3D VIP 3D on existing devices

[Necroticart]

Well I wanted to point this out since I just bought one and thought some of you might want one. It allows for 3D on all DLP and LCD screens even at 60 hz of course you get some flicker on an LCD panel since it's 30 hz an eye but it works great also keep in mind this is primarily made for projectors which I can't wait to get one. But, it would mean running more wire which my wife is still not completely happy with what I had to do to install a 7.1  surround sound system. also keep in mind this makes 3D games on the PS3 a little more useful

here is a few links to get more info if any of you want one.
http://www.3d-vip.com/
http://www.consignia.ca/
http://3dvision-blog.com/vip-3d-gamer-is-an-hdmi-1-4-to-3d-dlp-projectors-video-converter/

Also note it's a little cheaper to go directly through Jonathan at VIP
 

[ChadTower]

There have been addon shutter glass devices for years now.  Can't vouch for these but I have bought others in the past and they add about as much 3D as an old Kellogg's baseball card.

[Howard_Casto]

Plus is 3d really worth the crappy image quality you will get?

These things typically work via some form of interlacing, essentially cutting your resolution in half.  Even if they don't they DEFINATELY cut your refresh rate in half.

[Necroticart]

There have been addon shutter glass devices for years now.  Can't vouch for these but I have bought others in the past and they add about as much 3D as an old Kellogg's baseball card.

well this is active shutter frame so this is on par with what your getting when you go to a theater the technology has matured a lot

Plus is 3d really worth the crappy image quality you will get?

These things typically work via some form of interlacing, essentially cutting your resolution in half.  Even if they don't they DEFINATELY cut your refresh rate in half.

as for image quality your still getting 960 pixels vertically and 540 pixels Horizontally *2  interlaced so combining the 2 images together will give you 1920 x 1080 because the images become mergered

as for cost I figured this solution it's going to be cheaper in the long run when I go to buy a projector. I can't see a 1080p 3D projector being less than 5k so why not buy one thats non 3d with better specs and add the 3d with this device.

[Necroticart]

yes and or more for expanded functionality ie the theater version at $500 and the reason why this is need is because most 3d projectors need a hardware solution to interperate the data from the 3d bluray player here is a list of projectors and a better explanation.

http://www.3dmovielist.com/projectors.html

[Howard_Casto]

There have been addon shutter glass devices for years now.  Can't vouch for these but I have bought others in the past and they add about as much 3D as an old Kellogg's baseball card.

well this is active shutter frame so this is on par with what your getting when you go to a theater the technology has matured a lot

Plus is 3d really worth the crappy image quality you will get?

These things typically work via some form of interlacing, essentially cutting your resolution in half.  Even if they don't they DEFINATELY cut your refresh rate in half.

as for image quality your still getting 960 pixels vertically and 540 pixels Horizontally *2  interlaced so combining the 2 images together will give you 1920 x 1080 because the images become mergered

as for cost I figured this solution it's going to be cheaper in the long run when I go to buy a projector. I can't see a 1080p 3D projector being less than 5k so why not buy one thats non 3d with better specs and add the 3d with this device.

Unless it's some sort of new interlacing technology, the horizontal should be the same and the vertical cut in half.  1080p is 1920 pixels wide by 1080 pixels high.  The 1080 is the vertical resolution.  Interlacing takes two images and merges the vertical scanlines, alternating a horizontal line from each image. 

So 1080i is 1920 x 540.  You've essentially cut the vertical resolution to below even 720p, making it just above 480p. 

Even assuming that it IS a new form of interlacing and both the horizontal and vertical are cut in half, your image would actually be even worse... making it just barely above 480p.  So yeah it would be 3d.... standard def 3d.

So now that you've confirmed that the image is indeed interlaced I'll ask again... would it be worth the degredation in quality?

[ChadTower]

There are a couple projectors out there in the $500-1000 range that can handle 3D stuff very very well.  I saw one in a guy's house recently that was amazing.  I could find his model number if anyone is interested because I don't think it was a projector that actually had that in the specs.  It was just capable out of coincedence and is well known on the AVS forums.

[Necro]

I think this depends on the source and the refresh rate of what you're using as a display.  Full HD 3D is full 1080p, with 60hz effective refresh rate to each eye.  However, that's only available from a 3D BluRay player or certain Nvidia configurations at this point, I believe.  The majority of other sources are SBS (side by side) or Top-Bottom, with the display device or some hardware stretching the half picture to full and alternating between the two images.  You only get a half resolution display to each eye (vertically or horizontally, depending on format) when you do this, regardless of the refresh rate of the viewing device. 

All of the above is for active shutter tech.  If you're using anaglyph or polarized lenses, you only need 60hz refresh since all the information for each eye is in every frame. 

[ChadTower]

Yeah, this guy had a PC he was using, it's possible he was using the NVidia chipset and a projector that happened to be able to handle the signal.

[Necroticart]

Unless it's some sort of new interlacing technology, the horizontal should be the same and the vertical cut in half.  1080p is 1920 pixels wide by 1080 pixels high.  The 1080 is the vertical resolution.  Interlacing takes two images and merges the vertical scanlines, alternating a horizontal line from each image. 

So 1080i is 1920 x 540.  You've essentially cut the vertical resolution to below even 720p, making it just above 480p. 

Even assuming that it IS a new form of interlacing and both the horizontal and vertical are cut in half, your image would actually be even worse... making it just barely above 480p.  So yeah it would be 3d.... standard def 3d.

So now that you've confirmed that the image is indeed interlaced I'll ask again... would it be worth the degredation in quality?

i was wrong on the resolution the vertical res is 1920 and yes the horizontal res is 540 but even at that once you combine the images its still HD quality my best suggestion to you is to go look at one of the instore displays at best buy running the active shutter frame setup. honestly I had no interest till I saw a 3D setup now it's something I have to have just like the first time I heard a good 7.1 setup and that also includes a full 1080p projector setup let alone adding in 3D to it.

Yeah, this guy had a PC he was using, it's possible he was using the NVidia chipset and a projector that happened to be able to handle the signal.

This VIP device is a way to circumvent  using an NVidia chipset and PC.

[Howard_Casto]

I haven't actually messed with the 3d tvs yet because it seems like a lame gimmick to me.  Everytime somebody tells me to checkout a movie or device because "the 3d is amazing" I come back under-whealmed.  I mean I can see the 3d effect and all, but after the inital 5 minutes all I get is a headache from glasses/thescreen/whatever essentially  doing a strobe light show in front of my face.  I mean think about something flickering on and off in front of your eye at 60hz... that couldn't be good for you. 

Let us know how this turns out though.  I am interested, I'm just skeptical in regards to the quality.

[Necroticart]

i'll definitely keep you posted on how it turns out as far as getting a headache from 3D the only device that has bothered me is the 3DS I was even going to buy one for the new version of OOT. as for flicker most people with the VIP have been able to get it to a minimum so i'm not to worried.