally are attacked.  

I'm also not saying that each of the wars listed was justified.  I would say, given my limited knowledge of the wars, WWII was absolutely justified.  I don't know anything about the Korean war.  We should probably not have been in Vietnam.  And Bosnia was absolutely justified.  

But the Iraq war (this one, not the first one) DOES set a precedent as America's first preemptive war.  That's fact.  You can still say it was justified in spite of it being our first preemptive war.  But it is, nevertheless, our first.
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2004, 12:20:45 pm »
Hear, hear! on your response to Peale above. Very well said shmokes.

I concur, as well. The electoral college is not really the most representative of the people and our system could definitely use an overhaul.

Peale,
Stating "none of the above", while a valid protest, isn't really productive and only serves to facilitate the greater, of what you'd consider, two evils. If you took the time to weigh the two candidates various platforms you might begin to undertand that there is *no way* they can be considered the same person.

Even if you think they both suck, look at it like choosing between a hurricane and a tornado. If you had a choice, which one would you want to enter your life?

I find it hard to believe that neither of them addresses *any* of your concerns. Are you that far out of the mainstream?

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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2004, 03:29:20 pm »
The electorial college is a very well thought out system. If it wasn't in place, then all the candidates would have to do is work California, NY, Texas and the race is over.  UT and the rest wouldn't matter at all and that would be the end of it.

This argument comes up every now and then but the framers tried to balance that out since large urban populations would cancel out the rural votes.  

Somebody actually wants to remodel our system like France or Germany?

I suppose they could move there and see if the like it first....
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2004, 04:09:18 pm »
Since a few people on here have professed a lack of knowledge of our history, I thought I would take the time to shed some light to what
Santoro posted.

"It would be a huge stretch to call Saddam's pre-war behavior non-provocative."

"Undercover U.S. agents working with the U.N. teams secretly planted a high-tech "black box" device in Baghdad that year to eavesdrop on Saddam Hussein's phone calls, among other Iraqi communications, former inspectors say. The signals then were encrypted in other U.N. data and transmitted via satellite to the National Security Agency headquarters at Ft. Meade, Md"
http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-usiraq23oct23,0,4477844.story


"FDR...
led us into World War II.  Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,an average of 112,500 per year."

In Berlin on December 8, 1941 Hitler declared war on US
http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/us_war.htm
On Dec 11 Franklin D. Roosevelt declared war on Germany


Truman...
finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

June 27, 1950 U.N. Security council passes a resolution calling for member nations to give military aid to South Korea.  http://www.korean-war.com/


"John F. Kennedy...
started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us."

October 24, 1961 President Kennedy sends a letter to President Diem and pledges "the United States is determined to help Vietnam preserve its independence..."
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1961.html

"Johnson...
turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year"

August 7, 1964 - In response to the two incidents involving the Maddox and Turner Joy, the U.S. Congress, at the behest of President Johnson, overwhelmingly passes the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution put forward by the White House allowing the President "to take all necessary steps, including the use of armed force" to prevent further attacks against U.S. forces. The Resolution, passed unanimously in the House and 98-2 in the Senate, grants enormous power to President Johnson to wage an undeclared war in Vietnam from the White House.  http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1961.html


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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2004, 04:18:02 pm »
Seeing as I'm not a French or German citizen, I'm not entirely sure moving to there would give me any better idea of whether or not I would like the system since I wouldn't be able to participate in the elections.

Fredster, your scenario about only California, NY and Texas mattering is way off.  You're just used to the electoral college, so you forget that when Kerry takes California millions and millions of votes that were cast for Bush in that state will go uncounted.  Without the electoral college we wouldn't have red and blue states.  I, for example, live in Utah.  All five of Utah's electoral votes will go to Bush.  There is NO WAY anything will change that.   Kerry will not be stopping here.  But neither will Bush.  It would be a waste of either their time and money.  Without the Electoral College, though, candidates wouldn't write off a state just because they knew a majority of that state would vote for the other guy.  A candidate would go anywhere he could get votes, which, without the electoral college, would be ANYWHERE.  More than 10% of the nation lives in California, yet during campaigning it often goes largely ignored by both candidates.  

There are election methods that jive much better with democracy than the one we use.  There's absolutely nothing partisan about what I'm saying here.  Our antiquated election system hurts everybody -- republicans and democrats alike.  Check out this website for more information

Just think, conservatives: if we didn't have a broken election system Ross Perot would likely not have taken enough votes away from George Bush to put your arch enemy Bill Clinton into office (meaning it was likely ultra-conservatives who effectively voted Clinton into office).  Of course, that also means Ralph Nader wouldn't have put George W into office either.

But that's what a democracy is.  If the people actually wanted George Bush and not Clinton, then George Bush should have been in office (no matter how misguided such a people would be  ;)  )  If the people really wanted Al Gore (which, of course, virtually every single person who voted for Nader would have preferred Gore to Bush) then that's who should have been in office.  I'm a liberal, but I believe in democracy.  I want my elections to reflect the ideals of democracy regardless of whether my guy gets in.
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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2004, 04:50:27 pm »
I want my elections to reflect the ideals of democracy regardless of whether my guy gets in.

I want Bush to win, at any cost.

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Yes..that's a common difference between liberals and conservatives.
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2004, 10:42:31 pm »
You'll have to be more specific.  At best, this is a guessing game as to what you are trying to get at.  Please expound on what you mean.  

Also, and for others wondering how...here is the code to quote someone
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Since a few people on here have professed a lack of knowledge of our history, I thought I would take the time to shed some light to what
Santoro posted.

"It would be a huge stretch to call Saddam's pre-war behavior non-provocative."

"Undercover U.S. agents working with the U.N. teams secretly planted a high-tech "black box" device in Baghdad that year to eavesdrop on Saddam Hussein's phone calls, among other Iraqi communications, former inspectors say. The signals then were encrypted in other U.N. data and transmitted via satellite to the National Security Agency headquarters at Ft. Meade, Md"
http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-usiraq23oct23,0,4477844.story
here's an example of what I'm guessing at.  How does the L.A. Times story tie into what was said?  

Quote
"FDR...
led us into World War II.  Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,an average of 112,500 per year."

In Berlin on December 8, 1941 Hitler declared war on US
http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/us_war.htm
On Dec 11 Franklin D. Roosevelt declared war on Germany

Truman...
finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

June 27, 1950 U.N. Security council passes a resolution calling for member nations to give military aid to South Korea.  http://www.korean-war.com/

"John F. Kennedy...
started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us."

October 24, 1961 President Kennedy sends a letter to President Diem and pledges "the United States is determined to help Vietnam preserve its independence..."
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1961.html

"Johnson...
turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year"

August 7, 1964 - In response to the two incidents involving the Maddox and Turner Joy, the U.S. Congress, at the behest of President Johnson, overwhelmingly passes the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution put forward by the White House allowing the President "to take all necessary steps, including the use of armed force" to prevent further attacks against U.S. forces. The Resolution, passed unanimously in the House and 98-2 in the Senate, grants enormous power to President Johnson to wage an undeclared war in Vietnam from the White House.  http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1961.html

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