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Digi cam question(good deal?).
« on: November 27, 2003, 06:14:26 am »
What exactly is 3.1 mega pixel ?
It will take pictures 3000Xwhatever ?


good deal ?
http://weeklyad.circuitcity.com/circuitcity/circular_browse_listing_detail.asp?storeid=2397340&pagenumber=1&rapid=36935&listingid=-2098408420&

$80 isnt too bad but wanted to see other's opinion(s) before I buy it.
Thanks in advace 8)
« Last Edit: November 27, 2003, 06:20:28 am by SNAAAKE »

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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2003, 10:40:29 am »
Hi,

Actually 3.1 mega pixel means that the sensor that will capture the light (picture) has got 3.100.000 pixels. Each one capable of capturing diferent levels of the RGB color system (or other, like canon uses). You have detaild info here:

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/Glossary/Camera_System/Effective_Pixels_01.htm

Hope it clears your doubts ...

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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2003, 11:25:43 am »
I've bought cheap digital cameras in the past and have been dissappointed each time with poor picture quality (pictures turn out very blurry and dark). I think you'd be better off with a known brand that you can find some reviews of online.
The FujiFilm A210 camera that CircuitCity also has on special seems like a good deal ($200 -$40 mail in rebate). You can buy it from buydig.com for the same price without the rebate though. I think I'll pick up an A210 myself for Christmas this year.
Have a look at some reviews on pricegrabber or epinions.

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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2003, 11:30:19 am »
Better than a webcam, but not by much. You'd do better finding a used camera on Ebay.

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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2003, 05:08:43 am »
http://www.dpreview.com/ is a great site to get lots of info, as mentioned earlier.  Most of the actual reviews are on the $300-$1000 (and up) price range, but still a great source of info.


My take on the camera:

3.1 claimed effective megapixel rating means ~2048x1536 res, unless the info is claiming things wrong, and it really is as PedroSilva says.

"4x digital zoom": who cares?  Optical zoom is what matters for cameras, and this one doesn't have any.  It's effective zoom = zero, since you can get a higher quality "digital zoom" in with photopaint or the bazillion image editors and even most viewers .

"includes 8 megs internal mem": you'll need to buy one or more of the SD mem cards it uses.  8 megs at max resolution is ~ 8-16 pictures.
Many of the $150-300 cameras come with a card (8-16 megs), and the more expesive cameras ($250 - 400) come with 16-64 meg cards now.  Cards cost ~$0.50 to $1.50 a meg.

comes with batteries: best part of the camera ;)


But if $80 is all you'll spend, well, every 3 months you wait, the better the features and resolution you'll get.


edit: fixed yabbc italics tag
« Last Edit: November 28, 2003, 08:37:02 pm by u_rebelscum »
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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2003, 05:41:12 pm »
I've had a Canon S30 (3.1 MP) for a year-and-a-half and love it.  Great pics.  But it also fairly expensive way back then.  Recently, my girlfriend was given a $90 digicam as a present by her family and we took it back as soon as we saw the picture quality.  You get what you pay for with these and the 'budget' camera was just terrible!!!  It might be workable if you wished to use it only for lower res pics on websites or ebay but a replacement for a 35mil it was not.  

Read the reviews on dpreview.  Look for something with an optical zoom.  As u_r mentioned, digital zoom is worthless and is a marketing ploy only.  

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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2003, 07:18:04 am »
I totally recommend the canon s230.  It's in the 200-300 range.   I know of at least 5 people who have bought that camera because I've recommended it and they couldn't be happier.  It's tiny, has optical zoom, and takes great pictures.  Oh and it's really tiny :)  

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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2003, 10:51:17 am »
I pretty much agree with everything that has been said, except that there is some value to the digital zoom.  Keep in mind that many of the people now (and especially in the near future) using digital cameras view them as a "hi-tech" replacement for the cheap film cameras they are used to using.  

This means that they, at least initially, don't want to be bothered with learning Photoshop or some other graphics program.  The just want to snap a picture, stick the memory card into the printer and press print.  The digital zoom allows the neophyte the ability to frame the shot and print it as is, albeit at lower resolution/quality.

Here's some other things to keep in mind:

- No optical zoom=fixed focus.  This can be a good thing for those who are not into photography and are used to the point and shoot snapshot cameras.  They can only go out of focus if you flinch while pressing the button, pretty much like a cheap film camera.  There are also a couple of big cost savers to manufacturers because you need only a simple (sometimed even injection molded) lense system, no mechanical parts and no motors.  You can also get away with a cheaper, slower CPU because the camera doesn't have to figure out stuff related to auto-focus.  All of this also leads to extended battery life.

And this adds up to:

- Cost.  If you are buying a camera to take nice pictures of stuff to put up on the web (and webcams don't fall into that description), the current crop of 3+ megapixel cams seem like a good deal.  They aren't going to launch you into a new career as a photographer, but you won't break the bank to get the job done.  And with that kind of resolution, you could probably even use it for the occasional snapshot.

My opinion is that the "mainstream" digital camera of the future will be cheap, no optical zoom and SCADS of pixels (at least when memory gets cheaper, and it will).  Electronic parts will always (eventually) be less expensive to produce than mechanical/optical parts.  This model most closely approximates everything that a simple film camera is/does, with the benefit of being able to post-process the "film" on your desktop.  

Virtually every major name in digital cameras now has a model that falls into this category (maybe even produced in the same far-east factories), and it's probably going to be the first of many.

- Recommendations:

If you get a camera with an optical zoom feature, BE CAREFUL.  Do some research on it and make sure the mechanical stuff is reliable and lasts.  Also make sure that the CPU in the camera is up to the task.  I bought an off-brand 4.1mp auto-zoom that was horrible.  The auto-focus was slow and not very accurate and manual focus was just about out of the question due to a grainy, lo-res LCD screen.  Now that I think about it, every function or feature tied to the CPU (read ALL) was pretty much painful.  Very difficult to take a decent picture.  On the other hand, the 2.1mp HP digital zoom cameras I bought for my daughters work great! The CPU is fast, the menus are intuitive and the pictures are fantastic, expecially for the uninitiated.

So I guess what I am saying is that there are a number of things to investigate when purchasing a digital camera, and the ones you think are most important, may or may not be.  ALL of them affect the quality of the picture you will be able to get out of them, not the least of which being your own skill as a photographer.  Some just make it easier than others.

Fortunately, I just got a killer deal on a Nikon D100 that is the most amazing thing I have ever seen.  So I stopped worrying about all of this already  ;D

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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2003, 01:11:38 pm »
allriiight,decided not to get the $90 one.save money and get a canon s230(or similer).
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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2003, 02:46:57 pm »
Hi snaaake...

I think the new model on that line is called the Canon s400...

you can go to J & R and play with them....

I think its something like $370 - $400...

Another Brilliant mind ruined by education....  :p

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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2003, 04:29:26 pm »
The link doesn't work for me, must have been a weekly special.  What camera was it?

www.steves-digicams.com  for reviews and information on anything you'd ever want to know about digital cameras.


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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2003, 11:26:05 am »
Photography - my "other" hobby!

I bought a Nikon Coolpix 995. It's a great point and shoot, but that's it. When it comes to photography as an art form, it doesn't get the job done, manual focus stinks!

If you want to take great pictures and don't want to do too much manual stuff, check out the Canon Powershot A70. I bought one for my wife and it's a great camera.

I have found that Canon's color reproduction is better than my Nikon's, at least with out running a photo through PhotoShop.

Other points to consider:

Power - the A70 uses AA batteries. AA batteries charge fast, have other uses than a dedicated camera battery. Plus, if you are in a bind, you can always go to any store and buy AA batteries.

Media - the A70 uses compact flash. Compact flash has gone way down in price. If I'm not mistaken, the Fuji FinePix uses xd cards, more expensive.

Post processing - Will you be using PhotoShop or some other photo editing? If not, like I said the Canon, in my experience, has excellent color representation. If you are using PhotoShop, don't use digital zoom. It does effect image quality, you might accidentaly use it when zooming in. Just use PhotoShop to digitaly zoom.

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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2003, 12:12:26 pm »
ok.. snaaake... if you don't want to drop too much... here's another deal....

website at...
http://bensbargains.net/

I have a canon dgi cam myself and is very happy about it...
$139 sounds reasonable and its 3MP... not bad....
good enough for photo quality 4 x 6 (if you print it....)

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Buy.com has the Canon Powershot A300 3.2-MegaPixel Digital Camera for $199 - $10 off $150 [Exp 12/31] - $50 rebate [Exp 12/15] = $139 with free shipping. Looks like a great point and shoot cam. [Preview : BizRate]

3.2 MegaPixels, 3 minutes of video with sound, CompactFlash  

Another Brilliant mind ruined by education....  :p

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Re:Digi cam question(good deal?).
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2003, 01:22:40 am »
I wouldn't buy a digicam online unless it had a good warranty.  I've known two friends in which one pixel on the ccd went bad but was in their 3 year warranty.


I have an Olympus C-3000 3 megapixel camera.  It's pretty cool.