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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #200 on: November 25, 2011, 10:46:45 am »
Howard: It may have started out as a way to give Rick closure, but I am on issue 70 something and it still happens whenever someone dies. They always shoot the dead whether bitten or not. :dunno

I don't read the letters pages so I wasn't aware of the zombie thing. And they don't refer to them as zombies very often. And it was mostly in the beginning.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #201 on: November 25, 2011, 12:20:17 pm »
Now this is where it gets confusing...I think alot of us take on the "ideas" of different writers/stories/movies and we can get confused by taking it all in....

As for myself, I stand by the Romero idea... Zombies are created by biting a living person, /and or by transfer of saliva/blood pathogen, etc...(which the zombies or "Ghouls" were somewhat created by the radiation of a space probe) if you remember in NOTLD the zombies ate anything living...( the zombies tore the body and you see them eating the intestines etc...and then the one zombie who took the bug off the tree)... Now Russo ( who helped Romero with NOTLD) when he parted ways with George, he made the ROTLD series...It was him who made the idea of zombies wanting brains only...(stating eating the brains quells the pain that the dead feel)

Now in Max Brooks Survival Guide... Bodies of the Undead should last an average of 5 years, before rotting/drying up to dust...(depending on climate/weather)

Now in the Walking dead comics The dead followed the Romero rule... and my interpretation was that there is some type of airborne virus that becomes active when a person dies...  

What did the zombie in the bottom of the well eat, or the zombie that hung himself?  Zombies with most of the body missing, including their stomachs, still seem to survive just fine.

The first kept hydrated, that's more important than food :)

Nacho is correct....Hydration is the key... The zombie in the well was bloated by being in the water for a long period of time... (oh and the makeup was on point...When i was in Navy, we retrieved a body that was in the ocean for 2 weeks... and words cant comprehend how that body looked..) Look at the Bicycle Zombie...she was missing her lower torso...and she was still ticking...as long as the brain was operating, the zombie will continue...

The zombie hung in a tree...that could be several possibilities there... 1.) He was infected and hung himself before he turned... 2.) He could have been with a party and they took him out before he could attack... or zombies could have came and turned him) :dunno

But as for the series , I wanted to question why they have dead bodies... When Carl opened the truck door and took the tools out of the dead guy truck...I wanted that to be a zombie and attack...

I wonder if the 3rd series would bring in Michonne... just that entrance in the comics, blew me away... ( walking with 2 zombies with their jaws and arms missing)

What really crazy, is if they are trying to be realistic with the whole zombie apocalypse mess...Why havent we seen zombie animals?...Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, Lassie just eaten Timmy!!! :laugh2:
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #202 on: November 26, 2011, 02:46:00 am »
Good I didn't have to reply this time.  :D   What he said. 

The whole "zombies eat brains"  thing really makes me mad because it doesn't make any sense.  First off I guarantee you that most people have only seen one of the Russo films (the original ROTLD) if they have seen any of them and even if they have seen the rest they probably find them to be the crap that they are.  And yet somehow that first film (which was actually pretty darn good) managed to have such an impact that the majority of the culture think that zombies crave brains.  Here's the ridiculousness of that concept:  Humans have VERY weak jaws and very small teeth... I don't think a strong, healthy person could even bite through a human skull.  There are no scenes in his films with the zombies using tools to try to crack the old coconut either.  On top of that, the zombies in Russo's films are usually pretty beat up, even assuming a healthly living person could bite through a skull, one of his zombies couldn't.

I need to point out some inconsistances with garner's summary though.  It's true that the original 1968 NOTLD had some zombies eating bugs and other oddities, but Romero points out himself in later interviews that he essentially ret-conns  all of that out in his sequels and the official stance of his zombies is that they only bother to eat people and even then only if they haven't turned.  This is supported by the fact that in future "dead" films, there are dogs, alligators, ect and the dead don't seem to have any interest in them.  But in some of his films he flip-flops and they DO eat animals, so that rule is debatable.

I should also point out that we really don't know how long Romero Zombies last because his films only span the time of a few weeks and everyone is typically dead before the zombies could ever expire.  Day of the dead hints at the fact that they had been in the coal mine for months, but other than that, no expiration date.  Romero has stated in a few of his interviews that zombies will eventually wear out and fall apart so I'm saying that the Max Brooks time table is pretty accurate for Romero's zombies as well.  That being said remember that a zombie plague time-table isn't linear, as pointed out in Max's books.  It's around five years from the LAST GROUP TO BE TURNED and since people are constantly being born and being turned, it's a perpetual cycle.


About the zombie animals thing.  It's not uncommon for a virus/disease/ect to have different effects on different species.  Generally speaking the more specifically a virus effects a species, the less likely it is to have the same effects on other species.  Just as an example, AIDS has little or no effect on non-primate species, feline AIDS only effects cats, ect....  I would have to guess that something specific enough to re-active the human brain and cause it to re-animate a corpse is going to be primate only.  That being said, I demand zombie monkeys, chimps and Gorillas!!!!   ;D

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #203 on: November 26, 2011, 01:28:07 pm »
If RotLD taught us anything, it's this:

Tar-man rules.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #204 on: November 26, 2011, 01:36:30 pm »
That being said, I demand zombie monkeys, chimps and Gorillas!!!!   ;D

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #205 on: November 28, 2011, 01:44:40 am »
If RotLD taught us anything, it's this:

Tar-man rules.

Tar-man might possibly be the greatest thing to ever come out of the zombie genre.  They actually had him do a cameo in one of the more recent (and terribly crappy) ROTLD sequels.  Updated with modern effects he looked AWESOME!

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #206 on: November 28, 2011, 10:07:09 am »
If RotLD taught us anything, it's this:

Tar-man rules.

Tar-man might possibly be the greatest thing to ever come out of the zombie genre.  They actually had him do a cameo in one of the more recent (and terribly crappy) ROTLD sequels.  Updated with modern effects he looked AWESOME!

Yea, I think it was "ROTLD: Rave to the Grave", horrible movie. All of the ROTLD movies sucked after the first one though, but yet I keep watching them. Tar-Man is awesome though. They made a Tar-Man action figure...as soon as I saw it I wanted to buy it.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #207 on: November 28, 2011, 10:12:13 am »
Thanks Howard....I knew i was rambling toward the end...glad to see somebody keeping me straight... ;)

YES... Tar-Man was the best...  And for the record, I will only watch ROTLD 1-3...the rest were just crappy...(with #3 close behind it)... I plan on getting the action figure also...


Watched the mid season finale ( mid-season...really? :badmood:) and seeing Shane unravel and taking charge blew me away...I love how Rick and the rest saw the walkers coming out of the barn and slowly each one took up their guns and started blasting... Then seeing that damn girl Sophia as the last one , just topped the cake...  :applaud: Now im just pissed that i have to wait till Feb...



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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #208 on: November 28, 2011, 10:20:50 am »
All of the ROTLD movies sucked after the first one though, but yet I keep watching them.



Come on you have to admit... one of the best lines form ROTLD2... :laugh2:
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #209 on: November 28, 2011, 11:36:31 am »
garnerb350: Spoiler much? LOL Anyhow yes I liked it too. Totally wasn't how it went down in the comic. Sophia is still alive as of issue 91 in the comic. I kind of like that the 2 are different though, this way I don't automatically know what's going to happen.

I think that they are doing things different on purpose because they know that they won't be able to follow the comic. Especially when it comes to The Governor/Prison stuff. They might have The Governor character, and they might find and stay in a prison, but I highly doubt that any of the vile/fuked up things that happen during these storylines will make it to the show. If the show makes it that far. 

As for ROTLD 2? The movie is tolerable but I hate how they went 100% comedy with it. 3 was awful too...wasn't that the one where the girl zombie had to get body piercings to feel alive or some crap?

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #210 on: November 28, 2011, 04:14:12 pm »
Bootay, yeah as of last night, I like how it starting to span away from the comics...Now my theory for the governor is that I wouldnt be surprised if they make Merrell ( Daryl's brother) as the governor...(hes crazy, he missing a hand, and he hates Rick)

Yeah i hated that they made ROTLD 2 comedy-related...but over the years ive grown accustomed to it... Where else could you have a movie where you have Micheal Jackson Thriller zombie?? LOL



Got to love the cheese factor...

Yeah part 3 was the one where the girl has to experience pain to quell the hunger...

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #211 on: November 29, 2011, 03:03:25 am »
You know I was complaining about being able to predict the plot points of every damn show and I've got to admit, I didn't see that ending coming.  Now Shane going postal and doing something dumb... sure, we were overdue for that, but I assumed that the little girl was kidnapped or lost and the end of the cliffhanger would be them about to give up the search only to pan a reveal of the girl scared and alone. 

So good job on the writing thus far, they fooled me and that's pretty damn hard. 

That being said, if not for her death being integral to Rick asserting himself as leader, this would have been a meer "shock kill."  Randomly killing people to suprise the audience is not a good way to keep us guessing.


As for the whole Governor arc, I think/hope it's impossible for them to do. Having a full-fledged army and an eventual seige by said army would probably be beyond the show's budget and I sure don't want to see a lamer version like that "heard" from the beginning of the season.  Also I think the biggest mistake in the comic was to cut off Rick's arm.  He's now permenantly gimped and his action sequences will forever suffer from it. On the show this would DEFINATELY be a no-go just due to practical concerns (that's a tough prosthetic to pull off) and if you aren't going to cut off his hand, then there isn't a climax. Well unless you count the death of Rick's wife and baby, but honestly nobody liked them anyway.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #212 on: November 29, 2011, 11:26:33 am »

Also I think the biggest mistake in the comic was to cut off Rick's arm.


Comic book spoilers (prison-era):
Kirkman always regretted cutting off Rick's hand. There's no way they would ever do it on the show, if just for budgetary reasons alone.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #213 on: November 29, 2011, 11:57:27 am »
I doubt they would ever do cutting Rick's hand on the TV series...and I agree with Howard... the budget restraints alone, would be impossible to do the comic version of the governor... (im betting it would be a smaller type version)...But I know im not the only one thats thinking..."Oh hell, you know Merrell will return"...


He's now permenantly gimped and his action sequences will forever suffer from it.


Howard I see your point, but i only have one word for that...



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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #214 on: November 30, 2011, 02:47:53 am »
They actually did that in the Joke version of the comics where Rick awoke from yet another coma and now their are aliens (which caused the zombie plague) and cyborgs. 

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #215 on: November 30, 2011, 10:07:50 am »
They actually did that in the Joke version of the comics where Rick awoke from yet another coma and now their are aliens (which caused the zombie plague) and cyborgs. 

Yep...that was in the back of one of the later issues.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #216 on: December 02, 2011, 10:56:58 pm »
Stopped reading at page 4 of this thread because I'm behind an episode or two.  Never read the comic and won't.  This is the only TV show I've made a point to watch in the past several years except for a few glimpses of stuff here and there...
But...so far for me season two sucks.  It's just way too much character development and not enough zombie action.  It seems like season one was the test to see if it would make it, and then by surprise it was picked up and the writers scrambled to make some episodes to buy time while they got more zombie stuff happening.
I still like it but it's gonna lose me if there isn't more zombie action.  It's like the writers are milking it to make $$$ rather than just torturing the heck out of everyone until some escapes or everyone dies.  I don't think people got in to this series because of the drama so much as the intense feeling of stress and freakoutedness they felt in the first season.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #217 on: December 02, 2011, 10:59:06 pm »
The lack of zombie action is actually because of the $250,000 an episode budget cut that AMC gave Season 2.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #218 on: December 02, 2011, 11:10:57 pm »
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It's always budget.  And frequently bad budget choices that end up killing something before it's had a chance to solidify.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #219 on: December 02, 2011, 11:13:18 pm »
Definitely not a perfect show... but I am going to miss it until it comes back!  :'(
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #220 on: December 03, 2011, 02:30:49 am »
Stopped reading at page 4 of this thread because I'm behind an episode or two.  Never read the comic and won't.  This is the only TV show I've made a point to watch in the past several years except for a few glimpses of stuff here and there...
But...so far for me season two sucks.  It's just way too much character development and not enough zombie action.  It seems like season one was the test to see if it would make it, and then by surprise it was picked up and the writers scrambled to make some episodes to buy time while they got more zombie stuff happening.
I still like it but it's gonna lose me if there isn't more zombie action.  It's like the writers are milking it to make $$$ rather than just torturing the heck out of everyone until some escapes or everyone dies.  I don't think people got in to this series because of the drama so much as the intense feeling of stress and freakoutedness they felt in the first season.

Well you are missing out then.  Due to the lack of budget restraints the comic is infinately better than the series.  Of course their current situation is kind of lame, but pacing is slow in comics. 

I think if you read the comics you would understand better, but the Walking Dead is NOT about the zombies.  They are an afterthought 90% of the time in the comics.  They just throw some zombie carnage here and there to keep the whole thing from getting boring.  They build tension FOREVER and then just when you think "are we going to see any zombies?" the flood gates let loose and it's utter carnage for two or three books.

Myself (and I think many of the Walking Dead fans) feel the opposite to how you do.  The first season was fairly terrible.  The first couple of episodes were ripped almost directly from the comics, making them predictable to the fans and the last couple went so far into "cliche zombie movie" territory that it wasn't even funny.  Season 2 thus far has had much better pacing, more drama, and just enough zombie mayhem to keep things interesting.  Also the comic tie-in is getting MUCH looser.  It seems that they only visited the farm to pick up a few key characters that are in the books and the rest of the plot (mostly anyway) is totally different.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #221 on: December 03, 2011, 10:23:51 am »
Stopped reading at page 4 of this thread because I'm behind an episode or two.  Never read the comic and won't.  This is the only TV show I've made a point to watch in the past several years except for a few glimpses of stuff here and there...
But...so far for me season two sucks.  It's just way too much character development and not enough zombie action.  It seems like season one was the test to see if it would make it, and then by surprise it was picked up and the writers scrambled to make some episodes to buy time while they got more zombie stuff happening.
I still like it but it's gonna lose me if there isn't more zombie action.  It's like the writers are milking it to make $$$ rather than just torturing the heck out of everyone until some escapes or everyone dies.  I don't think people got in to this series because of the drama so much as the intense feeling of stress and freakoutedness they felt in the first season.

Well you are missing out then.  Due to the lack of budget restraints the comic is infinately better than the series.  Of course their current situation is kind of lame, but pacing is slow in comics. 

I think if you read the comics you would understand better, but the Walking Dead is NOT about the zombies.  They are an afterthought 90% of the time in the comics.  They just throw some zombie carnage here and there to keep the whole thing from getting boring.  They build tension FOREVER and then just when you think "are we going to see any zombies?" the flood gates let loose and it's utter carnage for two or three books.

Myself (and I think many of the Walking Dead fans) feel the opposite to how you do.  The first season was fairly terrible.  The first couple of episodes were ripped almost directly from the comics, making them predictable to the fans and the last couple went so far into "cliche zombie movie" territory that it wasn't even funny.  Season 2 thus far has had much better pacing, more drama, and just enough zombie mayhem to keep things interesting.  Also the comic tie-in is getting MUCH looser.  It seems that they only visited the farm to pick up a few key characters that are in the books and the rest of the plot (mostly anyway) is totally different.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #222 on: December 03, 2011, 03:19:03 pm »
I guess this thread isn't for me so I'll back out.  I'm not interested in debating the difference between written and film adaptation.  I'm watching the show because I liked the first few episodes.  Now I'm losing interest.  Reading a book isn't going to change that, so what's the point.  If anything it's going to piss me off even more.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #223 on: December 04, 2011, 12:59:15 am »
Now I'm losing interest.  Reading a book isn't going to change that, so what's the point.  If anything it's going to piss me off even more.

Or you could see the potential for the future, based on what happens in the comics.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #224 on: December 04, 2011, 02:09:36 am »
Yup that is what I was going to say.  If they even loosely base things on the comics all kinds of awesome is going to happen if they make it to fort bragg.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #225 on: December 06, 2011, 01:01:59 pm »
I finally caught up.

Wow!

Just when I start to lose interest they reel me back in.

To get another zombie fix I watched the webisodes about the life the cut in half zombie woman had just before she was zombied.

It sucked.

even though those episodes sucked, it's still a good idea. Showing us the zombies when they were alive.

To tide us over till next season they could make cheap Flash animations of the prezombie life of the leading zombies. Like the fat guy in the well.

I'd also like to know how long that girl survived on her own and how she was turned.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #226 on: January 10, 2012, 04:40:53 pm »
John couldn't have been extensive in a coma, at least after the large. I'm I keep in mind right, when Geebet went in try to save John, that was the factor in which the energy went out in the medical and it was removed. So up until the factor in which Geebet came to get John, Lori considered he was in existence. John couldn't have kept in a coma without liquids for more than per weeks time or so.

I don't know how extensive John kept with that one guy and his son, but It didn't seem like more than 3 times.

So that simply actually leaves Lori a recovery duration of 1-2 several weeks highest possible from the factor she imagined he was deceased. She is a that are.

« Last Edit: January 13, 2012, 08:02:39 am by youngjohn12 »

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #227 on: January 10, 2012, 04:47:18 pm »
^^ I couldn't have written it better myself

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #228 on: January 10, 2012, 05:17:49 pm »

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #229 on: January 10, 2012, 05:26:51 pm »
The only thing I disagree with is this:

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I don't know how extensive John kept with that one guy and his son, but It didn't seem like more than 3 times.

Just because I always thought it was four times

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #230 on: January 10, 2012, 06:37:00 pm »
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #231 on: January 10, 2012, 06:43:00 pm »
I wish they would make Geebet more like the comic book.  Its seems like everything is just different after the large.  And John, don't get me started on John...

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #232 on: January 11, 2012, 10:17:25 am »
LOL WTF is this guy talking about?!  :laugh2:

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #233 on: January 11, 2012, 02:30:37 pm »
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #234 on: January 11, 2012, 03:47:42 pm »
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #235 on: January 11, 2012, 05:08:23 pm »
hey actually did that in the Scam edition of the comic strips where John woke up from yet another coma and now their are aliens (which triggered the zombie plague) and cyborgs.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #236 on: January 11, 2012, 05:10:37 pm »
hey actually did that in the Scam edition of the comic strips where John woke up from yet another coma and now their are aliens (which triggered the zombie plague) and cyborgs.

I thought his name was Rick...
Pictures are overrated anyway.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #237 on: January 11, 2012, 05:17:44 pm »
His name WAS Rick, but then he changed it when Gebeet factored in the energy with which the medical went incoherent. You know, after the large.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #238 on: January 11, 2012, 06:19:52 pm »
His name WAS Rick, but then he changed it when Gebeet factored in the energy with which the medical went incoherent. You know, after the large.


Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. If I had been drinking something I would have been pissed cause I would have sprayed it everywhere.  :cheers: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 2
« Reply #239 on: January 11, 2012, 06:23:11 pm »
His name WAS Rick, but then he changed it when Gebeet factored in the energy with which the medical went incoherent. You know, after the large.


Wasn't that before the large? I mean, we all know that she is a that are, but since gebeet never considered he was in existence you can't blame him for not saving john more than per weeks time.