PS2 Hard Drive question...

[dema]

Many are familiar with modding an XBox to allow for a larger hard drive and even going as far as to download games directly to the hard drive. This is an ideal set up for an arcade cabinet because it eliminates the need to swap games in and out of the Xbox console, which can then be stored within the cabinet.

Well, the PS2 now offers a Hard Drive unit, selling with the console version of FFXI.  I was wondering if any of you were aware whether or not this will be moddable so that you can similarly download PS2 games to the hard drive and access games from that, instead of swapping discs in and out. I'm hoping this is possible because there are a ton of games that would be great on an arcade cabinet.

[abrannan]

I'd say give it about a year and somebody will have a Mod Chip and software to do just that.  Right now it's too new, and the 'chippers haven't had enought time to develop the right tools.  Plus, it's was easier with the Xbox as the hard drive was native, and built into every game's awareness.  

[dema]

I'd say give it about a year and somebody will have a Mod Chip and software to do just that.  Right now it's too new, and the 'chippers haven't had enought time to develop the right tools.  Plus, it's was easier with the Xbox as the hard drive was native, and built into every game's awareness.  

That makes sense. Thanks for the help. I'll keep my eyes peeled for when someone cracks it.

[MadEditor]

Your dream has come true ... and even better the PS2 does'nt need to be modded for it to work !!!

http://www.hdloader.com/

[abrannan]

Your dream has come true ... and even better the PS2 does'nt need to be modded for it to work !!!

http://www.hdloader.com/

Sweet!  First the Dreamcast emulator and now this!  I'm getting proven wrong left and right, and it's a *very* good thing!

[dema]

Your dream has come true ... and even better the PS2 does'nt need to be modded for it to work !!!

http://www.hdloader.com/

Thank you so much for the link and great eyes to catch that! Now I need to do a little more planning (and spending) in order to accomodate your awesome find. I really appreciate your help.

[dema]

Your dream has come true ... and even better the PS2 does'nt need to be modded for it to work !!!

http://www.hdloader.com/

Sweet!  First the Dreamcast emulator and now this!  I'm getting proven wrong left and right, and it's a *very* good thing!

I wasn't even aware that there was a functional Dreamcast emulator. That's awesome!

[Generic Eric]

So...How much is the HD loader thingy?  Wonder if can save any of the cheats on the drive.

[abrannan]

So...How much is the HD loader thingy?  Wonder if can save any of the cheats on the drive.

From the distributor linked on the site it looks like it's going to be about $30 (plus the cost of the hard drive).  

[Stingray]

Still in the pre-order phase though. I do plan to get this once it's shipping though.

-S

[bigmoe]

So...How much is the HD loader thingy?  Wonder if can save any of the cheats on the drive.

From the distributor linked on the site it looks like it's going to be about $30 (plus the cost of the hard drive).  

Plus the cost of the Sony-brand PS2 network adapter (unless I misread?)

[Dave_K.]

Its too bad sega never released the Zip Drive attachement for the Dreamcast.  I'm sure someone would have been able to hack a real IDE drive to that interface....  

[abrannan]

So...How much is the HD loader thingy?  Wonder if can save any of the cheats on the drive.

From the distributor linked on the site it looks like it's going to be about $30 (plus the cost of the hard drive).  

Plus the cost of the Sony-brand PS2 network adapter (unless I misread?)

You didn't misread.  The IDE interface is on the back of the network adapter.  There's no way to install a drive without it (Unless sony releases an IDE bay for those who don't want the network adapter)

[AmericanDemon]

Like that would ever happen.  

The product is actually being shipped thats what the developers have told via E-mail.

[abrannan]

Still in the pre-order phase though. I do plan to get this once it's shipping though.

-S

I pre-ordered mine yesterday, and the site indicated that it should be shipping today.  We'll see.  I'm going to pick up a Maxtor 5400 RPM 120 Gig drive this weekend.  I'll be sure to let everyone here know how well it works out once I have all the parts and pieces.

[Luxury]

I pre-ordered mine yesterday, and the site indicated that it should be shipping today.  We'll see.  I'm going to pick up a Maxtor 5400 RPM 120 Gig drive this weekend.  I'll be sure to let everyone here know how well it works out once I have all the parts and pieces.

update! update! update!

[AlanS17]

Would such a device interfere with the original intentions of the HD (such as use with FFXI)?

[AmericanDemon]

The developers stated in an e-mail to myself that this shouldn't effect HD based games, however you cannot load the images onto the HD and have them work....  

easier explanation...  if the game needs the web and stores data on the HD by default, you must use the original game EVERY time.

Disks that do not use Web or HD, then you are fine.  

[crashwg]

This is sooooo, awesome!  I'm getting this ASAP.  Maybe even two!  Not sure why... but whatever.

[abrannan]

I pre-ordered mine yesterday, and the site indicated that it should be shipping today.  We'll see.  I'm going to pick up a Maxtor 5400 RPM 120 Gig drive this weekend.  I'll be sure to let everyone here know how well it works out once I have all the parts and pieces.

update! update! update!

You wanted an update, well here it is....

My hdloader is still on pre-order.  It hasn't shipped yet, but according to the site, they should be shipping tomorrow (something about having the Discs, but needing to wait for the documentation and case covers, which are somehow more bulky *see below).  I did pick up a 120 GB 7200 RPM Maxtor drive at Office Depot for $80 Tuesday night, so that's all ready to go.  Fortunately, the shipping is FedEx Air Express, so I should get it by Monday, hopefully.


*My guess is they sent an ISO image or Gold copy of the disc, but are shipping pre-printed manuals/covers?  Why not send electronic copies of those as well?  Just license out the ability to manufacture and print copies, as long as they meet certain specs, for 25% of the retail cost per copy sold.  

[pointdablame]

O man, I think I have to get this.  It is sooooo nice to just load a game from my Xbox's hard drive.... to do that with PS2 also would just rule.  Looks like I have to go hard drive shopping.

[abrannan]

Looks like I have to go hard drive shopping.

If I may make a recommendation, www.salescircular.com is a good place to check for specials in your area.  They summarize and categorize the ads from the Sunday papers.  

[crashwg]

O man, I think I have to get this.  It is sooooo nice to just load a game from my Xbox's hard drive....

Could someone please point me to information on doing this?

[abrannan]

O man, I think I have to get this.  It is sooooo nice to just load a game from my Xbox's hard drive....

Could someone please point me to information on doing this?

You need a mod chip to do this.  Check any of the Xbox Mod scene sites.  

[Stingray]

Any new info yet? Has it arrived?

-S

[abrannan]

Any new info yet? Has it arrived?

-S

According to the site, they're getting all the parts and pieces today, and are shipping out pre-orders over the next 2-3 days.  Maybe by the end of the week?

[Stingray]

Keep us updated.  

-S

[abrannan]

Keep us updated.  

-S

Don't worry, I will.  Hopefully it will be waiting for me when I get home.  *crosses fingers*

[Generic Eric]

Keep us updated.  

-S

Don't worry, I will.  Hopefully it will be waiting for me when I get home.  *crosses fingers*

tell us, tell us, tell us, tell us!!!

[dema]

Keep us updated.  

-S

Don't worry, I will.  Hopefully it will be waiting for me when I get home.  *crosses fingers*

tell us, tell us, tell us, tell us!!!

I received mine in the mail yesterday, but I need to purchase a hard drive for it. Hopefully I'll have time to tackle it this evening.

[2muchmojo4u]

Does anyone know if the 120 gig hard drive work?

[AlexC]

If anyone finds a good deal on a 120GB HD please post. Fry's had a 120gb Maxtor for $69.99 (no rebate)but I think the sale is over.  

 

[abrannan]

Keep us updated.  

-S

Don't worry, I will.  Hopefully it will be waiting for me when I get home.  *crosses fingers*

tell us, tell us, tell us, tell us!!!

I received mine in the mail yesterday, but I need to purchase a hard drive for it. Hopefully I'll have time to tackle it this evening.

*grumble*  Lucky SOB.  Mine still hasn't arrived, and I *do* have a hard drive for it.

[AlexC]

FYI : http://www.modchipworld.com/
Has the the HDloader for $27.99. Not sure what there shipping charge is.
If anyone knows of a cheaper place, please post  
I still need to order mine.

[AlexC]

A review from Modchip (I"m at work today and bored lots of kill time   ) :

HD Loader testing results:


USING PS2 with online adapter and 120 Segate/Maxtor Hard Drive

1. Followed the instructions on the HD Loader instructions manual to install Hard Drive. It is quite easy and simple the only thing to remember here is that only certain 3rd party drives actually fit the Sony PS2 Hard Drive. We found that the Maxtor/Seagate brands work well with the online adapter. Western Digital would not fit. Don

[dema]

Okay, I know many of you have been waiting for the information and I have the news to report. I got my HD Loader in the mail on Friday night and on Saturday I bought a 120 gig Maxtor 7200 rpm hard drive. I already owned the Network adaptor so I didn't have to pick one up this weekend.  All I had to do was slide the hard drive into the Network adaptor and then slide that into the PS2. That was it! I then put the HD loader disc into the PS2 and followed the on-screen instructions. Everything worked perfectly.

I only had time to download a couple of my games and I tested one, so I'm not entirely sure how well everything works, although from the look of it the load times were significantly improved. The only question I have about the program is how to go from a game back to the main HD Loader screen. Obviously to put it in a cabinet it would work best if it could be done by a certain button press.

That's the only issue I have. Other than that it's easy to accomplish (albeit a little expensive between the HD Loader, 120 gig Hard Drive, Network adaptor) and well worth it. I love the idea of putting it in my cabinet, or even taking it with me when I'm on the road without needing to bring a ton of extra games as well.

[Stingray]

Thanks for the info on this. I don't own a network adaptor as I don't really have any interest in online gaming, but I think it will be worth picking one up just to be able to add a HD. It looks like HDloader works just as I'd hoped it would.

-S

[Stingray]

FYI : http://www.modchipworld.com/
Has the the HDloader for $27.99. Not sure what there shipping charge is.

Turns out it's $9.76 to the US, which is pretty freaking outrageous for a single CD.

-S

[dema]

One issue I found last night is that the HD Loader couldn't install my game of Contra: Shattered Soldier. It seems to be because the game has a blue back to the CD, which I'm guessing the HD Loader has problems recognizing. It gave an error message saying it wasn't a valid PS2 game, which is obviously not the case.

Anyhow, not all games will install. At least it will do most of them.

[Luxury]

Thanks for the info.  I think I'll order my copy in the next few days.  I just wish that it had a hd broswer (mp3/mpgs) and memory card save features (which i think the sony hdd has)

But here is something to think about.  Costco is selling FFXI + HD for $60.  It's only a 40gig hd, but also comes with the game.  (+$13 a month)

http://www.costco.com/frameset.asp?trg=product.asp&catid=2805&subid=3578&hierid=3585&prdid=10040883&log=

[simplygriff]

Has anybody tried Virtua Fighter 4 Evo?  Either the Manufacturer or one of you guys?
-G

[abrannan]

I have VF4:Evo, and once my copy of HDloader comes in I'll let you know.

[simplygriff]

I have VF4:Evo, and once my copy of HDloader comes in I'll let you know.

Rad!

[sixcoin]

I have not recived my HDLoader yet nor have I bought a hard drive yet.  What I am wondering is why they limit the hard drive size to 120gb?  why not higher?  if I'm going to spend 110 on a 120gb why not spend 160 for a 220gb?

[abrannan]

I have not recived my HDLoader yet nor have I bought a hard drive yet.  What I am wondering is why they limit the hard drive size to 120gb?  why not higher?  if I'm going to spend 110 on a 120gb why not spend 160 for a 220gb?

Why spend $110 on a 120 GB?  They're going for $70-80 right now.  The 120 Gig limit is probably because the interface on the network adapter is IDE, not EIDE or other spec.  The IDE Spec, IIRC, limits drives to ~135 GB in size.  

Besides at a maximum of 4.5 Gig/game, you're still able to store a minimum of 25 games on a 120 Gig drive.  That's pretty nice for a first pass.

[dema]

I just learned of another big issue, that was confirmed by the HD Loader programmers...to reset the machine you have to physically press the reset button. That's ridiculous.

[abrannan]

I just learned of another big issue, that was confirmed by the HD Loader programmers...to reset the machine you have to physically press the reset button. That's ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous?  

[Dave_K.]

I just learned of another big issue, that was confirmed by the HD Loader programmers...to reset the machine you have to physically press the reset button. That's ridiculous.

I think this is more of a PS2 architecture problem than an HD Loader issue.  Take the dreamcast for example, in any game all you do is hit all for buttons and the start button at the same time to reset the game (to the games title screen)...any game!...and if you do it twice it resets all the way back to the bootup/setting menu.  This is an architectural feature of the DC.  Nothing like this on PS2...so I would expect you have to physically hit the reset button to boot a new game.

[crashwg]

I just learned of another big issue, that was confirmed by the HD Loader programmers...to reset the machine you have to physically press the reset button. That's ridiculous.

Doesn't seem to rediculous when you consider the alternative of getting up, pushing eject, taking out the old disk, replacing it with the new and then hitting reset now does it...

Jeez, some people are just far too picky.

[abrannan]

I just learned of another big issue, that was confirmed by the HD Loader programmers...to reset the machine you have to physically press the reset button. That's ridiculous.

Doesn't seem to rediculous when you consider the alternative of getting up, pushing eject, taking out the old disk, replacing it with the new and then hitting reset now does it...

Jeez, some people are just far too picky.

Dema wants to put it in a cabinet, which would mean a combination of button presses would send it back to the hadloader screen to select another game.  But it's just as easy (okay, not *just* as easy) to open up the PS2 and wire up a pushbutton to the reset button.

Got shipment notification that mine has been delivered, yay!

[simplygriff]

The new DVD remotes have a reset button built in to allow it to be turned off from a distance.  Wonder if that would work though a cabinet door?
-G

[abrannan]

I have VF4:Evo, and once my copy of HDloader comes in I'll let you know.

Rad!

Rad?  Really?

VF4:Evolution works.  Here are the numbers for my system

Using a Maxtor 7200RPM 120Gig HDD:
Install size: 1GB
Install Time: ~10 Minutes
Game is playable, load time between fights is about 2-3 seconds (Arcade Mode).


I'll let everyone know if I come across anything in my collection that won't work (aside from anything that's already been mentioned, like Contra: Shattered Soldier, and Rachet and Clank 1)

[Dave_K.]

I'll let everyone know if I come across anything in my collection that won't work (aside from anything that's already been mentioned, like Contra: Shattered Soldier, and Rachet and Clank 1)

Crap, thats two of my games.  If the HD Loader can't save blue dvd games (as dema mentioned) then thats like half my collection and thus isn't worth it for me!

[dema]

I just learned of another big issue, that was confirmed by the HD Loader programmers...to reset the machine you have to physically press the reset button. That's ridiculous.

Doesn't seem to rediculous when you consider the alternative of getting up, pushing eject, taking out the old disk, replacing it with the new and then hitting reset now does it...

Jeez, some people are just far too picky.

Considering everything will run a person about $200 for this route, I think I'm hardly being picky. If I have to get up and go over to the machine to hit reset I can very easily swap out a disc in the 10 extra seconds it takes. So why bother paying $200 for a system that basically cuts out the 10 extra seconds? I guess if you have kids who tend to lose or destroy games it may pay for itself, but I don't have that problem, so I've basically dropped $200 to protect most of the games in my collection. Considering there are also conflicts with certain games (such as blue-backed CDs and DVDs) and no help for future games that are put onto this medium, the cost doesn't justify the benefits.

I believe Dave K might be right that it's more the architecture than the program, but I figured that if this is a GUI that allows a game to be selected that there would be a way to opt out of selected games and brought back to the main screen. I figured if the program required the HD Loader to be in the system at the same time the software should have an exit menu.

Maybe I am being too picky, but to pay $200 for a virtual storage unit for most of my games, instead of my existing storage unit for all my games, doesn't seem like a worthwhile purchase. I think it's better to wait for the next generation of the software, when hopefully some of these issues are addressed. My modded XBox can reset with a series of button presses and it is a major blessing. If you knew how awesome and convenient that is then maybe you'd be agreeing that I'm not being too picky and this oversight is ridiculous.

[abrannan]

I just learned of another big issue, that was confirmed by the HD Loader programmers...to reset the machine you have to physically press the reset button. That's ridiculous.

Doesn't seem to rediculous when you consider the alternative of getting up, pushing eject, taking out the old disk, replacing it with the new and then hitting reset now does it...

Jeez, some people are just far too picky.

Considering everything will run a person about $200 for this route, I think I'm hardly being picky. If I have to get up and go over to the machine to hit reset I can very easily swap out a disc in the 10 extra seconds it takes. So why bother paying $200 for a system that basically cuts out the 10 extra seconds? I guess if you have kids who tend to lose or destroy games it may pay for itself, but I don't have that problem, so I've basically dropped $200 to protect most of the games in my collection. Considering there are also conflicts with certain games (such as blue-backed CDs and DVDs) and no help for future games that are put onto this medium, the cost doesn't justify the benefits.

I believe Dave K might be right that it's more the architecture than the program, but I figured that if this is a GUI that allows a game to be selected that there would be a way to opt out of selected games and brought back to the main screen. I figured if the program required the HD Loader to be in the system at the same time the software should have an exit menu.

Maybe I am being too picky, but to pay $200 for a virtual storage unit for most of my games, instead of my existing storage unit for all my games, doesn't seem like a worthwhile purchase. I think it's better to wait for the next generation of the software, when hopefully some of these issues are addressed. My modded XBox can reset with a series of button presses and it is a major blessing. If you knew how awesome and convenient that is then maybe you'd be agreeing that I'm not being too picky and this oversight is ridiculous.

If you're including the console in this $200, then I guess your numbers are right.  I paid a total of $100 for a HDD and HDLoader.  I'm getting about a 50% faster load time on my games.  I don't have to keep 20-30 game cases in my family room.  I don't have to take all of those games with me when I travel with my PS2.  The installation of these products (not counting loading the games onto the HDD) took me literally 2 minutes.  I didn't have to solder anything inside my PS2, nor am I voiding any warranty.  What I am getting is a program that interrupts the loading process and points the system to the HDD start location for the game.  That's all.  It doesn't mess with the BIOS of the system, and I know it's not damaging my hardware.

Maybe I'm not being picky enough, but if you knew how awesome and convenient it was to not have to open up my $150 console and solder a bunch of tiny wires in place, then download the proper BIOS (and oh, is it the latest version?) in order to be able to save games to my hard drive, then you'd realize you are being picky and there is no oversight.

[crashwg]

Arrrrgg, I can't wait till I have enough $$$ to buy this thing it seems so awesome.

BTW everyone who get's theirs together, please let us know where you got the program/your HD and how much it cost.  

[dema]

If you're including the console in this $200, then I guess your numbers are right.  I paid a total of $100 for a HDD and HDLoader.  

I wasn't including the cost of the PS2. I was just factoring the cost of a 120 gig hard drive, the HD Loader, and the Network adaptor.

While it is a little faster and it does help eliminate the clutter, I guess people should weigh their options to decide how useful the pros are to them versus the cons. I was hoping for more functionality when I fired up the software, but maybe I'm just too picky.

[abrannan]

Arrrrgg, I can't wait till I have enough $$$ to buy this thing it seems so awesome.

BTW everyone who get's theirs together, please let us know where you got the program/your HD and how much it cost.  

I got the program from Divineo, but the shipping is a killer there (FedEx only - $14 ground, $16 next day air)
I picked up my HD from Office Depot (120 Gig Maxtor 7200 RPM, $79)
Incidentally, the network adapter is selling for $20 at Fry's/Outpost right now.


Note: keep checking the hdloader site for compatibility, as the incompatible games list is growing.  Notably, Soul Calibur 2, and Splinter Cell:Pandora Tomorrow don't work, though I was able to copy Soul Calibur to the HDD.

[crashwg]

I guess people should weigh their options to decide how useful the pros are to them versus the cons.

Pros & cons... Phooey!  I'm gonna get it just for the COOL factor.  

Keep that on the D/L though.  If my GF finds out I want to spend that much on something I don't realy need... Oh boy, watch out! j/k

[abrannan]

I guess people should weigh their options to decide how useful the pros are to them versus the cons.

Pros & cons... Phooey!  I'm gonna get it just for the COOL factor.  

Keep that on the D/L though.  If my GF finds out I want to spend that much on something I don't realy need... Oh boy, watch out! j/k

Oh, come on.  It's *clear* why you need it and how it will benefit her.  Faster load times = faster completion of the game = less time spent playing = more time for her.  

[dema]

I guess people should weigh their options to decide how useful the pros are to them versus the cons.

Pros & cons... Phooey!  I'm gonna get it just for the COOL factor.  

Keep that on the D/L though.  If my GF finds out I want to spend that much on something I don't realy need... Oh boy, watch out! j/k

Oh, come on.  It's *clear* why you need it and how it will benefit her.  Faster load times = faster completion of the game = less time spent playing = more time for her.  

Very impressive formula!!! That was hilarious!

[abrannan]

I guess people should weigh their options to decide how useful the pros are to them versus the cons.

Pros & cons... Phooey!  I'm gonna get it just for the COOL factor.  

Keep that on the D/L though.  If my GF finds out I want to spend that much on something I don't realy need... Oh boy, watch out! j/k

Oh, come on.  It's *clear* why you need it and how it will benefit her.  Faster load times = faster completion of the game = less time spent playing = more time for her.  

Very impressive formula!!! That was hilarious!

Thank you...  And now for my next trick, this is my 400th post!

[Dave_K.]

Note: keep checking the hdloader site for compatibility, as the incompatible games list is growing.  Notably, Soul Calibur 2, and Splinter Cell:Pandora Tomorrow don't work, though I was able to copy Soul Calibur to the HDD.

Is anyone else a little perturbed by this?   I can understand that the newer network enabled (and harddrive enabled) games like FF might not work with the HDLoader, but what makes SC2 not run?  This combined with certain blue back dvd's not working just makes me believe this wasn't thought out thoroughly...or maybe I'm expecting to much from a new product?  For all we know, any new games coming out will be completely incompatible (especially if they can find these simple issues with the hdloader before hand, and come up with "copyprotection schemes").  

Would updates to HDLoader be free? (Wouldn't it be cool to use that network adapter thats required for the HD bay, connect to the HDLoader website, and fetch updates/patches?).  Like I said, I don't think this product was thoroughly thought out.

[dema]

Is anyone else a little perturbed by this?   I can understand that the newer network enabled (and harddrive enabled) games like FF might not work with the HDLoader, but what makes SC2 not run?  This combined with certain blue back dvd's not working just makes me believe this wasn't thought out thoroughly...or maybe I'm expecting to much from a new product?  For all we know, any new games coming out will be completely incompatible (especially if they can find these simple issues with the hdloader before hand, and come up with "copyprotection schemes").  

Would updates to HDLoader be free? (Wouldn't it be cool to use that network adapter thats required for the HD bay, connect to the HDLoader website, and fetch updates/patches?).  Like I said, I don't think this product was thoroughly thought out.

My sentiments exactly.

[Luxury]

Yeah...I was all ready to shell out the money for this - problems stated and everything.  But when I saw that Soul Calibur 2 didn't work, I've since changed my mind.  I don't own SC2 for PS2 (GC), but that still kind of scares me.  

[pointdablame]

Just an FYI, the HDD loader isn't having trouble with some blue backed dvds.... any PS2 disc with a blue disc is a CD based game, any silver backed game is a DVD and any black backed game is an original Playstation game.  

So, for whatever reason, the HDD loader is only able to read DVD games and not CD games.

[simplygriff]

I was all about this too until I saw the SC2 thing.  That and VF4:Evo were the only reasons I wanted it.  I know somebody said they got SC2 up and running but if it's on the creator's incompatible list that's not a good sign.  I think I'll wait for an updated version.  Especially since I don't have any of the required hardware yet.
-G

[abrannan]

I was all about this too until I saw the SC2 thing.  That and VF4:Evo were the only reasons I wanted it.  I know somebody said they got SC2 up and running but if it's on the creator's incompatible list that's not a good sign.  I think I'll wait for an updated version.  Especially since I don't have any of the required hardware yet.
-G

I couldn't get SC2 up and running.  But VF4:Evo worked great.

[simplygriff]

I misread.  I thought you had it up and running.  Now I see that you just got it copied over.
-G

[crashwg]

If it's having problems reading from cd based games... what are the chances of copying them to DVD-Rs and then loading them up?  Of course you will need a modchip to do so, but it's worth a try if you've got one right?

[igorian]

I'd gotten mine two days ago.  Had to work 'till last night and then tested it to work great!  I've loaded 'blue' games, specifically ATV ORF2.

Here's my problem.  This morning I was about to load more games and now my PS2 won't read Discs.  The DVD Drive spins, but nothing else!  I hope the Seagate 120 I'd put it didn't cause it, but it was fine last night.  Anyway I'm going to get a new unit today at Costco (exchange).

I've tested too with the Sony 40GB drive.  There is a benefit, waying the pro's and con's, of using the official drive.  With the official drive you can copy game saves from the memory card to the HDD.  Can't do it with any other drive.  With that said it might not be so bad to just stick with the 40.  Even though I was hoping to go bigger.

[abrannan]

Note: keep checking the hdloader site for compatibility, as the incompatible games list is growing.  Notably, Soul Calibur 2, and Splinter Cell:Pandora Tomorrow don't work, though I was able to copy Soul Calibur to the HDD.

Is anyone else a little perturbed by this?   I can understand that the newer network enabled (and harddrive enabled) games like FF might not work with the HDLoader, but what makes SC2 not run?  This combined with certain blue back dvd's not working just makes me believe this wasn't thought out thoroughly...or maybe I'm expecting to much from a new product?  For all we know, any new games coming out will be completely incompatible (especially if they can find these simple issues with the hdloader before hand, and come up with "copyprotection schemes").  

Would updates to HDLoader be free? (Wouldn't it be cool to use that network adapter thats required for the HD bay, connect to the HDLoader website, and fetch updates/patches?).  Like I said, I don't think this product was thoroughly thought out.

Wild Speculation time:
My guess regarding the games that don't work is that they have the hardware address of the DVD hardcoded into the program at certain points, rather that just referencing memory addresseslike a normal program would.  The wild speculation si that since you can copy these games to a hard drive, you could use dd in linux to modify certain parts of the code (like a gameshark or action replay does) to reference the hardware address of the game on the drive.  It's far beyond my technical wherewithal, but in theory it could work.

[jujuman]

I've read all the post and researched the question and I'm on the verge of going this route. But here is the big question

We know that you can use either a maxtor120G or the Official Sony FF 40gig
We know that if you use the Sony you can store Game Saves
We know some games do not load to a Maxtor

The question will those games such as SC2 load on the Sony Drive. Some one need to check if the sony drive accepts the games that the maxtor wont run.

Thanx

[Dave_K.]

The question will those games such as SC2 load on the Sony Drive. Some one need to check if the sony drive accepts the games that the maxtor wont run.

Its not a matter of the drive that makes games incompatible with the HDLoader, but more a function of how the game is written (as alluded to in the post above yours).

The only benifit of using the 40G official sony drive (as igorian pointed out) is that you can copy game saves from the memory card to the HDD (apparently it can't with a 120G drive?)

[Luxury]

Besides the copying of the save games to the Sony HDD, how do other games compare with the Maxtor vs. Sony HDD?  I know that RE: Outbreak had a thing where the load screens were like twice as fast if you had the Sony HDD.  Since you can't play online games with HDLoader, and have to use the discs - does having another brand HD speed up the load times as well?  I think I head that a few other upcoming online games would have a similar feature.  Downloadable content and such.  I bet that these will only work with the Sony HDD.

Anyone able to test this?

[jujuman]

has anyone tried Driv3r?
I went to Cosco you have to order it directly from the website for the deal they don't have it at the store

I'm going with the Sony version for 60 good for me

[crashwg]

I'm going with the Sony version for 60 good for me

What the heck does that mean?

[orntar]

that means he can get the sony hard drive for $60, as can i.

i think english is a second language for him.  

[jujuman]

Doh!

Yes I screwed up on the english.
My diction is better than my typing skills.
I ordered my HDLoader today, I guess I'll be waiting weeks for the shipment
49.95 kRikEy!

I'll order the drive later.

[jam92102]

The question will those games such as SC2 load on the Sony Drive. Some one need to check if the sony drive accepts the games that the maxtor wont run.

Its not a matter of the drive that makes games incompatible with the HDLoader, but more a function of how the game is written (as alluded to in the post above yours).

The only benifit of using the 40G official sony drive (as igorian pointed out) is that you can copy game saves from the memory card to the HDD (apparently it can't with a 120G drive?)

So will you still be able to save games when running them off of a harddrive to the memory card?

[Dave_K.]

So will you still be able to save games when running them off of a harddrive to the memory card?

I don't see why that wouldn't change.  

[Edgedamage]

I just learned of another big issue, that was confirmed by the HD Loader programmers...to reset the machine you have to physically press the reset button. That's ridiculous.

Sounds like you are unhappy with your ps2 I will gladly take it.

[crashwg]

Anyone try hooking up the HD, that you have coppied games to on the PS2, to a windows based PC?  What format are the games saved in?

Reason I ask... well, I won't give you the exact reason (becuase it would probably break some of the board's rules) but I will propose a hypathetical (to give you a general idea):

Lets say one was to copy a game to the PS2, the game is enjoyed by the person but they would like to install a new game but are out of space!  Oh no!!!    Even worse, the disk is scratched.  So, could one copy the game to a HD on a windows based PC for storage and/or could you burn a new copy of the game?

So if you've got some free time, and of course HDLOADER, could you give it a try?  That would be sweet!

Thanks in advance.

[Edgedamage]

Anyone try hooking up the HD, that you have coppied games to on the PS2, to a windows based PC?  What format are the games saved in?

Reason I ask... well, I won't give you the exact reason (becuase it would probably break some of the board's rules) but I will propose a hypathetical (to give you a general idea):

Lets say one was to copy a game to the PS2, the game is enjoyed by the person but they would like to install a new game but are out of space!  Oh no!!!    Even worse, the disk is scratched.  So, could one copy the game to a HD on a windows based PC for storage and/or could you burn a new copy of the game?

So if you've got some free time, and of course HDLOADER, could you give it a try?  That would be sweet!

Thanks in advance.

Man I really hope sony is not that foolish to use a file system that a windows PC could read and copy. BUT what about Linux there is a linux kit for the ps2 I wonder if the file system is linux based???

[abrannan]

Man I really hope sony is not that foolish to use a file system that a windows PC could read and copy. BUT what about Linux there is a linux kit for the ps2 I wonder if the file system is linux based???

With linux and DD, it doesn't really matter what file format it is.  You're reading the HDD byte by byte.

[igorian]

I must make a correction to my first post.  ATV ORF2 is not blue.  I don't know why I thought it was.  OOPS.  Nerd alert!

[kman1666]

Hey guys, I have a couple of questions I hope to be answered.

1) do you need to put in the HDLoader disk everytime you want to use it
2) with a non-Sony HDD installed, can you see it on the ps2 start menu (with the memory card, etc)
3) Everyone here is using a 120gig or less HD, I have a new Maxtor 160g Ultra ATA/133, will that work? if not I will return it or put it in my xbox.
Thanks!

[igorian]

HD Loader DISC must be in for each game load.

I've also answered another question out there.  The remote can reset the system so that you don't have to physically go up to the machine to reset.  Thus, even if it's behind a cabinet, as long as you have a remote rabbit, you can do it with the sony remote.

You cannot see the non official hard drives in the PS2 start menu.  This is why the official drive is the only one that you can use to transfer game saves.

The drive limitation is 132GB.  Since those aren't made the common size is 120.  You can use 160, but will be short the difference (unusable).

[moobyghost]

Alright guys, I am new, but you seem to have all teh awnsers and I could use your knowledge. I read the thread fully, so please bare with me if I ask a question already asked, I am just trying to organzie all my questions.

1. What HD's work in the PS2

2. I heard you had to install a fiel or something on to the HD before the PS2 would acknowledge it, is this true?

3. Can someone please test the HDloader program with Red dead revolver and or Megaman anniversy collevtion?

4. Has anyone...this is going to sound stupid since the program is not made for it, but has anyone tried to copy a movie or dvd to the hardrive with the loader?

5. Does the HDloader work perfectly with the offical drive?

6. am I getting annoying from all these questions?

[abrannan]

Alright guys, I am new, but you seem to have all teh awnsers and I could use your knowledge. I read the thread fully, so please bare with me if I ask a question already asked, I am just trying to organzie all my questions.

1. What HD's work in the PS2

Read the faq at hdloader.com, or just read this thread.  Maxtor/Seagate drives work best.  The network adapter is IDE, so only the first 136GB of whatever drive you use will be usable.  Western Digital tends to put the connectors for their drives in a little different position, so they don't line up with the connectors on the network adapter.  

2. I heard you had to install a fiel or something on to the HD before the PS2 would acknowledge it, is this true?

With HDloader, you only need to format the drive, which hdloader will prompt you to do the first time you boot it.

3. Can someone please test the HDloader program with Red dead revolver and or Megaman anniversy collevtion?

Sure, send me the games, and I'll load them and tell you if they work.  

4. Has anyone...this is going to sound stupid since the program is not made for it, but has anyone tried to copy a movie or dvd to the hardrive with the loader?

Won't work.  The PS2 has already selected Playstation2 compatibiltiy mode when it boots the hdloader disc.  That's also why PS1 games won't work.  Now, some genius out there might be able to work out a HDloader-type program for the PS2 that will do DVDs or PS1 games, but the current version doesn't work that way.

5. Does the HDloader work perfectly with the offical drive?

Define "work perfectly".  You still can't load games that don't work with HD loader, regardless.  You can still use the Official HD to transfer memory card saves, download FFXI content, etc. even if HDloader has games saved on the drive (space permitting)

6. am I getting annoying from all these questions?

Do you really want me to answer that?

[moobyghost]

So there is absoltuely no real reason to buy the offical sony hard drive? I dont care about memory saves and if I want FFXI I would rather buy it for the PC for better resolution. The only benifit is you see the hard drive at the load screne. ok...

What do you guys think the odds of this are with working with future games?

[AlexC]

Just an FYI : Compusa has the Maxtor 160gb HD on sale this week $79.99 +tax out the door no rebates.
I know you won't be able to use the full 160gigs but still not a bad price for it.

Also, where did you guys order the HD loader from ? A couple places I looked at were either too high (34.99 for it no including shipping) or they were in Canada, I don't want to have to wait a couple weeks to get my hands on it.

[moobyghost]

Another question:

Say I buy a harddrive right, and before I get the HDloader program here, how will I know if they ps2 acknoledges the fact that there is hard drive in there?

[abrannan]

Another question:

Say I buy a harddrive right, and before I get the HDloader program here, how will I know if they ps2 acknoledges the fact that there is hard drive in there?

Why do you care?  You won't be able to use it for anything.  

[abrannan]

Just an FYI : Compusa has the Maxtor 160gb HD on sale this week $79.99 +tax out the door no rebates.
I know you won't be able to use the full 160gigs but still not a bad price for it.

Also, where did you guys order the HD loader from ? A couple places I looked at were either too high (34.99 for it no including shipping) or they were in Canada, I don't want to have to wait a couple weeks to get my hands on it.

I ordered mine from Divineo (In Canada, it was $30 + $16 for FedEx Express shipping).  I got it two days after it shipped.  

[kman1666]

Hey everyone, just for your info, the hard drive offered at Comp USA does work with HDLoader. I installed it today. It recognizes 127gigs of the 160.

[kman1666]

Hey, I am having a problem...I am using a Maxtor ATA133 160gig and HDloader..it loaded, formatted, and I ripped a couple of games, but none of them work. When I click on any of them the screen goes black. I have looked on a couple compatibility lists and some of the games I've installed are suppost to work default. I am not sure if it is my hard drive, but I would figure if it installed and ripped, it wouldnt be the HD. Any suggestions? Thanks

[abrannan]

Hey, I am having a problem...I am using a Maxtor ATA133 160gig and HDloader..it loaded, formatted, and I ripped a couple of games, but none of them work. When I click on any of them the screen goes black. I have looked on a couple compatibility lists and some of the games I've installed are suppost to work default. I am not sure if it is my hard drive, but I would figure if it installed and ripped, it wouldnt be the HD. Any suggestions? Thanks

Installed and "ripped", as you put it, doesn't mean squat as far as being playable.  I can install and "rip" Soul Claibur 2 on my drive, but it doesn't play.  

Check the drive compatibility list here http://ps2drives.x-pec.com/

[jujuman]

Great site for drive compatability!

IS there a site for game compatability

how is everyone mounting the drive. I mean the PS2 drive has the special mounting brackets and I'm afraid of shorting out the drive is i just place it in the expansion bay.

Are you wrapping it bubble wrap or what?

[igorian]

how is everyone mounting the drive. I mean the PS2 drive has the special mounting brackets and I'm afraid of shorting out the drive is i just place it in the expansion bay.

Are you wrapping it bubble wrap or what?

The official drive, being smaller, is slim and doesn't fit the full size of the bay.  While the bracket does 'lock' the drive into place I would say that it's more primary feature is to widen the drive so as to make if 'fit' the slot.  All of the 120's I've tried fit exactly perfectly into the bay.  There would be no reason, or room to fit, any other packing material for safety.  It fits just fine.

[Floyd10]

...cool...

[moobyghost]

I read someone say that the HDloader program asks you to format the drive when you put it in, if you buy the offical drive do you still have to do this?

[kman1666]

I read someone say that the HDloader program asks you to format the drive when you put it in, if you buy the offical drive do you still have to do this?

No, if the HD is already formatted for ps2 use you do not have to format it..meaning you can leave FFXI in tact and still rip games onto the HD.

[jam92102]

Gotta a letter from them today saying they moved and have many backorders of HD's to ship.  Hope I get mine.  I'm kinda worried!

[stubby0011]

I am wanting to get NFL2k5 for PS2 and if you have the hard drive you will get highlights at halftime and at the end of the game.  I don't want to drop $100 on the FFXI/HDD and was curious if I bought a 120 GB and the HD Loader program if that the drive would allow the game to use it correctly?  

[abrannan]

I am wanting to get NFL2k5 for PS2 and if you have the hard drive you will get highlights at halftime and at the end of the game.  I don't want to drop $100 on the FFXI/HDD and was curious if I bought a 120 GB and the HD Loader program if that the drive would allow the game to right to it correctly?  

My guess would be no, but you never know whether or not the game will write to any HDD or not.

[moobyghost]

Wal-mart now has the PS2 harddrive for 88 bucks instead of 100. Just thought somone may like to know.

[crashwg]

Does anyone have the HDloader + a modchip and check if you can load from a burned disk?  You know, for backup purposes only of course...

[Dave_K.]

Does anyone have the HDloader + a modchip and check if you can load from a burned disk?  You know, for backup purposes only of course...

Isn't the point of the harddrive to be used as a form of backup device?  Also, if the original works fine, why would you be using your backup to load it on the HD then?  

[crashwg]

I have disks that are too scratched for the PS2 to read, but I have backups, so I would like to load them from that...

[Dave_K.]

 

[Alex,N]

I've read throught this forum in curiousity on getting the HDD and HD Loader but the one thing that hasen't been menchened is that when you rent a game you can put it on the hard drive on have it untill you get bored of it or whatever not that thats why i would want it of course i just want it to get rid of all the clutter on my tabble.

[dema]

I've read throught this forum in curiousity on getting the HDD and HD Loader but the one thing that hasen't been menchened is that when you rent a game you can put it on the hard drive on have it untill you get bored of it or whatever not that thats why i would want it of course i just want it to get rid of all the clutter on my tabble.

That's why these things are being contested legally, because people can rip games for next to nothing by renting it. I only burn the games I have, and I do it so I don't have to reload discs, and to have everything in one place.

[Alex,N]

Well whatever i'm going on vacation and when i get back i'm going to order one and will be able to do what i want with it all i need now is a 120 gigabyt hard drive.

[Alex,N]

I'm interested to know if theres a way to get the hardware that comes with the official playstation HDD other then having to buy the actually HDD like the programs on it for the memory cards and watever else is on it.

[jam92102]

Just got mine in the mail today.  I was reading the manual and it said a minimum of 40g hd.  Has anyone tried anything less.  I've got a 20g laying around I'd like to use temporarily but I don't want to mess anything up.  Anyhelp would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks

[John]

I've tried with a 30gb maxtor and it worked fine.

[sofakng]

My 20GB Seagate 5400RPM drive worked fine.  It even fit perfectly so I didn't need to modify the network adapter

However I'd recommend getting a bigger drive.  I thought my 20GB would be fine but I'm already looking to purchase something a little bigger.

[jam92102]

THanks everybody I'll go try it now and post back.  

[b3atmania]

Has anyone seen a version of the HD Loader that will boot on a non-modded Japanese PS2? I have the SCPH-50000/MB package that came with the network adapter and official 40GB drive.

I have looked everywhere and only see US or PAL region HD Loader boot discs... I would be so ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- if they didn't release it for the Japanese region  machines... And no, I don't want to mod it...

[pointdablame]

Well if you dont want to mod it, you can give me your midnight blue ps2 and you can have mine

[b3atmania]

Has anyone seen a version of the HD Loader that will boot on a non-modded Japanese PS2? I have the SCPH-50000/MB package that came with the network adapter and official 40GB drive.

At last! I found a site that sells the Japanese region HD Loader: http://www.linker4u.com/

[jujuman]

Got mine in the mail today gonna try it with a maxtor 20gb 32049H3 model
will post results

Has anyone else seen more game compatabilites?

[jam92102]

I had trouble with Mafia.  It played and there was sound in the cut scenes but no sound in the gameplay.  Also my maxtor 20g drive works just fine.  Only holds about 6 games though.

[jujuman]

DUDE!

Dirv3r works!!!
Loads fast as shiznat!

[jujuman]

Well driv3r works well the drive i'm using is a bit older and has a slower txfr time. in some instantces in the game it would hang for a sec then the game would pick up we it hung.
I mean that the ps2 did not reset at all but a glitch here and there but after it got going for a few hrs the drive works great.

I know its been asked but no one has tried it, can you load a game to one HD then remove the drive and transfer it to another. After the 2nd HD has been formatted with the hdloader program. sort of like upgrading the drive. In the event that this is possible the data could be transfered via multiple conduits  

I'd like to know befor I start to fill this 20G drive and then need to start removing some games to make room for others
B

[pointdablame]

Well driv3r works well the drive i'm using is a bit older and has a slower txfr time. in some instantces in the game it would hang for a sec then the game would pick up we it hung.
I mean that the ps2 did not reset at all but a glitch here and there but after it got going for a few hrs the drive works great.

I know its been asked but no one has tried it, can you load a game to one HD then remove the drive and transfer it to another. After the 2nd HD has been formatted with the hdloader program. sort of like upgrading the drive. In the event that this is possible the data could be transfered via multiple conduits  

I'd like to know befor I start to fill this 20G drive and then need to start removing some games to make room for others
B

Why would it really matter if you are backing up your personal game collection? Once you put in the new drive, you'll just need to spend a few hours backing up all of your legally obtained games to your new HDD.  Won't be too difficult at all, I've done it with my xbox collection before.

[abrannan]

Well driv3r works well the drive i'm using is a bit older and has a slower txfr time. in some instantces in the game it would hang for a sec then the game would pick up we it hung.
I mean that the ps2 did not reset at all but a glitch here and there but after it got going for a few hrs the drive works great.

I know its been asked but no one has tried it, can you load a game to one HD then remove the drive and transfer it to another. After the 2nd HD has been formatted with the hdloader program. sort of like upgrading the drive. In the event that this is possible the data could be transfered via multiple conduits  

I'd like to know befor I start to fill this 20G drive and then need to start removing some games to make room for others
B

The PS2 drive uses a different File system than normal PCs (and the Xbox I believe).  It' would be a matter of finding a program that can read the FS.

[Alex,N]

lets say you have the Official HDD for the ps2 and you bought a secound with more space could you hook them up to your computer and transfer the data from the ps2 HDD to the bigger HDD?

[crashwg]

Is the HDloader program on a cd or dvd?

[Alex,N]

I'm getting it today so i'll tell you later

[jujuman]

It seems to be a CD
it comes up as Crazy Taxi
CDFS
562mb in size

but only 72 files in 7 folders 145mb with all files selected
half of the CD is written on when you look at the bottom
Comes with a manual and case
J

[jujuman]

Ratcher and Clank Going Commando, LOTR Fellowship both work with HDLoader

[jam92102]

I'd like to find a way to make a "backup copy" of hd loader that will actually work on a non modded ps2.  Like some sort of program that will burn it onto a dvd and make the ps2 accept it.  Any ideas?

[abrannan]

I'd like to find a way to make a "backup copy" of hd loader that will actually work on a non modded ps2.  Like some sort of program that will burn it onto a dvd and make the ps2 accept it.  Any ideas?

Won't work.  If there were a way to do this, then there'd be "backup" copies of every game out there, since it would work under the same premise.

[Bgnome]

abrannan is correct.  you would at least need to physically modify your ps2 in order to boot backups.

[Dave_K.]

I'd like to find a way to make a "backup copy" of hd loader that will actually work on a non modded ps2.  Like some sort of program that will burn it onto a dvd and make the ps2 accept it.  Any ideas?

A'hoy matey!  Me thinks this thead has sunken lower than Davey Jones locker!  Pirating the program that lets you pirate games is just too parasitic for my brain to accept.

[pointdablame]

Seriously...... wow.

You want to pirate something that could potentially be used for pirating in itself?  Do you steal movies from blockbuster too, instead of renting them... so that you can make a "backup" of it??

sheesh.

[jam92102]

Actually I bought the hdloader.  My friend is too cheap and wants a copy of mine.  As far as copying games whether anybody admits it or not that's what this product was made for.  Why else would you find it on all the mod chip sites.  For all you who only copy games you own then i say kudos to you.  But I am not rich enough to spend 50 bucks for a game that usually isn't even worth 20.  To each his own I guess.

[crashwg]

Nope you aren't going to be able to play a backup copy of anything on a PS2 without modding or a swap trick.

As for if a backup will work on a modded PS2...  Feel free to send me a copy and I'll test it for ya.  

No, seriously... send me a PM!    

[Dave_K.]

For all you who only copy games you own then i say kudos to you.  But I am not rich enough to spend 50 bucks for a game that usually isn't even worth 20.  To each his own I guess.

Jam, this is not directed at you personally, but if someone can't afford 50 bucks for a game that isn't even worth $20, then why would anyone be interested in it in the first place!?  And with this rampant pirating, can you blame distributors for jacking up the price?  

Anyway sorry for bringing this off topic, I know this is a senseless argument.  

[abrannan]

I'm thinking we're about 5 posts away from either invoking Godwin's law, or this thread being locked (I vote for the latter, by the way).

[esk1mo]

well the majority of games work with HD LOADER i have it very good program, the reason some of them dont work is they are dual layed and the hd loader only will only save the bottom layer to your HD, but you can save it by following this process through your pc these are dvd 9 games

http://www.cdrinfo.com/forum/tm.asp?m=72482

there is a group of games that are just incompatible,  dvd 5 games im not sure why but hear is a very good compatibility list i have a  almost ful 127 gb (160) full and havent found a mistake yet

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/casey.miller/HD%20Loader%20Compatibility.htm

[igorian]

For all you who only copy games you own then i say kudos to you.  But I am not rich enough to spend 50 bucks for a game that usually isn't even worth 20.  To each his own I guess.

Individuals like you are why Sony is fighting HD Loader.  The site I bought mine from was shut down by Sony Injuctions.  Just timing is why I was lucky enough to get mine.  Some of the other sites still selling are because they aren't in the US.

So you can't afford a $50.00 game.  Niether can I really, but I have copied into my drive one or two games my dad had gotten.  Once I realized how great one was, I went out and bought it to be legal, the other, I've deleted.  You ask why pay for something not worth it?  Don't!

By the way, I use the product to only get full functionality of the drive in my system.  Before, since it was only usable for FFXII, it seemed pointless.  I'd considered upgrading to a 120GB, but when I saw that it wasn't compatible with other PS2 functions I decided to remain with the official 40GB Sony.  Those other functions:  One of them anyway is that only the official drive lets you copy game saves to the HDD.  No other drive does.  Many have multiple memory cards, but I only have one that was maxed out.  I weighed the pros and cons between the HDD and more memory cards.  The HDD made much more sense for the price.

P.S.  I hate Final Fantasy, never even registered it.  Does anyone want to buy my code?

To each his own,

[dema]

I agree with some of the recent comments that the thread has taken a bit of a wrong turn. I think it's bad to pirate games on active consoles because it hurts everyone in the industry. In order to make a console viable it's important that the developers get paid their due in order to make bigger and better, and to absorb some of the losses from their clunkers.

I was interested in the PS2 hard drive and HD Loader, and the XBox mod-chip, because I liked the idea of being able to integrate it into my arcade cabinet. Every game that I download to a hard drive is a game I own, and sometimes I've even gone out and bought used games from stores and from Ebay/Amazon shops in order to put them on the drive.

I'm not judging anyone, but hopefully the HD Loader and Xbox mod chips are being used more often for the owner's convenience than for taking games for free.

[pointdablame]

I agree with some of the recent comments that the thread has taken a bit of a wrong turn. I think it's bad to pirate games on active consoles because it hurts everyone in the industry. In order to make a console viable it's important that the developers get paid their due in order to make bigger and better, and to absorb some of the losses from their clunkers.

I was interested in the PS2 hard drive and HD Loader, and the XBox mod-chip, because I liked the idea of being able to integrate it into my arcade cabinet. Every game that I download to a hard drive is a game I own, and sometimes I've even gone out and bought used games from stores and from Ebay/Amazon shops in order to put them on the drive.

I'm not judging anyone, but hopefully the HD Loader and Xbox mod chips are being used more often for the owner's convenience than for taking games for free.

Very well put.  I agree totally.  My Xbox makes me so happy because I can play any game I want on it without having to get up and change discs.  For my lazy ass, this is fantastic.  Pick a game, play, reboot, pick another, etc etc.  

If you can't afford the games though... just don't buy them.  Piracy is bad mmkay?

[jam92102]

I see everyones point on the piracy.  I just want to state a few points, didn't check if I stated them already.  The reason's (at least I believe don't know if it's fact) that games are 50 bucks is because people pirate them.  In turn some people, like me, pirate them because they're 50 bucks.  Now most games I've played are not worth 50 bucks regardless of why they are 50 bucks.  This is proven time and again when you see a game come out and two or three weeks later it's half that.  There have been a few games that I thought were worth my money (GTA series, Kingdom Hearts, and I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting).  But for the most part a lot of games I play only hold my interest for a day or two.  To me that is not worth anything near what companies charge for games.  

Some of you may think they are worth it and I'm not bashing you for buying games.  My friend that I was talking about that wanted the hdloader has over 60 games that he bought brand new.  I don't think less of him for it, I just see all that money he throws away when he plays a game for a week he just spent 50 bucks on then never touches again.  

So I guess in conclusion on everyone's moral list I'm probably scum.  But I think companies trying to make 50 bucks on something (not all the time) that's worth 10 are scum.  Sorry if you all don't agree.  

[abrannan]

I see everyones point on the piracy.  I just want to state a few points, didn't check if I stated them already.  The reason's (at least I believe don't know if it's fact) that games are 50 bucks is because people pirate them.  In turn some people, like me, pirate them because they're 50 bucks.  Now most games I've played are not worth 50 bucks regardless of why they are 50 bucks.  This is proven time and again when you see a game come out and two or three weeks later it's half that.  There have been a few games that I thought were worth my money (GTA series, Kingdom Hearts, and I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting).  But for the most part a lot of games I play only hold my interest for a day or two.  To me that is not worth anything near what companies charge for games.  

Some of you may think they are worth it and I'm not bashing you for buying games.  My friend that I was talking about that wanted the hdloader has over 60 games that he bought brand new.  I don't think less of him for it, I just see all that money he throws away when he plays a game for a week he just spent 50 bucks on then never touches again.  

So I guess in conclusion on everyone's moral list I'm probably scum.  But I think companies trying to make 50 bucks on something (not all the time) that's worth 10 are scum.  Sorry if you all don't agree.  

First off, console games were $50 long before they were easily pirated.  NES and SNES games were $50 when those were the modern consoles.  $50 has nothing to do with piracy.  $50 is the established price point for console entertainment.  I'd wager that the price you're willing to pay has dropped due to piracy, though.  Why pay $50 for a game when you can download it, or other games, for free?  Piracy, and yes, emulation, have made electronic entertainment so much easier to obtain that the difference between what you can have for free (legal or not) and what you're asked $50 to pay for isn't worth the difference.  Add on to that the fact that we're asymptotically approaching reality, so next year's game will be just that much more real than last years.  Look at FPS's.

2005: Half Life 2
2000: Half Life
1995: Quake I
1990: Wolf3d

Wll half-life 2 be as much improved over half life as Quake was improved over Wolf3d?  Or even Half life over Quake 1?


Discussing piracy on the internet is always a tricky subject, because you don't want the lawyers coming after the website owner.  So, piracy becomes the 500 lb. gorilla that everyone has to talk around.  

[dema]

So I guess in conclusion on everyone's moral list I'm probably scum.  

I don't think you're scum, I just think there are better ways of filtering out the rubbish, and there are a lot of it out there. I can't tell you how many games I've bought that are such garbage that I play them once or twice and then never touch them again. But the fact that they suck and I was a sucker for buying into the hype of commercials, screenshots, and magazine articles, doesn't make me think that I should get some of my money back by burning other games. The reason is because someone loses in that equation, namely the people who make the good game. The only way for the industry to thrive is to take money from the bad games/developers and pay for the good games.

A couple solutions would be to either rent games before you buy them to avoid the bad ones, or to buy them used. I'm starting to do more of that rather than buying a game that I'm not sure if I'd like. I've been burned too many times in the past...Turok Evolution, Driver 3, etc.

[jam92102]

I kind of agree with you both and see your points.  And at the suggestion I'll stop discussing this because I love this site and would hate to see it shutdown.  Nice debating with you all though.

[Dave_K.]

I used to always rent games before buying them, but now with blockbuster charging $6 a pop for just a week, its just not worth it.  I'll still someones do it when I see a 2 for one rental coupon in my gaming magazines.

Here is my strategy for buying games.

1) Never buy a game new when it first comes out.  Its worth waiting for real people to review the game first.  Its also worth it to wait for the demo (which usually comes out after the game is released...see #2 below).

2) Subscribe to magazines that come with free demo DVDs (like Official Xbox Magazine, and Official Playstation Magazine).  The price of a $39 subscription is worth the 12 DVDs with about 5 demo's on each disc (not to mention all the other cool content on the dvd).  I can't tell you how much play time I've gotten out of mine...I must have like over 100 demos! its TOTALLY worth it for finding games you are actually interested in buying.

3) Borrow/trade with friends (come on, they can't be playing their entire library all the time!)

4) Finally, buy the game used or after the initial marketing blitz it over (and prices come down).

[crashwg]

Get em while they're still available!

http://www.hdloader.com/

I ordered mine today even though I can't afford it just to make sure I get a copy!

[Fig]

Yea I ordered mine a few hours ago. I hope everything goes good and the still sell them  

Question. Ive read this post and there was nothing said that it will back up ps1 games.Has anyone tryed this or not because I still have a few ps1 games that I still play Thanks

[igorian]

Yea I ordered mine a few hours ago. I hope everything goes good and the still sell them  

Question. Ive read this post and there was nothing said that it will back up ps1 games.Has anyone tryed this or not because I still have a few ps1 games that I still play Thanks

eskimo had listed this link:  http://www.cdrinfo.com/forum/tm.asp?m=72482

It details HDL_DUMB.  A program by which it may very well be possible to intall CD based games instead of just DVD based games.  HDL_DUMB runs on your PC to accomplish the HD Loader incompatible loads.  I plan on testing it soon, so if I find out I'll let everyone know.

[abrannan]

Yea I ordered mine a few hours ago. I hope everything goes good and the still sell them  

Question. Ive read this post and there was nothing said that it will back up ps1 games.Has anyone tryed this or not because I still have a few ps1 games that I still play Thanks

It won't.  If the HDloader site was still active you could read it in their FAQ.

[crashwg]

It details HDL_DUMB.  A program by which it may very well be possible to intall CD based games instead of just DVD based games.  HDL_DUMB runs on your PC to accomplish the HD Loader incompatible loads.  I plan on testing it soon, so if I find out I'll let everyone know.

The problem with loading PSX games as apposed to PS2 is not the fact that they are on cd but rather the fact that when you boot the PS2 with the HDloader disk in the PS2 goes into PS2 mode.  The only way to switch out of PS2 mode is to reset the console so as you can probably figure out it's not posible.

But I'm keeping my fingers crossed that someone will pick this project up and alter it so the PS2 boots in PSX mode, then it would be posible.

[moobyghost]

Question:

I am going to Michigan on Tuesday for two weeks vacation. While I am there we are crossing into canada for a visit. right now American money is worth more than Canadian money. 100 bucks usa = 125 canadian. So my question is, if I bought a PS2 harddrive in Canada becuase it would be cheaper, would it still work fine in my ps2?

[Stingray]

Canada also uses NTSC so I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work.

-S

[AlexC]

FYI : I did some testing with HDL-DUMB program and with it you are able to copy a ps2 game "backup" to your HD and play it on your UNmodded ps2.  

[crashwg]

FYI : I did some testing with HDL-DUMB program and with it you are able to copy a ps2 game "backup" to your HD and play it on your UNmodded ps2.  

Some other usefull information you might want to know:

I have the HDloader program along with a DMS3 modchip and I could NOT load burned copies of games to the HD.

Also, I could not find the HDL-DUMB program.  Fortunatly there's another program called "WinHIIP" that does the same things and I got it to work.

Now I'm not entirely sure I did everything right when it comes to loading burned copies inside the PS2 so here's what I did, incase someone wants to tell me what I did wrong:

I installed the HD in the back of the PS2
I popped the HDLoader disk into the PS2
I hit "install"
I ejected the disk
I inserted blank disk
It gave me some message about it not being a valid PS2 game

I also tried holding X when I reinserted the game as that is the button that is supposed to send the PS2 code from the DMS3 modchip and that didn't work either.

[igorian]

For whatever reason HDL_Dumb didn't recognize my hard drive, so I tried WinHIIP which did.  But instead of working it caused the drive to no longer be recognized by the PS2.  I'd tried to install something that HD Loader couldn't do directly which may have been my downfall, but it said successful.  Anyway I had to do a new format and start over.  Does anyone have any ideas?  Thanks.

[AlexC]

This is the way it worked for me :
I took the HD (Maxtor 160gb) from the PS2 with games on it and put drive into a USB2.0 external enclosure and plug it into the USB port on my computer. Started HDL-Dumb and copied game from a backup disc into the drive. Once completed, I placed drive back into PS2 and game worked without any problems.
Hope this helps.

[JoyMonkey]

Does anyone know anything about "HDloader Advance"?
It seems to be an upgraded HDloader, but I have no idea what the difference is between it and the original. Baysoft Games is selling it for $28.99 (+shipping).
They've got the PS2 Network Adapter on sale for $28.99 too.

Edit: Never mind, I found this on eBay:

Other than converting original game discs to HDD, HDAdvance also supports converting Backup/Import Game discs to HDD.
2 discs(CD+DVD) are included in the package.
The CD version is used for converting CD Backups/Imports while DVD version is used for converting DVD Backups/Imports.

[Stingray]

I finally got around to buying a hard drive & network adapter for my PS2. I got a 160 GB Seagate drive at Compusa for $109 and it had a $50 rebate. Pretty good deal I thought. Works great with HDLoader. GTA: Vice City loads WAY faster from the HD than from the DVD. I also installed The Simpsons Hit & Run, which works fine from the HD. Is anyone compiling a list of games that work with HDLoader?

-S

[abrannan]

I finally got around to buying a hard drive & network adapter for my PS2. I got a 160 GB Seagate drive at Compusa for $109 and it had a $50 rebate. Pretty good deal I thought. Works great with HDLoader. GTA: Vice City loads WAY faster from the HD than from the DVD. I also installed The Simpsons Hit & Run, which works fine from the HD. Is anyone compiling a list of games that work with HDLoader?

-S

Yes, HD loader makes the criminal (pun only slightly intended) loadings times of the GTA series bearable.

[Stingray]

I was very pleased to find that when you get to the point on the bridges where the other part of the city loads, the "Welcome to Vice City" (or whatever it says) splash screen only flashes on screen. There's almost zero load time there at all. I'll be installing my collection on the HD over the next couple of weeks. I'll be happy to post which games I load and how they work if anyone's interested.

Unless there's already a game compatability list out there.

-S

[AlexC]

Here's the list I use :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/casey.miller/HD%20Loader%20Compatibility.htm