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Game Launcher small but slick mod
« on: December 08, 2003, 01:24:39 pm »
Has anyone made a tiny change to the screensaver of Game Launcher so when it activates, it just runs Mame with a specific ROM?  This would have the effect of making the screensaver run a game in attract mode, which would be really nice.  I'd be happy with it running exactly one specific rom as a screensaver.

Are there any other DOS frontends that have an attract mode screen saver of some sort?

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2003, 01:39:57 pm »
I 'believe' Howard made some sort of wrapper for this specific reason like at least a year ago.  I can't remember exactly.

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2003, 10:38:13 am »
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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2003, 10:45:31 am »
I'll have to check it out, I thought Mamewah was for Windows.

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2003, 02:14:19 pm »
fe3darcade can be set to open a random game as a screensaver
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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2003, 02:32:27 pm »
I'm specifically looking for a DOS frontend to do this, I think some of the frontends mentioned are for windows only.

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2003, 08:04:44 pm »
To clarify:  I did make a wrapper for this function, Dragon King, mamewah and 3darcade can do it as well because they use the wrapper I designed.  :)  This is all windows stuff.  

If you want a real front end and a real screensaver then you have to run windows, nuff said.  

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2003, 10:39:51 am »
No thanks, I'm not going to switch to a tempermental OS just so I can run a different front end or use a Windows screensaver.  I really like being able to just switch my cabinet on and off without worrying about "shutting down" and I like how quickly my machine boots up, I wouldn't give either of those up unless I had to.

Guess if I want that functionality I'll just have to crack it open and make the mods myself.  I doubt I'll go through the trouble though.

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2003, 02:58:19 pm »
Xp is probably one of the stablest os'es privately available, it's not tempermental.  Also who said you can't turn on/of windows with just a switch?  I do it all the time, as long as it's 2000 or xp you don't have any problems.  Even if it's 98 you usually don't have any problems.  Also I'm not sure what kind of boot time you get, but with a stripped down version of windows I get something like 10 seconds.  No it's not as fast as dos, but your willing to sacrifice all of the added choices/tools/applications only available on windows for a boot time that shaves off another 6 seconds?


If you want functionaly then you need a real os.  Screensavers aren't even an option in dos unless you want to hardcode it into gamelauncher, and making one that did what you said in dos would most likely require multi-threading, something you can't do in dos. Yes there are tsrs, but they generally cause havoc with a complicated app liek gl.   Dos is dead, deal with it.  

The only reason you should run dos at this point is if your machine has less than a 350 mhz processor.  Otherwise your just hurting yourself as there are no benefits of running dos on a modern pc and many benefits of running linux/windows.  

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2003, 04:15:08 pm »
With all due respect Howard, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, an my opinion of Windows causes me to stray from it unless necessary.  An arcade cabinet is one of the applications where there is no reason to use Windows, and many reasons not to use it.

I want my cabinet to be reliable, but easy to repair when it does break.

I consider Windows tempermental because it has died on me so many times I've lost count.  All it takes is a bad or corrupt file or two and it's time to reinstall.  I'm a little tired of it.  I'd bet I've installed it several *hundred* times over the past 10 or 15 years or so (I used to be a PC tech), and the install times are just getting longer and longer.

On the flip side, my Mame died recently from a bad hard drive.  Since I use DOS, all I had to do was install a new hard drive, copy over the good files, and it was up and running again with minimal effort and time invested.  If I were using Windows, I'd have to go through the install, setting up all my hardware, downloading all the patches, all the tweaking the is required to make it work as a FE reasonably well, etc...  In fact, I could replace my entire PC and not have to reinstall a single piece of software!

The only good reason I can think of to use Windows is to be able to run Daphne.  I haven't even downloaded the files to run it it, if I ever do and feel I "have" to have Daphne, then I might finally have a good reason to switch.

I'm not "sacrificing" any tools/apps etc. by using DOS because this cabinet is only meant to play arcade games.  I really don't care what other apps could run on it if I had Windows, I'm not using this thing in a dorm room to write papers or do homework or whatnot.  Obviously a lot of people are, but I'm not one of them.

Hopefully that's all I have to say about Windows vs. DOS ;), I really didn't want this thread to be about that topic.  There are people with different opinions on the matter, the bottom line is DOS is great for me and I *love* it for my arcade cabinets and keeping them simple and reliable, but Windows is better for a lot of other people with different needs.

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2003, 04:24:44 pm »
"If you want functionaly then you need a real os.  Screensavers aren't even an option in dos unless you want to hardcode it into gamelauncher, and making one that did what you said in dos would most likely require multi-threading, something you can't do in dos. Yes there are tsrs, but they generally cause havoc with a complicated app liek gl.  Dos is dead, deal with it."

Your opinions aside, the above is plainly false.

GL has a screensaver already.  All that is needed is a couple of lines of code to make a system call to a batch file, such as "Screen.bat" which could do anything the user wanted.  In my case, I'd be happy just launching mame and my favorite rom with an attract mode... and then simply relaunching GL, or returning from the system call.

This is quite a simple change to the code.  I was hoping (praying?) someone had already taken the initiative to improve on this front end by adding such a thing.  Apparently, no one on this board has.

I'd rather make a small change to the code, or not make any change at all, than switch to a completely different OS - particularly one I don't like for this application.

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2003, 05:33:59 pm »
Okay, there are a lot of different statements here with varying degrees of truth in them.  In honor of the Pats kickin' [domesticated donkey], I'll use a scale of 1-10 with 1 being an outright falsity and 10 being boy-scout-truth to rate them:

Xp is probably one of the stablest os'es privately available

 

  Technically true, but with minor caveats. I'll give it 7 Pats.  While WindowsXP is "one of the stablest" OSes out there, DOS is even more so. If you change the word "stablest" to "most compatible with new-ish hardware", then I'll throw in the last three Pats.

it's not tempermental.




  2 Pats.  It's temperamental, so this isn't an accurate statement.  However, it's less temperamental than any previous versions of Windows (except maybe NT 3.51), so I'll give some creds.

  Since we're comparing DOS to Windows XP here we're talking in relative terms.  Windows 1/2/3/WFW3/NT/95/98/98SE/ME/2000/XP are all more temperamental than DOS 6.22. In DOS, the only thing you had to kludge was the silly 640K of conventional memory and a quick optimize using QEMM fixed that straight away.

  In fact, the 640K conventional memory ceiling wasn't even an issue until Windows 3.1 needed it.

  Also who said you can't turn on/of windows with just a switch?  I do it all the time, as long as it's 2000 or xp you don't have any problems.



  9 Pats.

  Very true, but you're missing one detail and one exception: As long as you're using Windows 2000 or XP with NTFS you will be in the minute minority if you ran into problems.  NTFS, unlike FAT/FAT32 is called a journaling file system, which essentially means it keeps a log of what it's going to write before it writes it, then when it's done it erases the log.  There's still a chance of messing something up, but it's greatly reduced.

  If you were to, say, shut off the power to your computer from your cheap $3 power strip that Bob-down-the-street had under his desk for 20 years when he used it with his XT and it somehow sent a power spike through your system while your hard drive heads were moving and not parked (<-- Yes, that's a technical term) you might cause some physical damage to your hard drive.  I suppose, technically speaking, any power spike might have some potential for effecting the operational stability of your PC, but you're even more at risk for your hard drive in particular.

  Even if it's 98 you usually don't have any problems.

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  0 Pats. Shutting off your PC with hard drive caching on and without a journaling file system is plain bad.  DOS (with SmartDrive) gets away with it because there's a whole lot less OS to be cached, but you still run the risk of damaging any files that are in use.

Also I'm not sure what kind of boot time you get, but with a stripped down version of windows I get something like 10 seconds.  No it's not as fast as dos, but your willing to sacrifice all of the added choices/tools/applications only available on windows for a boot time that shaves off another 6 seconds?



  9 Pats.

  I'll have to agree with you here. You can get Windows to boot up pretty fast if you really want to. Besides, I'd rather have a graphical boot screen than a cryptic text one any day for any 'kiosk'-style machine.

  Application availability is definitely a plus for Windows, but in context, it really only counts for MAME and MAME-related applications.  Sometimes, however, the benefits of some of the applications that run on Windows still don't make it worth it.

If you want functionaly then you need a real os.

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  0 Pats. Blatantly untrue. See below.

Screensavers aren't even an option in dos unless you want to hardcode it into gamelauncher

  My interpretation of Wade's question is obviously different than yours: I thought that's what he was asking?

and making one that did what you said in dos would most likely require multi-threading, something you can't do in dos.

 

  1 Pat.  True, you can't multithread in DOS.  Good job!

  However, you wouldn't require multi-threading if the program itself (Game Launcher, in this case) were doing the screen-saving.

Yes there are tsrs, but they generally cause havoc with a complicated app liek gl.

  I wonder how some of them old school demos managed some pretty neat graphics without 'a complicated app liek gl'?

   Dos is dead, deal with it. 

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  0 Pats.  DOS is not dead.  Deal with it.

The only reason you should run dos at this point is if your machine has less than a 350 mhz processor.  Otherwise your just hurting yourself as there are no benefits of running dos on a modern pc and many benefits of running linux/windows. 

  Depending on what your objectives are, sure there are plenty of reasons to run DOS instead of Windows:

  - Less OS overhead - this means more PC for your buck.
  - Out of the other OS options that run MAME, it's the easiest to troubleshoot when something goes wrong.
  - Less expensive than any Microsoft Windows flavor.
  - It has a higher hack factor when doing simple things like, say, when running two trackballs as two player one and player two?
  - Faster boot-up time, if that's a major concern.
  - As I pointed out earlier, it's reletively safer to have a DOS system in a kiosk environment than it is for any other FAT/FAT32 (and since you brought up Linux, EXT2)

  Not including any subjective comments, you averaged 3.625 s! Way to go!

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2003, 11:35:09 pm »
Has anyone made a tiny change to the screensaver of Game Launcher so when it activates, it just runs Mame with a specific ROM?  This would have the effect of making the screensaver run a game in attract mode, which would be really nice.  I'd be happy with it running exactly one specific rom as a screensaver.

Are there any other DOS frontends that have an attract mode screen saver of some sort?

Wade

GameLauncher is open source, so it shouldn't be too hard to make this mod. Once I have all the parts I need, (it's going to be a couple of weeks), I'll be happy to help you out with whatever mod you want. Until then, why not contact the author?

BTW, I completely agree with you regarding DOS vs. Losedows for cab operating system.

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2003, 11:59:32 pm »
screaming, nobody asked you so don't analyzie my response

btw dos IS dead

anything that m$ says is dead is dead, nuff said.  



I'm trying to get you poor pathetic people who desperately grasp onto outdated hardware and software like a little boy clutching his blankie to wake up and upgrade to something useful.  Nitpicking won't change the facts.... dos is outdated, dos can't handle a new system, dos apps are outdated and most people aren't willing to alter old dos apps anymore.  


So in conclusion if you want to use dos then that's great, but don't complain about lack of features when your using a 15 year old operating system with a 5 year old front end.  

So I'll stand by what I originally said... the best solution if you aren't satisfied with gamelauncher's features is to upgrade to windows and use one of the newer front ends.  Those which are still regularly updated and people are actually willing to work on.  

Nobody has to take my advice, but I do know what I am talking about... my track record stands on it's own... Sometimes people don't listen and it takes them 6-8 months to actually realize it, but when it comes to stuff like this I'm almost always steering people in the right direction.  

I'm done.

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2003, 04:41:05 pm »
screaming,

   You are right, I really don't want to hear about switching to Windows (obviously there is a good use for DOS in this application or no one would be using it, but many of us are happily using it).  I was really just asking if anybody has or will make the changes to GL.  Not sure why Howard felt compelled to spout his opinion of DOS vs. Windows in this thread about modding Game Launcher, but doesn't think you should criticise his response.  Maybe he thinks criticising others will get some people to switch from DOS to Windows+his Frontend. ;)

Buddabing,

   Let me know if you get started on this and I'll do the same.  Over the holidays I might have some slow time at work where I could really look into it.

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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2003, 01:42:01 am »
screaming, nobody asked you so don't analyzie my response

btw dos IS dead

anything that m$ says is dead is dead, nuff said.  



I'm trying to get you poor pathetic people who desperately grasp onto outdated hardware and software like a little boy clutching his blankie to wake up and upgrade to something useful.  Nitpicking won't change the facts.... dos is outdated, dos can't handle a new system, dos apps are outdated and most people aren't willing to alter old dos apps anymore.  


So in conclusion if you want to use dos then that's great, but don't complain about lack of features when your using a 15 year old operating system with a 5 year old front end.  

So I'll stand by what I originally said... the best solution if you aren't satisfied with gamelauncher's features is to upgrade to windows and use one of the newer front ends.  Those which are still regularly updated and people are actually willing to work on.  

Nobody has to take my advice, but I do know what I am talking about... my track record stands on it's own... Sometimes people don't listen and it takes them 6-8 months to actually realize it, but when it comes to stuff like this I'm almost always steering people in the right direction.  

I'm done.

Man, I guess I am just dreaming up all these DOS systems and servers here at work. They must not be here, the new ones must not be here either. I have got to be hallucinating our DOS MSI server and the (near new) Dell running DOS that runs the card key system for the building. The DOS information kiosk and the other 3 dos terminals must just be dead too.

Howard, DOS is very much alive. The systems are out there in incredible numbers. The software for it is still being written, and still being supported. We had a major software update 6 months ago, to our DOS system.  Microsoft might say it is dead, but Microsoft is not the only software company in the world.
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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2003, 01:15:00 pm »
...I'm trying to get you poor pathetic people who desperately grasp onto outdated hardware and software like a little boy clutching his blankie to wake up and upgrade to something useful....

Howard,

How can you stand the irony of what you said, when you're using your MAME setup to desperately grasp onto outdated arcade hardware and software rather than 'upgrade' to new games?

Saying that people should only use modern hardware/software for emulation is just silly.  MAME is one of the few good uses for outdated platforms.  There's no good reason to shell out money on new equipment and configure a bloated OS (That's going to eat disk space and processor cycles with features you'll never use) when you have old equipment and a DOS disk just lying around that can perform the exact same function for free.

Everyone here is just making the best of what they have.  If you're lucky enough to have only new equipment, good for you - but don't put other people down for doing things their own way.  No one tells you you should upgrade to Half-Life 2 instead of holding onto Galaga "like a little boy clutching his blankie".

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Re:Game Launcher small but slick mod
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2003, 10:48:12 am »
You're just Evil.

But you're right! :)

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