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Author Topic: Why do people keep saying the Wii U is struggling when it's currently winning?  (Read 28929 times)

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I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything, it's just that every website and even a lot of people keep posting the "wii u is doomed" articles.  Considering I couldn't find one anywhere all winter I was starting to smell the stink of deceit.  So I looked up the current sales figures at vg charts:

Worldwide total sales:

Wii U - 5.25 million, over 2.25 million being US sales
Ps4 - 4.13 million, 2.19 million US sales
Xbone - 2.93 million, 2 million US sales


Worldwide Software Sales: 

Wii U - 19.93 mill, 9.33 US sales
PS4 - 9.3 mill, 4.86 US sales
Xbone - 6.96 mill, 4.35 US

I know some people are going to chime in and point out that the Wii U has been out a whole year, but I don't see how that's relevant.  Last year the Wii U had very strong holiday sales, and then it fell off, because they didn't have any games ready.  If you'll look at the two new guys you'll note they are probably going to run into the same problem.  But regardless... Where are the "XB One is doomed!" articles?  If you look at the numbers it is the one that is struggling as typically holiday launches have strong sales... even the Wii U did better numbers last year.

Of course these figures probably aren't 100% accurate, but vgcharts are at least impartial. 

My point is the PS4 and Wii U are doing ok... the Xbone, not so much.  Yet the Wii U is getting all the bad press.


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Because people love to hate on the company that brought the industry back from the dead after Atari killed it off. 

I've had a Wii U for quite awhile now.  How many 3rd party games do I own?  Zero.

I bought it to play 1st party titles.  That's it.  I pre-ordered all the "big ones" the day after I bought the thing.  I look at all the titles available, and the only ones I want to play are the 1st party titles, which also happen to be exclusive to Nintendo.

I have a Wii, and I did the same thing there (I bought it a month after it was released).  I own a bunch of 1st party titles for that, and maybe one or two 3rd party titles.

I bought a GameCube when I lived in Japan.  Why?  For the 1st party titles.  I ended up buying a couple of 3rd party games, but that's because I was bored.   I sold the GameCube when I got back to the states (still kind of regret selling it).

1st party games sell Nintendos.  And there is a serious lack of them right now.   /cry

I do enjoy other consoles too...

I have a PS2 and a PS3 as well.  I bough the PS3 to play God of War games (God of War PS3 bundle actually) - why?  Because you can only get God of War on that platform.  I also bought the Uncharted series and have enjoyed that.  (The PS2 was a gift....)

Every other game I buy that's not exclusive to a console is on Steam or Origin.

Xbox Live and PSN have proven that they have no control over digital sales - and paying customers lose access to the stuff they buy.  Steam doesn't have that problem - you may loose the ability to buy, but I can still download and install games I paid for that are no longer available.  So...  screw PSN and Xbox Line. 

The current game line up of Xbox One and PS4 makes me wonder what they're doing.   There is nothing I want to play on either console.  (well, maybe Resogun on the PS4... hehe).   But Nintendo's line up basically sucks too outside of Mario and Zelda games.

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if you look at ALL the numbers it has been in decline and will level off well below the other two. consoles are a money waste now anyway... psone back was greatness... dreamcast was ahead of it's time and best console ever... all downhill after that. PC and emulators are where it's at. new console games are trash compared to PC offerings.

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consoles are a money waste now anyway... psone back was greatness... dreamcast was ahead of it's time and best console ever... all downhill after that. PC and emulators are where it's at. new console games are trash compared to PC offerings.

Such great classics like Swamp Buggy Racing, Extreme Paintbrawl, Big Rigs;D

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I'm a bit puzzled by the hate too. I wonder if it's because of the controller? I don't intend to buy any of the three, but I hope Nintendo do well. Consoles is pretty much all they do, unlike MS and Sony who could I guess ditch their consoles and continue with their other products. Nintendo doesn't have that luxury...


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The current game line up of Xbox One and PS4 makes me wonder what they're doing.   There is nothing I want to play on either console.  (well, maybe Resogun on the PS4... hehe).   But Nintendo's line up basically sucks too outside of Mario and Zelda games.

Well I mentioned this when the Wii U was released, I think it was a case of "me too" syndrome.  Nintendo had a solid plan... get the Wii out cheaply but start working on the next console immediately... the instant sales start dropping, announce the release of the next console and get the thing out before the other two.  M$ and Sony positioned themselves to make consoles that lasted 10 years or more... they even said so when people asked.  That is until the Wii U was announced, then they were all about talking about the upcoming consoles.  I think they knew that if the Wii U was the only next gen console for more than a year it would spell their doom so both companies released their units before they were ready.  It would explain the lack of games and ridiculously high price tags. 

danny.. I dunno, the controller is the best part of the system.  If nothing else the fact that I can tap a button on my gamepad and immediately look up info on the game on the net is worth the price of admission alone.  I can't tell you how useful that is, especially on games like Assassin's Creed.  I mean last go around people complained about the wiimote... now they offer a more traditional gamepad and people still complain?  Maybe the younger generations are confused?  EVERY Nintendo console gets an over-hauled controller... every single one.  It is expected.  They aren't Sony. 

dcninja:  There hasn't been a good pc game released that is exclusive to the pc in over 10 years. 

And I don't want people reading this to get confused, I'm not saying that the Wii U is going to win the console war or anything, I'm just saying that their sales are rather healthy... especially in Japan where sales exploded after the release of SM3DW.  I mean they did ok with the gamecube and it's sales were terrible.... it's actually the first Nintendo console I skipped out on initially... only buying it a year or two after release.

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I intend on buying a wii u in the very near future, purely for the mario bros/kart titles. Having owned both the 360 and PS3 (PS3 for a month, not my bag) I have no intention of paying silly money for either of the new consoles at this moment in time. The only title that might entice me in the future is Titanfall on the Xbone. The thing with the wii u is its just fun, nothing serious, simple pick up / put down fun. I tried the original wii and though it was absolute rubbish, the motion thing to me was just a gimmick, whereas the Mario titles on the wii u look like they could be a return to the nes/snes days. Only time will tell how many people like me, who had no interest at all in the wii u at launch, will now snap one up due to the amazing 1st party titles.
    

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I know some people are going to chime in and point out that the Wii U has been out a whole year, but I don't see how that's relevant.

Surely this is absolutely relevant? Your stats their show it - the PS4 has almost matched the wii U's lifetime sales in little over a month. There are industry statistics supporting the poor uptake of the Wii U and many third-party detractors. I regularly read press releases for games on news websites that actually state "Not coming out for Wii U". Nintendo have failed to make it clear to the public exactly what a Wii U is - it's confusing for people who bought a Wii one Christmas to play bowling with their aunt because they're not in the know. Is it just the tablet? Will it work with my old Wii?

But Nintendo can certainly afford a slow uptake because they've made so much money off of the DS and the Wii. I'm sure I read somewhere that they never sell hardware at a loss. But they have to sort out how they work with third-parties and how they approach marketing the device to people. The first few months of a consoles release are so crucial to it being accepted by the public and they appear to have cocked it up.

Also, from a personal stand point, I'm really bored of the major Wii U releases being another new Mario variant.

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All we ever used the Wii for was NetFlix.

The WiiU, in an incredibly dumb move, does not shut off the tablet screen during NetFlix.  The only way to watch a movie on that thing is to leave the controller plugged in while it constantly drains and recharges the battery.  Defies all reason and the only work around is to start a movie and carry the controller out of the room until it loses range.

I got a Deluxe a year ago when nobody could sell them and the flippers started dumping them at a loss.  Recall I paid $100 below retail?  Let me know when you see a PS4 deal like that.

The 2D Mario game was fun for a week.  ZombiU is one of the worst games I've ever played.  Trine 2 and Scribblenauts came out on everything else for $5.  Seems like I own a few other games and can't even remember what they are. 

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dcninja:  There hasn't been a good pc game released that is exclusive to the pc in over 10 years.

You're missing out on some really amazing stuff.  I don't know what's out there for people who like nintendo-style games, but there are some incredible games out there that you may never see on a console.

Some of my current favorites:

Mount and Blade: Warband
Kerbal Space Program
Crusader Kings 2

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I think you need to accept that the industry sees Nintendo as an old, out-of-touch relic that is no longer welcome to the party. Some of these perceptions could be attributed to Nintendo's baffling policies of treating all their customers like children that need protection from the real world. But, equally so, their best games are dismissed as not being 'gritty, realistic or mature.'

Truth be told, there are many who would rather Nintendo go the route of Sega - exiting the hardware game and releasing their IPs to smart phones and mainstream consoles.

The sales reports don't matter so much. So long as Nintendo churns out quality stuff, they eventually get my money. And despite that one recent hiccup, they're still quite healthy.

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I think you need to accept that the industry sees Nintendo as an old, out-of-touch relic that is no longer welcome to the party.

I don't knwo that that's necessarily true. Sure, the majority of "hardcore" gamers (for wont of a better word) may have lost touch with the Nintendo that probably fuelled much of their youth, but Nintendo's market isn't that type of person anymore, it's the family audience. It's why you'll rarely see Nintendo pitching its technical specifications in marketing - because they know that their audeicne doesn't know how to interpret these figures nor care. Nintendo's main concern is getting as many boxes into as many houses as possible, which they do by pitching the Wii and the Wii U as essentially fun toys that ANYone can play. And with the Wii they did a damn good job of it.

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Truth be told, there are many who would rather Nintendo go the route of Sega - exiting the hardware game and releasing their IPs to smart phones and mainstream consoles.

Well going the route of Sega would mean releasing a console that fails so badly it almost ruins the company, and I don't think people really want THAT to happen; but putting their games out on iOS - while profitable to a certain degree - would dilute the specificity of their brand. Currently you need Nintendo branded hardware to play Nintendo-branded games, and those games sell those consoles almost as much as the consoles sell the games: I can't deny that part of the reason I bought my 3DS was simply to play Ocarina of Time again in 3D.

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The sales reports don't matter so much. So long as Nintendo churns out quality stuff, they eventually get my money. And despite that one recent hiccup, they're still quite healthy.

Like I said, for every console they sell they make a profit, so they won't lose money. But now that the novelty of the Wii has worn off with the families who bought them just to play Wii Sports, they'r going to have to win back the core gamers who have defected to Sony or Microsoft with the Wii U to really form a solid fanbase again.

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I don't want 'gritty, realistic, or mature' games.  I like to have fun when I play a game.  I don't enjoy murdering people or guiding a team of foul mouthed 13 year olds through a simulated battlefield.

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Yeah, but some of us want to steal Barbie's horse and force it to rape her.  (don't look at me, that was SavannahLion's fantasy)


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dcninja:  There hasn't been a good pc game released that is exclusive to the pc in over 10 years.

You're missing out on some really amazing stuff.  I don't know what's out there for people who like nintendo-style games, but there are some incredible games out there that you may never see on a console.

Some of my current favorites:

Mount and Blade: Warband
Kerbal Space Program
Crusader Kings 2

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it takes a AAA console title to match the fun of a small indie PC game...
FTL
UnEpic
Starbound
Shadowrun Returns
Wastland 2

...and many more great PC games.

If the consoles are lucky good PC games are ported with sub-par controls...

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by next year ps4 will probably sell more

I dont see xbone winning the "war" tho




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Keep in mind I'm not even referring to the 'hardcore' gamers, but rather the 20/30-somethings who somehow keep buying "Call of Duty"/"Battlefield" games even those they're all ostensibly the same thing over and over.  (Okay, that statement was a bit 'generalizing' and  'fanboyish.' Nevertheless that seems to be my perception of the average adult gamer. And I'll admit these gritty shooters can be somewhat fun at times, but not particularly challenging or memorable in the way Nintendo's classics are.) To that particular demographic, having a Nintendo-branded piece of hardware in their house may seem unhip. (The Wii was the exception as it really struck a chord with the non-traditional gamers, except they were happy playing Wii Sports until eternity and practically nothing else. The original NES maybe as well, as it's currently the "old relic" of choice for wannabe hipsters.)

Just theorizing, I don't know.

 
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xbone

Kind of an aside, but I ALWAYS read this as "ex-bone".
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Ha, I'd assumed that was the joke!


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As an aside, we had an WiiU at the Video Game Club meeting today (it's a club I sponsor at the high school I work at), and the kids were hooting and hollering, totally loving it. Contrast that with the serious, sullen looks on the kids playing Halo 4 on the xBox.
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As an aside, we had an WiiU at the Video Game Club meeting today (it's a club I sponsor at the high school I work at), and the kids were hooting and hollering, totally loving it. Contrast that with the serious, sullen looks on the kids playing Halo 4 on the xBox.

Great point.  I see that with my own kids.  The feel you get is very different from Nintendo games vs PS3.


I was one of those "I'm never going to buy a Wii U" people but we broke down and got one for Christmas.  I have to say it has been a huge hit in our house.  Super Mario Brothers and Nintendoland in particular.  Being able to play with the TV turned off is fantastic as well.  Although I have to agree with PBJ that leaving the controller screen on while using Netflix is crazy dumb.

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dcninja:  There hasn't been a good pc game released that is exclusive to the pc in over 10 years. 

wut?

Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs
Arma III / DayZ
DOTA 2
Prison Architect
Star bound
WasteLand2
TrackMania
Assetto Corsa
iRacing
StarCraft 2
League of Legends
Civ 5
FTL (Faster Than Light)
Metro 2033
Jamestown
Retro City Rampage (though its supposed to be coming out for the 3DS)
HotLine Miama
Mini Motor Racing Evo (despite the ---smurfy--- AI, great game)
Rogue Legacy
Sine Mora
Typing of the Dead : Overkill
Valdis Story:Abyssal City (pretty great Metroidvania style game)
Mark of the Ninja

and thats just combing my installed games in steam for the most part :)



Also, I may eventually get a WiiU but not for a LONG time and a hefty price drop. I still feel burned by the Wii. But its not like I plan to get a PS4 or XB1 for a very long time either.
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Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs
Arma III / DayZ
DOTA 2
Prison Architect
Star bound
WasteLand2
TrackMania
Assetto Corsa
iRacing
StarCraft 2
League of Legends
Civ 5
FTL (Faster Than Light)
Metro 2033
Jamestown
Retro City Rampage (though its supposed to be coming out for the 3DS)
HotLine Miama
Mini Motor Racing Evo (despite the ---smurfy--- AI, great game)
Rogue Legacy
Sine Mora
Typing of the Dead : Overkill
Valdis Story:Abyssal City (pretty great Metroidvania style game)
Mark of the Ninja

I've got half that crap on my Xbox 360. 


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That other half is still a lot of good gaming that's not on a console.


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I've got half that crap on my Xbox 360.
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Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs Windows, OSX, and Linux only http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesia:_A_Machine_for_Pigs
Arma III / DayZ : Windows only  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmA_III
DOTA 2 : Windows, OSX, Linux Only  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOTA_2
Prison Architect : Windows, OSX, Linux Only http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_Architect
Starbound : Windows, OSX, and Linux only , announced but not released for PS4 and PS Vita http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starbound
Wasteland 2: Windows, OSX, and Linux only http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_2
Trackmania : Windows only. Technically a version was made for Wii and another for DS that arent quite the same game. Not released on 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trackmania
Assetto Corsa: Windows Only. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assetto_Corsa
iRacing : Windows Only http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iracing
Star Craft 2 : Windows and OSX only. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcraft_2
League of Legends : Windows and OSX only. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Legends
Civ 5  : Windows and OSX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civ_5
FTL: Windows, OSX, Linux , iOS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTL:_Faster_Than_Light
Metro 2033 DING DING DING! Available on 360 and Windows. This is the first one you could actually possibly have on your 360. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_2033_%28video_game%29
Jamestown: Windows, OSX, Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamestown_%28video_game%29
Retro City Rampage : DING DING DING available on pretty much everything, including 360
Hotline Miami : Windows, OSX, Linux, PS3, and PS Vita. Not on 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotline_Miami
Mini Motor Racing Evo : Windows Only (mini motor racing is on iOS and Droid) http://thebinarymill.com/mini_motor_racing_evo.php
Rogue Legacy : Windows , OSX, Linux, PS3,PS4, Vita, no 360
Sine Mora: Available on errrrrting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine_Mora
Typing of the Dead Overkill : Windows only (note: NOT House of the dead, TYPING though house is bundled with typing) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typing_of_the_Dead:_Overkill#Typing_of_the_Dead:_Overkill
Valdis Story: Windows Only http://www.valdisstory.com/
Mark of the Ninja: 360, Windows, OSX, Linux


So thats 3 out of 23 that you could have on 360 gotta say that's little less than half, but I was told there would be no math. 6 out of 23 available on PS3/PS4/360. I say not bad for just spit balling together a list off the top of my head. If you'd like I can edit my first post and just have a list of 17 good exclusives. <3


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Nintendo has been dealing with this nonsense ever since the Gamecube.  One of the things to keep in mind in regards to Nintendo is that they own their factories and, as such, directly control their costs.  Even if, in the long run, they don't sell quite as many consoles as the other guys they turn a profit on every single piece of hardware they sell.  Which is totally the opposite of Microsoft and Sony.  Also, Nintendo's market is very different than the other guys.  Nintendo has long been going after the casual and family market that MS and Sony, in large part, ignore.

When I was a game store manager we sold 2 wii's for every Xbox or PS that was sold.  When Mom came in to buy a console, we sold a Wii.  When G-ma came in to get a gift, we sold a Wii.  When the herd of 5-12 yr old siblings came in, we sold a Wii.  When the 30-something gamer came in foaming about Call of Duty 2012 or Madden: Black Ops, we sold an Xbox or PS.

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Malenko, don't take this the wrong way, but most of the games on that list are crappy independent titles that you can breeze through in an hour or are so underwhelming they could be ported to a cell phone.  I meant AAA titles. 

I mean when you are listing the typing part of typing of the dead OK, you are grasping at straws. 

Like I said, the PC hasn't had a major exclusive title in over 10 years.

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I think you need to accept that the industry sees Nintendo as an old, out-of-touch relic that is no longer welcome to the party. Some of these perceptions could be attributed to Nintendo's baffling policies of treating all their customers like children that need protection from the real world. But, equally so, their best games are dismissed as not being 'gritty, realistic or mature.'

Truth be told, there are many who would rather Nintendo go the route of Sega - exiting the hardware game and releasing their IPs to smart phones and mainstream consoles.

The sales reports don't matter so much. So long as Nintendo churns out quality stuff, they eventually get my money. And despite that one recent hiccup, they're still quite healthy.

But why?  Idiot teenage/20 something gamers get a pass, they are too stupid and full of hormones to know any better, but surely "the industry" should know by now that Nintendo always leads the charge in longevity, if not innovation?  Nintendo doesn't treat their consumers like children, they put child-safe features into their consoles because many of their consumers ARE children.  Microsoft and Sony really need to do some of that stuff if you ask me.  I haven't used voice chat in online-multiplayer in years because 8 and 10 year old kids are always cursing like sailors on there.  Their parents need to get them off the "adult" consoles. 

Nintendo can't go the route of Sega, it's impossible.  Sega always copied what Nintendo did... Nintendo, on the other hand, designs their consoles based around games they want to make.  You can't make Nintendo games on anything else but Nintendo hardware. 

I just don't get FPS... at least not people my age playing them.  I played them extensively in high school and college, but I grew out of it.  They were actually acceptable in our day though... you were shooting demons from mars/hell or mutant pigs from outer space, not creepily realistic human models on a creepily realistic modern battlefield.  I'm not saying that sort of thing is wrong, but I don't know if it's right either.  I feel a bit uneasy playing stuff like that. 

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Malenko, don't take this the wrong way, but most of the games on that list are crappy independent titles that you can breeze through in an hour or are so underwhelming they could be ported to a cell phone.  I meant AAA titles. 

I mean when you are listing the typing part of typing of the dead OK, you are grasping at straws. 

Like I said, the PC hasn't had a major exclusive title in over 10 years.
Most triple A titles aren't developed for just 1 system, unless its first party like Nintendo. Typing of the dead is great, beyond just good. Not only do I have a fun way to try and improve my typing, I have a "light gun" game to play too (yes, I use a mouse, its still fun) and it cost me $10. I had a blast playing the original typing of the dead on dreamcast.  I for one have found a lot more fun per dollar in "crappy independent" games than big budget titles. Example, Assassins Creed III sucked and I dropped $60 on it. Retro City Rampage is an ode to all the games I played growing up as a kid and it cost me like $5.  I even made a effort to not list FPS games, you make me sad.

Ok, your turn, name a good WiiU exclusive not made by Nintendo (or any of its studios) that's awesome. Go ahead, I'll wait.

I know youre a nintendo fanboi, and thats cool but....
Nintendo can't go the route of Sega, it's impossible.  Sega always copied what Nintendo did... Nintendo, on the other hand, designs their consoles based around games they want to make.  You can't make Nintendo games on anything else but Nintendo hardware. 
Rly? I had no problem playing any NES game, SNES game and most N64 games on my xbox1.

Wii was waggle shovelware.

And for the record, I'm not a big FPS guy or a repeat sports game buyer. I typically pick up the latest NHL if it adds something new. I didnt pick up NHL 14 because I dont consider "leaky goalies" a feature.
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Like I said, the PC hasn't had a major exclusive title in over 10 years.

*cough*

World of Warcraft.  9 million (monthly) paying customers would agree (used to be 11 million)
(and a good bunch of other MMOs)

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I just don't get FPS... at least not people my age playing them.  I played them extensively in high school and college, but I grew out of it.  They were actually acceptable in our day though... you were shooting demons from mars/hell or mutant pigs from outer space, not creepily realistic human models on a creepily realistic modern battlefield.  I'm not saying that sort of thing is wrong, but I don't know if it's right either.  I feel a bit uneasy playing stuff like that.

Sounds like you would Like Borderlands 2...But really. FPS games are just fun...exponentially fun when you play with your friend or other live people...on a team.
Try a game with 64 player maps. Or a night of 4 player coop.
Why would you discount a whole genre as being for teenagers.  Yet conveniently not apply this logic for arcade games...Didn't you grow out of it?

Howard, It sounds that since you havn't played any of the awesome games that are only availible on the PC that you discount them for all of us.

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Malenko, don't take this the wrong way, but most of the games on that list are crappy independent titles that you can breeze through in an hour or are so underwhelming they could be ported to a cell phone.  I meant AAA titles. 

I mean when you are listing the typing part of typing of the dead OK, you are grasping at straws. 

Like I said, the PC hasn't had a major exclusive title in over 10 years.
Most triple A titles aren't developed for just 1 system, unless its first party like Nintendo. Typing of the dead is great, beyond just good. Not only do I have a fun way to try and improve my typing, I have a "light gun" game to play too (yes, I use a mouse, its still fun) and it cost me $10. I had a blast playing the original typing of the dead on dreamcast.  I for one have found a lot more fun per dollar in "crappy independent" games than big budget titles. Example, Assassins Creed III sucked and I dropped $60 on it. Retro City Rampage is an ode to all the games I played growing up as a kid and it cost me like $5.  I even made a effort to not list FPS games, you make me sad.

Ok, your turn, name a good WiiU exclusive not made by Nintendo (or any of its studios) that's awesome. Go ahead, I'll wait.

I know youre a nintendo fanboi, and thats cool but....
Nintendo can't go the route of Sega, it's impossible.  Sega always copied what Nintendo did... Nintendo, on the other hand, designs their consoles based around games they want to make.  You can't make Nintendo games on anything else but Nintendo hardware. 
Rly? I had no problem playing any NES game, SNES game and most N64 games on my xbox1.

Wii was waggle shovelware.

And for the record, I'm not a big FPS guy or a repeat sports game buyer. I typically pick up the latest NHL if it adds something new. I didnt pick up NHL 14 because I dont consider "leaky goalies" a feature.

You are seriously going to compare what are essentially mini games to REAL games?  And seriously you are going to count typing of the dead when I played it YEARS ago on the wii, only with a superior gun controller?  Hell it was released for the ps3 a couple of years ago as well.  I bought typing of the dead... it was a great novelty... for an afternoon.  On the other hand I went back to House on the Wii over and over again, because I could play with a gun.  TOTDOK disappointingly doesn't even support multiplayer unless you do it online.

I don't know if you are trolling or what... but the system architecture of the NES/SNES ect is what made those games possible and great.  Emulation doesn't fall into the equation because that game has already been built.  Also if you enjoyed playing those games with an inferior d-pad then more power to you, I'll stick to a real one myself.  An inferior d-pad, attached to a controller, I might add, that was a blatent rip-off of the snes controller.  Seriously think before you type this stuff man, you aren't making any sense.  The xbox, or the gamepad as we know it wouldn't even exist without Nintendo.  Prior to the nes all game controllers looked like 2600 joysticks. 

I think you guys are confused... I have played nearly every game on that list you gave... all of those games... they just aren't full-sized games. Have I played some of those games and even enjoyed them?  Sure!  Would I buy a PC just to play those games... hell no!  On the other hand there are games on all of the major consoles I could see myself buying a system just to play (except the ps4 and xbone, but they are brand new... give them time).  THAT is the difference. I can get a great deal of enjoyment out of throwback and indie games, but they weren't made 30 years ago so their length and lack of content/replay value becomes and issue. 

Also to further the point along you can NOT compare a game that costs 5 dollars to one that costs 60.  One is a AAA game and one is not.  That was kind of my point.  If you are going to go that route then we are all borked because the iOS/Android market is the most viable gaming platform... after all they sell millions upon millions of their crappy 1 dollar mini games.   

Why would I need to name an exclusive for the Wii/Wii U not made by Nintendo?  The whole point of getting a Nintendo console is to play Nintendo games on it and the fact that they ARE exclusive was my entire argument.  I think I've hit a nerve here, but I'm not sure why... I'm just speaking the truth, namely the pc master race died around the time the 360 was released.  I'm sad to see it go, I LIKED pc gaming... but it just isn't in the shape it used to be.  All of these oddball genres that used to be pc only like fps/ rts, ect... they have slowly but surely all migrated to the consoles.  Now they are developed for the consoles first and ported to the pc a year or more later. 

The Wii was NOT shovelware... I think I've had this conversation with you a million times.  Many of the best selling and highest rated games of last gen were on the Wii.  You didn't like them, that's fine, but it does NOT invalidate the merits of the Wii.  The fact that motion controls are now a standard on all three consoles even a generation later kind of shows that it wasn't a gimmick and it's here to stay. 

Some of you obviously don't "get" Nintendo.  They try these crazy over-the-top ideas, they always have.  Sometimes they stick, sometimes, they flop and sometimes they just need to be brought down to earth a little, but they are pretty much the only company that does that.  And they've popularized everything from the d-pad, to putting start/select buttons on the gamepad, hell the gamepad itself, to the standard arrangement of buttons, shoulder buttons, the analog stick, rumble feedback,ect....  Put yourself back in 1985.  Arcades have joysticks, the Atari has a joystick, C64, all those guys... joysticks.  Nintendo comes out with this flat square brick with a black plastic cross on it?  Think of how big of a risk that was! They seem generic now but these were crazy ideas back in the day... time just makes them seem more sensible as they are accepted into the industry. 

knave I didn't apply the logic to other genres because they aren't broken.  When you are young you like immature stuff, and when you get older you put that aside and keep the good stuff.  I didn't discount the whole genre as being for teenagers, you are putting words into my mouth.  I discounted all the realistic war fps as being for teenagers, because quite frankly each sequel is exactly the same as the last, and they just weren't very good to begin with.  The genre is degraded actually.  Back in the Doom/Quake days you actually had more varied environments and weapons... you could carry more stuff at a time ect....  The few fps that are good actually vary from the formula so much I'm not sure if they are even fps.  I mean stuff like Portal, and Metroid Prime and although I don't like it, Bioshock. 

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One of the things to keep in mind in regards to Nintendo is that they own their factories and, as such, directly control their costs.  Even if, in the long run, they don't sell quite as many consoles as the other guys they turn a profit on every single piece of hardware they sell.  Which is totally the opposite of Microsoft and Sony.

That hasn't been true since 2011 when Nintendo approved the massive 3DS price drop and they are still losing money on each Wii U they sell.

Nintendo turning a profit on hardware has long been the primary "talking point" of the fanboi when gaming discussion turns to that "hot new game"
not coming to the Nintendo console, Nintendo's derision of third parties, or Nintendo failing to properly support their own console.
Suppose Nintendo were indeed making a profit on each wii U they sell, even the most the most diehard of fanboi's would have trouble trying to
gag out the flacid "at least Nintendo is profitable" argument once games like Fallout 4 release on everything but the Wii U.
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I really think talking about "exclusives" on a PC is a pretty redundant idea. The PC at this stage is such a separate entity from consoles regardless of what Valve are attempting - more than anything, it's also a device that isn't bought solely for games. And I'm lumping Linux, Windows and OSX into this. I mean, who cares? Exclusives divide more of a line between Xbox and Playstation at this point - anyone who uses Steam will barely be complaining when the majority of these AAA titles you harp on about end up being sold for as little a £3 during sale time. Meanwhile, Nintendo games seem to stay at a high price point indefinitely, in the UK at least.

This is sheer Nintendo evangelising that doesn't take in the bigger picture. All of these platforms have their pros and cons - but if you're talking about statistics, you can't show me very similar figures comparing console sales for a Wii U that's a year old with a PS4 that's a month old and then pretend that the Wii U has been a runaway success, because it clearly hasn't. Let's have this discussion in a year's time and see what happens - I'd be very surprised if Nintendo isn't overtaken by Sony and/or Microsoft.

To clarify, I don't WANT Nintendo to fail at all - I'm a big fan of ALL consoles (seriously, why bother taking sides at all??). But at the moment it's flagging.

Also, to tackle another point, the Wii really excelled with family-oriented shovelware. Here's an article about it (bit old, but not much changed):

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/09/27/feature-wii-software-problem-shovelware.aspx

And while I don't really like the Call of Duty series myself either, you cannot say that the Dooms/Quakes were better. They were groundbreaking in their day, but the various changes to the FPS formula that have happened since have improved the genre so much - for one, nowadays you get a STORY. Doom and Quake were literally about mindless violence and gore. You can't go from praising Nintendo's risk-taking hardware advances to slating a genre's attempts to do the same with its gameplay.

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But why?  Idiot teenage/20 something gamers get a pass, they are too stupid and full of hormones to know any better, but surely "the industry" should know by now that Nintendo always leads the charge in longevity, if not innovation?  Nintendo doesn't treat their consumers like children, they put child-safe features into their consoles because many of their consumers ARE children.  Microsoft and Sony really need to do some of that stuff if you ask me.  I haven't used voice chat in online-multiplayer in years because 8 and 10 year old kids are always cursing like sailors on there.  Their parents need to get them off the "adult" consoles. 

Nintendo can't go the route of Sega, it's impossible.  Sega always copied what Nintendo did... Nintendo, on the other hand, designs their consoles based around games they want to make.  You can't make Nintendo games on anything else but Nintendo hardware. 

I just don't get FPS... at least not people my age playing them.  I played them extensively in high school and college, but I grew out of it.  They were actually acceptable in our day though... you were shooting demons from mars/hell or mutant pigs from outer space, not creepily realistic human models on a creepily realistic modern battlefield.  I'm not saying that sort of thing is wrong, but I don't know if it's right either.  I feel a bit uneasy playing stuff like that. 

While it's very unlikely Nintendo will leave the hardware game, it's still not impossible. Anything can and has happened. But I didn't bring that up as an eventuality, just an opinion of certain "gamers" who'd like to play, as an example, Pokemon on their iPhones or Android but are not willing to buy a 3DS.

And the "teenage/20 something gamers" do not get a pass because these are the customers with the MOST disposable income.  These are the customers who are dropping money on the CODs and Battlefields (and, in the past: the Guitar Hero/Rock Band entries.)

And the "industry" doesn't care one iota about Nintendo's longevity - they want profit, nothing more - nothing less. Third parties are fair-weathered friends. They have abandoned Nintendo in the mid-90's because of cartridges (pricey, limited space.) And it's still happening now with the likes of EA not even bothering producing any WiiU games. (Don't feel too bad for Nintendo, they were kind of ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- to these 3rd parties in the NES days.) So yeah, if you're the type of person who likes Battlefield or EA Sports games, Nintendo is never going to be your first choice of console.

Now, as for Nintendo treating its customers like children:  They just recently maimed Swapnote because some lowlife was using it for nefarious purposes. Heinous yes, but Nintendo is more interested in putting up walls than reminding parents to set the parental controls and tell their kids not share information (including friendcodes) with strangers online. And yeah, swapnote is just a silly little app on the 3DS but there were users who liked it and weren't too pleased over the change.

Of course, you did say "many of [Nintendo's] customers are children" as a response for the above but then that just proves what the industry has against Nintendo. The average gamer is in his/her 30's and they're the ones with the money to spend on new software and gadgets. So the "adult" consoles get more press while they dismiss Nintendo as "yeah, you're kids will like it." Remember, these are not game journalists I'm referring to but mainstream news and information sources.

Lest you think otherwise, I am huge Nintendo supporter.  I just got a 3DS (loving it) and I plan on getting a WiiU this year. But I know it's an uphill battle for them. You just kind of have to accept that people are going to be talking about the other consoles more.  All you can really do is not worry about it and enjoy your Nintendo.

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I know a lot of gamers and not one owns a Wii-U!
I have never even seen one in person!

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I had a lengthy reply (yeah, even longer than below), but I decided to cut it down, so you'll actually read it.

Me:  "Ok, your turn, name a good WiiU exclusive not made by Nintendo (or any of its studios) that's awesome. Go ahead, I'll wait."
You " Why would I need to name an exclusive for the Wii/Wii U not made by Nintendo?  The whole point of getting a Nintendo console is to play Nintendo games on it and the fact that they ARE exclusive was my entire argument. "

So, what you're saying is, other than Nintendo made WiiU, nothing is worth playing on a WiiU? FINALLY we agree on something.  I don't know if maybe you missed the part where I said I'm not buying a WiiU, XBOX-One, or Playstation 4 ; so I don't have a dog in your troll fight. Did I mention I own a 3DS too? Your "Nintendo games need Nintendo hardware" became invalid after the SNES, pretty much any game that's come out on any system since then could be done on any available hardware (Except Jaguar, man what a turd) at the time.

Howard talking about Nintendo with you is difficult if not impossible. You basically say every genre of game you don't like doesn't count towards a great game (apparently everything that isn't a 3D platformer me thinks) , any game that doesn't have millions of dollars dumped into development sucks  (MineCraft, Fez, Path of Exile, Wasteland2, etc) , and by that same token the most expensive game ever to make (GTA V) isnt a good game either. Or we're wrong cause we don't get Nintendo. I accept some people like you like the WiiU, you need to accept that some people like me, don't like the WiiU (and didnt like the Wii either).
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Wii and Wii U appeal to parents due to the content.  So many kids get violent games for birthdays and Christmas on the Xbox and PSX, which leads them to behaviour problems down the road.  That is why I am against kids playing call of duty.  The age rating on the box should be respected.  We all know what happens if you sell an adult game or video to a child.  ::)

The Wii and Wii U's catalogue is more cartoon and kid friendly, to share games with grampa.  My friend's kids get one hour of Wii game time before bed, and most of the time it is competitive play with wii sports.  His kids are 10 and 13.

I think the tide will turn when the only games available for the PSX and Xbox are the shooters, so the Wii sales will take up the slack.  remember the aged play games too, and the wii is more conservative and easier to use than the modern consoles.
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I really think talking about "exclusives" on a PC is a pretty redundant idea. The PC at this stage is such a separate entity from consoles regardless of what Valve are attempting - more than anything, it's also a device that isn't bought solely for games. And I'm lumping Linux, Windows and OSX into this. I mean, who cares? Exclusives divide more of a line between Xbox and Playstation at this point - anyone who uses Steam will barely be complaining when the majority of these AAA titles you harp on about end up being sold for as little a £3 during sale time. Meanwhile, Nintendo games seem to stay at a high price point indefinitely, in the UK at least.

PC gaming is irrelevant because it's the most affordable?