The Death and Return of Superman - A Must Watch!

[fallacy]

Very funny… I remember this in high school and how everyone bought this thinking the death of Super Man would be worth money some day. No one realized the only reason comics were worth something up until that point was because they were not collected in 60’s, 70’s most of 80’s; making those comics rare. After this I realized new comics would never be worth anything ever again and have not bought a comic since.

[shmokes]

After this I realized new comics would never be worth anything ever again and have not bought a comic since.

What . . . you only buy things that you plan to collect?

[CheffoJeffo]

I dunno ... I bought a bunch of comics around the same time and ended up funding a fair number of mortgage payments with the proceeds. The important part is not buying what everybody else wants to buy or, especially, what the media is touting.

Having said that, I wouldn't do the same thing again.

[Mikezilla]

Even as a kid I remember thinking "there is no way DC is really going to kill one of their flagship characters". It was just a story arc, and they ressurected him not even a year later. The 90's were a great time for comics, but towards the end, they ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up all their main characters, and rebooted them, so it made the comics from the 90s on damn near worthless. It sucks because there were some good stories, and the art is awesome.

Take spiderman for example, they did that whole clone nonsense and made him go crazy, and they had to retcon the entire thing by spidey making a deal with the devil to esentially restart the whole series. That, and they wanted peter to be single again... Stupid Joe Quesada.

Then, they had Bane break Batmans back, and a new Batman come into town. That whole thing was a debacle in itself.

And of course, killing superman, ripping the adamantium out of wolverine, and having colossus defect to Magneto, the whole onslaught story arc etc...

They just just recently killed Captain America (steve rogers) off too. It sucks.

[Bootay]

Steve Rogers is actually alive again. I won't give away any spoilers but the way they got around him dying was....very lame. The recently resurrected Bucky took over for him as Captain America for the year he was "dead". (Bucky's resurrection was also dumb)

This year they killed off the Human Torch.

Super hero comics aren't very good these days story wise, aside from the Civil War story arc. That was pretty cool, but everything else has been stupid on both Marvel and DCs sides.

I hated the way they gave Wolverine a past now too. I mean it would have been alright if it weren't so dumb. Again...I won't give spoilers.

[Mikezilla]

Steve Rogers is actually alive again. I won't give away any spoilers but the way they got around him dying was....very lame. The recently resurrected Bucky took over for him as Captain America for the year he was "dead". (Bucky's resurrection was also dumb)

This year they killed off the Human Torch.

Super hero comics aren't very good these days story wise, aside from the Civil War story arc. That was pretty cool, but everything else has been stupid on both Marvel and DCs sides.

I hated the way they gave Wolverine a past now too. I mean it would have been alright if it weren't so dumb. Again...I won't give spoilers.

He is? can you explain with spoiler tags? I like to know this information, but I dont want to try to go through and actually read the comics. I care, just not that much lol.

They did? How did Human Torch die? I saw that Spiderman is part of the new FF which stand for freedom something...

Yeah, the last thing I read was Civil war, cause my buddies have it. Cap was rad in that one.

Whats the wolverine thing? Is it something to do with that Remus guy? I heard that was lame too. Give spoilers! I want to know! 

[Ginsu Victim]

I hated the way they gave Wolverine a past now too. I mean it would have been alright if it weren't so dumb. Again...I won't give spoilers.

I always liked him better when his past was a mystery. They would give us tidbits of information without really telling anything, but then they had to go and ---fudgesicle--- that up.

[Rando]

They did? How did Human Torch die? I saw that Spiderman is part of the new FF which stand for freedom something...

While I agree that a comic death is rarely permanent and that the importance of the death is usually just a marketing ploy to generate more readers, the story to get there can SOMETIMES be really good.  The Funeral for a Friend arc that followed Superman's death was really touching and gave characters and writers the chance to say goodbye to their hero, if only for a little while.

Feedback on the run by Jonathan Hickman which results in the death of the torch is supposed to be really really good, and is on my list of books to read in the near future.  But I'll be reading with the knowledge that he won't be dead forever and the death that would "Forever change the FF!" will actually only change it for a few months or so.

[Bootay]

Hope you're ready to hear the dumbest stories in comic book history. LOL

Captain America:
Captain America: Reborn #1 (Aug. 2009) reveals that Rogers did not die, and that the gun Sharon Carter had been hypnotized to use had actually caused Rogers to phase in and out of space and time, appearing at events in his lifetime and fighting battles. The Skull returns Rogers to the present, where he takes control of Rogers' mind and body. Rogers eventually regains control, and with help from his allies, defeats the Skull in the fourth and final issues of this miniseries.

Bucky's resurrection:
After Bucky's apparent death his frozen preserved body (minus an arm that got blown off in the explosion) was found and he was brought back to life by Russian scientists who attached a bionic arm to him and his mind was reprogrammed to hate Captain America. His new name was Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier was a Cap enemy for some time and then they revealed he was really Bucky. Eventually Cap turns Bucky good again. Bucky becomes the new Captain America after Steve Roger's death.

Human Torch (Who I just found out is apparently back to being alive):
In the "Three" storyline, concluding in Fantastic Four #587 (cover date March 2011, published January 26, 2011), the Human Torch appears to die fighting a horde of aliens from the otherdimensional Negative Zone. The series ended with the following issue, #588, and relaunched in March 2011 as simply FF. Spider-Man took the Torch's place on the team, as requested in the Torch's will. It is later revealed that the Human Torch was revived by a species of insect-like creatures that were implanted in his body by Annihilus in an attempt to force Storm to help open the Negative Zone portal.

Wolverine (This is a long one):
As shown in the 2001–2002 miniseries Origin, Wolverine was born as James Howlett in Alberta, Canada, in the early 1890s to rich farm owners. The character grows into manhood on a mining colony in Northern British Columbia, adopting the name "Logan." Logan leaves the colony and lives for a time in the wilderness among wolves, until returning to civilization, residing with the Blackfoot Indians. Following the death of his Blackfoot lover, Silver Fox, he is ushered into the Canadian military during World War I. Logan then spends some time in Madripoor, before settling in Japan, where he marries Itsu and has a son, Daken.

During World War II, Logan teams up with Captain America and continues a career as a soldier-of-fortune/adventurer. He then serves with the 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion during D-Day, and the CIA, before being recruited by Team X, a black ops unit.

As a member of Team X, Logan is given false memory implants. He continues on the team, until he is able to break free of the mental control and joins the Canadian Defense Ministry. Logan is subsequently kidnapped by the Weapon X program, where he remains captive and experimented on, until he escapes, as shown in Barry Windsor-Smith's "Weapon X" storyline which ran in Marvel Comics Presents. It is during his imprisonment by Weapon X that he has unbreakable adamantium forcibly fused onto his bones.

Logan is eventually discovered by James and Heather Hudson, who help him recover his humanity. Following his recovery, Logan, this time under the supervision of Department H, once again works as an intelligence operative for the Canadian government. Logan becomes Wolverine, one of Canada's first superheroes. In his first mission, he is dispatched to stop the destruction caused by a brawl between the Hulk and the Wendigo.

Later on, Professor Charles Xavier recruits Wolverine to a new team of X-Men. Disillusioned with his Canadian intelligence work and intrigued by Xavier's offer, Logan resigns from Department H. It was later revealed, however, that Professor X had wiped Logan's memories and forced him to join the X-Men after Wolverine was sent to assassinate Xavier.


So yea...most of those stories are really dumb. The Bucky one wasn't too bad but was kind of a rip off of what they did in Batman with Hush.

[Mikezilla]

Jesus christ. What the hell man?! I agree with what you and GV said, I liked how Wolverines past was a mystery and they only touched on it every now and then. I really liked how he and Cap were soldiers together in WW2. But all the rest of that stuff is ridiculous. A friend just texted me that they also state that Jeph Loeb (who wrote Hush in Batman, thought it was a great story) said that there is some dude named Romulus, and that he is some sort of feral king from some ancient race and said that wolverine and sabretooth are part of that race and he has manipulated him since he was born blah blah blah...

I hate how he isnt called Logan either, that its James Howlett. Thats retarded. 

Thanks Bootay for posting this! 

[Bootay]

I don't think the feral race thing was cannon. As far as I remember it was one of the "other dimension" stories that always confuse the people who aren't regularly reading or keeping up with things.

I don't know...comics aren't what they used to be. I stopped reading them regularly about 2 years after the Spider-Man clone saga. The art started to suck and the stories weren't very well thought out or written anymore. I will catch an occasional story arc here and there. I have a ton of comics. I want to start selling them though because they serve no purpose sitting in boxes in my basement. All of them are bagged and backed and mint.

[Mikezilla]

I don't think the feral race thing was cannon. As far as I remember it was one of the "other dimension" stories that always confuse the people who aren't regularly reading or keeping up with things.

I don't know...comics aren't what they used to be. I stopped reading them regularly about 2 years after the Spider-Man clone saga. The art started to suck and the stories weren't very well thought out or written anymore. I will catch an occasional story arc here and there. I have a ton of comics. I want to start selling them though because they serve no purpose sitting in boxes in my basement. All of them are bagged and backed and mint.

Ahh ok, thats good. I thought it was pretty ridiculous.

You got that right. There is a lot of computer generated art too, which Im not really a fan of. Yeah, I was about 12-13 when I stopped reading em, that was when they made spiderman go crazy, and I was fed up with that. I like keeping all mine in the garage, I love to read comics, my old ones anyway. I started getting a few in trade paper back form, and whenever I go to comic con, I always get a few. But yeah, I havent gone to a comic store in years, I wouuldnt even know where to find one... I just like to relive my childhood from time to time, thats why I keep em.

[Gray_Area]

Even as a kid I remember thinking "there is no way DC is really going to kill one of their flagship characters". 

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Actually, in '85 on Superfriends: The Legendary Super Powers Show (this was the last in the Saturday morning cartoon series that started with 'Superfriends' in '73), they killed Supe. Of course, they figured out that he was really just in hibernation from Kryptonite poisoning or something....but, still, I thought it was pretty heavy for 80s Sat toons.

[shmokes]

If you like comics I highly recommend reading The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay. It's about two guys who got into the comics business at the ground floor, just after Superman came out and when Stan Lee was first hustling and trying to start his own stuff. It's an amazing novel (it's fiction, but still has a lot of actual history in it). One of the best I've ever read. Other people liked it too. It won a Pulitzer.

[Ginsu Victim]

The best death was....

...and fans VOTED to kill him!

Of course, DC couldn't just leave him dead and brought him back in 2005. Idiots.

[Mikezilla]

The best death was....

...and fans VOTED to kill him!

Of course, DC couldn't just leave him dead and brought him back in 2005. Idiots.

Yeah, but did you hear how they "voted"? Some guy had one of those calling machines call the number and it only went by actual calls, they didnt leave a message or put a code in or something. I guess this little machine he had was responsible for about 60 percent of the calls voting to kill him. They couldnt change it because the comic was made, so they just let it go 

[Bootay]

It would have turned out the same anyway. Everyone hated Jason Todd. LOL

[Ginsu Victim]

It would have turned out the same anyway. Everyone hated Jason Todd. LOL

Exactly.