[Rodotron 666B-29] Please help me create my monitor preset

[rock145]

Hi, I been wanting for a long time to get my monitor preset. However, I did not know my monitor type until recently I went to the monitor section and Rick Neiman help me with that. Here is the link of the thread. http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134350.0.html. Since I know its a Rodotron 666B-29 and found the manual on this site: http://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/w/Rodotron_666#Documentation. I wanted to know what other information I need to give in order to get some code put into my groovyUme to maximize my settings.

Thank you.

[rock145]

Here are some pictures.

[Calamity]

Hi rock145,

According to its service manual, that's a tri-sync monitor, so I'd just start with the standard tri-sync preset, using this option:

monitor  arcade_15_25_31

Then start playing games that use the different ranges. If you find them off centered from one range to the other, then it might be a good idea to work out some custom ranges starting from there.

[rock145]

Hi, Calamity thanks for the reply. Here are some games logs and photos that shows Neo Geo games with black bars on top, bottom, and left side. Example Art of Fighting:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4882/utky.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8441/6py8.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3732/wlkc.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7029/qqsu.jpg

Also capcom games like Super Street fighter 2

 http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8577/qs7k.jpg

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/9585/h8el.jpg

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8113/jis2.jpg

and 19xx:

[Calamity]

You're not using "monitor  arcade_15_25_31" as I suggested. You're using the "vga" preset that no longer exists, why?

[rock145]

You're not using "monitor  arcade_15_25_31" as I suggested. You're using the "vga" preset that no longer exists, why?

My bad, I thought I made the change.  I will put  monitor arcade_15_25_31. The reason I had it like that It was because It made my progressive games interlace and bigger and some games that were scramble not scramble.

[rock145]

Here are the right logs with monitor arcade_15_25_31. Neo Geo games like Art of fighting and capcom games like super streefighter 2 look the same as above  pictures except for 19xx the is crop in the middle.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/538/0w12.jpg
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2487/9k7q.jpg

[rock145]

Here are more game logs and some that are scramble.

action fighter
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5048/ih47.jpg

airduel
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9836/9qoo.jpg

scramble games: ajax, alcon, alibaba 1943, A.D. 2083

[rock145]

fix the issue with the games that came out with border on top and bottom. I Ajusted the V-size on the back of the monitor now games are full screen. The only problem remains is that many games come out scrolling but if I change the monitor to generic_15 the games do not scroll.

[Calamity]

Games are scrolling due to a high H freq. Before trying a custom preset, try finding an H Freq potentiometer.

OK, found it in the manual you posted, it's named H Hold, try adjusting it a little bit with one of the problematic games running.

[rock145]

Games are scrolling due to a high H freq. Before trying a custom preset, try finding an H Freq potentiometer.

OK, found it in the manual you posted, it's named H Hold, try adjusting it a little bit with one of the problematic games running.

Thanks Calamity your the man!. I did what you suggested and none of them scroll with monitor arcade_15_25_31. How can something so simple cause problems. Getting to near perfect except that the vertical games that are progressive are not full screen but is better than before the size is bigger but not full. When I was playing around with arcade_31 before I notice that progressive vertical games that got scale to 768 became full size don't know if that helps.Can this monitor do 720x480p? maybe that resolution will make progressive vertical games full screen.

[rock145]

There are like 40 games that are badly size in the middle these are the
resolutions:
384x224 switch res:400x448P: games that uses this resolution are
19xx
1941
Dyger
Eight Forces
GunNail
Mad Shark
Meta Fox
Rapid Hero
Thunder Dragon 2
Varth
Twin Hawk
Dimahoo

384x240 switch res:432x448P: games that uses this resolution are
Blue Shark
Flying Tiger
Hotdog Storm
Last Duel
Mcross Plus
Mazinger Z
pollux
R-Shark
SD gundan Neo Battling
Strike Gunner
Super-X
The last day
Twin eagle
War of Aero
Zing Zing Zip
Blue Hawk

Others:
Air Duel
384x256--456x448P

Image Right
384x256--456x448P

Chopper I
392x224--400x448P

Galaxy Gunners
352x256--456x448P

Sky Alert
360x224--400x448p

Storm Blade
352x240--432x448P

Turbo Force
352x240--432x448p

Twin Eagle 2
336x240--432x448p

Ultra x Weapons
336x240--432x448p

Vasara
336x240--432x448p

World wars
400x224--400x448p

Bermuda Triangle
400x224--400x448p

Vasara 2
336x240--432x448p

Could it be possible to make these vertical games 640x480 interlace as a temporary
solution. Where Do I edit them and change the resolution for each of these
games?

[cools]

The chassis is the same as a C3129 WeiYa, you can use those settings.

[rock145]

The chassis is the same as a C3129 WeiYa, you can use those settings.

In the monitor preset section I don't see C3129 WeiYa unless is the same as another they have there.

[rock145]

I was looking around in this site and it suggested that the rodotron 666B is a good replacement for Nanao MS-2931
http://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/w/Nanao_MS-2931
could I use Nanao MS-2931 Presets with my monitor here is the paragraph that says it

Tube/Yoke Information

The MS2931 and MS2934 share the same tube and yoke, only the chassis differs. It is a Toshiba tube with less curvature than an MS9 but more than a 29e31s on the longer side (the horizontal side if in yoko orientation). The MS2930, MS2931, and MS2934 are all compatible with each other. The correct replacement chassis is a Wei Ya 3129b or Rodotron 666b.

http://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/w/Monitor_Chassis_Equivalents
Monitor Chassis Equivalents

rodotron 666a,wei ya 2931a,wei ya 2929
sanwa 29es31s

rodotron 666a,wei ya 2931a
sanwa pm1745
nanao ms9 series
nanao ms8 series
neotec 2702,nt25e

rodotron 666b1
nanao ms2932
untested but should match ms2930,ms2931

[cools]

I've checked, it is in the presets - m3129      Wei-Ya M3129

C3129 is just the chassis unless I'm mistaken.

[rock145]

I've checked, it is in the presets - m3129      Wei-Ya M3129

C3129 is just the chassis unless I'm mistaken.

Thanks according to my findings this is closest to mine.Can Somebody confirm this before I give it a go.

[rock145]

The presets of MS-2931 works with Rodotron 666b. However, there is still the issue with 40 vertical games cropped in the center. It's better than before in that every time I switch from one game resolution its faster and perfectly size.  Flying tiger now is full screen gonna check some other vertical flyers to see. It's definitely an improvement from before.

[rock145]

After going through the vertical games I only found that 3 or 4 games out of the 40 post above that were not cropped . For now I am gonna leave it in Generic_15 because all vertical games are full screen with that option.

[Calamity]

Hi rock145,

First of all, thanks for posting pictures and logs, I wish all people asking for help did the same as you, it makes things much easier.

You have two issues going on there. First problem is you don't have 24 kHz resolutions available. This is because you didnt set VMMaker to do so. Probably using the MS-2931 preset in VMMaker will help. Basically you need to have one 1234x384 resolution. Once you have this, vertical games that use 384x224-rotated will fill the screen, because the 24 kHz range will be used instead of the 31 kHz range as it is now.

Second problem, it's actually a problem about the arcade_15_25_31 preset that I recommended. This is because of the way the default 31 kHz is defined, it doesn't stretch the resolutions below 448p as it should, that's why you're seeing those games so small.

The way this is defined in MS2930 fixes the problem, as you noticed:

crt_range0  15450.00-16050.00,50.00-65.00,3.190,4.750,6.450,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,192,288,448,576
crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,320,384,0,0
crt_range2  31000.00-32000.00,50.00-65.00,0.330,3.580,1.750,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,480,512,0,0

However, try running VMMaker with the MS2930 preset, and then try GroovyMAME again with the same preset too.

[rock145]

Hi rock145,

First of all, thanks for posting pictures and logs, I wish all people asking for help did the same as you, it makes things much easier.

You have two issues going on there. First problem is you don't have 24 kHz resolutions available. This is because you didnt set VMMaker to do so. Probably using the MS-2931 preset in VMMaker will help. Basically you need to have one 1234x384 resolution. Once you have this, vertical games that use 384x224-rotated will fill the screen, because the 24 kHz range will be used instead of the 31 kHz range as it is now.

Second problem, it's actually a problem about the arcade_15_25_31 preset that I recommended. This is because of the way the default 31 kHz is defined, it doesn't stretch the resolutions below 448p as it should, that's why you're seeing those games so small.

The way this is defined in MS2930 fixes the problem, as you noticed:

crt_range0  15450.00-16050.00,50.00-65.00,3.190,4.750,6.450,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,192,288,448,576
crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,320,384,0,0
crt_range2  31000.00-32000.00,50.00-65.00,0.330,3.580,1.750,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,480,512,0,0

However, try running VMMaker with the MS2930 preset, and then try GroovyMAME again with the same preset too.

Thanks Calamity I really appreciate your help. After finishing checking all vertical games only 15 games don't go full screen and are
cropped in the center of the screen. Here are some loges of the games. However, when I ran vmmaker it gave this error:
vmmaker.ini error in line 74 cr-range0, vmmaker.ini error in line 75 cr-range1, vmmaker.ini error in line 76 cr-range2 .

I went to the vmmaker.ini them I Input your code and left fhe monitor as custom. I went to ume.ini and put arcade_15_25_31.

[rock145]

Here are some more

[rock145]

The weirdest thing happened I used NANAO MS-2930/MS-2931 preset . I switch from 75 Ohm to 1k OHM impedance and the 15 games that did not full screen are now full screen. However, there are still some vertical games that come out cropped in the middle so I change it back to 75 Ohm.

[rock145]

Hi rock145,

First of all, thanks for posting pictures and logs, I wish all people asking for help did the same as you, it makes things much easier.

You have two issues going on there. First problem is you don't have 24 kHz resolutions available. This is because you didnt set VMMaker to do so. Probably using the MS-2931 preset in VMMaker will help. Basically you need to have one 1234x384 resolution. Once you have this, vertical games that use 384x224-rotated will fill the screen, because the 24 kHz range will be used instead of the 31 kHz range as it is now.

Second problem, it's actually a problem about the arcade_15_25_31 preset that I recommended. This is because of the way the default 31 kHz is defined, it doesn't stretch the resolutions below 448p as it should, that's why you're seeing those games so small.

The way this is defined in MS2930 fixes the problem, as you noticed:

crt_range0  15450.00-16050.00,50.00-65.00,3.190,4.750,6.450,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,192,288,448,576
crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,320,384,0,0
crt_range2  31000.00-32000.00,50.00-65.00,0.330,3.580,1.750,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,480,512,0,0

However, try running VMMaker with the MS2930 preset, and then try GroovyMAME again with the same preset too.

Thanks Calamity I really appreciate your help. After finishing checking all vertical games only 15 games don't go full screen and are
cropped in the center of the screen. Here are some loges of the games. However, when I ran vmmaker it gave this error:
vmmaker.ini error in line 74 cr-range0, vmmaker.ini error in line 75 cr-range1, vmmaker.ini error in line 76 cr-range2 .

I went to the vmmaker.ini them I Input your code and left fhe monitor as custom. I went to ume.ini and put arcade_15_25_31.

I did not know you also had to put the preset into ume.ini.The previous post about 15 games cropped in the middle
is wrong because I did not do it right. These are the right logs because I put the naneo ms-2931 preset in both vmmaker.ini
and ume.ini before I just had it in the vmmaker ini not in ume.ini. here is the list of games that came out cropped in the
middle done steps the right way:
1945k iii
aero fighters
aero fighters special
air gallet
ajax
armed formation
ashura blaster
ASO
asuka & asuka
batsugun
battle garegga
bells & whistles
bermuda triangle
blast off
chopper 1
legion
cyvern
dangerous seed
desert war
don don pachi
dogyuun
donpachi
dragon blaze
dragon saber
dragon spirit
esp ra.de
fever sos
fighter and attacker
fighting hawk
fire barrel
fire shark
flying shark
g-stream g2020
galmedes
gridseeker
gulf war 2
gun & frontier
gunbird 1
gunbird 2
gunlock
gyrodine
hal21
lethal thunder
lighing fighters
mahou daisakusen
master of weapon
metal hawk
mission craft
mx5000
nebulas ray
nostradamus
phelios
raiden fighters
raiden fighters 2
raiden fighters jet
ryujin
s.r.d mission
samurai aces
sengeki striker
shienryu
shippu mahou daisakusen
skull fang
slap fight
sonic boom
strikers 1945
strikers 1945 II
strikers 1945 III
the game paradise
tiger heli
truxton
truxton II
twin cobra
twin cobra II
twin eagle II
u.n. defense forces
ultra x weapons
v-five
varia metal
vasara
vasara II
vimana
viper phase 1
world wars
wyvern wings
xevious

Here is an attachment with the logs.

[Calamity]

You're still using the wrong settings in ume.ini, see your logs:

SwitchRes: Monitor: arcade_15_25_31 Orientation: vertical

BTW, the crt_range lines are ONLY for MAME/UME. VMMaker uses the old monitor_specs line.

However, you may leave VMMaker alone by now, because you have already created all the required resolutions. Now, in ume.ini, try the following:

monitor custom
crt_range0  15450.00-16050.00,50.00-65.00,3.190,4.750,6.450,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,192,288,448,576
crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,384,384,0,0
crt_range2  31000.00-32000.00,50.00-65.00,0.330,3.580,1.750,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,480,512,0,0

[rock145]

You're still using the wrong settings in ume.ini, see your logs:

SwitchRes: Monitor: arcade_15_25_31 Orientation: vertical

BTW, the crt_range lines are ONLY for MAME/UME. VMMaker uses the old monitor_specs line.

However, you may leave VMMaker alone by now, because you have already created all the required resolutions. Now, in ume.ini, try the following:

monitor custom
crt_range0  15450.00-16050.00,50.00-65.00,3.190,4.750,6.450,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,192,288,448,576
crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,384,384,0,0
crt_range2  31000.00-32000.00,50.00-65.00,0.330,3.580,1.750,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,480,512,0,0

Hi calamity thanks for your help. I Put in your latest code in the ume.ini. I got the same result as the previous
post. Maybe I doing something wrong. Ok so I only put the cr ranges into ume.ini and not touch the vmmaker ini. Do
I put ms-2930 in the vmmaker ini or leave it as custom or do I put it in ume.ini ms-2930? Here are my inis so you
take a look.

[Calamity]

Again

You need to use this option in ume.ini:

monitor custom

This is what you have:

monitor arcade_15_25_31

You need "monitor custom" for the crt_range lines to be processed.

[rock145]

I just finish checking all the vertical games and all of them are not cropped in the middle anymore. I could not have don't it without your help calamity you are the best . Looking at some of the games resolution is there a way to make some of the vertical games that go 640x480 go higher like 768x512p the games with those resolutions look amazing.

[rock145]

I added resolution 1234x384 and I don't why switchres does not pick it up in vertical  games?

[Calamity]

Please post a log of one of these:

384x224 switch res:400x448P: games that uses this resolution are
19xx
1941
Dyger
Eight Forces
GunNail
Mad Shark
Meta Fox
Rapid Hero
Thunder Dragon 2
Varth
Twin Hawk
Dimahoo

[rock145]

Here are the logs.
most vertical games have resolution 1234x480 including some in this list.

Air Duel
384x256--456x448P

Image Right
384x256--456x448P

Chopper I
392x224--400x448P

Galaxy Gunners
352x256--456x448P

Sky Alert
360x224--400x448p

Storm Blade
352x240--432x448P

Turbo Force
352x240--432x448p

Twin Eagle 2
336x240--432x448p

Ultra x Weapons
336x240--432x448p

World wars
400x224--400x448p

Bermuda Triangle
400x224--400x448p

Vasara 2
336x240--432x448p

when I ran vmmaker I put the ms2930 preset codes vmmaker.ini  then I put it in ume.ini . That's the only way I get to boot to 640x480@60
If I put the code you provided me with I boot up in interlace monitor custom . Then I erase ms2930 codes from ume.ini and put your code into ume.ini  Don't know if this will make it have different results. So the set up is basically ms2930 codes in vmmaker and your code in ume.ini monitor custom.

[Calamity]

Try opening the 25 kHz range a little bit so that more vertical games can be calculated through this range:

crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,336,400,0,0

when I ran vmmaker I put the ms2930 preset codes vmmaker.ini  then I put it in ume.ini . That's the only way I get to boot to 640x480@60
If I put the code you provided me with I boot up in interlace monitor custom . Don't know if this will make it have different results.

I really don't get what you mean. You shouldn't be touching VMMaker since a couple of posts. When I told you to leave VMMaker alone, above. The crt_range lines are ONLY for ume.ini.

[rock145]

Try opening the 25 kHz range a little bit so that more vertical games can be calculated through this range:

crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,336,400,0,0

when I ran vmmaker I put the ms2930 preset codes vmmaker.ini  then I put it in ume.ini . That's the only way I get to boot to 640x480@60
If I put the code you provided me with I boot up in interlace monitor custom . Don't know if this will make it have different results.

I really don't get what you mean. You shouldn't be touching VMMaker since a couple of posts. When I told you to leave VMMaker alone, above. The crt_range lines are ONLY for ume.ini.

Ok. So I put this code into the ume.ini and ran vmmaker.
crt_range0  15450.00-16050.00,50.00-65.00,3.190,4.750,6.450,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,192,288,448,576
crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,336,400,0,0
crt_range2  31000.00-32000.00,50.00-65.00,0.330,3.580,1.750,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,480,512,0,0

However, most vertical games were at 640x480 I don't know why but vmmaker is behaving like it does with this code
crt_range0  15450.00-16050.00,50.00-65.00,3.190,4.750,6.450,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,192,288,448,576
crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,384,384,0,0
crt_range2  31000.00-32000.00,50.00-65.00,0.330,3.580,1.750,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,480,512,0,0

[Calamity]

 

My codes are for ume.ini

You must not run vmmaker all the time. Once you had the resolutions created with the ms2930 preset, the other day, you don't have to touch it anymore.  Just play with the crt_ranges in ume.ini. You're not supposed to run vmmaker any time I pass you new crt_ranges. If, however, you run vmmaker, don't expect to have consistent results until you reboot.

[rock145]

My codes are for ume.ini

You must not run vmmaker all the time. Once you had the resolutions created with the ms2930 preset, the other day, you don't have to touch it anymore.  Just play with the crt_ranges in ume.ini. You're not supposed to run vmmaker any time I pass you new crt_ranges. If, however, you run vmmaker, don't expect to have consistent results until you reboot.

Thanks for clearing that out. I thought that every time I had new crt ranges I had to run vmmaker so the crt range would get process. Know I wont make that mistake again. However, when I ran the vmmaker when you gave me the latest rangest the 1234x384 resolution got erase. I will have to added again.

[rock145]

got back again 1234x384 and put your latest crt range into ume.ini. After that, I checked some of the vertical games and games are cropped  in the middle. But with the code on the bottom some games  are 1234x480.

crt_range0  15450.00-16050.00,50.00-65.00,3.190,4.750,6.450,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,192,288,448,576
crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,384,384,0,0
crt_range2  31000.00-32000.00,50.00-65.00,0.330,3.580,1.750,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,480,512,0,0

Is there a v-size function in groovyume? If I use v-size on the back of the monitor the games are full screen
but it messes up the other games and they look zoom and with big thick scanlines.

[rock145]

I would say that this range 123900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,336,400,0,0
is in the right track because more vertical are displaying
at their native resolution compare to before. There are only a few games that come out
cropped in the middle they are:
1945k
aero fighter
arm formation
ashura blaster
asuka & asuka
batsugun
battle garegga
legion
danerous seed
desert war
don don pachi
dogyuun
donpahci
esp Ra.De
fever sos
fighting hawk
fire barrel
fire shark
flying shark
g-stream
Galmedes
grid seeker
gulf war II
gun & frontier
gunbird
gunbird II
gunlock
Mahou Daisakusen
master of weapon
mission craft
nostradamus
raiden fighter1, 2, Jet
ryujin
samurai aces
sengeki striker
shienryu
shippu mahou daisakussen
skull fang
strikers 1945 I,II,III
truxton
twin cobra II
twin eagle
U.N. defense force
ultra x weapons
v five
vasara I,II
vimana
viper phase 1
Wyvern wings

[rock145]

Here are some logs of the previous post. When doing the logs I notice these error
everytime I did a log on the list.

switchres: error trying to fill monitor range with
15450.00-16050.00,55-65,3.19,4.75,6.75,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,288

switchres: error trying to fill monitor range with
31000.00-32000.00,55-65,0.33,3.58,1.75,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,576

[Calamity]

Here are some logs of the previous post. When doing the logs I notice these error
everytime I did a log on the list.

switchres: error trying to fill monitor range with
15450.00-16050.00,55-65,3.19,4.75,6.75,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,288

switchres: error trying to fill monitor range with
31000.00-32000.00,55-65,0.33,3.58,1.75,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,576

It seems like you have messed up the ume.ini setup.

Now, make sure NOT to run VMMaker any more, your current modelines are already perfect for the setup we are looking for.

Just edit ume.ini, and use the following lines:

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monitor custom
crt_range0  15450.00-16050.00,50.00-65.00,3.190,4.750,6.450,0.191,0.191,1.164,0,0,192,288,448,576
crt_range1  23900.00-24900.00,50.00-65.00,2.870,3.000,4.440,0.451,0.164,1.148,0,0,384,400,0,0
crt_range2  31000.00-32000.00,50.00-65.00,0.330,3.580,1.750,0.316,0.063,1.137,0,0,480,512,0,0
Notice how now I closed a the 25 kHz range a bit. Previously I opened it because you complained about it not being used by vertical games. But it turned out it was too open, because even 320 lines games were being calculated through it, resulting in thick borders. Now only games which are between 384 and 400 lines high will be at 25 kHz. Games below 288 lines will be at 15 kHz. Games in the middle > 288 and < 384 will be stretched out in the 31 kHz range, to fill the screen completely. In case it's not clear the logic I'm following for opening/closing the ranges please let me know so I can explain it better, it's the basic key to control GM's behaviour.

[rock145]

I would say that this is the most accurate preset because it is letting some ega vertical games run at native
resolution while using 1232x480 on games that were cropped in the middle. There are only two games that are
displaying at wrong resolution meaning interlace they are turbo force and aero fighters.