Who gave up on using a smartphone?

[Blanka]

Just received a smart phone from my boss last week. Today I returned it. I'm not made for smart phones. It was a new HTC wildfire S running droid.
Why did I ditch it:

- Email: Email on a phone sucks big time. First you are bothered 24/7 with new emails, and because of that live-email receiving combined with an impossible keyboard, you forget to react. I also dislike to receive a stressful job mail after dinner at home. When you are at your PC, the mails are marked read already, and you forget to reply once more. I disabled Mail. I went back to reading my mails when I enter the office, and just then.
- Contacts. This is a Droid problem I guess, but managing contacts on Droid is horrible. Especially when you use a sim with contacts, an office Exchange account and a google account for the market that you don't want to use for anything else. You loose total control over witch contact is where, and many disappear until reboot.
- Typing: a 3 inch touchscreen just sucks. And the keyboard always covers at least 50% of the screen, giving no clue what field you are typing in anyway. You often miss options that are under the keyboard. One of the reasons I connected to many unwanted services, put contacts in the wrong folder or missed important settings while setting up stuff.
- Apps. Apps suck big time. They are the web being crippled. Each app wants you to login with an account. Apps harvest tons of useless data. Apps decide how a webpage looks. No Ctrl+, no CSS overrides, no Greasemonkey, Apps don't have add-block. Apps want to update every week, each demanding a password for the market/app store. No saving of images, no bookmarking of interesting pages. Often the screen is too small to make the App usefull anyway.
- Location services: they are so bad programmed, most Apps are close to malware. 1: None of the apps works with GPS! They only give location services with network information. Manual entering of location is not possible. Websites however have no problem entering a specific location. You can even make bookmarks for more locations.
- A mobile OS is like a marketing tool. Everything is set up to drain money in an app-store, or to drain money by using up your plan. A PC OS is just a background service. Being modest, serving and unobtrusive. Mobile OS-es are just plain irritating salesmen.
- Account mayhem. Everything needs accounts and harvests data. If you look on how much crap you agree too, it is scary! I want a hosts filter on my phone. Need to jailbreak it for that.
- Recharging. My old phone works 4 days on a load. A smarty maybe 9-5, but thats it.
- Stress: I found myself messing with the phone many free hours, not giving fun but only adding stress on all the stuff that DOES NOT WORK on Droid. Had a similar experience with IOS. Even Windows Millenium is free breathing compared to mobile OS-es.
- Switching between network connections all the time. From Wifi, to GSM to 3G to GPRS. Every use demands different settings. Total annoying.
- Calendar is crap (Droid problem). I tied the office Calendar to an iPod that I use as alarm clock now, so I read all new appointments when getting out of bed. It was one of the main reasons I thought turning to a smart was nice, but this works very well too.
- Can't delete programs I don't need (Facebook etc.)
- Everything is about consuming. Creation on a phone is not possible (I don't count Hipstamatic in that second category).

What I did like:
Having a real small camera/video/memo recorder.
Having a mobile WIFI hotspot for a true computer.

My plan sits 50% useless in a nokia 3310 now. The 3G service being not used

Anybody having a similar experience?

[SNAAKE]

I use my smart phone for some things like music, videos, gaming, maps, whatever else help me get things done.

I dont care about all these dumb apps. I have my PC for "apps". you know..with the keyboard and a giant screen. not a fan of texting/emailing with phone either. I dont waste time trying to figure things out on the phone. if something needs to be done, I get on my computer and take care of the business

[TopJimmyCooks]

Opposite here.  I really like it and benefit from it.  I use gmail, google contacts, calendars and a lot of google related items, so it's well interfaced.  I agree it's much harder with Android if you don't toe the google line, just like its hard not to use apple store, etc. with an iphone. 

In my job, commercial construction, I am often away from the office and I use a notebook pc.  there are many situations where It's undesirable to use the PC. I.e. no network, unsafe or dirty conditions, and the phone is great there.  Once I got the passwords in for the 3 or 4 protected wifi's I work in, transition from wifi to 3g is seamless.  If I do download an app or large files, etc. I am usually in a wifi area and haven't ever gotten near my data package limit of 2 gigs.

I agree soft keyboards are annoying, so I always use a phone with a hard keyboard - Palm, then blackberry, now android/droid.  I skipped getting a 4G phone even though there is coverage where I live because there aren't 4g keyboard phones available here. 

Best thing while working:  in my line of work (hiring and managing many subs and suppliers) I have 600 contacts that i use regularly and probably 400 more that I could clean out.  970 work and maybe 30 personal.  There's no good options I've found for a dumb phone that handles a long list contacts nearly as well. 

I agree many of the features are only good in a pinch - website browsing - painful but improved with the current hardware, music playing rough compared to Ipod, etc.  But it's a worthwhile multitool for me.  I'm the type to carry a swiss army knife even though I think a little case pocketknife is good to use as well.  Interesting to hear the counterpoint. 

[hey, why did this thing just decide to reboot itself?? ]

[jimfath]

For a LONG time I resisted the Smart phone. Then, last December, Verizon had a BOGO on the droid 2 with a $200 dollar rebate. My gf talked me into it. They were about $75 each after the bogo and rebates. (The Iphone was about to be ported on Verizon and I think they were unloading their inventory before they made the announcement) Begrudgingly, I ended up using and relying on the phone lot more than I thought I would.

I use it for texting, phone calls, GPS, emails, and sometimes games and music (rare). That's it. I don't use the phone's app versions of anything I can do at home on my laptop. I tried but found the small screen and the limited options of most of the app versions beyond annoying though, I've been pretty gun shy about spending ANY money on apps. So many bad and ineffective ones that I feel like I've been burnt one too many times.

[NiN^_^NiN]

First off I will say that the wildfire really isn't a worth phone for work it really is more for the teenager or the person who wants to use apps etc not very work friendly but id like to relay my experiences on a decent android phone.

- Email: Email on a phone sucks big time. First you are bothered 24/7 with new emails, and because of that live-email receiving combined with an impossible keyboard, you forget to react. I also dislike to receive a stressful job mail after dinner at home. When you are at your PC, the mails are marked read already, and you forget to reply once more. I disabled Mail. I went back to reading my mails when I enter the office, and just then.

You can set a Peek and Off Peek time for the emails so you only get emails automatically from say 9-5 then you have to manually go into the mail app to sync your emails after 5 this is on all android phones including the wildfire

I am unsure if there is an option to only set an email to not automatically set as read but I believe there is.

- Contacts. This is a Droid problem I guess, but managing contacts on Droid is horrible. Especially when you use a sim with contacts, an office Exchange account and a google account for the market that you don't want to use for anything else. You loose total control over witch contact is where, and many disappear until reboot.

Now this would be the way you setup or playing with the settings. You can set google to copy your sim contacts or not it depends what you set it as (If i remember correctly it's a setting when you first run the phone)
You can also set it to only show sim and exchange contacts as well.

- Typing: a 3 inch touchscreen just sucks. And the keyboard always covers at least 50% of the screen, giving no clue what field you are typing in anyway. You often miss options that are under the keyboard. One of the reasons I connected to many unwanted services, put contacts in the wrong folder or missed important settings while setting up stuff.

This is cause the wildfire screen and resolution is too small as i said it's not a phone for work (I personally don't think it's a decent phone for normal use either) You are better off with the HTC Desire range or Samsung Galaxy range.

- Apps. Apps suck big time. They are the web being crippled. Each app wants you to login with an account. Apps harvest tons of useless data. Apps decide how a webpage looks. No Ctrl+, no CSS overrides, no Greasemonkey, Apps don't have add-block. Apps want to update every week, each demanding a password for the market/app store. No saving of images, no bookmarking of interesting pages. Often the screen is too small to make the App usefull anyway.

As I said the wildfire has too small of a screen and resolution so apps really dont work well (I know i had to setup the original wildfires for work) it's that specific phones issue not the android OS.

It really depends what app you are using obviously different apps might need a login (Facebook for example) but it depends on what apps you are using im using a lot of different ones for personal and work related and only needed one extra password for one of the apps the rest worked with the google login.

- Location services: they are so bad programmed, most Apps are close to malware. 1: None of the apps works with GPS! They only give location services with network information. Manual entering of location is not possible. Websites however have no problem entering a specific location. You can even make bookmarks for more locations.

Now this depends if you have Network assistance turned on most apps use the first location they are given which is based on the tower I myself disable this from the get go and just use GPS but the few apps I use for gps work well it depends if you are getting horrble apps or apps that don't work very well on that specific phone im making a general assumption as I don't know which apps you tried.

- A mobile OS is like a marketing tool. Everything is set up to drain money in an app-store, or to drain money by using up your plan. A PC OS is just a background service. Being modest, serving and unobtrusive. Mobile OS-es are just plain irritating salesmen.

Now I really don't understand this besides creating a login for google to use the market that's it i have never purchased an app as there is always a free alternative to what I need and it all depends how you use your phone and what apps you use that depends on how much data you use on your plan the PC is the same browsers and games etc are setup to use yur plan it's just that it's a bigger limit so you don't have to worry really if you go over your limit. Saying a PC os is modest and unobtrusive is the same as a phone os depending what apps you have setup to notify you they are both the same in my opinion.

- Account mayhem. Everything needs accounts and harvests data. If you look on how much crap you agree too, it is scary! I want a hosts filter on my phone. Need to jailbreak it for that.

I would say it depends on what apps you are getting. True quite a few apps have a few scary things you have to agree to but again same for the PC.

- Recharging. My old phone works 4 days on a load. A smarty maybe 9-5, but thats it.

Well that's cause the smart phone does a lot more I have a android phone that's just used as a phone no 3g or wifi and that lasts about 3 and a half days cause I'm not syncing stuff and only use it call and play/use apps throughout the day.

- Stress: I found myself messing with the phone many free hours, not giving fun but only adding stress on all the stuff that DOES NOT WORK on Droid. Had a similar experience with IOS. Even Windows Millenium is free breathing compared to mobile OS-es.

I can see it being stressful if you don't know the system and are trying different settings.

- Switching between network connections all the time. From Wifi, to GSM to 3G to GPRS. Every use demands different settings. Total annoying.

Now this I understand but there is a widget that allows you to turn wifi on and off as standard My phone is always 3g/HSDPA and I only every change to wifi when im at home or the office so why you would be swapping between gsm and GPRS I don't know unless you in an area that only has GPRS but once you get back into a decent area it will go back to 3g.

- Calendar is crap (Droid problem). I tied the office Calendar to an iPod that I use as alarm clock now, so I read all new appointments when getting out of bed. It was one of the main reasons I thought turning to a smart was nice, but this works very well too.

I can't say I have had this issue but the calendar you are using is HTC's calendar and not the android calendar but I have never had issues with it being setup as an alarm I think most of these problems are cause it's a subpar handset for general use to be honest.

- Can't delete programs I don't need (Facebook etc.)

Yep this is partly HTC and the carriers fault it's a stock app but if you root you can uninstall it.

- Everything is about consuming. Creation on a phone is not possible (I don't count Hipstamatic in that second category).

Again this depends on the phone but the wildfire would be all consuming and it wouldn't be a fun way to consume it either. A proper android phone gives you a great variety of creation. You can take photo's and manipulate them (some good apps out there that do basic functions like you would use in photoshop) there is also video editing apps that allow you to cut/trim and combine video files with affects and audio tracks and of course there is a lot of other apps you can use for drawing etc there are many ways to create on the phones but the wildfire isn't really set up.

If you had a chance to get another phone as a test I recommend the Galaxy SII it's got dual core which will make it smooth and fast and the bigger screen makes typing and emails etc a lot easier.

What I did like:
Having a real small camera/video/memo recorder.
Having a mobile WIFI hotspot for a true computer.

All are very handy features I think once you have a decent phone to use them you will like them a lot better.

My plan sits 50% useless in a nokia 3310 now. The 3G service being not used

It's a shame I think you should give a proper smart phone a go if you have the option

[drventure]

I picked up an HTC HD7 Windows Phone 7 about 6 months ago. Really like it. The screen is big. It's pretty easy to type IMs on, etc.

The only thing I don't care for is the battery life. I have to charge it every day.

As for emails, interruptions etc. That's one HUGE reason I never let work get me a phone. If they're paying for it, they'll expect you to answer it 24/7.

Generally, I leave the thing off unless I'm out of the house. For me anyway, the cell is the LAST place people should try to get me. I know for many people, though, It's the first place they expect to be reached.

Just depends on how "connected" you want to be.

[Necro]

Just received a smart phone from my boss last week. Today I returned it. I'm not made for smart phones.
...
Anybody having a similar experience?

Nope, was too busy walking uphill both ways, in the snow, to work.   

[Malenko]

I still use mine mostly as a phone and sometimes as a camera or MP3 player. The only game I play is fruit ninja (on the throne or on long rides). I do use it for work email when Im on call

[ragnar]

I don't have a smart phone.  Why?

1) $30/month for 2 gig/month plan
2) $20 more to be "allowed to" tether it to a PC or make it a hotspot ..... something I already have at home with better bandwidth.

So, $50 for something I already get for $30 or so.  No thanks.  $10/month unlimited ... fine I'll do it.  My only motivation is to hide what I do from my employer.

[Blanka]

- Recharging. My old phone works 4 days on a load. A smarty maybe 9-5, but thats it.

Well that's cause the smart phone does a lot more I have a android phone that's just used as a phone no 3g or wifi and that lasts about 3 and a half days cause I'm not syncing stuff and only use it call and play/use apps throughout the day.

Well then scale the battery gdemmit! I don't care to carry a 300gram phone. I'm a man you know, no sissy boy!

My wife is happy with it now. I'm happy that I finally have someone else to pay my phone bill. That is good enough for me .

There is also an iPad/Galaxy tab in the job offer. Is that something to use as phone? I don't care about big. I only phone behind my desk.

[Blanka]

Best thing while working:  in my line of work (hiring and managing many subs and suppliers) I have 600 contacts that i use regularly and probably 400 more that I could clean out.  970 work and maybe 30 personal.  There's no good options I've found for a dumb phone that handles a long list contacts nearly as well.  

The main reason I'm shifting my own profession. Being an architect is starting to suck big time with the way contractors are working nowadays. We have a work with 300 subcontracters walking around. That is sick. In contractor-selections we demand 1 contact to be there the whole week, and nobody else to talk to. Guess that person is you
A few years ago when I started, a contractor had al services in house, and the builders had a good all-time employment. Steady structures, clear internal communication and often a big workshop to do a lot of prefabricating in house. That time is gone.

[danny_galaga]

My smart phone:



I can call AND text people with it...

[TopJimmyCooks]

Being an architect  . . .

My Dad's an architect and I've done a lot of design/build projects with him.  I agree with the contractor interfacing issues, a bad contractor can make a great design and program look rough.  Many Architects around here have stopped doing any Construction management unless specially requested or required by the client.

Guess that person is you . . . .

In the States we call the onsite supervisor and single point of contact the Superintendent.  I am the project manager, I usually have several superintendents running individual jobs onsite.  I visit the sites but don't work there constantly.   much of my job is calling people for pricing and making sure they do what they said they were going to do - not my fave part of the deal.

A few years ago when I started, a contractor had al services in house, and the builders had a good all-time employment. Steady structures, clear internal communication and often a big workshop to do a lot of prefabricating in house. That time is gone.

That was a popular method here in the past in the US.  However, due to the fluctuations of the market and construction, the advantage goes to the more flexible general contractor who can scale his workforce by hiring more/larger subs or smaller/less subs.  Some good GC's (like me!) do still keep some in house manpower/craftsmen for critical work.  Not enough to build a whole project, though.

To tie it back into the thread, I've gotta move around and call a bunch of people, and the baggage that goes with the smartphone is a necessary evil.  I don't check my messages much after dark unless i'm expecting something. 

[leapinlew]

Smartphones are what you make of them. I have to imagine the first groups of people to use a computer could've had the same complaints you are having

1. Using a keyboard sucks. I can write much faster than hunting/pecking on a keyboard.
2. Storing of files takes up too much expensive disk space.
3. I can only work on one program at a time. On my desk I can have multiple workbooks open.  
4. If the electricity goes out, the computer is worthless but I can light a candle and keep working with paper.

Configure the phone how you like - it's a tool. Make it work for you.  

[CheffoJeffo]

Configure the phone how you like - it's a tool. Make it work for you.  

This.

EDIT: Unless you are a BB user, in which case things may not be working for you at all right now. 

[Hoopz]

Configure the phone how you like - it's a tool. Make it work for you.  

This.

EDIT: Unless you are a BB user, in which case things may not be working for you at all right now.  Or a RIMM investor, in which case you're pretty much FUBAR (unless you have short positions, are long a buttload of puts, or naked a crapload of calls. 

Fixt 

[Samstag]

If I understand correctly, you hated the smart phone because it's really terrible as a PC, and so are going back to a dumb-phone which I can only assume works really well as a PC?

How much content do you create on your dumb-phone?

[leapinlew]

If I understand correctly, you hated the smart phone because it's really terrible as a PC, and so are going back to a dumb-phone which I can only assume works really well as a PC?

How much content do you create on your dumb-phone?

The other issue is being accessible via email 24 hours a day, which is understandable but not necessarily a smartphone issue. I don't like getting urgent emails during off hours and I really don't like urgent phone calls, but the advantage to getting a urgent email at 8pm is that I can usually take care of an urgent problem before it becomes a disaster.

[leapinlew]

I pretended like I didn't have a cell phone for a couple of years and then so many people saw me on one that I finally got asked for my number. 

It's amazing how almost every single time I take a day off I get a phone call now.

I told the IT guy to "keep his ---smurfing--- mouth shut" about my personal cell phone's ability to connect to work e-mail so at least we haven't breached that wall.... yet.

Speaking of... how annoying is it when you accidentally dial a wrong number, no one answers and you don't realize it's a wrong number until their voice mail message. People always call back and they are like "Did you call my phone?!" What are these people doing that's so important that they call back a unknown number to find out who called?

[knave]

Blanka, I hear all of your dislikes and can relate to some of them but I really appreciate My HTC Aria. I held off through all the Iphone craziness but when ATT finally got an android phone I liked I went for it and it has been awesome. I only use what I need and turn off the rest. I check my email on my phone only if I feel the need No alerts here. I use texting, the soft keyboard is just fine for short texts and if I'm lazy I can just speak my texts and the phone types them. Music works well enough for the gym, or running and if I get a call it is patched through the headphones. The alarm clock, the calendar, a few free apps like a notepad and task list are nice. Best though is my ability to look up an email, website, directions in a pinch and have that info right away. Some games are fun to pass the time if I have some to kill.

I have not paid for any apps, nor do I plan to unless something bl ows me away. Once I set up shortcuts to wifi and GPS I leave them off until I need them. My battery can last three days with light use.

Hopefully someday you'll find your ideal device.

[abispac]

A mobile OS is like a marketing tool. Everything is set up to drain money in an app-store, or to drain money by using up your plan. A PC OS is just a background service. Being modest, serving and unobtrusive. Mobile OS-es are just plain irritating salesmen

This is the only real true, thats why smartphones and pads are  out there.

[CCM]

Just received a smart phone from my boss last week. Today I returned it. I'm not made for smart phones.

You sound like my dad, he's 77.

[AtomSmasher]

- Recharging. My old phone works 4 days on a load. A smarty maybe 9-5, but thats it.

Well that's cause the smart phone does a lot more I have a android phone that's just used as a phone no 3g or wifi and that lasts about 3 and a half days cause I'm not syncing stuff and only use it call and play/use apps throughout the day.

Well then scale the battery gdemmit! I don't care to carry a 300gram phone. I'm a man you know, no sissy boy!

A lot of android phones have a battery you can buy for it which is twice as big.  It's rather bulky in your pocket, but it gets the job done.  Also, the only app I've paid for (although there is a free version too) is called JuiceDefender which turns off several settings when the screen is turned off.  It has doubled my battery life.

I got my first smartphone last December and I am hooked.

[leapinlew]

Another thing...

1 day is not enough time to post an accurate review of a product. Give it some more time ya big wuss.

[Samstag]

If I understand correctly, you hated the smart phone because it's really terrible as a PC, and so are going back to a dumb-phone which I can only assume works really well as a PC?

How much content do you create on your dumb-phone?

The other issue is being accessible via email 24 hours a day, which is understandable but not necessarily a smartphone issue. I don't like getting urgent emails during off hours and I really don't like urgent phone calls, but the advantage to getting a urgent email at 8pm is that I can usually take care of an urgent problem before it becomes a disaster.

Getting work email on my my smartphone isn't an issue for me.  I only use it during business hours when I'm away from my desk, and for those situations it's very helpful.  If they need me for something after hours they use the "phone" feature to get my attention.

[lilshawn]

i switched from a blackberry to an android (LG Optimus 3D). i'm not totally convinced yet. i loved my blackberry, but they have a terrible habit of abandoning their hardware and no longer making any updates for it.

the battery life of the LG sucks compared to my blackberry (i realize it's 3g VS 4G) BUT i'm only getting about 7 or 8 hours at best where i was getting about 10-12 on my blackberry. i can increase the life to about 15 hours if I enable "only connect to 2G services" but then the network connection is slow as hell. i guess it works just fine as a phone and for texting in this configuration, but viewing websites is super frustrating. WHY CANT I JUST HAVE 3G, why must i go all the way down to 2G?!?!?!

i agree the apps are horrible, but they are horrible on all phones. they offer only basic functionality vs their website versions (facebook twitter etc) even  mobile versions of their websites (which seems to be all you can get from some sites when you view them on a mobile device.) are plagued with issues.

no real issues with the on-screen keyboard since this particular phone can rotate to a landscape view automatically, so you get a keyboard about 2x the size of the standard portrait view keyboard. the only real issue i have with it, is the words it offers up for typos.... have nothing to do with what i'm currently typing, if it even offers anything at all.

all you can do is stick with a phone as best you can, and use it for what you need. if that means a regular "dumb phone" than so be it. 

[unreal2k5]

I have a smart phone (first run droid) while it is nice to have I really have no need for it. Its nice to have all the features on it and the 3g network anytime I need it but I can live with out it. If I got one from work it might be a different story.

I mainly use it for personal use. The problem is I'm a hermit and I rarely use the phone or text people. I only use around 15 minutes a month on the phone and only send around 20-30 texts a month. I see the wife every day there is no need to talk to her when I am at work.

When my contract is up in April I plan on canceling the service and just get a prepaid phone. if any phone. I just cant justify spending 70 bucks a month for a cell phone I don't use enough. The nice thing is I can still use my old phone on a wireless network after I cancel so the apps I have wont be wasted.

[Vigo]

I'm not gonna begrudge anyone who doesn't want to use a smartphone, but it looks like we are all getting pushed into them whether we like it or not. If you look at every carrier, their regular cell phone selection absolutely blows chunks. For anything that doesn't look like it came from a cracker jack box, you will need a data plan to even purchase.

[garwil]

If work emails bother you, turn the sync/receive to manual and set up an auto reply saying you check your emails at whatever times you normally do and leave it at that. Anything more urgent you'll get a phone call, in which case, caller ID is great!

[Blanka]

Another thing...

1 day is not enough time to post an accurate review of a product. Give it some more time ya big wuss.

It was a whole week, with almost 3 hours/day fiddling. When I used an iPhone once, I understood how everything worked in maybe 1 hour.

OK, I'll give it a try again as dumb phone. I'm not going to put in any syncing, no accounts. Just a molbile hotspot and the contacts from my sim, and a few songs on the playlist. One question remains:
How the F do you get the number-keyboard away when using a HTC to call. If I want to call by entering a number, I want to have the keyboard as option. Now it covers the contact list by 80%, and contacts are called immediately when touched.

On a Sony Droid you just have 2 tabs. One with contacts, and after pressing one you have to confirm
The other tab allows old fashioned number entering.

[EightBySix]

Try windows phone. It hits the sweet spot between an easy to use appliance, but tied down (IOS) and a flexible tool that you can spend more time fiddling with and configuring than actually using (Android). I've tried all 3, and I'm going to settle on Windows.

[leapinlew]

Your original unedited post said 1 day.

Not cool.

[Blanka]

Your original unedited post said 1 day.

Not cool.

7 times throwing away 3 hours is roughly one day.

[knave]

How the F do you get the number-keyboard away when using a HTC to call.

Unless it's been changed, You can press an icon at the bottom Left when the number pad is up to hide it. On my phone it us just left of the green "call" button/icon. It looks kind of like a tiny kepad with a down arrow under it.

[lilshawn]

Your original unedited post said 1 day.

Not cool.

7 times throwing away 3 hours is roughly one day.

AGREED!

[DCsegaDH]

I have a Tracfone prepaid phone, I'd rather save money for my future projects. I don't use cell phones that much anyway, unless someone from work calls me in

[leapinlew]

Good luck with the smartphone in round 2!

[Blanka]

no, your original post said....

bah. I'm not going to argue with the old man telling me to get off his lawn. Enjoy your telegraph and typewriter pops.

What the heck. Who cares? What do you think a GD edit button is for? To fix up mistakes MATE!
BTW what is a typewriter and what is a telegraph. Guess I missed Edison in history class.

[leapinlew]

no, your original post said....

bah. I'm not going to argue with the old man telling me to get off his lawn. Enjoy your telegraph and typewriter pops.

What the heck. Who cares? What do you think a GD edit button is for? To fix up mistakes MATE!
BTW what is a typewriter and what is a telegraph. Guess I missed Edison in history class.

ummm... what? Don't put words in my mouth MATE!