Why do people keep saying the Wii U is struggling when it's currently winning?

[Slippyblade]

...which leads them to behaviour problems down the road.  That is why I am against kids playing call of duty.  The age rating on the box should be respected.  We all know what happens if you sell an adult game or video to a child. 

I'll debate a lot of this to the ends of the Earth.  Behavior problems are NOT caused by violent games.  What little evidence that HAS been connected to this concept is anecdotal at best and contrived at worst.  I know this is completely tangential to the thread, but it's an exposed nerve to me.  Don't get me wrong, I agree that not enough parenting occurs in relation to the games played, but I also think that a lot of the parenting that DOES occur is horribly misguided.  The best example of this...  I was once selling a batch of games to a mom for her kids B-Day and she had a bunch of 'M' games in her hand.  Grand Theft, CoD, Manhunt (fer cryin' out loud...  Manhunt???).  I tried to explain to her that maybe the violent content was not appropriate for her 10 year old. Her response?  "Oh, I don't mind the violence.  As long as there's no nudity!"  Seriously??  You have no problems with Little Johnny choking someone to death with a plastic bag or sticking a grenade to someone's head - but a boob is gonna be a show stopper?

WTF?

We all know what happens if you sell an adult game or video to a child

Yeah - $5000 fine per incident that is reported to the ESRB with any documentation and the cashier's job if it's at a Gamestop.  I've had to fire cashiers for that before.

[s_busby_uk]

No that's not what I meant. I was trying to point out that so many of the games from both the xbox and Playstation camps that "matter" end up on steam at some point, if not at first, and eventually for so little outlay compared to their console counterparts that, really, who cares that I had to wait a couple of years?

The PC excels at providing an open arena for indies to get the wackiest of ideas up there as soon as possible if they want, unhindered by corporate red tape and bureaucracy, and then worry about proper distribution if they see the demand. Could anyone really argue that a game like Papers Please would ever have come out in a console first (if at all)? Triple A titles rarely stretch far outside of the box because they propose too great a risk for the people holding the purse strings.


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[s_busby_uk]

Sorry, accidentally posted twice (silly iPhone)

[s_busby_uk]

Just to clarify, I think PC gaming is massively relevant, but Steam is the closest thing it has to a marketing department in gaming, so I really think it's quite a different beast.

[hypernova]

...which leads them to behaviour problems down the road.  That is why I am against kids playing call of duty.  The age rating on the box should be respected.  We all know what happens if you sell an adult game or video to a child. 

I'll debate a lot of this to the ends of the Earth.  Behavior problems are NOT caused by violent games.  What little evidence that HAS been connected to this concept is anecdotal at best and contrived at worst.  I know this is completely tangential to the thread, but it's an exposed nerve to me.  Don't get me wrong, I agree that not enough parenting occurs in relation to the games played, but I also think that a lot of the parenting that DOES occur is horribly misguided.  The best example of this...  I was once selling a batch of games to a mom for her kids B-Day and she had a bunch of 'M' games in her hand.  Grand Theft, CoD, Manhunt (fer cryin' out loud...  Manhunt???).  I tried to explain to her that maybe the violent content was not appropriate for her 10 year old. Her response?  "Oh, I don't mind the violence.  As long as there's no nudity!"  Seriously??  You have no problems with Little Johnny choking someone to death with a plastic bag or sticking a grenade to someone's head - but a boob is gonna be a show stopper?

WTF?

Like many studies, they'll probably NEVER be able to determine causation.  However, there is no denying there is often a correlation between violent games and kids' behaviors.

And you say that games don't cause behavioral problems, yet in the very same post you express disgust and disbelief at the mother who buys a violent game for her 10 year old child.  I know your argument will be that an inattentive mother /= causation.  And I agree.  However, with all these messed up kids, and all these messed up games, it seems mathematically impossible that one of these games has never caused any behavioral problems.  Though I will concede it's far more likely that games have exacerbated many issues such as racism and sexism among others, and in some instances may have catalyzed some into action to do things they otherwise would not.

I'll end this by agreeing.  It's all about the parenting.  Parents of at-risk kids and teens should not be encouraging this kind of behavior.  If their kid is being relentlessly tormented, and he has a new profound fascination with guns and death and such, perhaps a war simulator isn't the best thing to be getting him.

Found a blog or something by some guy who let his 7 year old (or around that age) play GTA (maybe V?).  However, his son didn't do any bad things.  Instead, he went around helping and doing nice things (I didn't know such things were even in GTA.)  It was an interesting read.

[retrocade]

 Hi,I'm new to the forum.I don't intend to argue with anyone just add my two cents.Having three kids 18,14,and 6 years old has had me buying consoles since the mid 90's.I all i can say from experience is that my kid always have more fun with nintendo products.My 18 year old that's a female had me buy her wwe 2k14 for ps3.Played for an afternoon and got tired of it.Waist of money on my part.But yet she still takes time out of her busy texting schedule (lol) to sit down with us to play mario party on the Wii U.Its been about a month and she still hasn't picked up the ps3.But at least twice a week on the Wii U.The Lego games are easier for my 6 year old to play and he has the batman lego for ps3,3ds,and Wii u.Guess which console he preferes.Kids may not have money but Parents like me do.I mean who in there right mind would want there child learning fowl language online.No call of duty and the likes as I try to raise my kids without any additional bad influences.FPS for me is just that.With out them ps and ms would be dead.At least sega had sonic.

[retrocade]

To add I had my 13 year old nephew stay with us over the summer who never played Wii or Wii u.Came with his own ps3 and games packed in suitcase.He then found out that he actually liked the Wii U contrary to what his friends have said.When he gets back home a month later my sister calls me up and said "thank you".I said "for what".He no longer wanted fps games or the ps3 for that matter.He wanted the Wii U.So I got him one.Guees what he wanted for christmas?Not ps4 or xb1,but super mario 3d over everything else.I figure those who prefer the Wii are more family oriented as anyone from a 6 year old to my dad at 65 years old can play and have hours of fun.To me that is PRICELESS.Simplicity in its best form.I personally like ps3,but thats only because of the driving games nothing more.Injustice plays just as well on the Wii u.I have fun with my son on it.

[ark_ader]

I really think talking about "exclusives" on a PC is a pretty redundant idea. The PC at this stage is such a separate entity from consoles regardless of what Valve are attempting - more than anything, it's also a device that isn't bought solely for games. And I'm lumping Linux, Windows and OSX into this. I mean, who cares? Exclusives divide more of a line between Xbox and Playstation at this point - anyone who uses Steam will barely be complaining when the majority of these AAA titles you harp on about end up being sold for as little a £3 during sale time. Meanwhile, Nintendo games seem to stay at a high price point indefinitely, in the UK at least.

PC gaming is irrelevant because it's the most affordable?

No PC games in the UK is used by the elite hardcore gamer.  Having managed several game servers in the UK, I would say the majority of gamers are console restricted.  The cost of hardware, infrastructure and knowledge is more expensive in the UK.  One of the reasons why I got a Xbox 360.  My upgrade process was non-ending, where the console allowed gaming without the expense.  Coupled with the high cost of living in the UK, creates a separate demographic, which is not as comparable to console users.  You can pick up a used 360 for £50 and you are all set.  Try picking up a used PC for £50 and see where that takes you.

The Wii, for its size, usability and content, cannot be compared to the PC no matter how you try.

[Slippyblade]

And you say that games don't cause behavioral problems, yet in the very same post you express disgust and disbelief at the mother who buys a violent game for her 10 year old child.  I know your argument will be that an inattentive mother /= causation.  And I agree.  However, with all these messed up kids, and all these messed up games, it seems mathematically impossible that one of these games has never caused any behavioral problems.  Though I will concede it's far more likely that games have exacerbated many issues such as racism and sexism among others, and in some instances may have catalyzed some into action to do things they otherwise would not.

You are drawing an in correct connection in my comment.  That part was directed at ---smurfy--- parents being the problem.  The example was pointing out that this mother was offended by something that is natural and expected, sexuality, and not phased at all with graphic violence.  THAT is where the problem exists, not with the games.

You further go on to point out that there MIGHT be SOME connections.  And that in CERTAIN folks with a PREDISPOSITION, the situation MIGHT be EXACERBATED.  Seems like an awful lot of outlying possibilities, not enough to make any kind of blanket statements on.  Basing any kind of law on something like that would be like saying that since some 32 year old males that work in food service that happen to have fathers that were members of a masonic temple might, if the phase of the moon is correct, beat there girlfriends to death with a hammer (FOX would call this a new "Trend sweeping the nation"...), that we must pass a law limiting access to hammers without a doctor's note.

[knave]

dcninja:  There hasn't been a good pc game released that is exclusive to the pc in over 10 years. 

This is the comment I was responding to. My point is that their are several "good" PC games that are not on any of the consoles..

knave I didn't apply the logic to other genres because they aren't broken.  When you are young you like immature stuff, and when you get older you put that aside and keep the good stuff.  I didn't discount the whole genre as being for teenagers, you are putting words into my mouth.  I discounted all the realistic war fps as being for teenagers, because quite frankly each sequel is exactly the same as the last, and they just weren't very good to begin with.  The genre is degraded actually.  Back in the Doom/Quake days you actually had more varied environments and weapons... you could carry more stuff at a time ect....  The few fps that are good actually vary from the formula so much I'm not sure if they are even fps.  I mean stuff like Portal, and Metroid Prime and although I don't like it, Bioshock. 

Howard. I ma not a teenager and I like FPS games. I buy and play the ones that give me the experience I want. Doom was ok, Unreal was better, Half-Life was where they became amazing. then counterstrike, Halflife 2 etc...

Team fortress-original and Half-life deathmatch were lan party favorites whin I was in college. It is alot of fun to frag your friends and talk smack.

I don't buy them all. but do try out diferent sub-genres. Doom 3 for example was fun but it turns hout I'm not really into being scared that often while I play a game. The multiplayer was simplified but entertaining.

Counterstrike source was very fun but you could find servers with asshat players that killed the fun...solution. Don't play on those servers.

Battlefield 2 introduced to me the joy of 64 player multiplayer matches and unlockable weapons. I loved every minute of it. Of any game I've ever played I have more hours in this game. I still boot it up every now and again and it is still fun.

(There's something wrong with your theory, I'm not in High School/Collage any more but a thirty-something family man.)

Since then my game time has dwindled, Kids, work, social obligations take hold and I don't have hours and hours to play. But I do check out and buy
Battlefield 2:Bad company which I liked even though they tweaked some things and reduced the multiplayer to 32 players.
Far Cry 2...was entertaining as an example of open world gameplay
Crisis...Really I picked this up really cheap on sale and enjoyed it.
Then their was the awesome Borderlands 2 which added humor, a fun single player story and awesome 4 player co-op.

I am now even further from being in high school or college just like my friends whom I play with...Whats not to like about these games?

I bought a bundle with Battlefield three in it for pennies so I will check that out someday and no doubt will like it too...

Bottom line. The fun of FPS games is the experience...the action, and shooting...

[hypernova]

And you say that games don't cause behavioral problems, yet in the very same post you express disgust and disbelief at the mother who buys a violent game for her 10 year old child.  I know your argument will be that an inattentive mother /= causation.  And I agree.  However, with all these messed up kids, and all these messed up games, it seems mathematically impossible that one of these games has never caused any behavioral problems.  Though I will concede it's far more likely that games have exacerbated many issues such as racism and sexism among others, and in some instances may have catalyzed some into action to do things they otherwise would not.

You are drawing an in correct connection in my comment.  That part was directed at ---smurfy--- parents being the problem.  The example was pointing out that this mother was offended by something that is natural and expected, sexuality, and not phased at all with graphic violence.  THAT is where the problem exists, not with the games.

You further go on to point out that there MIGHT be SOME connections.  And that in CERTAIN folks with a PREDISPOSITION, the situation MIGHT be EXACERBATED.  Seems like an awful lot of outlying possibilities, not enough to make any kind of blanket statements on.  Basing any kind of law on something like that would be like saying that since some 32 year old males that work in food service that happen to have fathers that were members of a masonic temple might, if the phase of the moon is correct, beat there girlfriends to death with a hammer (FOX would call this a new "Trend sweeping the nation"...), that we must pass a law limiting access to hammers without a doctor's note.

Yes, but at some point, you have to start giving credence to a mountain of circumstantial evidence.  If games didn't have a potential effect on the younger generation, we wouldn't put ratings on them.  I'll post an additional bit later...gotta go!

[Slippyblade]

Yes, but at some point, you have to start giving credence to a mountain of circumstantial evidence.  If games didn't have a potential effect on the younger generation, we wouldn't put ratings on them.  I'll post an additional bit later...gotta go!

Nonsense.  We put ratings on things because it is human nature to do so.  Video games are nothing more than this generation's bogey man.  In the past it's been comic books, rock music, movies...  You name it, at some point it's been blamed as the "source of corruption of today's youth".  Hell, even Plato says that Socrates complained about the decline of modern youth.

[DaveMMR]

Ahhhh.... the age-old debate of the effects of video game violence.  No one in this world could possibly just have a screw loose, it's always cause-and-effect. 

Anyway, here's an episode of P&T's BS dealing with the topic (NSFW language but no nudity in the episode.)

[hypernova]

When we turn a blind eye at an issue like this, I'm reminded of the gun industry and their absolutism regarding their beliefs.  Heck, any dissension is met with swift action.  Just ask Dick Metcalf.

If I were to contemplate a situation where everything else was equal, and a young person was allowed to frequently play games such as Mario and Zelda for 10 years, then compared that to a young person that was allowed to frequently play games such as GTA and Hitman, I believe you'd have two very different people at the end of that time.

I harbor no deluded belief that I'm going to convince anyone otherwise.  Even I'm not convinced one way or the other.  But some things are worth a deeper look.  The conflicting studies that are available certainly suggest that.  Just because we can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there.

[Slippyblade]

Just because we can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there.

And the corollary to that; just because we think something is there doesn't mean there is. Which is why I believe in evidence and proof over anecdotes.

If we poll a prison we will find that every person there has eaten food.  Some would draw the connection that eating food leads to criminal behavior.  Obviously this is a flawed hypothesis.  I realize that this is an absurd example, but in this day and age when nearly every kid in the country has been exposed to violent games and movies we are faced with an interesting trend.  According to FBI violent crime stats, crime rates have been going DOWN for almost two decades.  How can this be the case when penetration of violent games is becoming the norm rather than the exception?

I'd be more inclined to accept that access to violent games actually have an opposite effect.  As an anecdote, I know that me and many of my friends go and play games when we get pissed as a release.  We take out our aggressions on the game rather than, for example, getting into a bar-fight.  Once again, no proof, something that maybe warrants more study.

[ark_ader]

Just because we can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there.

And the corollary to that; just because we think something is there doesn't mean there is. Which is why I believe in evidence and proof over anecdotes.

If we poll a prison we will find that every person there has eaten food.  Some would draw the connection that eating food leads to criminal behavior.  Obviously this is a flawed hypothesis.  I realize that this is an absurd example, but in this day and age when nearly every kid in the country has been exposed to violent games and movies we are faced with an interesting trend.  According to FBI violent crime stats, crime rates have been going DOWN for almost two decades.  How can this be the case when penetration of violent games is becoming the norm rather than the exception?

I'd be more inclined to accept that access to violent games actually have an opposite effect.  As an anecdote, I know that me and many of my friends go and play games when we get pissed as a release.  We take out our aggressions on the game rather than, for example, getting into a bar-fight.  Once again, no proof, something that maybe warrants more study.

I would be more inclined to say that prison food leads to bad behaviour.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/oct/17/prisonsandprobation.ukcrime

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201105/diet-and-violence

http://www.westonaprice.org/environmental-toxins/violent-behavior-a-solution-in-plain-sight

Oh crap! there I go again, referencing my opinions.   

[danny_galaga]

Just because we can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there.

And the corollary to that; just because we think something is there doesn't mean there is. Which is why I believe in evidence and proof over anecdotes.

If we poll a prison we will find that every person there has eaten food.  Some would draw the connection that eating food leads to criminal behavior.  Obviously this is a flawed hypothesis.  I realize that this is an absurd example, but in this day and age when nearly every kid in the country has been exposed to violent games and movies we are faced with an interesting trend.  According to FBI violent crime stats, crime rates have been going DOWN for almost two decades.  How can this be the case when penetration of violent games is becoming the norm rather than the exception?

I'd be more inclined to accept that access to violent games actually have an opposite effect.  As an anecdote, I know that me and many of my friends go and play games when we get pissed as a release.  We take out our aggressions on the game rather than, for example, getting into a bar-fight.  Once again, no proof, something that maybe warrants more study.

I have heard of a study that shows that this is possible. Like you, if I'm feeling angry, there's nothing better than blowing away strangers online. Beats doing something regrettable in the real world 

[knave]

I did a study on this while I was in the Child development field.

While the violent TV and video games can influence attitude to a degree, the study could not provide any statistically significant data that they increased the probability of violent actions.

So, my bottom line...I don't let my kids watch/plat anything that I deem isn't age appropriate.

I used my own internal ratio of what kind of violence is age appropriate for my kids. I mean...cartoons and Mario games have violence...so I drew my own line...?

[northerngames]

good or bad nintendo is not going anywhere anytime soon period.

many console's and company's follwed and failed and there the original next to atari and still around today and survived through all competition since.

sony is sony and xbox is xbox but either has nothing on nintendo when it comes to gaming and console/handheld history.

me personally there all worth only the same $150.00 at most that I wlll pay for any of them when the time comes, good or bad I got my money's worth when that time comes too lol.

I compare them to what the playstation 1 and xbox cost when they came out and what there worth now wich is about a tenth of the launch price.

same wil go for these console's too and when that time comes I still dont care who was best on the games or sale becuase I was not the dummy that paid 500+ for any console in the first place.

I am not saying it is wrong if your the desprite for one but me there just a game console and I already have a ton that need attention with huge back logs so am in no hurry to go out burn weeks pay on any of them when I can grab them all down the road for a single weeks pay for al of them.

but as far as the wii-U and the next gen console's as long as link and mario live on so will nintendo it been a proven formula over and over for over 25 years now and something xbox and sony will never toach plain and simple.

[Slippyblade]

I did a study on this while I was in the Child development field.

While the violent TV and video games can influence attitude to a degree, the study could not provide any statistically significant data that they increased the probability of violent actions.

So, my bottom line...I don't let my kids watch/plat anything that I deem isn't age appropriate.

I used my own internal ratio of what kind of violence is age appropriate for my kids. I mean...cartoons and Mario games have violence...so I drew my own line...?

Due diligence?  Paying attention to your kids?  Taking responsibility for your own judgement calls?

That's downright un-American!

[Dawgz Rule]

Video games lead to violent behavior just like listening to Led Zeppelin made me worship the devil due to backward masking.  Oh wait, it didn't.

And since it came up....blaming guns for (insert topic here)  is like blaming cars for DWI's...maybe we should ban cars.

Ratings on games is a product of the gaming industry trying to avoid govt. intervention in the gaming industry...period.

All of the surrounding issues amount to poor parenting and/or lack of personal accountability.

[knave]

Video games lead to violent behavior just like listening to Led Zeppelin made me worship the devil due to backward masking.  Oh wait, it didn't.

And since it came up....blaming guns for (insert topic here)  is like blaming cars for DWI's...maybe we should ban cars.

Ratings on games is a product of the gaming industry trying to avoid govt. intervention in the gaming industry...period.

All of the surrounding issues amount to poor parenting and/or lack of personal accountability.

I agree.

[Dawgz Rule]

 

[Malenko]

Video games lead to violent behavior just like listening to Led Zeppelin made me worship the devil due to backward masking.  Oh wait, it didn't.

And since it came up....blaming guns for (insert topic here)  is like blaming cars for DWI's...maybe we should ban cars.

Ratings on games is a product of the gaming industry trying to avoid govt. intervention in the gaming industry...period.

All of the surrounding issues amount to poor parenting and/or lack of personal accountability.

^ This

[SavannahLion]

Video games lead to violent behavior just like listening to Led Zeppelin made me worship the devil due to backward masking.  Oh wait, it didn't.

And since it came up....blaming guns for (insert topic here)  is like blaming cars for DWI's...maybe we should ban cars.

Ratings on games is a product of the gaming industry trying to avoid govt. intervention in the gaming industry...period.

All of the surrounding issues amount to poor parenting and/or lack of personal accountability.

You forgot the books. 

[s_busby_uk]

To bring this back to the OPs point...

A friend of mine happened to send this link to me today (apropos of nothing) which provides an unnamed developer's insight into developing for the Wii U.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-secret-developers-wii-u-the-inside-story

If you're not interested in the trials and tribulations of developing for the platform, you can skip to just after the Assassins Creed video and see his more general conclusion.

In short, he explains the pitfalls in the hardware, the lack of support, the bad timing of its release and the withdrawal of support from third-party developers.

[DaveMMR]

Interesting read s_bubsy. That does explain a lot of the reasons why the industry turns it back on Nintendo hardware.

[ark_ader]

What I took from that article was not development communication from Nintendoh, but management and developer greed.  Sometimes you have to sacrifice time and money to get to grips with a new platform.  Wanting to see a COD level product on the third tit platform from the get go is just fantasy.

Just let the Japanese develop for the platform and leave the foreign 3rd parties to their own devices.  Now with two consoles on a X86 platform, having to reinvent the wheel will not be an issue.

IMHO if it was my company doing the work, I would only want the best, and it was the second best explaining in that article.  I would say management was responsible for the 3rd parties pulling from the Wii U, not Nintendoh.

[DGP]

A real gamer plays a bit of everything and being a loyalist to one company is honestly ridiculous unless you are a major shareholder.

Limiting yourself to the big N leaves a ton of amazing content on the table, period!

I own most consoles, from the 2600 up to the PS4/Xone (own both), a stout gaming pc, arcade cabinets, handhelds, tablets and I find the WiiU to be severely lacking considering it has been around for about 14 months, they have under delivered thus far when it comes to first party content (which is the only reason I own a Wii... 1st party).

These loyalist driven debates are always so entertaining. 
 


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[s_busby_uk]

So you're going to willingly ignore all the bits where he talks about poor developer tools, unfinished features, overly slow feedback time, last generation tech... It's clear the console was rushed out the door.

Your solution to just let the Japanese develop for the platform is mind bogglingly narrow minded and it would be suicide for Nintendo to do that. You mention the x86 architecture of the ps4 and xbox1 - clearly these are machines that have been carefully designed to make it as easy as possible for developers to make games for them without having to waste valuable time working out the platform, which was always one of the issues raised at the PS3.

The best thing that can happen out of this is for Nintendo to learn from its arrogance in time for it's next console - but unless they get a boost from China since it's laws on consoles were loosened, it's going to find this generation a real struggle.


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[s_busby_uk]

These loyalist driven debates are always so entertaining. 

I'm honestly trying to be as objective as I can here! This has nothing to do with hating Nintendo for my part - I love their games! I even own a Wii (even if I've not used it in over a year). But I've been following console news for the last couple of years via various RSS feeds and news sources, and the signs are not great for Nintendo. But I will be the first to applaud if they turn things around!

[DGP]

These loyalist driven debates are always so entertaining. 

I'm honestly trying to be as objective as I can here! This has nothing to do with hating Nintendo for my part - I love their games! I even own a Wii (even if I've not used it in over a year). But I've been following console news for the last couple of years via various RSS feeds and news sources, and the signs are not great for Nintendo. But I will be the first to applaud if they turn things around!

Absolutely has nothing to do with hating Nintendo, they have made some of the best games of all time and I think most everyone would agree.

However they have made some serious mistakes with the WiiU and it's feeling more and more like a sinking ship for all but the loyal fan base.

Heck self admitted loyal N fans have been calling them out for months asking where the games are, sadly Nintendo's arrogance has lost them most third party support and they admit their own AAA titles take a long time to develop.

It's ironic how big N fans like to rip on games like COD yet seem to be thrilled with a New 'Mario Kart' title every year (meaning same core gameplay but with new content) . Which is not meant to imply that COD is better than Mario Kart, it's just an observation.

 
Jason

[Hoopz]

I'm not sure I agree with the headline but this brings everything into stark relief:

http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/17/wii-u-not-selling/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000591

[pbj]

Oh god, I can't wait to hear how this is a good thing.

 

[s_busby_uk]

Just adding more fuel to this fire:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/wii-u-sees-rare-negative-sales-trend-in-second-holiday-season/

...'cos everyone loves a good graph.


Edit: Interesting little article here too:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/10/the-wii-u-death-spiral-and-how-nintendo-can-reverse-it/

[ark_ader]

If I was Nintendoh I would allow hacking of the console for home brew applications.  If the device is as dead as a dodo, why not make it more appealing to the hacker community, and spin it.

[hypernova]

If I was Nintendoh I would allow hacking of the console for home brew applications.  If the device is as dead as a dodo, why not make it more appealing to the hacker community, and spin it.

Because the hacker community is not nearly big enough to save the console.  Nor would they want to actually promote hacking.

[pbj]

Hackers have been unable to do anything on WiiU.

That conference where they announced, "we've figured it all out but don't want to release it" was pure comedy.

[northerngames]

I am sure there attention is all on the ps4 and xbox one before the wii-u get's any of their attention there's just not enough interest to have the wii-u hacked over the other console's at ths point in time is all.

if the xbox one and ps4 was not luanched the console would be hacked already but the xbox and sony disracted them from the wii-u is all lol.

once there both cracked I am sure the wii-u will be on the menu afterwards but for now there is no point other then to say yup it's hacked and all that work for this small handfull of titles 

[danny_galaga]

I am sure there attention is all on the ps4 and xbox one before the wii-u get's any of their attention there's just not enough interest to have the wii-u hacked over the other console's at ths point in time is all.

if the xbox one and ps4 was not luanched the console would be hacked already but the xbox and sony disracted them from the wii-u is all lol.

once there both cracked I am sure the wii-u will be on the menu afterwards but for now there is no point other then to say yup it's hacked and all that work for this small handfull of titles 

I don't follow this logic. WiiU was out first. Has been out for a while, shouldn't it be the first to be hacked if all things are equal? It really does seem the reason is that it is harder to hack, in which case it has little to do with the other two major consoles...