Author Topic: BYOAC 2004 Custom Token Design Thread. (Read 102414 times)

Calawala · « **Reply #80 on:** May 12, 2004, 08:41:11 pm »

I kinda liked the way the player one symbol came out **insert biased disclaimer here**. I thought it's simplicity provided a good contrast to the relatively busy design of the atomic MAME.

I do like Chris's "happy player" design though, it's definately more of a complete design... though it kinda makes me wanna sing "Y-M-C-A" /duck

One thing I think we should do regardless: if we are to have a MAME design on one side, the other side should mention BYOAC, www.arcadecontrols.com, etc...

I do know what you mean Peale. But, I'm not sure if I know how to do that with Paint Shop Pro.

Chris · « **Reply #81 on:** May 12, 2004, 08:46:45 pm »

Here's the back with the bottom text flipped:

Chris · « **Reply #82 on:** May 12, 2004, 08:48:49 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on May 12, 2004, 08:39:23 pm

One question since I didn't play with tokens very often back when- what does 'extended play' refer to? Why wouldn't it say "good for 1 credit" or "good for 1 game?"

A real token wouldn't say that. Many very old games were timed, and by hitting a certain score or goal you could extend that time, which was called "Extended Play". (cf. Starship I, Pole Position, etc.) In this case, "Extended Play" is used as a metaphor for "Game Not Over".

AmericanDemon · « **Reply #83 on:** May 12, 2004, 08:55:28 pm »

Extended Play is just a phrase, meaning that this token will give you more play time than it used to, once again kinda referring back to the emulation scene.

Chris · « **Reply #84 on:** May 12, 2004, 09:07:36 pm »

Looks like we're not the first to think of an atomic token...

SirPeale · « **Reply #85 on:** May 12, 2004, 09:16:15 pm »

I've been playing with Illustrator a bit. How *do* you get the text on the bottom to be aligned that way? I've tried a dozen different ways, but when I flip it, it flips to the inside of the circle.

Chris · « **Reply #86 on:** May 12, 2004, 09:18:47 pm »

Quote from: Peale on May 12, 2004, 09:16:15 pm

I've been playing with Illustrator a bit. How *do* you get the text on the bottom to be aligned that way? I've tried a dozen different ways, but when I flip it, it flips to the inside of the circle.

I don't know. I use Corel Draw.

patrickl · « **Reply #87 on:** May 12, 2004, 09:48:38 pm »

Didn't come out completely the way I wanted but here goes:

It's supposed to be Pacman fossil. Like this:

Chris · « **Reply #88 on:** May 12, 2004, 10:33:33 pm »

I kinda like my back with Pixelhugger's front. Thus, here's one where I've changed the font to match his and thickened up the lines a bit:

Santoro · « **Reply #89 on:** May 12, 2004, 10:45:07 pm »

Chris, this keeps getting better. I like the spacing of the cab from the border. I also like the idea of your design on one side with the atomic logo on the other.

PixelHugger, I know that you are busy - If you can take a crack at the atomic logo with BYOAC as the text that would be awesome. (Though if you are too busy I am sure someone will step up to the plate. Just say the word. I know I hate when people give me tasks when I'm not around!

)

I think we are pretty close. Barring any new entrants that enthrall the group, I don't think we need more than a day or two to wrap the design up.

mmmPeanutButter · « **Reply #90 on:** May 12, 2004, 10:54:07 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on May 12, 2004, 10:45:07 pm

Chris, this keeps getting better. I like the spacing of the cab from the border. I also like the idea of your design on one side with the atomic logo on the other.

PixelHugger, I know that you are busy - If you can take a crack at the atomic logo with BYOAC as the text that would be awesome. (Though if you are too busy I am sure someone will step up to the plate. Just say the word. I know I hate when people give me tasks when I'm not around! )

I think we are pretty close. Barring any new entrants that enthrall the group, I don't think we need more than a day or two to wrap the design up.

While we're assigning tasks...

I like the one above of chris's too... Replace "good for extended play" with "arcadecontrols.org".

For the other side, I would like to see the first atomic logo with "mame" (preferred, but may like BYOC too), and write "better living through gaming" around it.

Maybe I'll try to do it in paint... [update] Win 98 paint wont let me work with those file types[/update]

DPsx7 · « **Reply #91 on:** May 12, 2004, 11:04:27 pm »

I was thinking the same thing as the guy above. The atomic logo with a MAME reference, and possibly this other one on the back, replacing "extended play" with the URL or a reference to BYOAC.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #92 on:** May 12, 2004, 11:13:43 pm »

Patrick, I don't know how everyone else feels about that, but I find it original and a clever use of imaging to get your point (classic) across. I also find it a bit funny, kinda Jurassic Park-ish....mebbe add a Pac-Ghost skeleton too! LOL

Chris · « **Reply #93 on:** May 12, 2004, 11:34:23 pm »

Here's my version of Pixelhugger's atomic logo using his font, my text, the URL flipped, and BYOAC instead of MAME:

Chris · « **Reply #94 on:** May 12, 2004, 11:46:24 pm »

Oops... here's an update. I fixed spacing and alignment problems in the URL and tightened up the atom:

Calawala · « **Reply #95 on:** May 13, 2004, 12:58:57 am »

Both those designs are lookin real sharp Chris. The BYOAC letters seem a little busy to me though. Too many lines.

And for the heck of it, I changed the font on the bathroom token. Dunno where you got the font from, I tried to match it as close as I could.

Chris · « **Reply #96 on:** May 13, 2004, 01:28:58 am »

Quote from: Calawala on May 13, 2004, 12:58:57 am

Both those designs are lookin real sharp Chris. The BYOAC letters seem a little busy to me though. Too many lines.

I was trying to match Pixelhugger's design; although it does look a bit cleaner with MAME than BYOAC, I'd stil be happy to have a token with it. BYOAC may need to be solid...

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And for the heck of it, I changed the font on the bathroom token. Dunno where you got the font from, I tried to match it as close as I could.

It's Handel Gothic, by Bitstream. Came with CorelDRAW.

Chris · « **Reply #97 on:** May 13, 2004, 01:34:26 am »

Here it is with BYOAC solid. I like it MUCH better this way!

Matt, GoC · « **Reply #98 on:** May 13, 2004, 01:53:53 am »

How about something along the lines of this for one side (quick slap-together)?

EDIT:
Although Chris's post (reply #97) is kick-ass too

! I just like the "Keeping Memories Alive" a bit better...

Matt, GoC · « **Reply #99 on:** May 13, 2004, 02:23:00 am »

OK. I vote for Chris's designs on both sides (posts 88 & 97) . I think they get the point across very professionally. I'd like to see legs on the happy arcade player, but it's a minor nitpick

. I applaude Chris for keeping it centered on Saint's site and not on any emulators. They'll be more functional that way. Some people may want to use them in pinball, actual dedicated cabs, pool tables, vending machines, etc. (yes, you could have these all in a gameroom, my dream room will

!) . MAME is too specific for me personally, even though most people use it. But we ALL use BYOAC, so I think it wins out.

patrickl · « **Reply #100 on:** May 13, 2004, 04:29:26 am »

Quote from: Chris on May 13, 2004, 01:34:26 am

Here it is with BYOAC solid. I like it MUCH better this way!

The electrons and their trails interfere with the lettering. Maybe if you put the electrons at half depth?

patrickl · « **Reply #101 on:** May 13, 2004, 04:58:07 am »

BTW whith regards to "generic" designs discussion earlier, I was referring to something like the coin face that Chris suggested in #88. I imagine a design like that could be accepted as a new stock design (allthough the $10 is of course not really a big deal).

Allthough that "cheering player + cab" design doesn't really "speak" to me like the modified PH Atomic logo does. I cant say what's "wrong" with it, but to me it doesn't have that "oh wow nice" ring to it.

I understand the sides need to be quite generic to satisfy the wishes of the many, but maybe a bit more humor (like a Pacman fossil

) can go on the flip side of the token? For instance:
- Player 1 symbol eaten by Pacman
- AmericanDemon'design (with the Pac Land logo)
- I tried a Ghost Busters logo with a Pac Ghost (but failed)
- I guess an animated coin face is out of the question?

- I like the look of Surgeville's token too (especially the logo side)
- Basically something else than a static icon

I also like Surgeville's idea of a date (or maybe just a year is better) on the tokens

Santoro · « **Reply #102 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:04:04 am »

I am worried about the relatively small number of people participating in the feedback process.

Can I assume this means everyone is generally happy with where we are going? Please speak up either way!

GadgetGeek · « **Reply #103 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:36:53 am »

I like the Atomic BYOAC and the player one logo on the flip side. My preference on a motto would be Game Not Over, but I seem to be in a minority there. Year would be cool, but then you have to pay for a new die if you want to do a re-run in another year. For the url, I think just ArcadeControls.com would be fine and is a little less cluttered than adding the www to it. And I woudl think less clutter will lead to a crisper image.
Also, anything designed by committee is going to cause controversy. At some point, you will need to say here is what I'm going to do. You won't be able to please everybody. And if somebody is sufficiently upset, they might do their own run and we have even more prettys for our arcades.
Just my 0.02

AmericanDemon · « **Reply #104 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:56:51 am »

byaoc modified atomic logo is awesome. I really like it. For the other side..... cannot really say that I like the Atari player one nor the 'standard' player one. I love the idea of a date or year for the print run. That'd be tight. I'll review the pics throughout the day today and give my vote for the opposite side. I think we need to set a deadline for the contest. Set it a week from Saturday or something and then put up a poll to obtain the majority's vote.

Santoro · « **Reply #105 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:57:39 am »

Quote from: GadgetGeek on May 13, 2004, 07:36:53 am

Also, anything designed by committee is going to cause controversy. At some point, you will need to say here is what I'm going to do.

I got the same feedback from one of the Mods. I just want to be sure that there will still be interest when I place the order. It seems like as soon as I laid out some guidelines, the 'excitement level' in the threads dropped significantly.

Might just be that there is nothing else to say, who knows.

Chris · « **Reply #106 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:33:03 am »

Quote from: GadgetGeek on May 13, 2004, 07:36:53 am

I like the Atomic BYOAC and the player one logo on the flip side. My preference on a motto would be Game Not Over

For some reason, "Game Not Over", to me, always sounded like something a small child would say when told it's time to go to bed. It sounds vaguely desperate. like we're trying to convince ourseves that the game is not over when the rest of the world has moved on. "Extended Play", on the other hand, signalled triumph (back in my day), and it delivers a very similar concept.

Quote

For the url, I think just ArcadeControls.com would be fine and is a little less cluttered than adding the www to it.

From a design standpoint, "www" offsets "com" perfectly, allowing "arcadecontrols" to be centered in the bottom of the coin, so I think although it would look less cluttered without it, it would look less satisfying.

Chris · « **Reply #107 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:37:48 am »

I was just looking back at my original front, and I just wanted to throw these side by side in case anyone is considering the two options...

Chris · « **Reply #108 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:45:31 am »

Quote from: patrickl on May 13, 2004, 04:29:26 am

Quote from: Chris on May 13, 2004, 01:34:26 am
Here it is with BYOAC solid. I like it MUCH better this way!
The electrons and their trails interfere with the lettering. Maybe if you put the electrons at half depth?

Has anyone confirmed that we get a "half-depth"?

Chris · « **Reply #109 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:50:27 am »

Here is the front and back of the latest versions side-by-side, so it's easier to imagine what this will be like as a finished token:

Santoro · « **Reply #110 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:52:48 am »

edited: Never mind, I re-read the question and it made sense. I am 99% sure we can request the Atom trails to be lower than the BYOAC.

Saint, I am beginning to think that this Token could make a nice Logo for the website too!

mmmPeanutButter · « **Reply #111 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:56:34 am »

This is what I was talking about...

Also removed "www", couldn't center it on paint, but should be.

What do you think?

(Still holding on to "Better living through gaming")

GadgetGeek · « **Reply #112 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:07:35 am »

Quote from: Chris on May 13, 2004, 08:33:03 am

Quote from: GadgetGeek on May 13, 2004, 07:36:53 am
I like the Atomic BYOAC and the player one logo on the flip side. My preference on a motto would be Game Not Over
For some reason, "Game Not Over", to me, always sounded like something a small child would say when told it's time to go to bed. It sounds vaguely desperate. like we're trying to convince ourseves that the game is not over when the rest of the world has moved on. "Extended Play", on the other hand, signalled triumph (back in my day), and it delivers a very similar concept.
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For the url, I think just ArcadeControls.com would be fine and is a little less cluttered than adding the www to it.
From a design standpoint, "www" offsets "com" perfectly, allowing "arcadecontrols" to be centered in the bottom of the coin, so I think although it would look less cluttered without it, it would look less satisfying.

I see your point on the www and you've swung me to the darkside there.
As for Game Not Over, to me that is another way of saying that the classics live on (through MAME, BYOAC, collectors, etc) and are not lost forever. Maybe it is more of a MAME motto.

Edited to add this idea
Instead of some sort of motto, what about a small pac man and a series of dots for him to eat (and maybe a ghost to balance things out) around the top and www.arcadecontrols.com around the bottom?

DaveMMR · « **Reply #113 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:18:19 am »

I'm throwing my vote for MMMPeanutButter's motto (Better Living Through Gaming). You have a BYOAC mention on both sides, and the slogan fits in perfectly. And I like both design sides too.

edited: I said logo instead of motto

Santoro · « **Reply #114 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:23:56 am »

I think we should keep the BYOAC references on one side in case we decide later to use the Happy Guy side for a different run of tokens, for example a MAME run of tokens.

KevSteele · « **Reply #115 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:24:22 am »

My current thoughts:

I like the "Atomic Pac Man" coin side by Chris, and the Atari Player 1 side.

The "BYOAC" logo is just going to have me answering "Bye-O-Ack, it means Build Your Own Arcade Controls" all day long. ArcadeControls.com is something people can figure out on their own...

I'm still partial to the "The Game is Never Over" slogan, obviously

ArcadeControls.com or www.arcadecontrols.com, either's fine by me.

I like the suggestion of one side of the token ringed by dots and Pac-man/Ghost icons.

Kevin

mmmPeanutButter · « **Reply #116 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:28:50 am »

Quote from: Santoro on May 13, 2004, 09:23:56 am

I think we should keep the BYOAC references on one side in case we decide later to use the Happy Guy side for a different run of tokens, for example a MAME run of tokens.

We could always remove the arcadecontrols.com from the back and change the byoac on the front to byoac.com and leave the rest as I have above.

DPsx7 · « **Reply #117 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:36:28 am »

I think the basic pics Chris posted above look pretty cool for a final design. Maybe we can tuck a small MAME logo on the cab? I don't know how many were opposed to having MAME on the token, but I think it'd be ok to have a small reference on there.

Anyhow, I think the text could use a little work. Not really a fan of the "extended play" line, and the "building memories" seems strange, although I guess that's related to the site and building controls. "better living through gaming" doesn't feel right either.

I agree "game not over" is a bit strong, maybe something like "the games will never die", keeping with the preservation theme and sounding better than the first line. I kinda like the "no cash value" line, and the ring of dots with a pac-man sounds good but I'd have to see it first.

menace · « **Reply #118 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:41:37 am »

so far I like post #111 the best--although the YMCA guy bugs me--if someone had never mentioned YMCA I never would have thought of it but now I can't get the damn song from my head

patrickl · « **Reply #119 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:42:28 am »

Would it be possible to play a bit with the depth of the coin design?

I made the electrons a bit more rounded and added several depth levels to clean up the bounding lines somewhat.


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