Author Topic: 3DS first impression - better than I thought. (Read 19930 times)

Dervacumen · « **on:** March 27, 2011, 01:19:06 pm »

So I caved and bought one a couple hours ago which isn't that surprising since I've been on the fence for about 8 months. The 3D effect is much better than I imagined and the 3D camera takes great pictures. The one bundled game I played for a minute worked well in 3D, even while moving the thing all over the place. Yeah, you lose a little focus but the overall effect is great IMO. Still getting used to what it has to offer, but I'm happy with my purchase. Setting up internet access took about 20 seconds. Setting parental controls was straightforward.
I only purchased one launch game, Nintendogs + Cats, since this is really for my kid. Once I pry it from her hands and have a little time with some of the applications I'll give a deeper report. For now I'm going to play with her new toy.

shateredsoul · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2011, 03:57:35 pm »

You or your kids gone cross eyed yet?

Did it look like another wii situations when you went over? I mean where there people sleeping over and such? I was tempted to get one, called my local gamestop and they had a few left and said I would probably be able to get one if I rushed over now.

bobotech · « **Reply #2 on:** March 27, 2011, 04:27:01 pm »

What I wonder about is the long term usability of the system with the 3d effect. Like will it cause peolple to suffer motion sickness and/or headaches? Will this turn into another virtual boy?

shateredsoul · « **Reply #3 on:** March 27, 2011, 06:20:53 pm »

check out ebay, the nintendo 3ds are selling for less than msrp w/ free shipping.

Scalping fail, doh!

Dazz · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2011, 04:15:15 am »

I've been having a blast with the 3DS so far since I picked it up 5 hours ago. I picked up Street Fighter 4 and Pilotwings, but the pre-loaded AR games are just as fun.

I have no issues at all with the 3D and no headache or anything after 4 or 5 hours of use.

However, I am now expecting every screen that I view to have 3D depth to it. Computer monitors, TV screens and even my iPhone my eyes are expecting to see 3D.

Malenko · « **Reply #5 on:** March 28, 2011, 11:15:08 am »

They had a little roped off area at best buy for 3DSs, there were no lines and a stack of them left.
Im not interested but my GF wants one when they release a pink one.... then I get her old DSiXL and my nephews get to fight over my DSLite

versapak · « **Reply #6 on:** March 28, 2011, 11:44:39 am »

Quote from: Malenko on March 28, 2011, 11:15:08 am

They had a little roped off area at best buy for 3DSs, there were no lines and a stack of them left.
Im not interested but my GF wants one when they release a pink one.... then I get her old DSiXL and my nephews get to fight over my DSLite

Yeah, I didn't even realize it had come out. There were a ton of them at the Gamestop I was in yesterday with no lines and very little fanfare.

I am interested in the thing, but not until it gets better battery life for a much lower price. Spending $250 on a dedicated mobile gaming device isn't something I will ever even entertain.

shateredsoul · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2011, 03:54:29 pm »

maybe come Christmas it will be more scarce... 250 for a portable is very different than 250 for a home console (the Nintendo Wii).

Dervacumen · « **Reply #8 on:** March 28, 2011, 04:54:23 pm »

Quote from: shateredsoul on March 27, 2011, 03:57:35 pm

You or your kids gone cross eyed yet?

Did it look like another wii situations when you went over? I mean where there people sleeping over and such? I was tempted to get one, called my local gamestop and they had a few left and said I would probably be able to get one if I rushed over now.

Quote from: shateredsoul on March 27, 2011, 03:57:35 pm

You or your kids gone cross eyed yet?

Did it look like another wii situations when you went over? I mean where there people sleeping over and such? I was tempted to get one, called my local gamestop and they had a few left and said I would probably be able to get one if I rushed over now.

Where I live, there's no such thing as running out to get anything before it sells out.
I wasn't even planning on getting one, really. I was just sitting there in the morning a coule hours after the store opened and thought since I needed to get a couple of things I'd check to see if there were any in stock.
There were 6 left after I bought mine.
and I went to Best Buy today, they ordered 40 and sold about 8 yesterday. The advertising on this was horrific IMO. I don't think most people even know it exists. Word will get out and stock will dry up. I give it about two weeks.
I really like the camera and the built in shooting game. I've experienced no eye strain, but I've only played it for about 30 minutes. The slider to kick back to 2D will alleviate the problem if it arises. I think it's like the early wii games. Until the developers get good at using the technology it's hit or miss.

Dervacumen · « **Reply #9 on:** March 28, 2011, 04:55:26 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on March 28, 2011, 03:57:48 pm

$100 for an Iphone 4 from AT&T.

Just saying.

I had an iphone 3 and hated it. I can't imagine I'll like the 4G. Where I am, I can't get greater speed anyway.

Dazz · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2011, 08:32:04 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on March 28, 2011, 03:57:48 pm

$100 for an Iphone 4 from AT&T.

Just saying.

Last time I checked; a phone normally requires a CONTRACT with a monthly payment. Why would anyone ever consider a phone for a gaming platform? Sure phones now days can play games, but even if I didn't have an iPhone 4 already I still wouldn't even think twice about buying one as a gaming platform.

shateredsoul · « **Reply #11 on:** March 29, 2011, 12:16:06 am »

I'm sort of looking forward to Kid Icarus, I like on rail shooters (like start fox and panzer dragoon), and aren't they also remaking star fox 64 for it?

I actually never played Zelda Majora's Mask, so if that comes out I'll be sure to get that game.

shateredsoul · « **Reply #12 on:** March 29, 2011, 10:34:20 am »

*launches a bird at this thread*

RandyT · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2011, 12:41:47 am »

Quote from: Dervacumen on March 28, 2011, 04:54:23 pm

The advertising on this was horrific IMO. I don't think most people even know it exists. Word will get out and stock will dry up. I give it about two weeks.

I haven't seen one in the flesh yet, but I don't think this will be the case. Nintendo is about to learn the ambivalence of the American consumer when it comes to 3D. I think the hand-held will enjoy some success, but it will come largely from the added conventional capabilities of the system, and likely only when the price comes down. It will take a similar amount of time to be accepted as any system which is relatively expensive out of the gate, and which offers more at the cost of a new library of games (See: PS3).

I see lots of ads for it on TV now, but based on my perusal of the video game aisle at WM today, where there was a pile of units stacked in the display case and no unit to witness running, I don't think they will do much good.

Blanka · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2011, 02:46:27 am »

Why is the unit itself so damn ugly? Those plastic colours you can choose..... EEEK!

shateredsoul · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2011, 04:59:11 pm »

It's a lot smaller than I expected, from the pics it looked the size of the original ds. The deal killer for me is really the battery life. I guess I never really play portable devices outside the house anyways... but that's not the point damnit! I bet it'll come down to $200 by xmas. I heard that it sold more than previous portable systems, but it doesn't seem that way because there's so many left over. I bet initial shortages at the beginning are good for long term sales.

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #16 on:** April 02, 2011, 10:47:36 pm »

I got the chance to try one today at Gamestop. Neat effect and all, but I would never pay that much for one. When I stopped playing, it took a moment to adjust back to the real world.

RandyT · « **Reply #17 on:** April 04, 2011, 12:16:34 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on April 04, 2011, 10:12:35 am

Do like how the commercials are all 25-35 year olds... reminds me of the original Gameboy commercials showing the artsy types intently playing Tetris. "We're not a kid's toy, we swear!"

Quote from: RandyT on February 03, 2011, 06:43:43 pm

I have to admit that I am a bit excited to see where Nintendo goes with this one. With the price tag and the built in features of the 3DS, one has to feel a little like they may finally be attempting to shed the "kid's toy" image and push into the more "adult gamer" market where Sony has tried to position the PSP devices. It will be fun to follow.

Nice to see you coming around.

The original Gameboy ads came at a time when Nintendo had not yet earned it's "kid's toy" reputation. It was their attempt to market to the broad spectrum of gamers at that time, even those who had "grown up". This is a strong indicator that they are attempting to do so again, as if the price tag alone wasn't enough. You are seeing the first blush of the new face of Nintendo.

RandyT · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2011, 12:42:56 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on April 04, 2011, 12:27:21 pm

Price point is a pretty lousy way to say you're an adult product. Are you seriously claiming that the game lineup for 3DS is somehow more mature? SF4 aside it's the same kiddie crap we've seen for 20 years.

I have seen 20 SF4 commercials for every 1 Nintendogs commercial. SF4 is an early teen to 30 geared title. My 6 and 8 year old niece and nephew, who both carry around DS's don't play SF4, and their mother would never pay $250 for their handhelds. If Nintendo had any sense (and I think they do) they would understand this. It's simple to see that the 3DS is priced and equipped for an older player. Even the launch color options scream this. Now it's just a matter of whether they can pull it off.

shateredsoul · « **Reply #19 on:** April 04, 2011, 12:51:43 pm »

If you want a better price, go to ebay and geton for under 200 w/ free shipping. Seriously. I think they're having a hard time selling these, so it's not looking good so far. Maybe when better games come out?

Donkbaca · « **Reply #20 on:** April 04, 2011, 01:00:24 pm »

Games won't solve the issues. What "OMG, I gotta have it title" are they gonna have to justify the price point? Just about every console I can think of had that one game that made the console worth the purchase.

No way this thing can compete against the iphone 4, which most people can get cheaper, will carry around anyways because its a phone and music player and all that other crap. I think this is a Nintendisaster

shateredsoul · « **Reply #21 on:** April 04, 2011, 01:16:21 pm »

I bought an extra one for sale, bad idea! Yeah I agree about the price point being too high for most people. That explains the ebay prices.

I guess i'll just keep them sealed forever, maybe they'll be worth more as Nintendo's 2nd 3D fail

either that or this will be sought after due to the firmware version as soon as they hack it.

RandyT · « **Reply #22 on:** April 04, 2011, 01:28:01 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on April 04, 2011, 12:51:36 pm

Yeah, but the problem is that adults with $250 are too smart to buy a lousy handheld game system with 1/10 the functionality of similarly priced devices.

Are you counting the "Nintendults"? BTW, plenty of adults spent that much on a PSP, and will spend more on the next generation. The world does not evolve around the cell phone when it comes to portable gaming.

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Black and blue are mature colors? C'mon, Randy, that's full on looney tunes. Which Nintendo system has ever launched with a 'non-mature' color?

Jim, I'm dying to know what you do for a living. I'm guessing marketing doesn't play much of a role. Subdued colors are adult oriented. If it looks out of place in the shirt pocket of an adult who can afford to spend that much for a gadget, it is.

Donkbaca · « **Reply #23 on:** April 04, 2011, 01:39:55 pm »

The new smartphones are a game changer. The PSP go was a complete disaster.

There are Nintendults, but not enough of them to make $250 portable profitable IMHO.

Lets face it, the main reason the DS was so popular is because it was something used by parents to placate kids on trips to the store, don't see the same parents shelling out that kind of cash for a kids portable.

Portable gaming as a whole has never really taken off. The only ones that have ever been succesful are the PSP and the gameboy line, and that was pre-iphone/android.

RandyT · « **Reply #24 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:12:23 pm »

Quote from: Donkbaca on April 04, 2011, 01:39:55 pm

The new smartphones are a game changer.

Until one comes out with real gaming controls (and one is coming), no, they are in fact, not. Cell phones, sans proper controls, severely limit the types of games one can play, and people who consider themselves gamers will never be happy stabbing at a touch screen to control deeper games.

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The PSP go was a complete disaster.

That was simply because it was product that no-one asked for. The PSP was handling that market sector just fine, and the GO did nothing to enhance what the PSP already offered. Just the opposite in fact.

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There are Nintendults, but not enough of them to make $250 portable profitable IMHO.

Lets face it, the main reason the DS was so popular is because it was something used by parents to placate kids on trips to the store, don't see the same parents shelling out that kind of cash for a kids portable.

Then you must believe Nintendo to be managed by baboons

. I have voiced my doubts about the possibilities for success of this unit as well. But unlike you, I think they have a plan. It is only their ability to carry it out that I am a little skeptical of.

Donkbaca · « **Reply #25 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:37:17 pm »

Hardcore gamers don't play handhelds. Name one hardcore gaming title on ANY handheld? The handheld market has always done best with casual fans, and that is the same market that smartphones cater to.

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That was simply because it was product that no-one asked for

Same thing with the 3DS. The only thing if offers above a DS is the screen, which is a novelty, it doesn't do anything to add to the quality of the games, or the interface. Its a fancy gimmick.

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Then you must believe Nintendo to be managed by baboons . I have voiced my doubts about the possibilities for success of this unit as well. But unlike you, I think they have a plan. It is only their ability to carry it out that I am a little skeptical of.

No, I think they are managed well, but they not every decision they make is golden, there have been tons of flops, the virtual boy being the most famous. Nintendo will be fine, they don't follow the model of lose money on the initial console launch, then hope to make it back in licensing and later models economy of scale like the other console makers do. That means that "success" for nintendo is a lot lower of a bar than it would be for Sony. It COULD be a success, if like the gamecube, they put out some good Nintendo property games that fans have gotta have, that would allow for a decent enough base of users to attract third party development. But, unless that happens, I don't see how its gonna work, and there is no wiz-bang launch title. SFIV? I can play SFIV on my iphone. Got it for 99 cents. Is it as good as the one on the 3ds? I don't know, but I am not going to pay 300 bucks for a system and a game to find out...

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #26 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:49:17 pm »

Quote from: Donkbaca on April 04, 2011, 02:37:17 pm

Hardcore gamers don't play handhelds. Name one hardcore gaming title on ANY handheld?

Fire Pro Wrestling 1 & 2 on GBA

shateredsoul · « **Reply #27 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:56:00 pm »

what's hardcore?

I thought Zelda's Link's awakening was pretty "hardcore"

Final Fantasy Adventure & Legend 1 - 3

Metroid and Castlevania Series on GBA

Nintendo DS had quite a few "hardcore rpgs", sonic platformers,

God of war for psp

do you mean first person shooters and 3d adventure games? If that's what you mean yeah, you're right. But a bunch of those games are pretty easy to finish.

RandyT · « **Reply #28 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:59:04 pm »

Quote from: Donkbaca on April 04, 2011, 02:37:17 pm

Hardcore gamers don't play handhelds. Name one hardcore gaming title on ANY handheld? The handheld market has always done best with casual fans, and that is the same market that smartphones cater to.

I don't even know how to answer this question. There are casual games, and there is everything else. Most handheld games fall into the everything else category. It would be more appropriate for you to decide who was going to get their butt beat in a game of SF4, the guy with the "plus" pad and buttons, or the guy smearing the touchscreen with his thumb.

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Same thing with the 3DS. The only thing if offers above a DS is the screen, which is a novelty, it doesn't do anything to add to the quality of the games, or the interface. Its a fancy gimmick.

You won't catch me arguing with the 3D novelty aspects, but underneath there is a faster processor with more memory, and bunch of other functional enhancements. These will allow for the machine to succeed, at least to some extent, in spite of how well the 3D part is received.

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No, I think they are managed well, but they not every decision they make is golden, there have been tons of flops, the virtual boy being the most famous. Nintendo will be fine, they don't follow the model of lose money on the initial console launch, then hope to make it back in licensing and later models economy of scale like the other console makers do. That means that "success" for nintendo is a lot lower of a bar than it would be for Sony.

Don't let some other folks around here hear you talking like that

. Seriously, I agree with this. But they have to be playing to the "serious gamer" crowd with this one. They have priced it out of the market where their other handhelds are thriving. They also seem to have no intention of pulling the 2D DS's from production, and retailers seem all too happy to take them in on trade. As I stated, this is geared to be a competitive entry into a market where Nintendo hasn't really been represented for a while now. It will be interesting to see if they can compete on the merits of the machine, or whether we see a pink or "baby blue" version and a big price cut before Christmas.

Samstag · « **Reply #29 on:** April 04, 2011, 03:47:22 pm »

Quote from: Donkbaca on April 04, 2011, 02:37:17 pm

Hardcore gamers don't play handhelds. Name one hardcore gaming title on ANY handheld? The handheld market has always done best with casual fans, and that is the same market that smartphones cater to.

GTA: Liberty City Stories, Vice City Stories, God of War, and probably a bunch of others I'm forgetting were essentially console games (PS2 era) on a handheld. Allowing for the missing second analog stick, they were practically the same experience as you'd get on the PS2. If those aren't hardcore games, I don't know what you think hardcore means.

RandyT · « **Reply #30 on:** April 04, 2011, 04:10:06 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on April 04, 2011, 03:54:52 pm

Yeah, and those console versions of the game on a handheld are precisely why the PSP is a dud system, too.

Yeah, stupid 60+ million consumers buying a dud system. What were they thinking ?

Seriously, Jim, how do you come up with these gems?

Donkbaca · « **Reply #31 on:** April 04, 2011, 05:44:08 pm »

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GTA: Liberty City Stories, Vice City Stories, God of War, and probably a bunch of others I'm forgetting were essentially console games (PS2 era) on a handheld. Allowing for the missing second analog stick, they were practically the same experience as you'd get on the PS2. If those aren't hardcore games, I don't know what you think hardcore means

Well that's five games. The GTA games are sorta hardcore I guess. In my mind hardcore games are games that you need to invest 40 plus hours in to complete/be proficient in. Each of these games is around 15 hours I think.

In any case, even if you count the GTAs and the GOWs, thats 5 games on the PSP, and few, if anybody, is going to rush out and get a PSP just to play those games as they are basically ports of PS2 games, only smaller and with crappier graphics. That's really my point, I guess. Not that a hardcore gamer would rush out and buy an iphone to game on, but considering that there are a billion other reasons to have a smart phone, and the most you will pay for a game on one is 10 bucks, I am saying that its pretty hard to convince someone to spend 250 bucks on portable gaming today. If the person is at home, they will always chose their pc/console, if they are away from home they have their iphone, and I don't think most people will find the gaming experience on the DS to be compelling enough to justify carrying another device and shelling out the dough to play on a 3DS vs an Iphone.

RandyT · « **Reply #32 on:** April 04, 2011, 06:33:25 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on April 04, 2011, 05:17:01 pm

Good lord, Randy. Here, let me make it a little clearer:

Yeah, and those console versions of the game on a handheld are precisely why the PSP is a dud system in my opinion, too.

Ok, so you have a different definition of "dud" than used by the majority. A "dud" is a deployment failure. Whatever the yardstick you use, the PSP is factually not a "dud" system, your opinion notwithstanding.

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You do realize that everything posted on a video game forum is opinion, right? Especially moronic comments about how Nintendo is turning a new leaf and unveiling THIS system in a conservative color that's not flashy like gray, black, or white.

Not everything is opinion, and that means you don't get to be right just because you are you. Either A: Nintendo has gone off it's rocker and given absolutely no thought as to how the configuration and the associated added cost improvements of the 3DS have priced it out of Nintendo's current, long held market segment, or B: they are attempting to break new ground. I gave you a number of indicators which show pretty clearly that the latter is much more likely, but you latched onto the smallest and least significant one, because you could find argument with it. And even I only mentioned it because someone else here noticed it and felt strongly enough about it to add it to the list of things which he did not like about the system. These decisions, even the ones as simple as color, are painfully and tediously considered. If you want to believe that they pulled them out of a hat, that's fine. But when you start arguing in support of those kind of theories, you will find resistance.

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How about you turn a new leaf and stop acting like a dick towards your customers?

Jim, you say ridiculously spiteful things like this every time I disagree with your myopic views on the industry. It's old and it's pathetic. Unlike other vendors who seem only to show up when they are pimping something, I come to these forums primarily to interact with folks and lend my insight on topics being discussed, and I have been doing so for a lot longer than I have had a single thing for sale. Frankly, it's more than a little bizarre that you think someone should alter their views so as to give you a "pass" simply because you made two small purchases with them in the past 8 years. I value my customers greatly, but not to the point that the integrity of the discussion suffers. That would only do them a disservice, and I won't do that for you. Sorry.

RandyT · « **Reply #33 on:** April 04, 2011, 07:04:10 pm »

For those who are interested in more evidence that Nintendo has different plans for the 3DS, and in moving forward; Link

Apparently they started doing this on the Wii just last year as well. A corporate culture that has had a historical aversion to games with "mature" subject matter, now has an official policy in the Japanese market on how to integrate them into their library. This speaks volumes about the direction the company is moving.

Donkbaca · « **Reply #34 on:** April 04, 2011, 07:10:49 pm »

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Either A: Nintendo has gone off it's rocker and given absolutely no thought as to how the configuration and the associated added cost improvements of the 3DS have priced it out of Nintendo's current, long held market segment, or B: they are attempting to break new ground. I gave you a number of indicators which show pretty clearly that the latter is much more likely, but you latched onto the smallest and least significant one, because you could find argument with it. And even I only mentioned it because someone else here noticed it and felt strongly enough about it to add it to the list of things which he did not like about the system. These decisions, even the ones as simple as color, are painfully and tediously considered. If you want to believe that they pulled them out of a hat, that's fine. But when you start arguing in support of those kind of theories, you will find resistance.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Nintendo doesn't have a plan, I think we are arguing that the plan won't work. In fact, I think what PBJ,(If I can speak for him) and I are saying is pretty much the same thing as you, that essentially this is an adult handheld, but adults won't buy it enough for it to be all that succesful. Then again, really, what this is a regular DS with a fancy screen. Its a low risk gambit for Nintendo, they are trying to ride the 3d wave, if it fails, they haven't lost that much, and its novel enough that it may have a niche following, and a niche following will probably be good enough for them. Just like the wii was a low risk gamble, its basically just a gamecube with a hard drive and motion controls.

For what its worth I think both PBJ and RandyT are ---Deutsche Frankfurters---, but I like what they have to say

RandyT · « **Reply #35 on:** April 04, 2011, 07:44:09 pm »

Quote from: Donkbaca on April 04, 2011, 07:10:49 pm

In fact, I think what PBJ,(If I can speak for him) and I are saying is pretty much the same thing as you, that essentially this is an adult handheld, but adults won't buy it enough for it to be all that succesful. Then again, really, what this is a regular DS with a fancy screen. Its a low risk gambit for Nintendo, they are trying to ride the 3d wave, if it fails, they haven't lost that much, and its novel enough that it may have a niche following, and a niche following will probably be good enough for them. Just like the wii was a low risk gamble, its basically just a gamecube with a hard drive and motion controls.

If I'm not mistaken, PBJ has argued specifically that he doesn't think the 3DS is a DS with a fancy screen. I tend to lean more toward your conclusion, but with the caveat that the extra capabilities built in to support that screen, and which are driving the pricetag, are also going to make the system more marketable as a "serious" portable. Based on the rumored price of the PSP2, the 3DS might be positioned well enough to get a foothold if the systems turn out to be at all comparable.

I wonder when we will see the first "mod" involving the removal of the plastic 3D grating.

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For what its worth I think both PBJ and RandyT are ---Deutsche Frankfurters---, but I like what they have to say

Heh. I guess that's what's important

Donkbaca · « **Reply #36 on:** April 04, 2011, 07:54:39 pm »

Lastly (for now) 200-300 bucks is a barrier for consoles, and with a handheld, you can't justify the purchase like you can with a console by saying, "well at least it also plays blu rays and can be my home media center. All this thing does is play games. We'll see what it can do.

Me? I am skeptical

BTW, If the PSP2 is priced higher, it will be a colossal failure. People didn't buy the PS3 when it came out because it was over that 300 bucks for a console limit. If a HANDHELD is over 300 bucks, who the hell would buy it?

shateredsoul · « **Reply #37 on:** April 04, 2011, 08:05:16 pm »

who cares

Donkbaca · « **Reply #38 on:** April 04, 2011, 08:07:58 pm »

well, I care. Randy T cared enough that he was a dick to PBJ, who is also a dick. PBJ cared enough to have his dick feelings hurt my Randy's dickery.

Meh, nobody cares, we are just bored and like to talk about games, especially in instances like this, where the less we know about and actually use the product, the stronger our feelings are about them.

shateredsoul · « **Reply #39 on:** April 04, 2011, 08:14:44 pm »

Quote from: Donkbaca on April 04, 2011, 08:07:58 pm

well, I care. Randy T cared enough that he was a dick to PBJ, who is also a dick. PBJ cared enough to have his dick feelings hurt my Randy's dickery.

Meh, nobody cares, we are just bored and like to talk about games, especially in instances like this, where the less we know about and actually use the product, the stronger our feelings are about them.

How about back to talking about the 3DS? Any good games going to come out for it in the future? I'm not particularly interested in the Zelda game.


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