Main Restorations Software Audio/Jukebox/MP3 Everything Else Buy/Sell/Trade
Project Announcements Monitor/Video GroovyMAME Merit/JVL Touchscreen Meet Up Retail Vendors
Driving & Racing Woodworking Software Support Forums Consoles Project Arcade Reviews
Automated Projects Artwork Frontend Support Forums Pinball Forum Discussion Old Boards
Raspberry Pi & Dev Board controls.dat Linux Miscellaneous Arcade Wiki Discussion Old Archives
Lightguns Arcade1Up Try the site in https mode Site News

Unread posts | New Replies | Recent posts | Rules | Chatroom | Wiki | File Repository | RSS | Submit news

  

Author Topic: The Gold Mine  (Read 98692 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

allroy1975

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 980
  • Last login:November 11, 2023, 08:51:48 pm
  • I'm a dork!
    • Matt's Mame
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #200 on: September 11, 2004, 11:40:29 am »
Stunning.  I think this is my favorite cab.  Would make a great Golden Tee game.  :)

Allroy
They have the FAST Ms. Pac-Man!  MOM!  Can I have a quarter!??

RayB

  • I'm not wearing pants! HA!
  • Trade Count: (+4)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 11279
  • Last login:July 10, 2025, 01:33:58 am
  • There's my post
    • RayB.com
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #201 on: September 11, 2004, 01:48:01 pm »
Jeezus, I hope you never have to move.
I'm not a real big fan of huge behemoths like that... To each his own!  ;D
NO MORE!!

MiKman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 360
  • Last login:March 25, 2018, 12:28:45 pm
  • Blah
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #202 on: September 11, 2004, 03:15:17 pm »
Jeezus, I hope you never have to move.
I'm not a real big fan of huge behemoths like that... To each his own!  ;D


It really is a HUGE :o machine for sure. BUT if you have been following the thread you would know that it breaks down quite easily into managable pieces for moving.

patrickl

  • I cannot know for certain which will be tastiest
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4614
  • Last login:August 27, 2021, 09:25:30 am
  • Yo momma llama
    • PocketGalaga
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #203 on: September 11, 2004, 04:49:52 pm »
Jeezus, I hope you never have to move.
I'm not a real big fan of huge behemoths like that... To each his own!  ;D


It really is a HUGE :o machine for sure. BUT if you have been following the thread you would know that it breaks down quite easily into managable pieces for moving.
Looks like even the "manageable pieces" are bigger than a regular cab though  8)

I'm also not so much a fan of the design (the size and ergonomics aren't really my taste), but I'm really impressed by the astonishing craftsmanship. I just can't get over how everything seems to be built with sub millimeter precision.
This signature is intentionally left blank

pocketbikez

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 179
  • Last login:January 16, 2005, 06:23:36 pm
  • INSERT COINS
    • my arcade cabinets
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #204 on: September 11, 2004, 05:33:14 pm »
i hope when krawdaddy makes a webpage for the cab he includes a few step-by-step guides on how he did a few things like the router jig cuts and how he did the laminate cuts in the hard to reach places.

AmericanDemon

  • The Reason the short bus was invented... 100% Slacker Guaranteed, 4:20 yet?
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1357
  • Last login:September 22, 2019, 11:08:03 pm
  • Still an AmericanDemon
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #205 on: September 11, 2004, 08:00:10 pm »
Krawdaddy, I know I may have not told you before today this, but.

I love you.

;)  That cabinet ROCKS.

Matt, GoC

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 247
  • Last login:August 18, 2005, 02:00:07 am
  • Must... stop... itching!!!
    • GameOn!
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #206 on: September 12, 2004, 03:35:29 pm »
"That's one big motha..."
"Shut yo mouth!"
"I'm only talkin' 'bout Nostalgia!"
"We can dig it!"

KrawDaddy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 329
  • Last login:February 19, 2007, 06:37:04 pm
  • I am a LOSER
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #207 on: September 12, 2004, 10:26:04 pm »
Is it really that huge?   ;)
All I ask is that my routers obey me as though they would the word of GOD!

walls83

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1146
  • Last login:July 10, 2017, 02:58:45 pm
  • beer is good
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #208 on: September 12, 2004, 10:29:15 pm »
ya shes pretty big but to hell with it.  That thing rocks.
"A true warrior enters the arena with all his powers at the ready." ~ Gouki

KrawDaddy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 329
  • Last login:February 19, 2007, 06:37:04 pm
  • I am a LOSER
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #209 on: September 12, 2004, 10:33:30 pm »
ya shes pretty big but to hell with it.  That thing rocks.

Just please dont forget this is my first cab.  And its my own design.  There are areas that Iam going to change on the next cab to slim it down some.
Ive never even built a CP yet!





All I ask is that my routers obey me as though they would the word of GOD!

lint

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 24
  • Last login:November 04, 2008, 02:52:13 pm
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #210 on: September 13, 2004, 01:43:15 pm »
i think its a great cab. unique design, and the size is proportionate to the giant rotating monitor. Its better than a thousand remakes of a SF cab...and your woodworking is excellent.

And also by the looks of you, i certainly wouldnt insult the cab to your face :)

Witchboard

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2002
  • Last login:January 05, 2022, 09:09:24 pm
    • Oklahoma Coin-Operated Collectors
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #211 on: September 13, 2004, 02:44:09 pm »
Whadya mean?  Kraw's the kid playing the cabinet.  ;D

dmsuchy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 378
  • Last login:December 19, 2009, 09:00:08 pm
  • I kill communist llamas for fun.
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #212 on: September 13, 2004, 08:30:40 pm »
Only needs a keyboard drawer, just kiddin looks great.

Pixelhugger

  • Trade Count: (+8)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1865
  • Last login:March 24, 2025, 05:45:13 pm
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #213 on: September 14, 2004, 12:36:07 am »
Is it really that huge?   ;)

Yep. And its a $#%**# MASTERPIECE!  :o :o I agree the size is proportional to the rotating monitor. How many cabs have a TWENTY SEVEN INCH rotating monitor!?? Not a whole lot of dead space when the screen is horizontal from the looks of the bezel/frame. MAN! What I wouldn't give to have been a kid playing on that larger than life piece of work growing up. Anyone who doesn't think this is a huge leap in custom cab design is sorely mistaken. Sheer beauty, that. Finish the beast so it can go in the hall of fame.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2004, 12:37:04 am by Pixelhugger »
Project mega thread HERE

Matt, GoC

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 247
  • Last login:August 18, 2005, 02:00:07 am
  • Must... stop... itching!!!
    • GameOn!
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #214 on: September 14, 2004, 12:37:21 am »
I can see people making "Mini" versions of that impressive design.  It's certainly in no danger of tipping over is it ;D ?  Can't wait to see it turn out!

Gunstar Hero

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 941
  • Last login:September 28, 2014, 01:51:17 am
  • Back in action!
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #215 on: September 14, 2004, 02:59:57 am »
Holy moley, that thing is a MONSTER.

Sweet as hell tho.

I'm now dying to see the finished project!

danny_galaga

  • Grand high prophet of the holy noodle.
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 8522
  • Last login:July 18, 2025, 01:09:20 am
  • because the mail never stops
    • dans cocktail lounge
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #216 on: September 14, 2004, 06:46:04 am »
dunno why i never saw this before. looks fantastic!! what an original design. my own view is that you don't need a marquee but then it's not mine now is it?  :)

you definitely want to use a motor on your rotating monitor. it'll have to be a bit gutsier than the one i use but i'm sure something will come along at the right price. hooray for rotating monitors!! once you've had one there's no going back i reckon...


ROUGHING UP THE SUSPECT SINCE 1981

KrawDaddy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 329
  • Last login:February 19, 2007, 06:37:04 pm
  • I am a LOSER
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #217 on: September 14, 2004, 06:35:41 pm »
Jeezus, I hope you never have to move.
I'm not a real big fan of huge behemoths like that... To each his own!  ;D


Thanks for the feedback!  ::)
All I ask is that my routers obey me as though they would the word of GOD!

Santoro

  • Purveyor of Shiny Arcade Goodness
  • Santoro
  • Trade Count: (+32)
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3055
  • Last login:July 14, 2025, 03:43:29 pm
  • Boycott Quarters!!!
    • ArcadeReplay!
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #218 on: September 14, 2004, 10:46:03 pm »
KrawDaddy

You shouldn't feel you have to defend your design.  It is groundbreaking and unique, and the craftsmanship is better than any cab I have seen to date.  It is obviously wider than most cabs but this isn't necessarily a negative - it enables the huge rotating monitor which is well worth it in my book.

Unfortunately there are always going to be folks tossing negative opinions around.  Personally I just don't comment if I don't like something.  It just seems a bit nicer.  

Just please dont forget this is my first cab.  And its my own design.  There are areas that Iam going to change on the next cab to slim it down some.
Ive never even built a CP yet!

SNAAKE

  • Trade Count: (+29)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3564
  • Last login:July 17, 2025, 02:07:33 pm
  • my joystick is bigger than your joystick !
Re:Nostalgia - Formica Started! Feedback?
« Reply #219 on: September 14, 2004, 11:29:44 pm »


You interested in doing some artwork?



I am,so I get to be the guy who worked on the artwork for this unique cabinet ! :D
However,it really depends on what theme you will be interested in.Making fighters related stuff is cake now a day but I am not sure about old school stuff like pacman,galaga,etc.The cab looks great btw..diggin all that angles and corners ! 8)
« Last Edit: September 14, 2004, 11:36:00 pm by SNAAKE »

AmericanDemon

  • The Reason the short bus was invented... 100% Slacker Guaranteed, 4:20 yet?
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1357
  • Last login:September 22, 2019, 11:08:03 pm
  • Still an AmericanDemon
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #220 on: September 15, 2004, 09:21:07 pm »
Krawdaddy, I think you should have a contest on your artwork.  It would be an honor to have your artwork on that cabinet.

KrawDaddy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 329
  • Last login:February 19, 2007, 06:37:04 pm
  • I am a LOSER
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #221 on: September 15, 2004, 09:41:04 pm »
I havent talked to SNAAKE yet but I have talked to Pixelhugger and he's already helping out other BYOAC people.  Iam really at a loose as to what Id use for a theme.  I do know Id like to use the same graphics theme on future versions of the cabinet. (Ive got some plans for a slimmer version under the table) If anyone is interested maybe they could throw up a few graphic ideas.  The gold mine would be sweet but how the hell do you do that?  Besides that Iam not a fighter guy but I do like early eighties stuff, also, I collect Atari 2600.  SNAAKE is prolly sniffeling over the fighter theme letdown.

I will pay for any final graphic files

If anyone could do the Gold mine theme it would be Pixel or SNAAKE!

Kind Regards\

Kraw
« Last Edit: September 15, 2004, 09:44:01 pm by KrawDaddy »
All I ask is that my routers obey me as though they would the word of GOD!

HaRuMaN

  • Supreme Solder King
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+45)
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 10328
  • Last login:July 14, 2025, 02:03:34 pm
  • boom
    • Arcade Madness
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #222 on: September 16, 2004, 12:44:06 pm »
 :o*drool* :o

I'm speechless....  that is an awesome cab.  I can't wait to see the end results!!  Keep up the good work, and keep the pics coming!

jagnogg

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 33
  • Last login:November 03, 2006, 01:43:21 pm
  • I'm not wearing any pants.
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #223 on: September 17, 2004, 12:07:54 pm »
Quote
"...If anyone is interested maybe they could throw up a few graphic ideas. The gold mine would be sweet but how the hell do you do that?  Besides that Iam not a fighter guy but I do like early eighties stuff, also, I collect Atari 2600.  SNAAKE is prolly sniffeling over the fighter theme letdown.

I will pay for any final graphic files

If anyone could do the Gold mine theme it would be Pixel or SNAAKE!

Kind Regards\

Kraw


This really doesn't follow the goldmine idea exactly, but I was thinking it would be cool to have a bunch of gold coins that had classic game figures on them - pacman, mario, etc. Check out the BYOAC token thread below to get an idea of what I'm envisioning. Pixelhugger did a great job rendering various examples. Maybe have a dragon's lair type treasure room full of these coins and other arcade related golden trinkets laying around? That sort of goes along with the goldmine idea and it incorporates classic gaming elements. Just thinking outloud.

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=13;action=display;threadid=19172

KrawDaddy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 329
  • Last login:February 19, 2007, 06:37:04 pm
  • I am a LOSER
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #224 on: September 18, 2004, 01:37:54 am »
Quote
"...If anyone is interested maybe they could throw up a few graphic ideas. The gold mine would be sweet but how the hell do you do that?  Besides that Iam not a fighter guy but I do like early eighties stuff, also, I collect Atari 2600.  SNAAKE is prolly sniffeling over the fighter theme letdown.

I will pay for any final graphic files

If anyone could do the Gold mine theme it would be Pixel or SNAAKE!

Kind Regards\

Kraw





This really doesn't follow the goldmine idea exactly, but I was thinking it would be cool to have a bunch of gold coins that had classic game figures on them - pacman, mario, etc. Check out the BYOAC token thread below to get an idea of what I'm envisioning. Pixelhugger did a great job rendering various examples. Maybe have a dragon's lair type treasure room full of these coins and other arcade related golden trinkets laying around? That sort of goes along with the goldmine idea and it incorporates classic gaming elements. Just thinking outloud.

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=13;action=display;threadid=19172


Can ya do it SNAAKE?   :D
All I ask is that my routers obey me as though they would the word of GOD!

Matt, GoC

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 247
  • Last login:August 18, 2005, 02:00:07 am
  • Must... stop... itching!!!
    • GameOn!
Re:Nostalgia - Artwork? Where are you SNAAKE?
« Reply #225 on: September 18, 2004, 02:43:05 am »
Ouch!  I just noticed SNAAKE was banned for abusive postings :'( !  I don't think he'll reply...

Check his profile

EDIT:  Wait...  There's SNAAAKE, who is banned, and SNAAKE who is not...  Huh ???
« Last Edit: September 18, 2004, 02:46:36 am by Matt, General of Chaos »

Pixelhugger

  • Trade Count: (+8)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1865
  • Last login:March 24, 2025, 05:45:13 pm
Re:Nostalgia - Artwork? Where are you SNAAKE?
« Reply #226 on: September 18, 2004, 03:57:08 am »
Check PM. Like I said I'm backlogged for a while but I'd like to talk about this.
Project mega thread HERE

SNAAKE

  • Trade Count: (+29)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3564
  • Last login:July 17, 2025, 02:07:33 pm
  • my joystick is bigger than your joystick !
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #227 on: September 18, 2004, 03:58:17 am »
So we go for coins dropping with classic chracters on the coins or something like that)  ? Not too sure where the theme is going but you can start working on the buttons,track,spinner placement and I will try to come up with something cool(on 56k for like atleast another week..heavy rain around here busted the cable line or somethin I didnt get a clear answer from my ISP yet)

Pixelhugger can definettly do better things in illustrator though since he is a professional graphic designer(guessing??) and I just know photoshop.

Santoro

  • Purveyor of Shiny Arcade Goodness
  • Santoro
  • Trade Count: (+32)
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3055
  • Last login:July 14, 2025, 03:43:29 pm
  • Boycott Quarters!!!
    • ArcadeReplay!
Re:Nostalgia - Check it out! Feedback?
« Reply #228 on: September 18, 2004, 10:10:19 am »
Pixelhugger can definettly do better things in illustrator though since he is a professional graphic designer(guessing??)

That is true.

KrawDaddy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 329
  • Last login:February 19, 2007, 06:37:04 pm
  • I am a LOSER
Re:Nostalgia - first artwork submission
« Reply #229 on: September 18, 2004, 12:48:48 pm »
Heres the first submission!
All I ask is that my routers obey me as though they would the word of GOD!

AmericanDemon

  • The Reason the short bus was invented... 100% Slacker Guaranteed, 4:20 yet?
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1357
  • Last login:September 22, 2019, 11:08:03 pm
  • Still an AmericanDemon
Re:Nostalgia - first artwork submission
« Reply #230 on: September 18, 2004, 06:13:07 pm »
Wow

Witchboard

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2002
  • Last login:January 05, 2022, 09:09:24 pm
    • Oklahoma Coin-Operated Collectors
Re:Nostalgia - first artwork submission
« Reply #231 on: September 18, 2004, 06:59:12 pm »
I like the contrast of the blue and gold.  Have you already decided on button/joystick colors?

KrawDaddy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 329
  • Last login:February 19, 2007, 06:37:04 pm
  • I am a LOSER
Re:Nostalgia - first artwork submission
« Reply #232 on: September 18, 2004, 09:56:54 pm »
I like the contrast of the blue and gold.  Have you already decided on button/joystick colors?

No not yet.  Ive just finished sealing the bare wood and am installing the coin door and wheels.  My girl freind has given me a corner in the LIVING ROOM for the beast. ????????????????

Anyway,  Iam ready to start work on the CP, I wanted everything else to be finished first.  So ill need some sugestions on the colors.

I really like the way the theme is headed, all though i envisioned brown stone on gold.


Also if enyone is interested Ive think Ive found a cheap viable flexiable marquee molding.
All I ask is that my routers obey me as though they would the word of GOD!

Witchboard

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2002
  • Last login:January 05, 2022, 09:09:24 pm
    • Oklahoma Coin-Operated Collectors
Re:Nostalgia - first artwork submission
« Reply #233 on: September 18, 2004, 10:01:41 pm »
That's good.  That way you can see what colors will fit your finished artwork.  If you're wanting to base them on that.

Brown and gold seem pretty close colors to me.  I think it would turn out looking kinda monochromatic.  But hey, unfortunately, it's not my cabinet.  ;D

NIVO

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1256
  • Last login:March 20, 2025, 03:33:34 pm
  • danny_galaga is my mail man.
    • N.A.M.E. - arcade cabinet project
Re:Nostalgia - first artwork submission
« Reply #234 on: September 19, 2004, 05:30:30 am »
here's a quickie i have thrown together. Not hi-res but just a general idea.

melarky

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 468
  • Last login:July 12, 2020, 12:49:22 pm
  • If I could be any animal, I would be a llama
Re:Nostalgia - first artwork submission
« Reply #235 on: September 20, 2004, 06:31:51 pm »
KrawDaddy,

I'm interested in your possible cheap viable flexible marquee molding.  I would love to hear any ideas and suggestions.

KrawDaddy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 329
  • Last login:February 19, 2007, 06:37:04 pm
  • I am a LOSER
Re:Nostalgia - first artwork submission
« Reply #236 on: September 23, 2004, 12:26:29 am »
Ive been busy lately hopefully I can get some work done on the cab.

I have sealed all bear surfaces, and glued and painted the bezel.

Ive ordered two of the betson long shaft 4 way joysticks and ill be ordering the rest from happ tommarrow.  

As you can see its now sitting in my living room.  Now to formica the CP.

The screw are backed out of the bezel alittle to allow the paint to dry.
All I ask is that my routers obey me as though they would the word of GOD!

KrawDaddy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 329
  • Last login:February 19, 2007, 06:37:04 pm
  • I am a LOSER
Re:Nostalgia - first artwork submission
« Reply #237 on: September 23, 2004, 12:27:59 am »
 ;)

BTW nice artwork!
All I ask is that my routers obey me as though they would the word of GOD!

tcleary

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 166
  • Last login:October 12, 2021, 12:30:19 am
  • I'm a llama!
Re:Nostalgia
« Reply #238 on: October 07, 2004, 01:25:15 pm »
2 weeks no update?

Witchboard

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2002
  • Last login:January 05, 2022, 09:09:24 pm
    • Oklahoma Coin-Operated Collectors
Re:Nostalgia
« Reply #239 on: October 07, 2004, 07:08:17 pm »
He's got to be working on that control panel.   ;D