Author Topic: TOKENS: Poll 3: Slogan VOTING CLOSED (Read 8384 times)

Santoro · « **on:** May 16, 2004, 09:57:05 pm »

It was hard deciding which to put in the eight. If I missed one that really should have been in here PM me and I'll check it out.

Chris · « **Reply #1 on:** May 16, 2004, 10:37:38 pm »

I'm a little concerned about the format of this poll. Three of the choices
(WHERE THE GAME IS NEVER OVER, The Game is Never Over, and GAME NOT OVER) are essentially the same choice with slightly different wording. This will cause their votes to be split up, possibly making the Lord of the Rings slogan appear to be more popular in the end.

I hope, when you total the votes, that you consider all of the votes for these three slogans to be a votes for this "concept", and if they total higher than the others, then take the one of the three that has the highest number of votes among them as the ultimate winner.

Pixelhugger · « **Reply #2 on:** May 16, 2004, 10:45:20 pm »

Exactly. I second what Chris says about grouping them as a concept.

Santoro · « **Reply #3 on:** May 16, 2004, 11:36:26 pm »

Fair enough. I hadn't thought of that.

maraxle · « **Reply #4 on:** May 16, 2004, 11:40:10 pm »

That's like saying that you can combine the votes for Kerry, Dean, and Edwards, since they're all Democrats. Maybe the "not over" group should have held a primary first...

Chris · « **Reply #5 on:** May 16, 2004, 11:42:33 pm »

Quote from: maraxle on May 16, 2004, 11:40:10 pm

That's like saying that you can combine the votes for Kerry, Dean, and Edwards, since they're all Democrats. Maybe the "not over" group should have held a primary first...

That was my intent over the weekend, but it didn't work out that way.

Santoro · « **Reply #6 on:** May 16, 2004, 11:44:03 pm »

Quote from: maraxle on May 16, 2004, 11:40:10 pm

That's like saying that you can combine the votes for Kerry, Dean, and Edwards, since they're all Democrats. Maybe the "not over" group should have held a primary first...

~~If the combined votes are close, we will do a vote-off between the combined ones and the LOTR one.~~

edit: Check that, that would be no different from what we are doing above.

I think conceptually "Where the game is never over" and "The game is never over" are conceptually similar. That is, I can't imagine someone loving one and hating the other. If you like one, you will very likely like the other also, so combining them as one is probably OK.

"Game not over" is different. I think it should stand on its own.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #7 on:** May 16, 2004, 11:50:33 pm »

I've already voted, as I knew what I wanted before seeing your options, and I'm thankful you had chosen what I wanted.

That being said, any chance of getting images made of these so people will have an idea of what each will look like? Kinda like in the design thread?

Chris · « **Reply #8 on:** May 16, 2004, 11:56:29 pm »

Quote from: drewkaree on May 16, 2004, 11:50:33 pm

I've already voted, as I knew what I wanted before seeing your options, and I'm thankful you had chosen what I wanted.

That being said, any chance of getting images made of these so people will have an idea of what each will look like? Kinda like in the design thread?

Well, the tricky part about that is the interaction with the top text, which is also being voted on. There are quite a number of combination possibilities. Some of the combinations are technically not possible.

Right now, though, it looks as if it's between two tops and two bottoms, which gives us four choices. One of those, I believe, already has a mockup.

I can mock up the others, but I can't give them the full bling effect... you'll have to use your imagination...

DrewKaree · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:03:17 am »

*closes eyes and imagines tokens resting safely in his hand*

Hey, I'm pretty good with that imagination thing! Even if you just put either top or bottom on it, someone may smack their forehead in disgust after seeing it in print...."Blech, I thought THAT was the bomb?!?!"

Generic Eric · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:10:03 am »

Quote from: Chris on May 16, 2004, 10:37:38 pm

I'm a little concerned about the format of this poll. Three of the choices
(WHERE THE GAME IS NEVER OVER, The Game is Never Over, and GAME NOT OVER) are essentially the same choice with slightly different wording. This will cause their votes to be split up, possibly making the Lord of the Rings slogan appear to be more popular in the end.

I hope, when you total the votes, that you consider all of the votes for these three slogans to be a votes for this "concept", and if they total higher than the others, then take the one of the three that has the highest number of votes among them as the ultimate winner.

Ya, what Chis said

Chris · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:12:43 am »

Quote from: drewkaree on May 17, 2004, 12:03:17 am

*closes eyes and imagines tokens resting safely in his hand*

Hey, I'm pretty good with that imagination thing! Even if you just put either top or bottom on it, someone may smack their forehead in disgust after seeing it in print...."Blech, I thought THAT was the bomb?!?!"

Here's the last mockup I did. It uses "ONE CREDIT" and "WHERE THE GAME NEVER ENDS". Hopefully it'll also suffice for "THE GAME NEVER ENDS".

Tilzs · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:18:22 am »

One ring to rule them all? Ask yourself if that is going to be "dated" in say 3 years. I like LOTR and all but I don't know if a current pop culture fad is a good basis for a slogan on a token that is likely to be around for a long time.

Calawala · « **Reply #13 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:19:40 am »

The results are starting to show that the LOTR slogan is sorta popular. I just have one request should it win: change the "1" to a "ONE"

Santoro · « **Reply #14 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:24:52 am »

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One ring to rule them all? Ask yourself if that is going to be "dated" in say 3 years. I like LOTR and all but I don't know if a current pop culture fad is a good basis for a slogan on a token that is likely to be around for a long time.

I'll be pretty bummed if that one wins too. There will be a lot of non-geek non-scifi people playing my cab, It sounds kludgy if you are not famailiar with the books/movies. WTF?

edit: Plus, it aint a coin! It's a token!

edit2: Plus, one coin will only play one!. You need 4000 coins to play them all! Lies! (insert Sam Kinison scream here)

Santoro · « **Reply #15 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:26:52 am »

Quote from: Calawala on May 17, 2004, 12:19:40 am

The results are starting to show that the LOTR slogan is sorta popular. I just have one request should it win: change the "1" to a "ONE"

Agreed. I changed it.

Chris · « **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:29:58 am »

Quote from: Santoro on May 17, 2004, 12:24:52 am

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One ring to rule them all? Ask yourself if that is going to be "dated" in say 3 years. I like LOTR and all but I don't know if a current pop culture fad is a good basis for a slogan on a token that is likely to be around for a long time.

I'll be pretty bummed if that one wins too. There will be a lot of non-geek non-scifi people playing my cab, It sounds kludgy if you are not famailiar with the books/movies. WTF?

edit: Plus, it aint a coin! It's a token!

Well, in case it wins, here's what it might look like:

Santoro · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:37:25 am »

And yet, even with the [IHMO] not-optimal slogan, this coin will be unreal.

thanks Chris.

{edit. made this a little more diplomatic.

}

Chris · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:57:58 am »

Well, the other two polls are turning into runaways, so the top text looks like it's going to be "NO CASH VALUE". That makes it a contest between the above image and this one:

Chris · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2004, 01:05:43 am »

Side-by-side for convenience.

quarterstringer · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2004, 03:22:52 am »

Will there be a runoff between the top two slogans?

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #21 on:** May 17, 2004, 06:12:00 am »

I don't understand this "The Game Is Never Over" slogan. Uh, yeah, the game IS OVER when you run out of lives!

As for "One coin To Play Them All" , uh how are you "playing them all" for just one coin? Don't you need a bunch of coins to play them all?

Can't someone come up with a better slogan? Something to do with Retro, Nostalgia, Re-living our youth or something like that?

Personally, I don't like any of the current slogan ideas, hence I voted NO SLOGAN. BAH!

patrickl · « **Reply #22 on:** May 17, 2004, 06:31:34 am »

I also think this poll needs a second run. I'd say take the two most popular and run another poll. (Or do two runs and have 5000 with one slogan and 5000 with the other)

I don't understand this geek reference that keeps coming up. I'd say geeks have no humor and thus they would rather choose for the save humorless options. So I asked several "normal" people (i.e people who don't build their own arcade cabinets) and they all didn't get things like "where the game never ends" and rewordings of that (you can play forever on one coin?) or "good for extended play" (huh?) or "Ludo Ergo Sum" (didn't know these games where that old), but without exception they liked the "one coin to play them all".

I didn't say which one I liked, just gave them the list. They did of course know I was building a cab that could play all the classic games and I guess they immediately picked up that reference.

Santoro · « **Reply #23 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:48:20 am »

Quote from: Magnet_Eye on May 17, 2004, 06:12:00 am

I don't understand this "The Game Is Never Over" slogan. Uh, yeah, the game IS OVER when you run out of lives!

Yeah, but you have a cabinet in your house with a bucket of tokens and the key to the cash box! The 'game' is never over.

I dunno. Not many of these grab me that much either. I actually like the latin one because it is clever and coin-like.

SuperRabbit0 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:51:56 am »

Quote from: patrickl on May 17, 2004, 06:31:34 am

... but without exception they liked the "one coin to play them all".

You know, this makes so much sense to me. This is the only slogan that actually says what the coin/token does.

Maybe there is a way to rework this so that it says that this one coin can play all the games without the LOTR reference?

How can a group of people capable of such great work not come up with a good slogan?

Chris · « **Reply #25 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:58:10 am »

Quote from: SuperRabbit0 on May 17, 2004, 08:51:56 am

Quote from: patrickl on May 17, 2004, 06:31:34 am

... but without exception they liked the "one coin to play them all".

Maybe there is a way to rework this so that it says that this one coin can play all the games without the LOTR reference?

Well, it's not a coin, it's a toke,. and you can play them all, but only one at a time. So, to rework this phrase slightly to remove the LOTR reference, how about:

"ONE TOKEN ONE PLAY"

Chris · « **Reply #26 on:** May 17, 2004, 09:02:41 am »

Quote from: Santoro on May 17, 2004, 08:48:20 am

Quote from: Magnet_Eye on May 17, 2004, 06:12:00 am
I don't understand this "The Game Is Never Over" slogan. Uh, yeah, the game IS OVER when you run out of lives!

Yeah, but you have a cabinet in your house with a bucket of tokens and the key to the cash box! The 'game' is never over.

I dunno. Not many of these grab me that much either. I actually like the latin one because it is clever and coin-like.

That was why I preferred "Where the game is never over", which applies to both your game room and BYOAC. But I was the only one who voted for that, and I'm fine without "Where", so you can consider my "Where the game never ends" vote a "The game never ends" vote.

AmericanDemon · « **Reply #27 on:** May 17, 2004, 09:30:40 am »

Rock on. My slogan suggestion is in the lead! To think it was the first thing to pop in my mind!

maraxle · « **Reply #28 on:** May 17, 2004, 09:52:10 am »

Quote from: Chris on May 17, 2004, 08:58:10 am

Well, it's not a coin, it's a toke,. and you can play them all, but only one at a time. So, to rework this phrase slightly to remove the LOTR reference, how about:

"ONE TOKEN ONE PLAY"

"ONE TOLKIEN ONE PLAY" haha!

Chris · « **Reply #29 on:** May 17, 2004, 09:55:03 am »

Quote from: maraxle on May 17, 2004, 09:52:10 am

Quote from: Chris on May 17, 2004, 08:58:10 am
Well, it's not a coin, it's a toke,. and you can play them all, but only one at a time. So, to rework this phrase slightly to remove the LOTR reference, how about:

"ONE TOKEN ONE PLAY"

"ONE TOLKIEN ONE PLAY" haha!

Stingray · « **Reply #30 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:07:14 am »

Quote from: Tilzs on May 17, 2004, 12:18:22 am

One ring to rule them all? Ask yourself if that is going to be "dated" in say 3 years. I like LOTR and all but I don't know if a current pop culture fad is a good basis for a slogan on a token that is likely to be around for a long time.

The Lord of the Rings has been immensly popular for a lot longer than the current movies have been around. I would have loved this slogan as much in 1982 as I do today. You're being very unfair refering to it as a 'pop culture fad'. LOTR is fantasy/ sci-fi icon. I guess I've always assumed that most people who are into video games are also into fantasy/ sci-fi. Is this not the case?

-S

Chris · « **Reply #31 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:09:31 am »

Quote from: Stingray on May 17, 2004, 11:07:14 am

Quote from: Tilzs on May 17, 2004, 12:18:22 am
One ring to rule them all? Ask yourself if that is going to be "dated" in say 3 years. I like LOTR and all but I don't know if a current pop culture fad is a good basis for a slogan on a token that is likely to be around for a long time.

The Lord of the Rings has been immensly popular for a lot longer than the current movies have been around. I would have loved this slogan as much in 1982 as I do today. You're being very unfair refering to it as a 'pop culture fad'. LOTR is fantasy/ sci-fi icon. I guess I've always assumed that most people who are into video games are also into fantasy/ sci-fi. Is this not the case?

I have never seen an LOTR arcade game. (Doesn't mean there wasn't one, just that I've never seen it.) Do you have Lord of the Rings sideart on your cab? If not, why not? Are you not a fan?

Chris · « **Reply #32 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:16:13 am »

Now this is unexpected.... GAME NOT OVER is roaring back from the back of the pack...

Stingray · « **Reply #33 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:17:04 am »

I didn't mean to imply that I'm a foaming at the mouth raving Tolkien fan. I just thought the slogan was clever and seems like something that would appeal to general fantasy/ sci-fi fans.

-S

Tilzs · « **Reply #34 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:26:36 am »

Quote from: Stingray on May 17, 2004, 11:07:14 am

Quote from: Tilzs on May 17, 2004, 12:18:22 am
One ring to rule them all? Ask yourself if that is going to be "dated" in say 3 years. I like LOTR and all but I don't know if a current pop culture fad is a good basis for a slogan on a token that is likely to be around for a long time.

The Lord of the Rings has been immensly popular for a lot longer than the current movies have been around. I would have loved this slogan as much in 1982 as I do today. You're being very unfair refering to it as a 'pop culture fad'. LOTR is fantasy/ sci-fi icon. I guess I've always assumed that most people who are into video games are also into fantasy/ sci-fi. Is this not the case?

-S

Star Wars is a icon as well. Star Wars has the added bonus of actually haveing arcade games made of it. Why don't we use the slogan "May the token be with you". It's sappy but yet a few years ago before Episode 1 was released I wouldn't be surpised if this got just as many votes as the LOTR slogan today.

Point really is that the slogan is a cheesy rip off of something that has nothing to do with arcade games.

Chris · « **Reply #35 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:27:23 am »

Quote from: Stingray on May 17, 2004, 11:17:04 am

I didn't mean to imply that I'm a foaming at the mouth raving Tolkien fan. I just thought the slogan was clever and seems like something that would appeal to general fantasy/ sci-fi fans.

But this isn't a sci/fi fantasy token. It's an arcade token.

I'm sure there are many LOTR fans who also enjoy Star Trek, but I doubt any of them would have wanted to see Legolas using a phaser instead of a bow when the movie was released. They would have probably felt like something they loved was desecrated to pander to a few fans who like both and would like to see such a crossover.

Well, I feel more strongly about an 80's arcade experience than I do about either LOTR or Star Trek. After being a member of this board for so long, I see time and time again people looking for authentic art, authentic materials, authentic controls. The only reason most of us have coin doors in a home-only machine is to get the full arcade experience. Why would we suddenly want a token to be related to a different genre altogether? It just doesn't make sense.

patrickl · « **Reply #36 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:28:08 am »

I don't think the "ONE COIN/TOKEN TO PLAY ALL" slogan is that much linked to LOTR fans either. I haven't even seen the last 2 parts of the LOTR movies! I saw the first one part on DVD though.

nighthawk2099 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:37:10 am »

This is just my 2 cents, so take it for what it's worth.

I feel that the "No Cash Value" adds to the arcade feel, since all the tokens say this so not to be confused with real money.

The "Game Not Over" really is a shorten version of "The Game is Never Over". The way it reads reminds me of the days I played the older games of the 80's like Missle Command and when you died it let you know "GAME OVER". It's also the sort of Mantra cry of MAME. "Game Not Over".... the game will be over only if an/or when this wonderful hobby dies and emulation stops.... The game will be over when they are no longer played and forgotten about.

!!!!! LONG LIVE MAME and GOD BLESS THE DEVs !!!!!!

ok... sorry about the soapbox thing..... You can go back to you normal lives....

Chris · « **Reply #38 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:38:01 am »

Quote from: Tilzs on May 17, 2004, 11:26:36 am

Star Wars is a icon as well. Star Wars has the added bonus of actually haveing arcade games made of it. Why don't we use the slogan "May the token be with you". It's sappy but yet a few years ago before Episode 1 was released I wouldn't be surpised if this got just as many votes as the LOTR slogan today.

Let's really do this right: "MAY THE TOLKIEN BE WITH YOU AND PROSPER." There, now we have 3 pop culture references!

maraxle · « **Reply #39 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:41:24 am »

If you didn't know that it was a LotR reference, "one coin/token to play them all" would still sound pretty authentic. It's not that far off from "One Token One Credit", and certainly more authentic than "Game Not Over". I've never seen that on a token anywhere.


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OK, let's stay calm. :-) Which do you like best for a slogan?

Author Topic: TOKENS: Poll 3: Slogan VOTING CLOSED (Read 8384 times)

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