Xbox 360 adapter

[jackiabu]

HI

I plan to build a machine Xbox 360.

I have all ready  X-ARCADE I wanted to know if I should buy the adapter http://www.xgaming.com/store/x-arcade-adapters/product/x-arcade-xbox-360-adapter/

Or is it better for me to buy an adapter from ULITMARC?

Thanks jacki.a

[ark_ader]

I have one and it works perfectly, but you cannot boot with it plugged in you have to plug it in after boot.

The only alternative I see for a cab is this one:

[jackiabu]

thanks men but  I do not think it would suit me except that I have two players.

Any other idea?

[johnm]

What about using a hori fightstick ?

[amendonz]

Get some ps360+ PCBs and some joysticks/buttons, some wood to put them in and a tv to plug the Xbox into, voila done. 

[jackiabu]

Get some ps360+ PCBs and some joysticks/buttons, some wood to put them in and a tv to plug the Xbox into, voila done. 

I did not understand you I need an adapter of Xbox 360 

[jackiabu]

What about using a hori fightstick ?

I need 2 player stick not 1 player.

[johnm]

Yeah as i assume you're building a cab you would be ripping the guts out for a custom CP, buying 2 2nd hand Horis would possibly be cheaper than converters and you get to keep your x-arcade (or sell it). I say that as i got my 2 horis from ebay for around £20 each delivered.

[jmike]

Wow I didn't know X-Arcade had the adapter for the 360 available. Looks good. I got tired of waiting for the adapter so I got rid of my 2 player x-arcade stick.
Currently building a 2-player xbox 360 bartop but I'm using 2 PS360+ that amendonz recommended.


 

[sharpfork]

A 360 bartop sounds like a cool project!  What kind of games are you looking to play on it?

[jackiabu]

A 360 bartop sounds like a cool project!  What kind of games are you looking to play on it?

I do not plan to build BARTOP I hate this style.

I intend to build UPRIGHT Arcade. Two players.

Most games I made to this project is 1TB Arcade (XBLA). And indie game.

Also Mortal Combat 9,8 of course. and the tekken series.

[jmike]

Mortal Kombat would be great as well as Tekken.

I'm mostly putting fighting games on mine.
Good luck with your project.


 

[jackiabu]

I received the shipment I ordered from http://www.xgaming.com/store/x-arcade-adapters/product/x-arcade-xbox-360-adapter/

Well, the connection is really simple, but I'm a little lost.

I can not find what it is and what it's Y X B etc. My question is whether it is possible to configure the X-ARCADE Xbox with an adapter I purchased.

Thanks

pics of my xbox with the adpater:

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6792/19818219.jpg

http://imageshack.us/f/191/65813835.jpg/

[ark_ader]

Wow you got two adapters eh?

I bet that cost a pretty penny with both the 5-1 and Xbox 360 converters.  But $59 is a pretty good deal.

You might have one tiny problem.  I cannot start up the Xbox 360 while the X arcade is plugged in.  My xbox 360 refuses to boot (it says in the documentation it should boot), so I have to do the old cable switcheroo.

I don't think it is a major problem if you are a casual user, but if you are going to have them in an arcade cabinet, it might be. 

I know this was not always the case so there might have been an update somewhere that prevented 3rd party adapters from authenticating.

I know I have this same problem with the PS3 and the 5-1 with some games. 

I also just recently bought the Cronus adapter which boots with a Xbox 360 controller with no issues.  So I think the proof is in the pudding i.e 3rd acceptable party controllers.

OK look at this:



This is the layout of the two Xbox 360 adapters via the 5-1.  You should be able to determine which button does what.

As a bonus you could also install a PC into your arcade cab as the USB is compatible.

So how are you going to boot your xbox 360 without unplugging and plugging the USB?

Simples.

I have one of these:



Mine looks exactly like this but mine have 4 outputs on each side of the box and it looks like an octopus.    You will have to buy A>B cables but I get mine on Ebay for cheap.

I use it to switch all my USB devices between 4 game units.  If the USB is not selected (this is an electronic switcher) the device is not recognised on the device.  So you can have both PC, Xbox 360 connected in your cab and just select what device you want it to work with.  Yes it is a pain in the bum, but you have just bought a device that has a dual purpose.  Well at least you can play Mame and console emulators on the PC in your cab.  But that is not all.  Since you are using the 5-1 and the Xbox 360 adapter the dreaded 6 key limitation is gone on the PC. 

Associated whiners and lamers  (you know who you are) rejoice. 

One day I too will follow your lead and put all my Xarcade stuff into a dedicated arcade cabinet.  I think you are on the right track, and if you follow my advice (don't buy the manual switchbox!!!) you will have a pretty cool cab.  Just make sure you make a proper control panel with your X arcade innards. 

Let us know how you get on. 

[jackiabu]

First of all, thanks for all the detail of your response.

Now for my Xbox. I have no problem booting. With the with both the 5-1 and Xbox 360 converters. plugged in.
Maybe it's because my Xbox is RGH?

The only problem I have left, that's how I configure the buttons of the X-ARCADE what I want?

[ark_ader]

HI,


Glad your Xbox 360 boots. 

You cannot map controls like you can on the PC.  So if I want to remap my PS2 or DC on the X arcade I have to do this in game or via the game's configuration mode.

You might want to email Xgaming tech support and see if they have a utility for the Xbox 360 which shows button a button test.  I guess you could emulate this in Windows joystick configuration.

Other than that I am afraid you will have to reverse the paradigm.

There are very few games I play on the Xbox 360 with the X arcade.  Most of the games are Xbox Live like Pacman Championship.  I have one stick 4 way and it plays so much better.

Like I said in my previous post, I do have the Cronus which I can map whatever button I want on the PS3 or Xbox 360, but I haven't tried it with Xbox Live games.  The Cronus lets me play FPS with keyboard and mouse on the PS3 , Xbox 360, Wii and PC.  I think it would be a bit expensive and clumsy to do what you want to do.   But there is that option if money is no object.

I just tried it and it doesn't recognize the X arcade only the USB keyboard and mouse.  Which is contrary to what the Cronus developers have said....

But if I keep the Cronus attached to the X Arcade (as shown in the image) the Xbox boots up without problems. 

That's technology for you. 

Now you will see why I need a cabinet to put all this cable hell into.


Nope you are stuck with pre-configured buttons for now. 

[jackiabu]

So you mean I have to configure buttons for game separately?

Many years ago I built my first arcade machine, at the time I purchased the X-ARCADE.


So I was connected to my PC only. I remember configure the buttons it using the back button.

Maybe I will try to play with it.

Anyway, I sent them an email.

[jackiabu]

Well after many tests I did with the new adapter.

I was slightly disappointed, for the simple reason that Potentiometers does not exist in my X-ARCADE.

RS-BUTTON 10 and LS-BUTTON 9. It is true that these buttons are not needed in games I have installed, as MORTAL KOMBAT, STREET FIGHTER etc..

But other games or planned play as: choplifter hd, after burner climax, and many other games. You can not just play with them for the reason I mentioned above.

The thing is, is there any point I will build arcade machine only fighting games?

Has anyone here seen joystick Xbox with Potentiometers?

By the way I was looking for all kinds of joystick in  Web sites. They have no Potentiometers which is a shame ...

[ark_ader]

No I have not seen any pad with pots.  All are either on or off.

I can see your passion for the higher game console, graphics wise if only for arcade type games, but you need to expand your horizons.

Thus my suggestion to have more than one console and a dedicated PC in your cabinet.

I have been looking on the net for cooling facilities for the xbox 360, especially if the console is going into a closed environment.  Most are decasing the Xbox and sticking large fans on the main board.  Nothing worse than creating a RROD problem.

I personally do not see why you have to remap the buttons for the console, but if you do create a new CP at least you can move the buttons around.  Personally I leave them where they are as I can then play asteroids   or star castle with some authenticity.

Yeah the shoulder buttons are pretty much useless unless the game is a shooter like Battlefield3.

I still think you have a cracking setup, and with some research on this site, you will create a cabinet that will be quite popular. 

[jackiabu]

A few years ago I built arcade machines. With P.C. Work with MAME




Look at my signature, and go to my blog.

Ventilation for Xbox is really a bit of a problem. But I have not reached that stage. Maybe I'll open it and leave it that way!

My configuration of the buttons is different! For example a player No. 1 player different No. 2 ... do not know why this is so.
That's why I think change them both were the same.

[northerngames]

Wow you got two adapters eh?

I bet that cost a pretty penny with both the 5-1 and Xbox 360 converters.  But $59 is a pretty good deal.

You might have one tiny problem.  I cannot start up the Xbox 360 while the X arcade is plugged in.  My xbox 360 refuses to boot (it says in the documentation it should boot), so I have to do the old cable switcheroo.

I don't think it is a major problem if you are a casual user, but if you are going to have them in an arcade cabinet, it might be. 

I know this was not always the case so there might have been an update somewhere that prevented 3rd party adapters from authenticating.

I know I have this same problem with the PS3 and the 5-1 with some games. 

I also just recently bought the Cronus adapter which boots with a Xbox 360 controller with no issues.  So I think the proof is in the pudding i.e 3rd acceptable party controllers.

OK look at this:



This is the layout of the two Xbox 360 adapters via the 5-1.  You should be able to determine which button does what.

As a bonus you could also install a PC into your arcade cab as the USB is compatible.

So how are you going to boot your xbox 360 without unplugging and plugging the USB?

Simples.

I have one of these:



Mine looks exactly like this but mine have 4 outputs on each side of the box and it looks like an octopus.    You will have to buy A>B cables but I get mine on Ebay for cheap.

I use it to switch all my USB devices between 4 game units.  If the USB is not selected (this is an electronic switcher) the device is not recognised on the device.  So you can have both PC, Xbox 360 connected in your cab and just select what device you want it to work with.  Yes it is a pain in the bum, but you have just bought a device that has a dual purpose.  Well at least you can play Mame and console emulators on the PC in your cab.  But that is not all.  Since you are using the 5-1 and the Xbox 360 adapter the dreaded 6 key limitation is gone on the PC. 

Associated whiners and lamers  (you know who you are) rejoice. 

One day I too will follow your lead and put all my Xarcade stuff into a dedicated arcade cabinet.  I think you are on the right track, and if you follow my advice (don't buy the manual switchbox!!!) you will have a pretty cool cab.  Just make sure you make a proper control panel with your X arcade innards. 

Let us know how you get on. 

holy adapters batman.

after seeing that I will never own one now.

[ark_ader]

It gets worse when you have a 4 way serial switch box, remote infra red power adapters (to power on and off consoles), 5 way AV Switchbox, and a composite to VGA adapter, plus console extension cables all feeding to a cable hell you would not believe.  I won't go into the Cronus side of things...

But it works if you remember which button to press, which dial to select, which button on the infra red remote to power on, then you have a kick ass multi-console arcade cabinet.  Or a smouldering mess if you ---fudgesicle--- it up.    

Next time I do this folly again, it will be in a proper cabinet, and I will put the consoles in the marquee, which saves my poor old back, bending down to insert a disc.

[tommyinajar]

I'm not sure, but wouldn't it have been easier and cheaper just to hack the xbox 360  controllers them selves? Then you could use your control panel for other games (can have a PS3 hooked up too) or emulators and a PC for an older console or Mame.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,64050.0.html

(& HaRuMaN -He does the hack for you if so inclined)

[Howard_Casto]

At this point you can get some of the less popular madcatz sticks for around 20 dollars (I believe they made a WWE one, which NOBODY bought).  You buy two, stick em in a custom box and you are done.  I seriously don't understand how x-arcade is still in business considering how questionable their products are. 

[HaRuMaN]

Yeah, and no having to unplug my hacks to boot, or anything weird like that.   

[northerngames]

I had an interest in the x-arcade but after seeing that all hope is lost and would rather just straight wire off the original hardware.

I had my arcade,pc,dc,gens,snes, etc. control pcb's in a project box and ran to a db25 switch box.

one end goes to console while the other end is a female socket db25 on the project box.

just click the db9 box to change video and click the db25 to change controls.

all them adapter's needed for a console looks expensive and silly to me as opposed to a spool of wire for $5.00 no lag or unpluggin either.

I know some dont know how to solder and make thier own cables and controls and what not but it is stuff like that that made me learn real quik

[tommyinajar]

If you want to save some money buy "broke" mad catz off of Ebay with analogs worn out or sticking missing buttons, they'll work fine. I got new ones right from Madcatz for less than $20 each (PS3 too!) a while back, watch for sales. GL

[Howard_Casto]

Well I get that the 360 is a special case... without a licensing agreement from m$ you can't make a third party 360 controller.  But even their keyboard encoder they use for the main units... it's so janky that they don't have shifted buttons... their official solution is to use ahk scripts.  Now considering one of the first things I did when I got my first avr was make a keyboard encoder program that allows shifted inputs, there just isn't any excuse for that kind of thing. 

Sorry to rant, but there's a reason I don't care for the x-arcade stuff..... I feel like they take advantage of entry-level hobbyists' ignorance.   

[jackiabu]

I agree with Howard. I do not understand how X-ARCADE company remained still in business.

It may be convenient for them to get stuck with their old products.

Although X-ARCADE I bought them many years ago ... back then I built my first machine.

But since x-arcade are not renewed almost nothing.

Either way I still do not understand how no company has built joystick the Xbox with all the buttons?

[northerngames]

HaRuMaN MFG. does 

[jackiabu]

HaRuMaN MFG. does 

What the hack is this?!?!

[HaRuMaN]

HaRuMaN MFG. does 

What the hack is this?!?!

Lol.  That would be me, heh.

[jackiabu]

HaRuMaN MFG. does 

What the hack is this?!?!

Lol.  That would be me, heh.

Ha ha    now i understand

[Howard_Casto]

You guys are all nuts.  Makes me feel at home.   

[tommyinajar]

I though being nuts was one of the requirements for registration at BYOAC.

If everyone added up the money and hours spent on this hobby (lifestyle??  ) me thinks there would be little argument.