Philip 27" PS1127 VGA Monitor?

[danger66]

I am considering the Philips PS1127 27" TV monitor to be used probably with the X-Arcade Cabinet since I don't have much time to spend fixing up a cabinet.

http://www.electronicsnation.com/en/products/flypage/prod_id/PS1127

What do you thing about this combination?

Any input will be sincerely appreciated.

[Matt, GoC]

Dude I'd go for it.  Looks pretty good, but you might be stuck with just a few resolutions.  I'd dig a little more and see if it's really for you.  Me...  I wouldn't mind a 27" computer monitor  

-EDIT
This is all I could find on Philip's site:
http://www.consumer.philips.com/global/b2c/ce/catalog/product.jhtml;jsessionid=HYLHKRV4SRCWHJ0RMRERX2NHKFSEKHAW?divId=0&groupId=TV_GR&subCatId=PROFESSIONAL_TV_CA&subCatId=ITV_HEALTHCARE_SU&productId=PS1127

-EDIT #2
I guess I didn't notice the long list of stuff in the More Info section on that page you linked to.  

[John]

Did you get the monitor?  I was going to pick it up as well but decided against it since I've already bought my Act-labs lightguns for TV and if I use the VGA input then the lightguns wont work.

[danger66]

No, John, I haven't ordered it.

I have decided to get the D9200 27" Wells Gardner with the ArcadeVGA video card. From the people I have spoken to, this seems to be the best solution.

Let's see.

[iwillfearnoevil]

http://www.electronicsnation.com/en/products/flypage/prod_id/PS1127
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[AlanS17]

How hard do you suppose it is to get this thing out of the case? Anybody know what it looks like on the inside and how hard it would be to mount something this size?

[John]

I ended up getting one. I'll snap some shots and post it.

btw, the quality is very good.  I'll also try to do some VGA versus Svideo comparasion when I get a chance.

[AlanS17]

Awesome! Thanks for the info. This could be the solution people have been looking for.

[John]

Here goes.

This is the view from the front



Here are the inputs from the front


Here are the inputs from the back


In both front and back VGA it also has stereo input for sound (very nice touch if you don't want to put speakers in your cab)

Next picture.. MAME32 running on XP with VGA input

As you can see the text is very sharp and readable (this is running at 800x600. The monitor can handle 1024x768 too)

MAME32 with Svideo (same monitor)

Blurred compared to the image from VGA input, but with big fonts it doesn't look all that bad.

MAME32 with VGA and flash on camera



Some good old Street Fighter II champ edition.



Close up





The order of the pics for SFII is VGA, Svideo, VGA, Svideo, Svideo

overall the monitor looks very nice.  The case was cracked when it arrived but from looking at the inside, it looks like it'd be pretty easy to remove from the case and mount it.  The monitor's front looks like it has the standard mount as my WG 25" (except for its a 27")



John

[AlanS17]

Are you saying this monitor has a horizontal frame for mounting along the front in side the case? Or just that it has screws in each corner to attatch a frame?

*keeping fingers crossed*

[AlanS17]

Darnit! The website is all sold out!  

[John]

looks like 4 screws (one on each corner) but that's how my WG was. Except the cab I got had the metal frame around it.

Another thought was that I think these TV/monitors are very similar to those old Gateway 27" TV/VGA monitors for schools.  In fact the tv says institutional monitors (I guess these would be good for classrooms)

John

[AlanS17]

So it doesn't really have a frame... It just has the ability to mount to a frame.

How hard would it be to remove that thing from its case (being realistic)? Also, is their any cage on the back of the tube to hold the boards or are they mounted to the inside of the case? I'm guessing everything is just mounted to the inside of the casing like a regular TV.

[John]

If I get some time tonight I'll try to take the case apart.  will snap some more shots



John

[AlanS17]

If I get some time tonight I'll try to take the case apart.  will snap some more shots



John

Awesome! Thanks a million!

[Truecade]

John,

If you wouldn't mind, what are the external dimensions of this monitor without taking off the case?  I couldn't find any detailed info on the Phillips site.  Would it fit as-is into a 26" wide cabinet?

The clarity looks pretty good- comparable to the D9200 but I can't really say without seeing the two side by side.  What resolutions does it support?   For the price, this seems like a good alternative to the D9200.

Thanks in advance

[AlanS17]

John,

If you wouldn't mind, what are the external dimensions of this monitor without taking off the case?  I couldn't find any detailed info on the Phillips site.  Would it fit as-is into a 26" wide cabinet?

The clarity looks pretty good- comparable to the D9200 but I can't really say without seeing the two side by side.  What resolutions does it support?   For the price, this seems like a good alternative to the D9200.

Thanks in advance

I don't feel like doing the math, but you can. It's a 27" monitor and has an aspect ratio of 3(side):5(bottom). Then add in a few inches for speakers... I can't see this thing could possibly fit without taking out of the case, but like I said... I haven't done the math.

[John]

Here are more pics as promised and dimensions.


Measurements from the front (minus case) Otherwise is 30"x 23.2".  So this wouldn't fit a 26" wide cab without taking it out of the case.


Rear case removed (the two top screws were already broken so all I had to do was remove the bottom 2 screens and the rear 4 screws)


Dimensions from the rear


Little speaker on the side of the screen



What it looks like from the side

So no metal casing but doesn't look bad.

One thing I'm not sure about is removing the front plastic.  Since the tube is just screwed onto the plastic case I'm hesistant to undo the screws without having something else to put it on.  I guess I'd have to build some sort of housing for this if I want to take it out completely and put it in a cab.  Or just put the case back on and build a cab around the monitor.  

Overall inside looks very clean and it shouldn't be very hard to move the input boards around (there's a little PCB in the front for VGA and Svideo input as well.)

Some tech Spec from the user manual..

CRT/Viewable image : 29"/27"
Striptrio pitch - 0.68mm (center)
Max resolution - 1024x768
Face glass - Flat Clear
Input signal :
Video input : NTSC, PAL, Standard signal, RGB analog signal
PC Input: VGA/SVGA/XGA Standard
Scan Frequency:
Horizontal multi-frequency: 30 to 48 kHz
Vertical frequency: 50 to 120 Hz
Display Area - 540mm x 405mm
Audio - Loud speakers: 10W x 2 (RMS)
Connectors:
S-Video x 1 front and x 2 rear
A/V-in x1 front and x2 rear
A/V-out x1 rear
15-pin D-sub x1 front and x1 rear
Audio-i for PC sound x1 front and x1 rear
Front panel controls: power, menu, +/-, vol/ch, input
OSD controls :
brightness, contrast, color temperature, color adjustment, OSD on/off, degauss, volume, treble, bass, balance, speaker, v-size, h-size, v-position, h-position, pincusion, pincusion balance, tilt, parallelgram, trapezoid, top/bottom-corner
Power input 90-132VAC, 60Hz
180-260 VAC, 50 Hz
Power consumption -
operating max 250W
standby mode 15W
Weight: approx 51kg (multiple by 2.5 if you want lbs.)

Monitors contains 5 preset modes and 18 user modes

VGA - 640x480 - Fh 31.5K - Fv 60Hz
VESA - 640x480 - Fh 37.5K - Fv 75Hz
VGA 720x400 - Fh 31.5K - Fv 70Hz
SVGA - 800x600 - Fh 37.8 - Fv 60Hz
XGA - 1024x768 - Fh 48.3K - Fv 60Hz

hope this helps and any advice on mounting this is welcomed



John

[AlanS17]

Thanks a bunch! You've been super helpful! Now I just need them to get more in stock...

[John]

No problems.  Next task is to build my cab.  This time I need to take my time and document it.  My last cab was a converted TMNT and I put 2 spinners, 2 trackballs, and 4 8-ways on it.  It worked very well but there aren't may 2 spinner games (aside from blastroids that I can think of) and it wasn't bad to play blastroids using the joysticks.

so my new cab will have this 27" screen in it.  I'm still going to buy a 4 players cp.  except for this time the side controls (players 3 and 4) will have an 8-way with a fire button on top (for assault) and still 2 trackballs (simply love marble madness and maybe even a 2 player game of Rampart (wouldn't mind doing 3 trackballs but feel like such a waste to dedicated one more trackball for just one game) and 1 spinner.

the only thing that can top this is a Starwars yoke, I've gotten the plans from twistygrip but it looks pretty complicated cutting all the PCV pipes.

anyhow, any thoughts about mounting this monitor to a cab?


John

[crashwg]

How does the monitor/tv react to power changes and signal loss?  IE, when you unplug it and plug it back in, will you have to turn it on and will it recall the last mode.  And when you turn the pc off, what does the monitor do?

[ChadTower]

so if I understand this properly, this can handle both regular SVGA (untranslated computer video out) AND regular TV (as if from a game console)?  As well as 15khz raw rgb, say from a modified console?

[John]

the monitor remembers the last input when powered off; however it does not power on automatically (you have to push the power button)

It can handle vga, composite and s-video, not sure about 15hz raw since it only has inputs for vga, composite and svideo

[ChadTower]

It can handle vga, composite and s-video, not sure about 15hz raw since it only has inputs for vga, composite and svideo

From the inputs:

[AlanS17]

the monitor remembers the last input when powered off; however it does not power on automatically (you have to push the power button)

It can handle vga, composite and s-video, not sure about 15hz raw since it only has inputs for vga, composite and svideo

The power shouldn't be that big of a deal. I figure you can run it out to a momentary pushbutton.

[John]

I do have a JPAC, I don't remember if I can get 15khz from the vga out though.  if you have any other suggestions as to getting 15khz out using the dsub I'm more than happy to test it.



John

[John]

Oh, anyone have any idea how to get an arcade metal frame for this 27" monitor?  I did some search but couldn't find a place that sells the frame for say the WG monitor.

[AlanS17]

Oh, anyone have any idea how to get an arcade metal frame for this 27" monitor?  I did some search but couldn't find a place that sells the frame for say the WG monitor.

Are you inserting this into a pre-built machine or building a machine around it? If you're inserting it into a machine, you may find that it doesn't fit with a frame installed. Most machines weren't built to handle anything more than a 25" monitor with frame. You may have to mount the tube directly to the cabinet with some sort of bracing. I know a guy who had to take the frame off of his 27" monitor to fit it into a TMNT cabinet.