hypotheticly could it be done?

[Sephroth57]

if you wanted to hook up a console game, lets just say PS2 running popn music. to coinslots somehow so people had to put money in to play, would it be possible?

the only thing i could think of was when u put a quarter in it triggers some sort of timer, which will allow power to the buttons, and say each quarter would be 5 minutes of play. once the timer runs out power to the buttons are cut and youre done...

could something like this be done?

[Sephroth57]

oh and please dont move this to the consoles section... its not completely about consoles and that forum is pretty dead

[Generic Eric]

This post is better suited in the console forum, as it relates to the PS2 console.  

Trying to make money of a game is bad, unless you desinged, built, sold etc it yourself .  But I am sure you know that.

There was something like this for another console, but as I recall, it didn't support all of the games for whatever console it was.  Don't remember.

The best I can figure is wire your start button to the coin door.  Don't really know how practical it is.  Don't have that game, so I don't know if it will work.

[Sephroth57]

this is NOT just for consoles, it could be used for PC games that arent in MAME as well. PS2 was just my example

please move this back the console forum is a sewer of dead posts...

[Luxury]

please move this back the console forum is a sewer of dead posts...

And the console forum loves you too.  

[Dave_K.]

Yeah, just for that comment, I don't think we should answer his question....even though there is a devicde out there that does what he wants for the Playstation2.  Its similar to the MGCD device for dreamcast.

[Floyd10]

lol, he just wants an answer. Yes you can hypothetically

[Sephroth57]

lol im not insulting you console board gurus, im just pissed off i always post questions that slightly have to do with consoles on the main page and i look 10 min later "moved to consoles" its just retarted cause i want input from a lot of people and theres like 10 people that actually read this board... but whatever


anyway, so there is already some kind of program or mechanism that does this? any links please?

[Sephroth57]

This post is better suited in the console forum, as it relates to the PS2 console.  

Trying to make money of a game is bad, unless you desinged, built, sold etc it yourself .  But I am sure you know that.

There was something like this for another console, but as I recall, it didn't support all of the games for whatever console it was.  Don't remember.

The best I can figure is wire your start button to the coin door.  Don't really know how practical it is.  Don't have that game, so I don't know if it will work.

this is not what im planning to do, but for arguements sake i think it is completely liable if i wanted to charge someone to play my machine. be it MAME, PS2, or whatever. Im not charging them to play the game, im charging them to use my machine to play it.

its like those internet cafes that have LAN games, you dont see Unreal creators sueing them cause theyre playing unreal and charging for it.

but thats a commercial environment anyway and i think might have different legalitys about it. but the way i see it, any property that you own, you have the right to charge someone if they want to borrow or use it.

[DaveMMR]

Forget the legality of it.  If you're charging your friends to play video games you won't be a very popular person.  Would you like it if they charged you to watch TV with them?

Secondly, you don't technically own software, you license it.  Most of the times the agreement doesn't allow you to make a profit off it.

[Sephroth57]

well first off i wont be charging my friends to play =P

secondly, youre not charging them to play. youre charging them to use your PS2, your controls, the machine you built. you own it you can charge someone to borrow or use it...


and anyway to get back on subject, there is some device that does this?

[DaveMMR]

secondly, youre not charging them to play. youre charging them to use your PS2, your controls, the machine you built. you own it you can charge someone to borrow or use it...

Okay cool, I'll buy that.  By the way why not stop by my place for dinner.  Oh, bring money too because there's a $10 surcharge for bathroom use and I charge $1.25 per hour for sitting on the couch.  There's also a strict $30 fine for leisurely brownsing through my DVD, video game, book, and CD collection.  Just pay the $2 'door use' charge if you want to come in.  

So can you do it?  Yes.  Is it tacky?  Very.

And to think, someone's reading and responding in the console forums.  

[kevin]

this is not what im planning to do, but for arguements sake i think it is completely liable if i wanted to charge someone to play my machine. be it MAME, PS2, or whatever. Im not charging them to play the game, im charging them to use my machine to play it.

With that logic I guess I'll be contacting my local arcades and offering them free MAME machines for a share of the profit. Of course, I'll make sure a small sign is attached that reads "All games offered by this machine are free to play, however a 25 cent fee for joystick rental per player per game is required." Maybe I'll even start selling copied CDs and DVDs, for free of course, though a modest "burner rental fee" may apply.

its like those internet cafes that have LAN games, you dont see Unreal creators sueing them cause theyre playing unreal and charging for it.

Show me the stack of 4000+ PCBs in your closet and I'll consider this a relevant example.

As for charging to play console games, I'm not sure if there is anything legally wrong with it. If I can walk into Blockbuster and rent a PS2 for the weekend, why can't I pay .25 to rent it for 10 minutes? I've been to several arcades and lan centers which offer timed play on consoles. Others have mentioned an attachment built for this purpose, but if I had to go from scratch I think a simple timer based system shouldn't be too bad to rig up.


Kevin

[abrannan]

And to think, someone's reading and responding in the console forums.  

Well, you're reading, but you're sure as hell not answering his question.

[Sephroth57]

And to think, someone's reading and responding in the console forums.  

Well, you're reading, but you're sure as hell not answering his question.

yes... thank you

anyway enough debate on legal BS, plain and simple is there something that can do this?

[abrannan]

And to think, someone's reading and responding in the console forums.  

Well, you're reading, but you're sure as hell not answering his question.

yes... thank you

anyway enough debate on legal BS, plain and simple is there something that can do this?

I'd ask Dave K.   He posted this in this very thread:

Yeah, just for that comment, I don't think we should answer his question....even though there is a devicde out there that does what he wants for the Playstation2.  Its similar to the MGCD device for dreamcast.

[DaveMMR]

And to think, someone's reading and responding in the console forums.  

Well, you're reading, but you're sure as hell not answering his question.

Well technically, neither are you.  I mean no offense to the ribbing but when you're calling the Console forum useless and then kinda hint that you want to charge people to play with your PS2, not much help is going to come his way.

But nevertheless there were some answers on this thread.  I'll stop waxing about legality and so forth and tell you what I'm theorizing:

Games for the console were not designed to wait for a coin input.  So no matter which route you go it's not going to be authentic.  You can do what you originally said and wire the start button to the coin switch (but you should keep another start button somewhere for pausing and so-forth).  It won't work too well with any game and it won't work at all with some games, but that's the simpliest way.

Perhaps there's something that can be done software side - kind of like the Playchoice 10 that, as you stated, will let you play the game indefinately for a set amount of time.  If it can be done is not something I can say since I am not a programmer.

Then third is something hardware wise that'll set off, again as you stated, a timer that'll cut off the controls after a certain duration.  Though that's going to be kind of awkward when time runs out and the game just hangs there waiting for input that never arrives (kind of like when you're friend unplugs the controller while in a heated death match).  

Personally I don't think any of the solutions are worth the trouble, but I am curious to hear the device Dave K mentioned (so I won't rule it out completely).

[Sephroth57]

lol im sorry if i insulted the console forum which by the way you talk about it is your home forum. it just seems the dicussions on here end at 6 posts where on the main board they always go to 20. this was a rare instance cause i caused some kind of controversy which everyone wanted to see hehe.

but yeah awaiting dave Ks input

[Floyd10]

secondly, youre not charging them to play. youre charging them to use your PS2, your controls, the machine you built. you own it you can charge someone to borrow or use it...

Okay cool, I'll buy that.  By the way why not stop by my place for dinner.  Oh, bring money too because there's a $10 surcharge for bathroom use and I charge $1.25 per hour for sitting on the couch.  There's also a strict $30 fine for leisurely brownsing through my DVD, video game, book, and CD collection.  Just pay the $2 'door use' charge if you want to come in.  

So can you do it?  Yes.  Is it tacky?  Very.

And to think, someone's reading and responding in the console forums.  

Kinda reminds me of the stamp act.

But his point is that he put tons of time into making the cab, and purchasing the parts, he just wants a cut

[Dave_K.]

lol im sorry if i insulted the console forum which by the way you talk about it is your home forum. it just seems the dicussions on here end at 6 posts where on the main board they always go to 20. this was a rare instance cause i caused some kind of controversy which everyone wanted to see hehe.

but yeah awaiting dave Ks input

  ok I think you paid your dues from all the flaming going on about charging.

Anyway, the device that I mentioned is actually the same MGCD.  Its a JAMMA compatible PCB that overlays "insert coin" and "time remaining" on top of the console game's video for charging.  It has controller and video interfaces for Dreamcast, Playstation/Playstation2, and Xbox.  I believe its compatible with almost all digitally controlled based games...analog support only for driving games.  Also has limited lightgun support for each console.  There is a game compatibility list on the site (click the links along the bottom).  Pop'N Music for the original PS is supported (not sure about the later PS2 titles...but I don't see why not...its all digital based controls).

http://www.frolicker.com.tw/mgcd/mgcd.htm

Happy charging!