DOOM 3 - Official Thread

[SaiNRuB]

http://www.ua-corp.com/

5 years in the making and its time to rock.

The demo should be out a lil after Tuesday so if you dont know if this game is your style or if it will run alright on your system give the demo a try.

I am a lil disappointed about the no co-op but ive seen some mods in progress to enable it so that cool.

If you guys want to talk about strategy our need some help after launch than ask here since ill be glued to my pc after tomorrow and will probably be able to help.

[derek1800]

Wasnt the full version leaked?
Or was it the demo?

[ferrarimanf355]

http://www.ua-corp.com/
I am a lil disappointed about the no co-op but ive seen some mods in progress to enable it so that cool.

Actually, the upcoming Xbox version is supposed to have co-op.  

[GGKoul]

The real game is out right now....  

It'll only be a few days/weeks/months until the Mod community has makes everything you ever wanted in the game available.

Let the fragging begin!!
-GGKoul

[pointdablame]

I have my copy already!!!!  

I'll be installing it in the morning.  I can't wait. I was going to do it tonite, but then I wouldn't sleep at all.

As for the leaked version, a while back an alpha version (actually not even an alpha, just a special E3 build) was leaked.  I got it off of my college network and was able to get it up and running but it was obviously slow and buggy.  I'm really excited to see what the final build turned out like.  

I just hope my system can handle it.

[talem]

CO-op mod is already being made for the pc version. BUY the Game u guys , its worth every penny

[Goz]

I've been playing the game tonight and all i can say is WOW.

graphics encredible, storyline is good, emursible environment, I actuially jumped out of my chair twice and had to check if I pissed myself.

Great Game.... definitely worth every penny... please buy the game

-Goz

[JoyMonkey]

I've been playing it for a few hours now (I think I'm on the third or fourth level) and all I can say is:
BELIEVE THE HYPE!

Creeping through corridors with a flashlight waiting to hear something groan so you can switch to a weapon as quickly as possible really keeps you on edge. Actually, it's kind of stressful; you breath a big sigh of relief once a level is complete and the next starts loading!
Ahhhh.....

[Magnet_Eye]

I tried to play it, but my sad GeForce 2 (64MB) at the lowest setting still can't keep up with this game.  

I am gonna order a new video card from newegg!

I'm pretty sure my system can handle it otherwise...

AMD 2600+ (Barton)
512MB DDR400 mhz ram

yes?

[JoyMonkey]

I tried to play it, but my sad GeForce 2 (64MB) at the lowest setting still can't keep up with this game.  

I am gonna order a new video card from newegg!

I'm pretty sure my system can handle it otherwise...

AMD 2600+ (Barton)
512MB DDR400 mhz ram

yes?

Yeah that'll do fine. I got a new Radeon 9800 Pro from NewEgg last week and it runs great, though I did need to tidy up my PCs cables, install another fan and bigger power supply (due to the Radeons power requirements and some overheating).

[hulkster]

whats the wattage on your power supply?  im going to order a new 9800pro as well but i didnt know how much power i would need.  i have 2 HD's, a cd/dvd rom drive and a cd burner running.  as well as about 4 fans.  how much power will i need to run the 9800pro?  

also, i have another lcd flat panel monitor that im going to hook up to my new graphics card so i can run dual monitors....its not for gaming really, just cuz the lcd is a free monitor from my mom and i wanted to use it.  so i really dont care if i can use it in games or not, but im wondering if will effect the performance graphically if i have both monitors up and running on doom 3?

[JoyMonkey]

whats the wattage on your power supply?  im going to order a new 9800pro as well but i didnt know how much power i would need.  i have 2 HD's, a cd/dvd rom drive and a cd burner running.  as well as about 4 fans.  how much power will i need to run the 9800pro?  

ATI recommends at least a 300w PSU for most users with a R9800Pro. My old PSU was a 300w Antec, I have 4 HD's, a DVD burner and two case fans on an A7N8X-E Deluxe with an AthlonXP2700+.
The 300w came close, but the system was just a little too unstable with the R9800pro installed. It could be that voltage fluctuations were the cause of my troubles and not lack of power, my old PSU was running a little hot anyway. I upgraded to a 420w Thermal Take Silent Pure Power PSU and things have been fine since.

[hulkster]

okay cool....what about the monitor question?

[pointdablame]

Turning on both monitors while playing a game won't really affect gameplay at all.  It will just be on thats all.  You won't be able to move your mouse to it, and depending on the setup of your dual monitors, it may change resolution on ya because of the game.

One good use for dual setups and gaming is hints/walkthroughs on one screen, game on the other.  Only problem is scrolling through the hints if it's a long document... you're kinda out of luck there, unless you wanna keep CTRL-Tab'ing or exiting the game.

[Jakobud]

Regarding the dual monitor thing, in all of my experience using dual monitors with games, the game appears on the primary monitor like normal and the secondary monitor just goes black... there is no desktop or anything like that.  The only way you could see the desktop on the second monitor is if you run the game in windowed (as opposed to fullscreen) mode.

Regarding Doom3... wow... it is scaring me to death... they have done an EXCELLENT job of freaking you out in this game.  There are just some plain disturbing things that are gonna make it hard to sleep tonight i think...

[SaiNRuB]

Ive been playing all night and the sun is coming up. Ive seen things in the last 12 hours that would make a grown gamer weep. Just a little further almost there ....WAIT what was that? OMG they followed me, its an ambush! HOL^ SH&# run while you can forget about me!!!

  This game is awesome, its like a cross of system shock 2 and aliens and im totally into it. The sound and lightning are fantastic, but what really gets me are the animations of all the monsters mostly those imps when they get on all fours and lunge at you with those teeth, thats some scary stuff.

[hulkster]

just curious...what is everyones system like?  heres mine:

P4 2.4ghz
1Gb DDR333 (2700) ram
2 40GB hard drives (7200 rpm)
Raedon 9800 pro (will have soon)

ive seen the latest graphics cards with at least a 3 ghz proc cant even run the maxed out settings on this game smoothly.  crazy.  regardless i think my system will run it fine in 1024 x 768 with medium settings.  thoughts?

[greywolf22]

Played it last night aswell...AMAZING..anyway system specs:

AMD Athlon XP 3000+
GeforceFX 5900
512 MB of DDR400 (3200) ram (soon to be 1GB)
1 160GB HD and 1 40GB HD (7200rpm)

[hulkster]

hmm...did you  max out the settings on it?  ultra settings?  your system is better than mine obviously, but will mine run it on decent settings?

[mr.Curmudgeon]

 

I've got to get a new system. I don't think my P-III 800/GeForce2MX will cut it.

[GGKoul]

I've got:

Athlon XP 3000+
1gb of ram (PC3200)
3 HD (200, 120, 60)
ATI 9700 AIW (Over clocked to 9800 speeds )

And the game runs smooth for me at 1024 x 768 with almost everything on.

Looks good.  


One other thing you should consider is speakers.  I had a 4.1 setup before and upgrade to Logitechs 5.1 z620.  And the game sounds AWESOME!

-GGKoul

[hulkster]

when you say "everything on" do you mean, everything at medium settings or everything at high settings?

[Santoro]

What specs will run it?  

I have an Athlon XP 2400+ 512MB Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB.  Will I need to turn down the detail or anything?

[greywolf22]

Hey Hulkster,

I went with the "system recommended settings", which set me at medium detail and 800X600.  I haven't really played around with the settings much to see how high I can take it before I notice any slow down (will try that tonight, at least bumping up to 1024x768), I also have almost everything turned on (In the advanced setting tab there are check boxes, I believe everything is checked with the exception of anti-aliasing).  Again, I'll play around with the settings and see what kind of drop in performance I notice.  It does look FANTASTIC though.  One problem I seem to have (don't know if anyone else has seen this or not), is that occasionally my sound will go away.  I'll be playing and it will get silent (like it is being turned off)...if I go to the main menu and disable and re-enable the sound it is good again...it only happened twice last night (once in the beginning cut scene and then once during game play), just can't figure out why...I'll have to check their website and see if anyone else encounters it.  I'm using a Sound Blaster Audigy card (the first one), with the latest drivers..so who knows.

Oh one other thing I should mention, I read in the latest version of PC Gamer, that Doom 3 is more dependent on your graphics card then your processor, so I would imagine with a 9800pro you should be able to run things very well (although for the ultra settings I would imagine that would require the latest ATI or NVIDIA cards (x800 ATI?? or the 6800 Ultra cards).

[greywolf22]

Santoro,

Your machine will definitely run it (I think the minimum specs are a 1.5 ghz processor, Geforce 4MX, 384 mB of ram, etc)...again that is just the minimum specs, but your system is well about those.  It automagically detects what system you are running and sets the levels appropriately (of course this doesn't mean that you can't tweak them), you won't be able to run at the Ultra settings, but I've been told that the game looks amazing even on the minimum levels.  I imagine with your setup that you should be able to run with a number of the options turned on.  Again, I haven't had much chance to tweak the settings (dang work gets in the way of what's really important  ), but hope to play around with it a little tonight.  Hope this helps.  

[pointdablame]

When I play games on my dual monitor setup, my second screen doesn't go black.  I had Doom3 on last nite and my other screen still showed the desktop.

I need to play with my settings as well.  My system is running fine at High quality at 800x600, but I'd like to see how far I can take it

[greywolf22]

Hey Point,  what are your system specs

[hulkster]

cool, thanks for the responses guys.  i read somewhere that in order to use the Ultra settings you will need a 512mb graphics card!  yup, not lying...thats the truth.  so dont even try to use those settings.  

[SaiNRuB]

Here is my setup

Intel 2.53B CPU
I845PE MOBO
512MB PC3200
Radeon 9500 NP 128MB
On board AC97 Sound (sounds really good for once, no hiccups our stutter)

Video Quality : Medium
Resolution : 800 X 600

Advanced stuff-

High Quality special effects : ON
Specular Lighting : ON
Shadows :  Definitely ON
Bump mapping : ON
VSYNC : OFF
Antialiasing : OFF


Im getting about 30 FPS, the only time it really stutters is around doorways and outdoor areas.

[pointdablame]

My specs are:

Athlon 2500+ overclocked to 3200+ speeds
1 gig Corsair XMS PC3200
200 gig seagate 8mb cache
Ati Radeon 9800 Pro slightly overclocked

All played on my 18.1" LCD and using my Sennheiser HD580's.  I know that doesn't affect the game, but I <3 my LCD and headphones  

[SaiNRuB]

I just ran fraps to double check if 30fps was in my ballpark.

2004-08-04 18:32:13 - doom3
Frames: 7862 - Time: 179031ms - Avg: 43.914 - Min: 10 - Max: 63

Not bad, i was a lil modest when i said 30 i guess

[Setabs]

cool, thanks for the responses guys.  i read somewhere that in order to use the Ultra settings you will need a 512mb graphics card!  yup, not lying...thats the truth.  so dont even try to use those settings.  

I have been hearing alot about how doom3 and half-life are supposed to be better for the next generation of graphics card and run this gens into the ground.  I am just mad that they dont have multi player for pc.  But if you look at the bottom of the box it  talks about multiplayer support and the requirements for it.

[Jakobud]

Hey guys in the doomconfig.cfg file, change the image_cacheMeg from 20 or 32 or whatever it is, up to something like 96 or 128 (or maybe even more).  It will give you a noticable boost in FPS.

btw, for fps, open the console (ALT CTRL ~) and type com_showfps 1

[GGKoul]

I've been running the game at Ultra Setting at 800x600 and all is well.  No real slowdowns.  But, I'm getting a little tired of running around and just shooting stuff....  I've been there, done that...

Sure the game has great graphics and sounds amazing.  But the game plays the same as playing Doom I, just with updated graphics.  Run-Shoot-Run-Shoot...

-GGKoul

[SaiNRuB]

Hey guys in the doomconfig.cfg file, change the image_cacheMeg from 20 or 32 or whatever it is, up to something like 96 or 128 (or maybe even more).  It will give you a noticable boost in FPS.

btw, for fps, open the console (ALT CTRL ~) and type com_showfps 1

Yes I enabled that tweak and it did give me a nice boost. I set mine to 256, half of my ram. I totally forgot the console command to show fps so thanks for that.

I've been running the game at Ultra Setting at 800x600 and all is well.  No real slowdowns.  But, I'm getting a little tired of running around and just shooting stuff....  I've been there, done that...

Sure the game has great graphics and sounds amazing.  But the game plays the same as playing Doom I, just with updated graphics.  Run-Shoot-Run-Shoot...

-GGKoul

What stage are you on GGKoul?  This game was a lil stale for 2 stages in Delta Labs because i had the imps pattern down cold and would dodge with the sprint key and get point blank with my shotgun and blast em in 1 round. After Delta labs though the story really takes off and you are against some serious adversaries.

[greywolf22]

Jakobud,

Thanks for the tip, I'll make the changes tonight  

[GGKoul]

What stage are you on GGKoul?  This game was a lil stale for 2 stages in Delta Labs because i had the imps pattern down cold and would dodge with the sprint key and get point blank with my shotgun and blast em in 1 round. After Delta labs though the story really takes off and you are against some serious adversaries.

Not sure what stage I'm at.... Sure the story takes off, but the game play is still the same.  Run... Shoot... look for PDA to open the door... Sure that was good 8 years ago, as Doom was the only game in town.... But I think my gaming tastes have envoled since then.  

Don't get me wrong, I love 1st person shooters... but once you get pass the graphics and that the enemy dodge shots... Doom3 is boring.  Far Cry is a much better game then Doom3.

I can't wait for the Mod community releases some kick ass mods for Doom3.  As I don't see myself playing single player mode much longer .

-GGKoul

[SaiNRuB]

Not sure what stage I'm at.... Sure the story takes off, but the game play is still the same.  Run... Shoot... look for PDA to open the door... Sure that was good 8 years ago, as Doom was the only game in town.... But I think my gaming tastes have envoled since then.  

Don't get me wrong, I love 1st person shooters... but once you get pass the graphics and that the enemy dodge shots... Doom3 is boring.  Far Cry is a much better game then Doom3.

I can't wait for the Mod community releases some kick ass mods for Doom3.  As I don't see myself playing single player mode much longer .

-GGKoul

I dunno man, im enjoying the hell out of it. I wasnt expecting anything revolutionary in terms of gameplay but i wanted to feel like i was part of the action. I feel DOOM 3 has done that and added some very much needed traditional gameplay with some very impressive graphics and sound. All i can say is hang in there since youve boughten the game and see it through a lil farther. Im telling you there is some kick ass stuff coming up.

[GGKoul]

I think I'll be happy when I can play Doom3 with 32 other people online...  

[hulkster]

how is that gonna happen?  i thought the multiplayer was only for 4 people.  and i read that the MP was really laggy even across a decent connection?  im sure they will release patches in about a month or so.

[GGKoul]

As of right now multiplayer is limited to only 4 players.  But I'm sure they are going to be increasing that in the near future.  Unless its a bandwith hog....

[TalkingOctopus]

There is already a mod out that ups the multiplayer to 8.  EDIT: There are quite a few mods.  Check them out: http://download.boomtown.net/en_uk/articles/art.view.php?id=5813

I haven't had a chance to pick up doom3, but I wonder if my humble setup can handle it.  

1800+ Athlon XP
512 MB of ram
GeForce 3 Ti500

I don't mind ultra low detail.  Also, I am really on the fence with this game.  Although the numerical review ratings have been high, if you actually go and read review, (esp. gamespot's,) Doom3 does not sound that great.  I may end up waiting until it falls to a more sane price.

[GGKoul]

Thanks for the Link!

Your system should be able to run Doom3 with one of the detail settings.  And when you have the cash, get yourself a new video card and maybe another 512 of ram.

-GGKoul

[TalkingOctopus]

Although I had no intentions of buying it, I ended up coming home with Doom3 after work.  Curse that money sink (ebgames) across the street from my apartment.  The game refused to install and then due to protection it would not recognize the CD in the drive.  So after some troubleshooting and a NO CD patch I got it running.  It runs surprisingly good on my old system AFTER a few tweaks.  

First, I did what Jakobud suggested and set image_cacheMeg from 20 to 128.  This improved performance ALOT.  Then I followed this post I saw:

I found out the reason for this and the solution to fix this problem.

As you already know after installation the game consits only of the doom3.exe and some .PK4 files. Those PK4 files includes the entire game (sounds, videos, textures etc.) in high compressed form.

Normally those files were decompresse during the game.

But this exactly is the problem. Even new CPUs are not able to decompress those files while running the game with good peformance and therfore the game runs very **** also on new computers. I don't know if the develpers of ID-Soft was just too stupid to think about this or if they have an agreement with some hardware manufacturing firms.

How to get around this problem:

It is very simple. Go to your Doom 3 installation directoy and get inside the folder "Base". There are some .PK4 files you have to open each of them with WinRAR 3.3 and extract their entire contents to the Base dir in you Doom 3 installation folder (replace all files if they are any duplicates). Now you have to delete all .PK4 files in the Base folder to prevent the game to use those compressed files agian.

Now the game starts and runs mutch faster!!!

(note: do this at your own risk.  It may prevent multiplayer so make a backup copy first)

After those 2 tweaks, I am running smoothly on 800 x 600 w/ high detail, which is pretty good for my system.  Have fun playing doom 3!

[hulkster]

man, i had the same problem with medal of honor when it first came out.  i had a decent pc rig at the time....my frat. brothers had crappy pcs, but we all wanted to play, so i said i would install it on my pc and then put the no-cd crack on there and give it to the rest of them to play.  so i start installing, only to get installation errors!!!  so my friend puts it on his piece of crap machine, and then applies the no-cd patch and then sends it to me, and it worked fine.  no clue.  ill get doom 3 after my bday at the end of the month here  .  ive read that its just run and shoot as said in this post before...so im not expecting anything ground breaking....just good gory fun.

[Lilwolf]

btw, the ulta setting is for videocards that don't exist yet.  

I have a 9500 -> 9700 so I cant use the latest doom3 drivers (they broke (on purpose the ---daisies---) guru3d's hack).   I set it up as 640x480 when I ran it at 9500 and moved it up to 9700 (double speed) and kept it there.  Silky smooth and I haven't noticed the resolution... So keeping it.

I like the game A LOT... but have no time to play it.. (moving... 1/2 way in new house now... have a few weeks I guess).  

I like that I have jumped a bunch of times... And many times with monsters that have been around for a few levels.  Good job of level design.

Also... as for mobs

DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE COOP VERSION AROUND

its a trojan for finding your ID..  many who tried it initially had their ID's stolen in then few hours.

The 32 person online one is having troubles... but seems to be legit...

And I haven't had time to play with any of the others.

[Darkstalker]

"btw, the ulta setting is for videocards that don't exist yet.  "

Isn't it basically turning on 64-bit uncompressed textures?

[GreenKnight37]

Have you guys heard of the Duct Tape mod?

It lets you use your flashlight and a few weapons at the same time, the Shotgun and machine gun I believe.  I've tried it out and it works really well.

And realistically, you'd be using both anyways.  You've got two hands after all!

http://ducttape.glenmurphy.com/

[pointdablame]

Awesome... that's one of my pet peeves in the game... why the hell can this guy use a flashlight and a pistol at once or attach it to a weapon.  

I'll have to give it a try

[Soulcon]

Anything and everything you might need enjoy.

http://ucguides.savagehelp.com/Doom3/Doom3Guide.htm

-Soul

[Ghoward]

WOW..... I didn't like the game at first, then once the zombies started coming out the game is amazing and the sound is something else.

I can't wait to get it on the Xbox and play it on my 65" TV.

[hulkster]

why in the world would you want this game, much less any other first person shooter on your console!!?!!?  you cannot sit there and tell me that you  prefer the "accuracy" of the gamepad in a fps, over a mouse and keyboard.  it doesnt even compare.  first of all, im a HUGE nintendo fan, and i loved Goldeneye back in the day and stuff, but geez, the controls take a while to get used to and the accuracy for fps are so much better on a pc with the mouse.  i can just see it now, "hey theres a zombie jumping off a platform to my upper right.....hmmm....ill push the right trigger to look right, then ill push the analog stick to look up, and now ill shoot."  wow crazy fast timing and accuracy!  

[GGKoul]

1st person shooters do not play the same with a gamepad.  The best and easiest way to play the game is with a keyboard and mouse.  

Ok, maybe a gamepad is better against a KB only... But KB & Mouse rock.

[Ghoward]

why in the world would you want this game, much less any other first person shooter on your console!!?!!?  you cannot sit there and tell me that you  prefer the "accuracy" of the gamepad in a fps, over a mouse and keyboard.  it doesnt even compare.  first of all, im a HUGE nintendo fan, and i loved Goldeneye back in the day and stuff, but geez, the controls take a while to get used to and the accuracy for fps are so much better on a pc with the mouse.  i can just see it now, "hey theres a zombie jumping off a platform to my upper right.....hmmm....ill push the right trigger to look right, then ill push the analog stick to look up, and now ill shoot."  wow crazy fast timing and accuracy!  

I never used to like game consoles and the Xbox is the first system I've ever bought but games seem to be better on the Xbox over the PC versions and you don't have to go out and buy a ton of upgrades very time a new doom style game comes out like I have been doing for the last 10 years or so on the PC.

But you do however have a valid point when it comes to game control.

Gary

[hulkster]

good point about the upgrades on a pc....with a console, you know the game will run great on your console and wont have to worry about it, but if you think about it, you will buy the next console when it comes out in a year  or two, so thats like upgrading.  

[Ghoward]

That is true to it's still cheaper to buy a new console every few years than the mega upgrades I always find myself buying for a new Doom style game.

I have spent so much money in the past upgrading just to play Doom and Quake as I always seem to like playing the games with the highest settings in detail etc.....But I'm sure once I've played Doom 3 for a few more weeks I'll be down at the store buying new parts for my pc again just to get the best out of it.

Gary

[GGKoul]

Doom3 Arcade Edition.

[menace]

so whats with the flashlight?  I haven't played it yet so I'm a little behind here...

[GGKoul]

The game is very dark.  So you need a Flashlight too see things... But when your in Flashlight mode, you can't quickly change to a weapon too shot something.  You need to select the weapon you want to use via the KB, then you can shoot.  You cannot hold both the flashlight and a gun at the sametime.  

So when you have a weapon drawn, you cant see anything in the dark places and when you have a flashlight, you can't shoot anything you see.

It's a bit of a pain.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I'm suprised they would design something like this into the game. Didn't they play-test it in-house first? Video games are primarily about game play first and graphics second, so this flash-light deal sounds like a horrible novelty. I don't have Doom3 yet but that aspect already sounds annoying.

Looks like there is mods out to correct it though.
http://www.fileplanet.com/files/140000/143916.shtml (pistol flashlight)
http://www.fileplanet.com/files/140000/143993.shtml (machine-gun flashlight)

[Soulcon]

Annoying yes but what they where striving for was the fumble aspect. Your walking around and then all of a sudden BOO. You start to fumble around to bring up your gun and drop the flashlight or something. Fumbling the whole way. It just adds to the helpless jumpy "ITS GONNA EAT ME" Factor . They always give you a place to go or run or space to draw before anything gets ya even with fumble factor .

-Soul

[Lilwolf]

I personally love the flashlight.

Set up the flashlight into button 2... Click it and flashlight... click it again, last weapons back.

And sometimes you go dark because you think they might have added something around that corner.

You should be trying to freak yourself out... Otherwise you aren't getting your moneys worth.

[JoyMonkey]

I'm all in favor of the flashlight too. One of the funny things about it though; if you come across a corpse lying on the floor and hit it twice with the butt of your flashlight it completely disintegrates - their brains fly fly out of their skull and their flesh disappears, then they're just gone! That's one tough flashlight!

[hulkster]

Video games are primarily about game play first and graphics second,

that's why most xbox games suck.  halo was great because it actually had good gameplay AND great graphics, but most of their games are either all or nothing.  i guess doom 3 is suffering the same fate.

[shmokes]

that's why most xbox games suck.  halo was great because it actually had good gameplay AND great graphics, but most of their games are either all or nothing.  i guess doom 3 is suffering the same fate.

You're giving me an eye headache.

[hulkster]

my sentiments exactly!  i dont like xbox games either

[GGKoul]

my sentiments exactly!  i dont like xbox games either

But nothing beats a modded xbox with 200g HD and all of your games on it...

[greywolf22]

Not sure if you guys are already aware of this or not, but if you use the default flashlight key [F] you can cycle between the flash light and the last weapon used.  Just press [F] to go to your flashlight and then press [F] again and it will go to the last weapon you were holding before going to the flashlight.  Just a little FYI for those who aren't already aware

[pointdablame]

Not sure if you guys are already aware of this or not, but if you use the default flashlight key [F] you can cycle between the flash light and the last weapon used.  Just press [F] to go to your flashlight and then press [F] again and it will go to the last weapon you were holding before going to the flashlight.  Just a little FYI for those who aren't already aware

Doesn't one of the first cinematics in the game explain that to you?  

[greywolf22]

Won't be the first time I've stated the obvious  

[hulkster]

my sentiments exactly!  i dont like xbox games either

But nothing beats a modded xbox with 200g HD and all of your games on it...

hmmm, or you could just buy a pc, since all the good xbox games come out on pc anyway (i.e. halo, knights of the old republic, splinter cell).  i mean, why buy an xbox for exclusive titles when the BEST ones come out for PC?  that one kinda baffles me on microsofts side.  

[Ghoward]

my sentiments exactly!  i dont like xbox games either

But nothing beats a modded xbox with 200g HD and all of your games on it...

hmmm, or you could just buy a pc, since all the good xbox games come out on pc anyway (i.e. halo, knights of the old republic, splinter cell).  i mean, why buy an xbox for exclusive titles when the BEST ones come out for PC?  that one kinda baffles me on microsofts side.  

That is true but you have to buy a top of the line pc to run everything right, or buy a Xbox and be done.

Gary

[hulkster]

yeah, but you also have to deal with the xbox controller.....which sucks!  although theyve modified the controller and made it smaller since it came out, i remember when they first released the xbox....there was an article from ign.com reviewing the xbox saying that the controler "seeing how big it is, i believe the xbox controller was designed specifically for the hands of Rock Biter from the Neverending Story!"    funny stuff...funny...because its true.  alright, enough of xbox bashing.  i love boobs.