Peace - George Takei

[Hoopz]

Star Wars v. Star Trek

This is pretty funny especially the part about who the common enemy is.   

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397546,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121

Throw in some more BSG and LoTR arguments and it could have been epic.

[wp34]

Several years ago, observers felt the decades-long Star Trek-Star Wars feud had all but ended when Star Wars creator George Lucas engaged in an unexpected kamikaze attack on his own troops with the release of The Phantom Menace.

This needs to be moved to PnR.   

[ark_ader]

This needs to go to post hell.

[Blanka]

I don't know what the problem is. Both series are in a different league: ITS APPLES AND PEARS
Star Trek: Science Fiction like Battle Star Galactica and stuff for guys with ---Deutsche Frankfurters---
Star Wars: Fairytales, like Snow White, LOTR, Sound of Music, Labyrinth: stuff for chicks, oh and please put Chewbacca next to Elmo and Big Bird in Sesame Street.

[Dartful Dodger]

The only Sci-Fi fans that will leave Star Trek for Twilight are his fans.



Now this is P&R / Post Hell material.

[Howard_Casto]

I don't know what the problem is. Both series are in a different league: ITS APPLES AND PEARS
Star Trek: Science Fiction like Battle Star Galactica and stuff for guys with ---Deutsche Frankfurters---
Star Wars: Fairytales, like Snow White, LOTR, Sound of Music, Labyrinth: stuff for chicks, oh and please put Chewbacca next to Elmo and Big Bird in Sesame Street.

There is your problem right there.

Both Star Wars fans and Star Trek fans refuse to accept reality and deny any flaws in their beloved series.

Star Wars fans insist that their franchise is a science fiction franchise when it absolutley isn't.  They also refuse to accept the fact that Luke Skywalker is probably the most sissified hero in the history of heros and somehow have convinced themselves that random extra #4, aka Boba Fett, is badass.

Star Trek fans see action and adventure where none exists.  They also refuse to accept the fact that a world where poverty, illness and war have been eliminated will probably never happen. 


Now if you are asking which one is BETTER then we only need to look at the numbers. 

Star Wars:

Good Films:  3
Awful Films:  3
Franchise embarrasments:  The holdiday special, all the ewok films, all the cartoons ect...
Good Tv shows:  0
Awful Tv shows: 0
Promenant hot chicks:  2

Star Trek:

Good Films:  8
Awful Films:  3  (yes, that last reboot was terrible for no other reason than it was too much like star wars)
Franchise embarassments:  The latest film.
Good Tv Shows:  6
Awful Tv Shows: 0
Promenant hot chicks: 14


Yeah Star Wars fans don't really have a leg to stand on. 

That being said, twilight is awful.  I would gladly put on a bathrobe and play with a mag-light if it meant I could wipe that franchise off the face of the planet.

[saint]

(yes, that last reboot was terrible for no other reason than it was too much like star wars)
Franchise embarassments:  The latest film.

Heh. All credibility lost.

Star Wars was a Space Opera. Nothing wrong with that genre, it was entertaining. Wish they'd made more than 3 movies though.

[wp34]

Wish they'd made more than 3 movies though.

Ouch.

[Howard_Casto]

(yes, that last reboot was terrible for no other reason than it was too much like star wars)
Franchise embarassments:  The latest film.

Heh. All credibility lost.

Star Wars was a Space Opera. Nothing wrong with that genre, it was entertaining. Wish they'd made more than 3 movies though.

No all credibility isn't lost.  A Star Trek film can't be good if it's too much like Star Wars just like a Star Wars film can't be good if it's too much like Star Trek.  That wasn't a knock on the franchise at all.

There isn't anything wrong with Star Wars, it's just Star Trek is superior.  You are comparing a mere trilogy to 45 years of continuously good films and television.  I have no problems admitting that The first three Star Wars films are fantastic... but that's all there is.

It's kind of like comparing Dr. Who to Babylon 5.  Both are great franchises in their own right but one has been on continuously since 1963 and the other had 4 or 5 seasons and a made for tv movie or two.

[saint]

You misunderstand me, I loved both franchises. I was poking at you for dogging the Star Trek reboot. I thought it was really well done.

[HaRuMaN]

You misunderstand me, I loved both franchises. I was poking at you for dogging the Star Trek reboot. I thought it was really well done.

 

[wp34]

I'm a fan of both series.  With the possible exception of Star Trek II I don't think any of the Star Trek movies or episodes are even in the same league as Episodes 4 or 5 of Star Wars.  Not even close and I am a huge Star Trek fan.  Quantity does not necessarily equate with quality.

[shmokes]

The new Star Trek was very good. HC's criterion (it's automatically bad if one is too much like the other) is utterly arbitrary. The movie is either good or it isn't.

Dr. Who, on the other hand . . . I never saw the earlier stuff, but I tried to get into the new stuff. It has no redeeming qualities. The writing is awful. The acting is awful. The characters are bland. The effects are awful. The stories are uninteresting and illogical. The cinematography is awful. Even the hot chick is only mildly attractive. WTF? Why do people watch this? Don't get me wrong, this is coming from someone who watched the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of Xena Warrior Princess. I can appreciate good camp. Dr. Who isn't.

[Ginsu Victim]

Did anyone else see the topic title and think, "Oh no, Takei is dead!"?

[HaRuMaN]

Did anyone else see the topic title and think, "Oh no, Takei is dead!"?

Nah... he's quite active on FB, posts some pretty funny ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- there.

Anyone catch his cameo on Big Bang Theory? 

[Hoopz]

I thought his Twilight comment was hilarious. 

He also made me think of the scene in Clerks 2 when Randal gets into the argument with the LoTR customer.   

[AtomSmasher]

(yes, that last reboot was terrible for no other reason than it was too much like star wars)
Franchise embarassments:  The latest film.

Heh. All credibility lost.

Star Wars was a Space Opera. Nothing wrong with that genre, it was entertaining. Wish they'd made more than 3 movies though.

No all credibility isn't lost.  A Star Trek film can't be good if it's too much like Star Wars just like a Star Wars film can't be good if it's too much like Star Trek.  That wasn't a knock on the franchise at all.

There isn't anything wrong with Star Wars, it's just Star Trek is superior.  You are comparing a mere trilogy to 45 years of continuously good films and television.  I have no problems admitting that The first three Star Wars films are fantastic... but that's all there is.

It's kind of like comparing Dr. Who to Babylon 5.  Both are great franchises in their own right but one has been on continuously since 1963 and the other had 4 or 5 seasons and a made for tv movie or two.

Part of your problem is you are sticking solely to the video medium.  Star Wars easily has the best books and video games of any of the franchises mentioned.
Personally I like Star Wars and Star Trek equally, they both have their high points and low points.  However, Babylon 5 > Dr. Who.

[Dartful Dodger]

Did anyone else see the topic title and think, "Oh no, Takei is dead!"?

I didn't think "Oh no".

[wp34]

[Star Wars easily has the best books and video games of any of the franchises mentioned.

Big +1

[Vigo]

I'm a fan of both series.  With the possible exception of Star Trek II I don't think any of the Star Trek movies or episodes are even in the same league as Episodes 4 or 5 of Star Wars.  Not even close and I am a huge Star Trek fan.  Quantity does not necessarily equate with quality.

  I don't get why people even try to 'pick sides' when everything about the two is different other than they travel in outer space.

Oh, and relax guys, Twilight...It's only a trend. Wimmin-folk are fickle, you don't see 'Titanic' stuff being crammed in our faces daily anymore. It will be forgotten. If the series had attracted a guy or two, then it might be here to stay. That is why we will be seeing Harry Potter stuff for years to come.

[shmokes]

everything about the two is different other than they travel in outer space.

I think the most important similarity between the two, the primary reason that they are so often compared and pitted against one another, is that they both have two-word titles beginning with the word "Star".     I'm sort of serious.

By the way, I think that Howard is right about Star Wars being fantasy rather than Science Fiction, but not according to Orson Scott Card's succinct definition:

“Science Fiction has rivets, fantasy has trees.”

[Rando]

Star Wars:
Good Films:  3
Awful Films:  3
Franchise embarrasments:  The holdiday special, all the ewok films, all the cartoons ect...
Good Tv shows:  0
Awful Tv shows: 0
Promenant hot chicks:  2

Star Trek:
Good Films:  8
Awful Films:  3  (yes, that last reboot was terrible for no other reason than it was too much like star wars)
Franchise embarassments:  The latest film.
Good Tv Shows:  6
Awful Tv Shows: 0
Promenant hot chicks: 14

Wow, I thought I liked both, after all I had both the Millenium Falcon as well as the Enterprise transporter and bridge to play with when I was a kid.  But now after reading your post I realize that you think I hate Star Trek.  My “corrections” to your post:

Star Wars:
Great Films: 2 (With “Empire” being one of the best films ever)
Good Films:  1
Awful Films:  3
Franchise embarrassments:  The holiday special, all the ewok films, all the cartoons ect... (Holiday special is pretty awful, But I think there is actually more franchise awesomeness… Jedi was decent, as are the Clone Wars toons, Star Wars Galaxies MMORPG was awesome until it wasn’t, lots of other really really good arcade and console games, all the Star Wars toys and McDonalds promotions and stuff… Legos!!)
Good Tv shows:  Clone Wars
Awful Tv shows: 0
Prominent hot chicks:  2 (Is this an important stat for some people?)

Star Trek:
Great Films: 0
Good Films:  8 (8?  How many friggin Trek films were there?  There was the slow/boring first one my Mom liked, then where Spock died and the other one with the whales that I liked…)
Awful Films:  3  (I have no idea, way more Trek films than I ever imagined.  The new one was good though, really good.  Sorry you disliked)
Franchise embarrassments:  The latest film. (Disagree!  Did they ever have any good video games like SW?  No clue…)
Good Tv Shows:  6 (6?  How many friggin Trek shows where there?  There was the good first one, then the Next Generation one with that Professor X guy, and the one with the girl captain… and the one with that Quantum Leap guy… Wow, I actually know of 4…)
Awful Tv Shows: 0
Prominent hot chicks: 14 (Seriously, you counted up all the hot Trek chicks?  Uhura and the blonde nurse from the original were great, I know everyone really liked that Borg chick… But is this really important?)

I stand by liking both, but there is just way too much of both for the normal person to follow.  I like the Star Wars films, but could never hope to keep up with all the other books/comics/media.  I like the early and latest Trek stuff, but way too much in the middle apparently.  Star Wars had way better toys though, and are still popular with kids over 30 years later, so that should be a factor too, no?

George Takai rocks.  Find/play the Sulu song from Howard Stern.  Suuluuuu!!!

Oh, and Twilight sucks.  Seriously, they sparkle?

[knave]

Twilight...It's only a trend

Until they make, LEGO Twilight: They Sparkle.

...(Shudder)...

[shmokes]

Oh, and relax guys, Twilight...It's only a trend. Wimmin-folk are fickle, you don't see 'Titanic' stuff being crammed in our faces daily anymore. It will be forgotten. If the series had attracted a guy or two, then it might be here to stay. That is why we will be seeing Harry Potter stuff for years to come.

Another important distinction is that the Harry Potter books and some of the movies were pretty good. Twilight is retarded.

[Ginsu Victim]

Did anyone else see the topic title and think, "Oh no, Takei is dead!"?

I didn't think "Oh no".

"Oh my!"

[SavannahLion]

OK, Twilight sucks, period.

As for the Star Wars vs Star Trek thing. It's an old argument and one that really carries no merit. My only gripe are those Star Trek morons who go and learn Klingon and the wannabe Star Wars "Jedi Masters" who get their asses kicked by a guy with a broken leg.  You're an embarrassment to any franchise!

[Zakk]

I don't really get, and lets say that both were copies of each other more or less... why can't you just like both?

Star wars ep 4 and 5 were epic, life changing movies (if you were the right age at the time they came out).  Star Trek II was epic, but in a 'whoa this is way better than the tv series' kind of way.   

There always seemed a sort of stability in the universe after say 1990: ep 4 and 5 were good, ep 6 got full of tribbles ewoks.  With Star trek it was always 'first movie sucked, second movie was good, third movie sucked, fourth movie was good, fifth movie sucked, sixth movie was good, and so on. 

Now we have a reboot of both.  Star trek was good, in that they reinvented it in a batman begins sort of way, and doesn't try to change the original series, it's just completely new and different.  Star wars rebooted into an absolute shitfest where not only did the crazy old ---fudgesicle--- make terrible movies when he had all the money in the world, and the rights to do ANYTHING with the star wars universe, BUT he also went back and turned darth vader into one of the backstreet boys in the original movie. Crazy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- like that.  In fact, the more I think about it, the only thing george should be doing nowdays is using the awesome power of the death star ILM to make carrie fisher fit back into that bikini.  If he really wanted to make an improvement to the original series, this is all he should have done.

[danny_galaga]

Phew! When I saw the title of this thread, I thought he'd passed away.

[wizkid32]

(yes, that last reboot was terrible for no other reason than it was too much like star wars)
Franchise embarassments:  The latest film.

Heh. All credibility lost.

+1

(yes, that last reboot was terrible for no other reason than it was too much like star wars)

Please tell me that was a sick joke!