E3 2013

[Howard_Casto]

Ok I'm starting to take a look at the xbox conference results. 

All the stuff you'd expect really.  The price point for the Xbox One STARTS are 500 dollars.  I'm guessing that the PS4 will be equally expensive because, historically sony consoles always are, so yup, the Wii U will win this gen probably.  If there's that much of a difference in price, the cheapest console usually wins.  What's infuriating about that is that you just know 200 dollars worth of that price is the Kinect 2, which absolutely nobody wants. 

Killer Instinct is back.....as an Xbone exclusive.  The demo of it didn't look that great... looked like a bad sf4 clone....all of the classic charm was missing. 

New forza, new halo (eventually), sequels to tired franchises nobody cares about anymore, nothing too exciting. 

A new Star Wars battlefront, which IS notable will be coming out.  EA basically said they weren't going to focus on the Wii U, so that's one thing the Xbone has going for it. 


If anybody finds some cool info, post it here please. 

[wp34]

I'm a big Nintendo fan and get your price argument. But what about the WiiU will get the masses to buy it?  We've owned every Nintendo console except the Virtual Boy but have no plans to buy the WiiU. To be honest I'm disappointed in all three next gen consoles at this point.


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[Howard_Casto]

I didn't say it would be a runaway hit, I just said it would probably win.  The masses, as you put it, aren't into spending a lot on consoles.  Every console in the history of gaming priced over ~400 dollars (in today's money) has always been a flop.  Neo-Geo, Turbo Grafx, ect.....  The ps3 would have been a flop if they hadn't started a series of drastic price cuts.  Even with that it placed dead last.  If it were around 400 for the deluxe model then I would say they are ok, but 500 for the basic package, that's just insane.  Also the new white deluxe model that Nintendo is working on is rumored to have a version that doesn't come with a game for only 300 bucks, so that makes it a full 200 dollars cheaper than the competition.  So price alone.  Well that and the fact that you can buy Wii U games and you own them.. you know, little differences like that.     

The Wii U is the best console Nintendo has released in quite some time, I suggest you give it another look.  You look at the specs and features and on paper it seems ridiculous, until you actually try one.  The fact that you can ask for help on a game in real time, on the console, or check gamefaqs or all these other things make "hardcore" gaming that much more streamlined.  Of course that doesn't make any mention of the touch screen usage in game, which ranges from ok, to fantastic.  There aren't a ton of games atm, but they are coming.  Unlike the competition, there are certain titles you are guaranteed to get on a Nintendo console.... Metroid, Mario, Zelda, ect...  For me, that's more than enough to justify the purchase.

[SNAAKE]

cheapest console wins?

like how wii totally won this generation.........

[DarthMarino]

cheapest console wins?

like how wii totally won this generation.........

If you go by consoles sold:

Wii: 99.88 million
Playstation 3: 77.58 million
Xbox 360: 77.48 million

[ark_ader]

I didn't say it would be a runaway hit, I just said it would probably win.  The masses, as you put it, aren't into spending a lot on consoles.  Every console in the history of gaming priced over ~400 dollars (in today's money) has always been a flop.  Neo-Geo, Turbo Grafx, ect.....  The ps3 would have been a flop if they hadn't started a series of drastic price cuts.  Even with that it placed dead last.  If it were around 400 for the deluxe model then I would say they are ok, but 500 for the basic package, that's just insane.  Also the new white deluxe model that Nintendo is working on is rumored to have a version that doesn't come with a game for only 300 bucks, so that makes it a full 200 dollars cheaper than the competition.  So price alone.  Well that and the fact that you can buy Wii U games and you own them.. you know, little differences like that.     

The Wii U is the best console Nintendo has released in quite some time, I suggest you give it another look.  You look at the specs and features and on paper it seems ridiculous, until you actually try one.  The fact that you can ask for help on a game in real time, on the console, or check gamefaqs or all these other things make "hardcore" gaming that much more streamlined.  Of course that doesn't make any mention of the touch screen usage in game, which ranges from ok, to fantastic.  There aren't a ton of games atm, but they are coming.  Unlike the competition, there are certain titles you are guaranteed to get on a Nintendo console.... Metroid, Mario, Zelda, ect...  For me, that's more than enough to justify the purchase.

If you are a 10 year old or knocking 70+ and want to play with the grand kids.  Not for professional gamers or those with disposable incomes that can justify a purchase of not only one capable platform but both Sony and Microsoft offerings since Xbox or PSX.  Our spending power generates top notch games, considering how many 18/Rated R games have come out and the COD/BF3 adult markets.  I haven't seen many teens run to the wii for safety.  Getting into the thick of it is our nature and those consoles provide the means.

Something that the poor pew pew Wii cannot do with it's off the shelf processor and parts and bland aesthetics, nor its close cousins that have seen some poor press as of late.  Putting lipstick on a pig....

Nintendoh has its market, and its following.  Perfect for the above demographic and, as parents tell me, the choice they feel comfortable with little billy, sally, and gramps playing together.  Not sure if that includes geriatric adventures that result in back injuries and slipped discs.  Sit my parents (they are getting on) down in front of the Kinect and they can control the 360 dashboard experience.  It just works.  The PS3 and my tech illiterate brother after some prodding with a sharp stick -  (finally) "just works" and he is happy as Larry. 

Put them all in front of the wii and the unsteady hands throws the experience in the trash.  Try playing Wii Scrabble with the dithers.... 

The wii now sits next to the TV in the spare bedroom (for netflix) gathering dust. 

Times have moved on and Nintendoh is experiencing what Apple has had of late:



That is the reality of the wii. Not the mystical instrument Howard paints, but a device that suits a specific demographic that is moving on.  And really - that should be enough to bury its existence.  Mind you there are the handhelds that are keeping Nintendoh afloat, but we won't go there, this time around. But it echoes my point.

Yes they sold a few units, but that is why I can pick up an used  Wii for £30 with a few games and I have to fork out £90 for a 360 and £130 for a PS3 without a game.  Go figure.

[Necroticart]

If Sony puts the PS4 at the $400 to $450 range I can see them doing really well. That is of course if Sony has no major DRM schemes. Especially, given all the bad press MS has given themselves lately. Which surprisingly was not addressed in their press conference. As for the Wii U I was not that impressed It feels like a console from this gen. Which most developers seem to be skipping due to the outdated hardware. That is not to say that i'm not a fan of Nintendo first party titles but they need 3rd party support given how much it was missing last gen on the Wii and I feel the huge touch screen controller was a mistake given how kids drop everything.   

[Howard_Casto]

Ark's ridiculous non-sensical rant aside, I didn't post this to argue the merits of one console over the other, just to discuss the announcements and their impact on the industry. 

The ps4 was finally revealed... it looks like somebody took a hammer to a Xbone.  That being said, it retails for 400 dollars and there's no DRM, so it'll probably outsell the xbox so long as they don't screw something up.  They are in contention for winning this thing now with such a reasonable price point.  Then again it's Sony, they are really good at screwing things up.    Sony's looking really good though and understand the weight of that statement when it comes from me. 

Something that actually interests me and probably many of you is that Mirror's Edge is finally confirmed to get a sequel.  The was a highly underrated game and I'm excited to see the franchise get another shot. 

[Necroticart]

Wow i'm glad Sony went with the $399 price point it's very reasonable for what you get I was not to thrilled with the required Plus membership for online play even though i'm a plus member but getting a PS4 game (Drive Club) as part of the service was a nice touch by Sony. As for games i'm going to get Infamous Second Son, Killzone Shadow Fall and Destiny

[Howard_Casto]

Yeah, hell might freeze over and I might buy a Sony product.  We'll have to see though. 

[Dizzle]

I was surprised at the PS4's $399 price point ($100 cheaper the Xbox) and was even more surprised that Sony chose not to pull any of DRM shenanigans that Microsoft did.  I was almost positive they would do something similar.  I for one, have always leaned towards Microsoft, but it looks like I'll be skipping their console this time around.  I'm looking forward to the PS4 release though.

Not sure how all of this will play out in the future though.  Will publishers favor the Xbox over the PS4 because of the DRM, or will they favor the PS4 because they suspect it will have a larger install base?  It'll be interesting to watch.

[Howard_Casto]

It was a shock to me as well.  When you think giant company that's totally out of sync with what their fan base wants, you usually look straight as Sony.  I expected their DRM would have been far worse than Microsoft's.  It is extremely rare that I'm surprised by the industry in a positive sense anymore, so I'm all for a turn-around by their company.

In terms of publishers I don't think it really matters.  Nintendo with-standing 90% of your games these days get a dual released on both consoles.  Typically you release it on both to cover your bases unless the console turns out to be a colossal flop or something.  EA is definitely in bed with Microsoft which isn't surprising because they are one of the greediest companies out there.  I think that their huge investment in the Xbone is going to come back to bite them which is a good thing imho... maybe they'd scale down a bit and quit releasing the same damn sports games every single year. 

[wp34]

The Wii U is the best console Nintendo has released in quite some time, I suggest you give it another look.  You look at the specs and features and on paper it seems ridiculous, until you actually try one.  The fact that you can ask for help on a game in real time, on the console, or check gamefaqs or all these other things make "hardcore" gaming that much more streamlined.  Of course that doesn't make any mention of the touch screen usage in game, which ranges from ok, to fantastic.  There aren't a ton of games atm, but they are coming.  Unlike the competition, there are certain titles you are guaranteed to get on a Nintendo console.... Metroid, Mario, Zelda, ect...  For me, that's more than enough to justify the purchase.

I will revisit the Wii U after those titles start to come out---Zelda in particular.  I've always bought Nintendo consoles for those exclusives.  I've just not seen anything compelling enough about the Wii U yet to make me want to purchase it.  My kids are the same way--although if Animal Crossing comes out for the Wii U my daughter will have to have it.

[wp34]

Well that was quick.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-21539_7-57588657-10391702/super-mario-3d-world-mariokart-8-new-donkey-kong-country-coming-to-wii-u/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title

[Howard_Casto]

Well Nintendo's stuff is out now... no super surprises, but A 3d Mario that looks dangerously like SMB2 (one of the most underrated titles imho) is coming this year, so there's your big game to go along with pikmin 3. 

All the other stuff was expected, except that Retro's "super secret project" is another stupid donkey kong country game?  Wtf?  Let's face it, DKC wasn't that good when it was released on a Snes.  It was a poor man's Mario World.  The Wii version was good....that's about as high a praise as I can give it.  This new version looks exactly the same as the Wii version and the 3ds version.  Retro made the Metriod Prime series, their talents shouldn't be wasted on yet another platformer. 


Don't get me wrong, as per usual all the Nintendo games look fun and justify the purchase of the console, but no Metroid and yet another Zelda remake means that we are stuck decidedly in platformer-ville for the rest of the year at least. 

[wp34]

SMB2 was probably my favorite Wii game.  Mario 64 is my favorite game on any console.  To see attributes of the two combined is exciting.

I tend to agree with you on DK Country.  With the exception of the "battle mode" in Donkey Kong 64 I've not liked any incarnation of DK.  Poor man's Mario World is right.

Well Nintendo's stuff is out now... no super surprises, but A 3d Mario that looks dangerously like SMB2 (one of the most underrated titles imho) is coming this year, so there's your big game to go along with pikmin 3. 

All the other stuff was expected, except that Retro's "super secret project" is another stupid donkey kong country game?  Wtf?  Let's face it, DKC wasn't that good when it was released on a Snes.  It was a poor man's Mario World.  The Wii version was good....that's about as high a praise as I can give it.  This new version looks exactly the same as the Wii version and the 3ds version.  Retro made the Metriod Prime series, their talents shouldn't be wasted on yet another platformer. 


Don't get me wrong, as per usual all the Nintendo games look fun and justify the purchase of the console, but no Metroid and yet another Zelda remake means that we are stuck decidedly in platformer-ville for the rest of the year at least. 

[spoot]

   bhwahahaha

[dgame]

Awesome!

[Malenko]

Killer Instinct is back.....as an Xbone exclusive.  The demo of it didn't look that great... looked like a bad sf4 clone....all of the classic charm was missing.

MEH.
KI isnt back. Rare had nothing to do with this KI, so to me its just some fighting game using the KI license. Did you hear the fantastic news about it the game is totally free on launch day. Oh , but it only comes with Jago and you have to buy every other character you want separately. I'd rather drop a specified amount for the whole game.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/11/killer-instinct-reboot-is-free-to-play-only-one-%20character-is-free/

[g_block247]

http://nintendoeverything.com/124781/namco-bandai-announces-pac-man-museum-coming-to-wii-u-and-3ds/

Pac Man Battle Royale coming to home consoles and PC!!!!!

[Howard_Casto]

That is ---smurfin--- awesome news! Let's hope when they say "pc" they don't mean windows 8 marketplace and mean an actual pc release. 

Malenko:  It wouldn't matter if Rare did have something to do with the new KI.... most of the employees that made Rare great are long gone.  I wonder why seeing as how M$ has pretty much made the company it's ---smurfette--- since purchase, making them do mind-numbingly boring tasks like create the 360 avatars and such.   

I loved the Sony video, and keep in mind I HATE Sony.  It was like a big FU to Microsoft. 


Also there is a new RPG coming to the Wii U called "X" .... looks interesting and this is from a guy that hates rpgs.  Seems to have some Zelda-like elements mixed in.   

Man Mega Man fans must hate Capcom.  Mega Man is back.... as a special character for SSB.  As is the female Wii Fit Trainer, if that gives you any idea of how "exclusive" that club is.    Honestly though, I'm not sure how they pulled that off.  I was pretty sure Capcom couldn't lend any of it's characters out to fighters due to the Marvel vs Capcom license. 

[ark_ader]

Ark's ridiculous non-sensical rant aside, I didn't post this to argue the merits of one console over the other, just to discuss the announcements and their impact on the industry.

Howard, try telling that to the thousands of Wii users who enjoy the PG content that Nintendoh provides, but the other two consoles provide adult content which is more mainstream.

Sorry that you do not share the wii demise scenario, but try playing Wii Scrabble Howard, and you will see where I am coming from.  The control is plain ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  It would be the same if I played Scrabble with the Kinect or the PS3 Wand.  Some games do not always work on a given HCI device.  The problem is that everyone else knows this too and is feeding the sales of the Xbox 360 and the PS3 as they are finding the flaws of the Wii.

Non nonsensical rant?

 

[Howard_Casto]

Quit trolling man, we are trying to have a nice conversation here. 

[hypernova]

The PS4 "playroom" commercial looked downright ridiculous.  Good thing I understand it's for demonstration purposes, because I'm thinking most people are going to laugh their asses off at the acting and production of the thing and forget what the intention was.  And when the guy swiped across the pad to scroll the wheel, I thought "If only there was a way to do that without a touch pad..."

I'm seeing these systems, and like most of you, I have zero desire to get anything.  It's nice to see the N start developing their big games, but most are still another year away, if not longer, depending on delays and such.  The need to get one is further minimized since most big name multi-console games near the end of the year will be cross-gen (both gens-basically CoD and Battlefield 4).

Looking forward to the next Smash, but I won't be into it like I was years ago when I was into local tourneys and such, unless the online is really good and lag is minimized greatly.

[Malenko]

Malenko:  It wouldn't matter if Rare did have something to do with the new KI.... most of the employees that made Rare great are long gone.  I wonder why seeing as how M$ has pretty much made the company it's ---smurfette--- since purchase, making them do mind-numbingly boring tasks like create the 360 avatars and such.   

I should clarify, none of the people who worked on KI 1 or KI2 working on this abomination. I said rare meaning original devs, but what you said is what I meant. The fremium model kinda works on certain games, but releasing a fighting game with one playable character seems batty at best.

[SNAAKE]

cheapest console wins?

like how wii totally won this generation.........

If you go by consoles sold:

Wii: 99.88 million
Playstation 3: 77.58 million
Xbox 360: 77.48 million

doesn't mean they won the war. everyone and their mom bought a wii and played wii sports for like a week.

[Howard_Casto]

I hate to disagree with you SNAAKE, but yes, yes it does.  It doesn't matter if she played it for a week, she purchased one, which means Nintendo sold a console. 

You can prefer another console certainly but that doesn't change the sales figures.  Don't feel bad, I was similarly frustrated back in the day when the PSX outsold the N64, even though it was the "better" console.  And likewise when the PS2 outsold the Xbox even though it had a superior feature set and a ground-breaking online system.  What we like personally isn't always what the the majority likes.     

Malenko: 

Yeah I think we can all agree that the new KI is gonna be KI in name only and a free-to-play fighter has got to be the stupidest idea I've ever seen.  Then again Capcom and NRS have been inching towards that with their past couple releases, with DLC characters that cost waaay more than they should.  Remember guys, the only way to fight this sort of thing is to refuse to buy dlc items. 

[SNAAKE]

majority didn't like wii tho...

this is different story than psx butt-raping n64 with inferior hardware. ps1 won because it had a HUGE library of amazing games while n64 had nothing. ps2 also had LOT more/better games than the xbox.

wii sold so much because of the motion control gimmicks that attracted casual non-gamers/moms/grandpa/whoever  and they were able to sell it cheap because the hardware is last generation. but it didnt really have better games/hardware/service. I couldn't even play wii games because standard definition looked terrible on my giant plasma hdtv. AND the games lagged. 

I didn't care about the wii at all. guess my definitions of winning console war is different.

[Howard_Casto]

You don't buy a product you don't like, much less you don't sell 22 million more of a product that people don't like.  So no, the majority probably did like the wii, thus the purchase.  Unless you can find an impartial survey by a reputable source we have to assume this, because it is impossible to know why people bought a console or if they enjoyed it.. at least not outside of people you personally ask.

The psx had games that cost 20-30 dollars, the n64 had games that cost 70 dollars... that's why they won.  The psx certainly had some nice titles, it also had a ton of shovelware and a sub-par 3d processor.  The N64 had inferior textures due to smaller storage space and that hurt it a lot, but it had some of the best selling and most critically acclaimed games in video game history along with smoother, better 3d rendering.  This is subjective though, I guess you didn't understand why "better" was in quotes.   

Again, you seen to be pulling your opinions into the conversation and throwing them around as facts.

Yes my definition of who won the war is different from yours, it's who actually won via a quantifiable measurment as opposed to which console I preferred, which is just an opinion. 

Just a fyi... I played my Wii on a giant lcd... looked just great and no major lag that I'm aware of since I could play guitar hero on it....maybe you should switch to another tv. 

[edekoning]

Yes my definition of who won the war is different from yours, it's who actually won via a quantifiable measurment as opposed to which console I preferred, which is just an opinion. 

No all you are doing is taking one, somewhat arbitrary, statistic and slapping everybody else in the face with it.

[Rigby]

PS4 virtually has this one in the bag.  $399, and you can play used games on the device.  And you can loan games to friends.  And you can buy and sell used games all you want.  The XB1 restricts all this terribly.

The Wii U I have has gotten about as much play as I expect it to get, unless some great new games come out soon.  My kids play skylanders on it and I'll probably play the Wind Waker remake whenever it finally sees the light of day but I'm truly looking forward to the PS4.  The Division looks like an amazing game.

[Malenko]

Yes my definition of who won the war is different from yours, it's who actually won via a quantifiable measurement as opposed to which console I preferred, which is just an opinion. 

(fixed your spelling too)
I guess the number of consoles sold isn't the bench mark, its a combination of that and software sales. I would actually like to see the numbers for the US exclusively and not the world. Japanese tend to be very brand and country loyal. Please don't try to skew software numbers by including Wii sports as the best selling console title ever, it was a pack in with the system.


I determined who won the "console war" based on which one I played the most, considering I have all 3.So xbox360 won, Dreamcast a close second, and my SNES in a distant 3rd. I logged more hours on my Sega Saturn than my PS3, though I'm "The Last of Us" so I expect the numbers to change. Truth be told I dont really care who won what , I care which system is going to have games I want to play. Other than House of the Dead, some smash brothers, and xeno blade chronicles.......I didnt play the Wii much at all. Fiancee wanted it for Wii fit, but that didnt last. Sorry for the Xuicebox-length reply :/

[wp34]

Yes my definition of who won the war is different from yours, it's who actually won via a quantifiable measurement as opposed to which console I preferred, which is just an opinion. 

(fixed your spelling too)
I guess the number of consoles sold isn't the bench mark, its a combination of that and software sales. I would actually like to see the numbers for the US exclusively and not the world. Japanese tend to be very brand and country loyal. Please don't try to skew software numbers by including Wii sports as the best selling console title ever, it was a pack in with the system.


I determined who won the "console war" based on which one I played the most, considering I have all 3.So xbox360 won, Dreamcast a close second, and my SNES in a distant 3rd. I logged more hours on my Sega Saturn than my PS3, though I'm "The Last of Us" so I expect the numbers to change. Truth be told I dont really care who won what , I care which system is going to have games I want to play. Other than House of the Dead, some smash brothers, and xeno blade chronicles.......I didnt play the Wii much at all. Fiancee wanted it for Wii fit, but that didnt last. Sorry for the Xuicebox-length reply :/

Based on that logic I can say the Atari 800 won the "computer war" over Commodore 64 back in the day.  I and a lot of my friends had Atari's 800 or variants.  The rest of the world bought Commodore.    I agree with you that this discussion should include some statistic that involves game sales.  I suspect there are more people now actively purchasing PS3 and XBOX games than Wii even though the Wii has sold more overall consoles.

[knave]

Can't we all just get along...?

LOL, we are all going to have our own take. I own all three systems too and the Wii gets the most play.

The Wii outsold x360 and PS3 because it had a lower price point AND because it was able to capitalize on its new control scheme, casual gamers and Nintendo's exclusives.

While I think the stats are interesting, it's not a clear indication of a "winner" I will say its a good start though. X360 is the winner from the online standpoint. I hate the xbox live model yet I have to accept that Microsoft is doing something right to convince all these gamers to throw them cash just to play online.

The PS3 has done really well too considering those numbers...it caught up to the 360 despite a year lead. A lot of my friends who only want to have one system prefer it. I like it because I can use Netflix with no extra fees. I've played a total of two bluerays on it  too.

[Rigby]

ugh, the term "war" here really rustles my jimmies.  we throw that word around too much, imho.

No single statistic will determine who won, because there is never an overall winner.  There might be a winner within a particular circle of friends, or country or whatever, but overall the sales are going to be homogenous enough that no clear "winner" will ever be agreed upon by everyone.

For example, I owned an N64 and have never owned a PS1.  In my circle of friends, the PS1 was a flippin' joke; none of us kept any we had because the load times were so awful.  In my world, the N64 was the clear winner, and anyone that claimed differently was bogarting whatever they were smoking.  Most folks agree that the PS1 was the "winner" but I definitely did not see the PS1 as anything other than a child's plaything when it was in production.

I'm all for speculating, but we need to understand that we each have a different point of view, which necessarily determines our opinions on things. 

[wp34]

ugh, the term "war" here really rustles my jimmies.  we throw that word around too much, imho.

No single statistic will determine who won, because there is never an overall winner.  There might be a winner within a particular circle of friends, or country or whatever, but overall the sales are going to be homogenous enough that no clear "winner" will ever be agreed upon by everyone.

For example, I owned an N64 and have never owned a PS1.  In my circle of friends, the PS1 was a flippin' joke; none of us kept any we had because the load times were so awful.  In my world, the N64 was the clear winner, and anyone that claimed differently was bogarting whatever they were smoking.  Most folks agree that the PS1 was the "winner" but I definitely did not see the PS1 as anything other than a child's plaything when it was in production.

I'm all for speculating, but we need to understand that we each have a different point of view, which necessarily determines our opinions on things.

I agree.  I'm a huge N64 fan and did not like the PS1 but wouldn't think of trying to convince anyone that the N64 "beat" the PS1.  Even though it was clearly the superior system. 

[Rigby]

I'm a huge N64 fan and did not like the PS1 but wouldn't think of trying to convince anyone that the N64 "beat" the PS1.  Even though it was clearly the superior system. 

Clearly the superior system.  N64 BFFs unite!

[knave]

No way man, in my circle of friends the PS1 was the winner...um...er well until we had to start to flip them upside-down to run (in all honesty it was only one console that had this problem but it definitely stuck in my mind. We dealt with the load times because the graphics were better and the huge amount of storage the CD offered at the time. Metal Gear Solid Blew my mind, Castlevania Symphony of the night too. Resident Evil, street fighter, syphon filter, need for speed. all better.

Not many people had the N64, and even then we just played Mario cart.

I actually had to go to my friends houses to play Playstation, Which I did...A lot. All I had at home was a genesis. I picked up my PS1 years later secondhand. Still have and play it.

I had a N64 for a while too (also years later)...I just didn't grow attached to it...even though Mario cart is fun.

[Vigo]

The way I always viewed it was that the N64 was much better for those with friends or siblings to play with. PSX was the loner machine. Both the PSX and the N64 had massive benefits and pitfalls that were the opposite of each other, making each great in completely different ways.

PSX sucked donkey balls on load times and anything multiplayer. Not to mention the controller on the early models was completely lacking. N64 had perfect load times, the controllers were great in the day and native 4 players made it the ultimate party console.

If you are looking for an in depth single player experience, the PSX was awesome and the N64 sucked. The N64 couldn't hold the levels of data on its carts to house games like Metal Gear, FF7-9, Resident Evils. PSX also had a lot more going for it with the mere fact that its games had many varying perspectives, rendering styles and plenty of 2D games as well. A lot of that had to do with the mere fact that a CD was cheaper media, and the PSX had hardware restrictions that forced developers to get more creative. When you compere libraries, the PSX had a much more diverse series of games. Not much of it attained the "legendary game" status of some of those N64 games though (Zelda, Goldeneye, Mario Kart, etc.)

[edekoning]

What no love for the Sega Saturn? I really loved that console, except for the price (€500 back in 1995), and the fact almost no shops sold games for it.

But back ontopic: I really hate what I am seeing/reading about the Xbox One. Al this nonsense about having to be online, restrictions on resell, renting, borrowing from friends The most exiting news from Microsoft for me has been the redesigned 360, which isn't really exiting at all ... Haven't really followed the PS4 news close enough, so can't comment on that.