WIP Photos and Explanations of builds

[yotsuya]

I had a cheese steak for lunch today. It was badass.

[rablack97]

I had a cheese steak for lunch today. It was badass.

[harveybirdman]

Alright you two, pipe down or you're going to piss BadMouth off.

[yotsuya]

[johnrt]

So what will be the next subject of whining? Anyone up for a bet? :-)


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[wp34]

So what will be the next subject of whining? Anyone up for a bet? :-)


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My money is on people calling a discussion whining.   

[opt2not]

[yotsuya]

So what will be the next subject of whining? Anyone up for a bet? :-)


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My money is on people calling a discussion whining.   

That's kind of like how giving an honest opinion is considered being a hater, am i right?

[johnrt]

Well you old timers. Maybe it's time to consider whether you self are outdated? Questioning every new trend may be a sign you know...


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[yotsuya]

Anyhoo, I think it's a good topic for discussion. I know I get so busy during a build that I don't take the time to document it.  So therefore, I don't make a thread.  I only make a thread if I want community feedback,  since I'm not that thin skinned when it comes to listening to what others say. My friends here have helped me with design decisions that in the end I know were the right ones. I'm also not afraid to say, slow down, I've decided I'm going to stick with this idea. Honest, quality feedback goes both ways.

I suppose the only time it bothers me is when people post links to finished projects that are on other sites. I'm not interested in going to your Photobucket to look at all these photos of your project in a gallery. Post your process here.

[yotsuya]

Well you old timers. Maybe it's time to consider whether you self are outdated? Questioning every new trend may be a sign you know...


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Yeah, I suppose it's time to move over for the Dave & Busters set.

[vwalbridge]

Well you old timers. Maybe it's time to consider whether you self are outdated? Questioning every new trend may be a sign you know...


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Yeah, I suppose it's time to move over for the Dave & Busters set.

No!  Showbiz Pizza Posse 4 life yo.

[Aceldamor]

Well you old timers. Maybe it's time to consider whether you self are outdated? Questioning every new trend may be a sign you know...


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Yeah, I suppose it's time to move over for the Dave & Busters set.

ugh....card readers, phone app based redemption games, nostalgia based redemption games, redemption based redemption games, redemption games, and oh yeah, pac-man

[yotsuya]

Well you old timers. Maybe it's time to consider whether you self are outdated? Questioning every new trend may be a sign you know...


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Yeah, I suppose it's time to move over for the Dave & Busters set.

No!  Showbiz Pizza Posse 4 life yo.

Rebel Arcade, south Phoenix, 1983. With all the other OGs. Not a single LED in sight.

[Aceldamor]

Well you old timers. Maybe it's time to consider whether you self are outdated? Questioning every new trend may be a sign you know...


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Yeah, I suppose it's time to move over for the Dave & Busters set.

No!  Showbiz Pizza Posse 4 life yo.

Rebel Arcade, south Phoenix, 1983. With all the other OGs. Not a single LED in sight.

---smurfette--- please, Video Round up crew - fo sho.

[yotsuya]

Well you old timers. Maybe it's time to consider whether you self are outdated? Questioning every new trend may be a sign you know...


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Yeah, I suppose it's time to move over for the Dave & Busters set.

ugh....card readers, phone app based redemption games, nostalgia based redemption games, redemption based redemption games, redemption games, and oh yeah, pac-man

It's the wave of the future, man!

[yotsuya]

Well you old timers. Maybe it's time to consider whether you self are outdated? Questioning every new trend may be a sign you know...


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Yeah, I suppose it's time to move over for the Dave & Busters set.

No!  Showbiz Pizza Posse 4 life yo.

Rebel Arcade, south Phoenix, 1983. With all the other OGs. Not a single LED in sight.

---smurfette--- please, Video Round up crew - fo sho.

Oh, you're a rich guy...

The CircleK on 7th and Baseline was my other go to place.

[winnydapoo]

Rebel Arcade, south Phoenix, 1983. With all the other OGs. Not a single LED in sight.

Well now that the thread is well and truly derailed I might as well ask, what is it you have against LEDs?

[yotsuya]

Who said I have anything against LEDs? My comment was that in '83, we didn't see them.

[harveybirdman]

I'll take this one Yots, since I've already taken the rep hit for it.

Unauthentic:  No arcade game ever had LEDS
Expensive: Mofos ---smurfette--- about the price of custom artwork yet have no problem unloaded hundreds of dollars on light up buttons, wire, and LED controllers.
Tacky:  Are there classy well done LED panels? Sure there are but most of the time they don't integrate with the theme or add anything other than bling for the sake of bling
Distracting: Sure it's nice to know what the active buttons are but the light/heat pollution can be irritating to some during gameplay.  Not everyone would have a problem with it but in a dark arcade setting I'd be afraid of unwanted glare on bezel glass.

[Frank Drebin]

Well, I would think finished builds would go here in the stickied thread.

I completed my project! I posted a pic and a link to my project thread

It is a catch 22, I glanced at Frank Drebins build and he was nice enough to document, but yet wasn't receiving any feedback.

So its weird, the only threads that get love are "your doing that wrong" or "damn you just did something different"  the tweeners mostly get lectured because they copied another design or they arent doing anything new.

I mean another reason may also be posting the photos, which is a PITA, i switched to snagit reflect and screencast, which is so much faster.  I dont know if Saint will switch but some forums have a function where you just drag your photos into the dialogue and it uploads and shows up in your post.

I guess what im missing is that techniques, tools and engineering have changed over the years, so its cool to see how people do things differently.  If everyone just posts the shells with no documentation on the guts and or how they attained the goal, then the forum will no longer get educated.

So for any of the noobs, or anyone else for that matter, if you came here and read a crap load to get knowledge to build your machine, if possible, return that favor and document your build so others can read how you did what you did.

Just my thoughts.

I do the same on a lot of build threads too, I'll take a look, and if there aren't any questions I can't answer I'll just leave without leaving a comment.  Which kind of sucks because like you mentioned (thanks for noticing btw) you get the feeling that you are talking to yourself.

I do notice there is a hefty amount of sarcasm on this site that almost borders on cynicism for a lot of builds.  Take a comment from my thread: 

Should I bother updating anymore?  Seriously no replies?

Sorry, let me drop everything and pay attention to this build.

Looks neat.

Keep up the good work 

Chrome T-Molding would look really good on this.

Maybe I took that the wrong way but to me it comes off as rather dickish.  And lots of posters here have that tone.
Weecades, mame cabinets, 4 player control panels and multicade artwork are all kind of snickered at by a lot of the regulars which probably dissuades a lot of people who want to build and document, and who actually like and want that in a cabinet.

Maybe I'm wrong but I get the feeling that this site is becoming kind of elitist towards certain types of hobbyists (the mame cabinet crowd) and the only thing that is respected on here is restorations or nintendo cabs.

I get it, a lot of you have been around here for 10+ years so nothing really surprises you anymore, and there doesn't seem to be a new group of members to replace the old guard so it is what it is.

[winnydapoo]

Who said I have anything against LEDs? My comment was that in '83, we didn't see them.

Right sorry I stand corrected.

Good luck with your build! 

[harveybirdman]

I hear what you're saying Naked Gun but C'mon man.....

Should I bother updating anymore?  Seriously no replies?

Could that not be interpreted as fishing for ego boost and just as irritating?  I'm sure that's not what you meant, I know cause I have the same experience.  I hate seeing builds I don't care for that have tens of thousands of views and my build thread is crickets by comparison, but I'm not making my cab for them.  Just as you aren't making yours for me or any of the old timers.

BTW, Mal hasn't posted here in weeks,  Nep is gone, surely most of you don't take pbj serious.  So who exactly is this crew of negative naysayers? Me I assume,  but where else is the hate coming from?

Maybe we should just pm people when we have a problem instead of letting things fester.

[yotsuya]

Well, I would think finished builds would go here in the stickied thread.

I completed my project! I posted a pic and a link to my project thread

It is a catch 22, I glanced at Frank Drebins build and he was nice enough to document, but yet wasn't receiving any feedback.

So its weird, the only threads that get love are "your doing that wrong" or "damn you just did something different"  the tweeners mostly get lectured because they copied another design or they arent doing anything new.

I mean another reason may also be posting the photos, which is a PITA, i switched to snagit reflect and screencast, which is so much faster.  I dont know if Saint will switch but some forums have a function where you just drag your photos into the dialogue and it uploads and shows up in your post.

I guess what im missing is that techniques, tools and engineering have changed over the years, so its cool to see how people do things differently.  If everyone just posts the shells with no documentation on the guts and or how they attained the goal, then the forum will no longer get educated.

So for any of the noobs, or anyone else for that matter, if you came here and read a crap load to get knowledge to build your machine, if possible, return that favor and document your build so others can read how you did what you did.

Just my thoughts.

I do the same on a lot of build threads too, I'll take a look, and if there aren't any questions I can't answer I'll just leave without leaving a comment.  Which kind of sucks because like you mentioned (thanks for noticing btw) you get the feeling that you are talking to yourself.

I do notice there is a hefty amount of sarcasm on this site that almost borders on cynicism for a lot of builds.  Take a comment from my thread: 

Should I bother updating anymore?  Seriously no replies?

Sorry, let me drop everything and pay attention to this build.

Looks neat.

Keep up the good work 

Chrome T-Molding would look really good on this.

Maybe I took that the wrong way but to me it comes off as rather dickish.  And lots of posters here have that tone.
Weecades, mame cabinets, 4 player control panels and multicade artwork are all kind of snickered at by a lot of the regulars which probably dissuades a lot of people who want to build and document, and who actually like and want that in a cabinet.

Maybe I'm wrong but I get the feeling that this site is becoming kind of elitist towards certain types of hobbyists (the mame cabinet crowd) and the only thing that is respected on here is restorations or nintendo cabs.

I get it, a lot of you have been around here for 10+ years so nothing really surprises you anymore, and there doesn't seem to be a new group of members to replace the old guard so it is what it is.

You got that response because you asked if you should bother updating anymore, which in turn might be seen as dickish.

[yotsuya]

Who said I have anything against LEDs? My comment was that in '83, we didn't see them.

Right sorry I stand corrected.

Good luck with your build! 

I don't have any builds going on right now that need luck.

[winnydapoo]

I'll take this one Yots, since I've already taken the rep hit for it.

Unauthentic:  No arcade game ever had LEDS
Expensive: Mofos ---smurfette--- about the price of custom artwork yet have no problem unloaded hundreds of dollars on light up buttons, wire, and LED controllers.
Tacky:  Are there classy well done LED panels? Sure there are but most of the time they don't integrate with the theme or add anything other than bling for the sake of bling
Distracting: Sure it's nice to know what the active buttons are but the light/heat pollution can be irritating to some during gameplay.  Not everyone would have a problem with it but in a dark arcade setting I'd be afraid of unwanted glare on bezel glass.

I'll agree with you on cost and maybe heat, other than that I think all subjective reasons. Unauthentic is fair if you're trying to reproduce or restore an original cabinet, otherwise irrelevant. And i think "Unauthentic" is the main reason they get a bad wrap around here.

[opt2not]

Unauthentic:  No arcade game ever had LEDS

Well, some cabinets had incandescent bulbs, but they were few and far between, and they were never on the main play buttons.
For instance, Robotron had dimly-lit blue translucent start buttons. They were very faint and subtle when lit up, not distracting from the gameplay at all.

Now-a-days people go overboard with lit-up controls, or put too much emphasis in that aspect of their project that the rest of the cabinet gets a minimal effort.
Take for instance that NASA cabinet. Very cool black etching work on the CP, but as pretty as that is the lighting could be toned down a bit to be more subtle and less-in-your-face. But the rest of the cabinet pales in comparison to the CP. It's like, all the eggs were put in the CP's basket while the rest of the cabinet didn't get the same attention.  From the standard cabinet design, to the artwork, it's very uninspiring and doesn't "attract" you as much as the CP does.  IMO he should have just made pedestal out of that CP since it's definitely the best thing about that cab. 
But would I say that in his project thread?  Naw, he doesn't want to hear that kind of feedback...he' content with the circle-jerk rather than anything constructive so oh well.

[winnydapoo]

Who said I have anything against LEDs? My comment was that in '83, we didn't see them.

Right sorry I stand corrected.

Good luck with your build! 

I don't have any builds going on right now that need luck.

I'm sure you'll post them when you want criticism amirite? Along with some Denzel Washington of course.

[yotsuya]

Who said I have anything against LEDs? My comment was that in '83, we didn't see them.

Right sorry I stand corrected.

Good luck with your build! 

I don't have any builds going on right now that need luck.

I'm sure you'll post them when you want criticism amirite? Along with some Denzel Washington of course.

If I want feedback, I know where to find it. It will be honest feedback, and I value it. I don't need sunshine blown up ---my bottom---.

[Frank Drebin]

You got that response because you asked if you should bother updating anymore, which in turn might be seen as dickish.

I hear what you're saying Naked Gun but C'mon man.....

Should I bother updating anymore?  Seriously no replies?

Could that not be interpreted as fishing for ego boost and just as irritating?  I'm sure that's not what you meant, I know cause I have the same experience.  I hate seeing builds I don't care for that have tens of thousands of views and my build thread is crickets by comparison, but I'm not making my cab for them.  Just as you aren't making yours for me or any of the old timers.

BTW, Mal hasn't posted here in weeks,  Nep is gone, surely most of you don't take pbj serious.  So who exactly is this crew of negative naysayers? Me I assume,  but where else is the hate coming from?

Maybe we should just pm people when we have a problem instead of letting things fester.

Maybe it came across as looking for an ego boost.  Certainly wasn't meant as such.  And while you're right I'm not making my cab for you or the old timers, I am making the build thread for you guys, and for anyone else who ventures on this site.  So the question wasn't directed at anybody in particular, but I was seriously wondering if anyone cared if I continued or not....and I normally wouldn't comment or complain but thats kind of the question being asked in this thread.

And I like PBJ.

[yotsuya]

You got that response because you asked if you should bother updating anymore, which in turn might be seen as dickish.

I hear what you're saying Naked Gun but C'mon man.....

Should I bother updating anymore?  Seriously no replies?

Could that not be interpreted as fishing for ego boost and just as irritating?  I'm sure that's not what you meant, I know cause I have the same experience.  I hate seeing builds I don't care for that have tens of thousands of views and my build thread is crickets by comparison, but I'm not making my cab for them.  Just as you aren't making yours for me or any of the old timers.

BTW, Mal hasn't posted here in weeks,  Nep is gone, surely most of you don't take pbj serious.  So who exactly is this crew of negative naysayers? Me I assume,  but where else is the hate coming from?

Maybe we should just pm people when we have a problem instead of letting things fester.

Maybe it came across as looking for an ego boost.  Certainly wasn't meant as such.  And while you're right I'm not making my cab for you or the old timers, I am making the build thread for you guys, and for anyone else who ventures on this site.  So the question wasn't directed at anybody in particular, but I was seriously wondering if anyone cared if I continued or not....and I normally wouldn't comment or complain but thats kind of the question being asked in this thread.

I hear you, brother. Just post. People like seeing progress. No comments generally means you're doing something right.

[winnydapoo]

Unauthentic:  No arcade game ever had LEDS

Well, some cabinets had incandescent bulbs, but they were few and far between, and they were never on the main play buttons.
For instance, Robotron had dimly-lit blue translucent start buttons. They were very faint and subtle when lit up, not distracting from the gameplay at all.

Now-a-days people go overboard with lit-up controls, or put too much emphasis in that aspect of their project that the rest of the cabinet gets a minimal effort.
Take for instance that NASA cabinet. Very cool black etching work on the CP, but as pretty as that is the lighting could be toned down a bit to be more subtle and less-in-your-face. But the rest of the cabinet pales in comparison to the CP. It's like, all the eggs were put in the CP's basket while the rest of the cabinet didn't get the same attention.  From the standard cabinet design, to the artwork, it's very uninspiring and doesn't "attract" you as much as the CP does.  IMO he should have just made pedestal out of that CP since it's definitely the best thing about that cab. 
But would I say that in his project thread?  Naw, he doesn't want to hear that kind of feedback...he' content with the circle-jerk rather than anything constructive so oh well.

It's fine to have that opinion dude. I don't think there'd be much point to offering it at the end of the build though because it's not like he can go back and make it a pedestal now. Also a person not liking your opinion doesn't mean they only want good opinions. The fact that you're critiquing it like piece of art is recognition in itself.

[harveybirdman]

I love me some pbj too.

 

[harveybirdman]

And they ARE pieces of art!

And some REALLY great artists are also ---Deutsche Frankfurters---.

And some art critics are ---Deutsche Frankfurters---!

I think the point that everybody who isn't a giant dick is trying to make is that we care about the gallery as much as its contents.

[Frank Drebin]

I hear you, brother. Just post. People like seeing progress. No comments generally means you're doing something right.

Cheers Yots.  I will.

[yotsuya]

I hear you, brother. Just post. People like seeing progress. No comments generally means you're doing something right.

Cheers Yots.  I will.

To piggyback, I've kind of got away from offering feedback for reasons mentioned in this thread. If I really like something I'll say so, but just because I don't post anything doesn't mean I'm not following along. I've gotten a kick out of The Mongrel, and I'd still like to see the nickname worked into the Marquee somehow.

[Frank Drebin]

To piggyback, I've kind of got away from offering feedback for reasons mentioned in this thread. If I really like something I'll say so, but just because I don't post anything doesn't mean I'm not following along. I've gotten a kick out of The Mongrel, and I'd still like to see the nickname worked into the Marquee somehow.

It is encouraging for rookie members to have the old dogs post in our builds, I appreciate that you have in mine.  Even if its not "contributing" to the build, it shows interest.

[tomstewdevine]

So what will be the next subject of whining? Anyone up for a bet? :-)


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My money is on people calling a discussion whining.   

 

[wp34]

So what will be the next subject of whining? Anyone up for a bet? :-)


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My money is on people calling a discussion whining.   

That's kind of like how giving an honest opinion is considered being a hater, am i right?

You are correct  I should have had a thicker skin and not let the word "whining" get to me.  I threw my opinion out there and John responded with his opinion.  No harm no foul.  My response really didn't add to the discussion either.

[harveybirdman]

Bro I'm pretty sure he was giving you a virtual high five.