PS3 fully hacked - Sony can't do anything about it either!

[hypernova]

According to this story the PS3 is now fully hacked, and apparently Sony can do nothing about it except for releasing new PS3 consoles.  In other words, existing consoles cannot be patched.

[SavannahLion]

This was on HaD a few days ago.....

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[SNAAKE]

damn it I just sold my extra fat ps3 couple of days ago lol

cant mess with the slim one..I play online all the time

[quadrider1]

http://psgroove.com/content.php?614-KaKaRoTo-Creates-First-PS3-Custom-Firmware
check it out the first custom firmware for the ps3, even loads on 3.55, been reported to still play on psn and use the store. No backup manager yet and you cant really install pkg. but its a major step at shoving it up sonys A**

[Firebat138]

Hmmm... perhaps it is time for me to pick one up...

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

Figured something was coming... there were a LOT of people pissed about the Linux thing. 

Swiping games on this system is kind of a headache, and I doubt this new firmware will really change that.  Copying the discs is out.  Sure, you can rip them yourself to the internal harddrive, but that's slow.  Or you can transfer them to the internal harddrive at 65KBps... Or run them off an external drive, so long as there aren't any files >4GB.   

I don't own a PS3. Can you elaborate on these points? Why couldn't you copy the games? It looks like there do already exist PS3 isos rips (ranging from a few hundred megs up to 40ish gigs). Does the PS3 not support a file system over USB that can handle 4Gb+ files?

I would imagine we'll end up seeing some sort of program to emulate the bluray drive and mount isos from at attached storage device or network interface, similar to what happened with the gamecube.

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

I think all the answers to your questions were in my post....

 

Why couldn't you copy the games?

By copy do you mean "burn copies"?  If so, no idea why you can't... but you can't.

Does the PS3 not support a file system over USB that can handle 4Gb+ files?

Correct.  External drives are FAT32 only.

I would imagine we'll end up seeing some sort of program to emulate the bluray drive and mount isos from at attached storage device

Already possible, but you've got that FAT32 4GB individual file size limitation on an external hard drive.  Doesn't apply to internal, but then you're dealing with slow ripping or transfer speeds.  You can't yank the internal drive out of the PS3, hook it up to your PC, and copy files over.

By 'copy' meant whatever you were suggesting when you said "copying is out". I was assuming you meant you were unable to rip ISOs using a bluray drive, so I wondered by what method the existing rips were being produced.

As for the Fat32 limitation, I don't see why an arbitrary loader wouldn't be able to support NTFS to allow >4Gb files.

What causes the slow transfer to the internal drive?

[Mikezilla]

It says nothing can be done about it, but I wonder if the huge patch I had to DL last night had anything to do with this. Hm. Crazy indeed.

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

In regards to the "cannot fix" suggestion, my personal favorite comment was on Slashdot.. Something to the effect of:

"Until they release a new firmware update that bricks all the machines and the only solution is to send your PS3 back in for replacement".

Not that it'd happen, but I appreciate the maliciousness of it.

PBJ: So ~65 kilobytes per second off of an internal ftp? I saw God of War III being listed as 45 gigs.. That would end up being something like 201 hours to transfer? Craziness. I'd be shocked if a more elegant solution doesn't crop up in reasonably soon. The desire for free stuff fuels impressive things.

[northerngames]

Already possible, but you've got that FAT32 4GB individual file size limitation on an external hard drive.  Doesn't apply to internal, but then you're dealing with slow ripping or transfer speeds.  You can't yank the internal drive out of the PS3, hook it up to your PC, and copy files over.

I assume that is already in progress no different then the 360 it will just take one program to allow the interenal hdd to hook to a pc and fly.

now that it is supposedly opened fully it would work similiar to swapping the hdd out with a larger one in the xbox with software to support it no matter if the drive was locked to the motherboard or not.

[northerngames]

I dont even have one and dont plan on getting until there like $100.00.

I only have dial up and have a 360 and for some reason I just do not have any interest in the ps3 for some reason I have or had all other console's but not the ps3.

I have actually only played one once for about 10 minute's.

[SavannahLion]

Well, given the size of the games and the difficulty in shoving them around, I don't think you're really going to see much PS3 piracy outside of poor/bored college kids.  The current method is an annoying rain dance of turning on the system just right and setting up and running all the software correctly.... every single time you want to play.  With the age of the system and prevalence of 'game of the year' editions and online play, I can't really see the demand being there...

What do the game of the year editions have to do with it?

[Mikezilla]

Well, given the size of the games and the difficulty in shoving them around, I don't think you're really going to see much PS3 piracy outside of poor/bored college kids.  The current method is an annoying rain dance of turning on the system just right and setting up and running all the software correctly.... every single time you want to play.  With the age of the system and prevalence of 'game of the year' editions and online play, I can't really see the demand being there...

What do the game of the year editions have to do with it?

Price I imagine. Those titles are usually cheaper arent they? Unless he means greatest hits. I just got a PS3, Im too lazy to do anything like hack it etc, Ill just buy the games. 

[quadrider1]

dont people use a program called swiss knife or something to format an external to fat 32 that is any size like a 1TB? that Is what i have read and that hooks right up to the ps3.

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

its not a matter of the size of the disk.. Fat32 cannot address a file bigger than 4 gigs, much in the same way you can't use more than 4 gigs of ram on a 32bit system.

NTFS has a similar limit but it's something stupid huge like 256 exabytes or something.

[SavannahLion]

dont people use a program called swiss knife or something to format an external to fat 32 that is any size like a 1TB? that Is what i have read and that hooks right up to the ps3.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463
Or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_allocation_table

It basically boils down to what cot says.

[SNAAKE]

much in the same way you can't use more than 4 gigs of ram on a 32bit system.

wait so if I get one of those boards with 16gb ram support I cant get more than 4 unless I upgrade to 64bit windows7??

(little off topic)

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

much in the same way you can't use more than 4 gigs of ram on a 32bit system.

wait so if I get one of those boards with 16gb ram support I cant get more than 4 unless I upgrade to 64bit windows7??

(little off topic)

Not specifically Win7, but yes on the 64bit part. More over with a 32bit system you'll see less than 4 as the various system resources that need addressing space will 'overlap' the ram. I've seen some systems running at 32bit OS, with 4 gigs of ram, that windows could only address like 3.2 gigs of it.

Here's a gross oversimplification:
Think of the 32 bit part kind of like a phone number.. I look up the number, dial it, and at the other end I've got some kind of information given to me.. the contents of system ram, the contents of video ram, the state of a soundcard buffer... something like that. With only 32 bits to describe my phone number, I run out of numbers before I run out of bits of information I want to find out. Having 32 bits to describe the location I want to store information gives me a total of 4,294,967,295 distinct locations. This is 4 gigabytes.

Ironically all the 64 bit proccessors now don't actually give you a full 64 bits to describe the ram.. not that you could buy that much anyway. They actually set a limit at 52 bits, but that's 4 petabytes of ram. It'll be a while before we hit that limit.

[ChadTower]

I've seen some systems running at 32bit OS, with 4 gigs of ram, that windows could only address like 3.2 gigs of it.

Yep.  Main server in my house is 32bit OS with about 3.6gb usable by the OS out of four 1gb dimms.

[Edgedamage]

This might be of interest to somebody.
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/ps3-cfw-3-55-psn-installation-process-6-steps-996673/

[SNAAKE]

edit: never mind lol

[BurgerKingDiamond]

This kind of makes me sad. I always wanted the PS3 to be more succesful and it seems like things were starting to turn around some for SONY. One thing they always had going for them was a lack of piracy (for the PS3 anyway).

Homebrew/Emulators don't bother me, but the PS3 exclusives I think are what has helped the PS3 to sell. So full blown ISO trading cannot be good.  And, I know this is hypocritical, since I have a Jtag 360. The only reason I even have it is for the Japanese shmups that CAVE and other companies refuse to release in the West.

[Malenko]

I need to get a bigger HD to run more games from the HD. No "piracy" (yet? lol), but the SNES9X port is pretty amazing for such an early build. ISO trading? All I know is it took gaia about 30 minutes to copy Need For Speed from BluRay to HDD

[BurgerKingDiamond]

I need to get a bigger HD to run more games from the HD. No "piracy" (yet? lol), but the SNES9X port is pretty amazing for such an early build. ISO trading? All I know is it took gaia about 30 minutes to copy Need For Speed from BluRay to HDD

I meant ISO trading as in downloading full games for free... Does that not make sense or someting? I'm assuming that's is what this breakthrough will lead to. The same as what you can do for a Jtag'd 360.

[Malenko]

its not a matter of the size of the disk.. Fat32 cannot address a file bigger than 4 gigs, much in the same way you can't use more than 4 gigs of ram on a 32bit system.

NTFS has a similar limit but it's something stupid huge like 256 exabytes or something.

They've already over come that. they have a program to cut the big files into 4GB chunks and merge them on the PS3. Im trying to back up GT5 that way because its alledgely faster to Xfer it to external drive from the PC then plug the external into the PS3. yes my laptop has a BluRay drive.

If it becomes a big hassle, I'll just pop GT5 into gaia and play xbox360 while it copies over.

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

You know.. back in the day it would take me 2-3 days to get a PSX iso off of Usenet. Given the size of PS3 games and the various speeds of internet available to me, I think that metric would still hold true

[Malenko]

You know.. back in the day it would take me 2-3 days to get a PSX iso off of Usenet. Given the size of PS3 games and the various speeds of internet available to me, I think that metric would still hold true

No, no it's not. I guess if you had a crappy connection and were downloading a huge game it might take a day? but NBA Jam is 1.26 GBs and took like 4 minutes to copy from BluRay to HDD. It wouldnt have taken me a huge amount of time to DL it from the interwebs if I wanted to. I have 2 22Mb connections bridged (the joys of working for the cable company)

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

You know.. back in the day it would take me 2-3 days to get a PSX iso off of Usenet. Given the size of PS3 games and the various speeds of internet available to me, I think that metric would still hold true

No, no it's not. I guess if you had a crappy connection and were downloading a huge game it might take a day? but NBA Jam is 1.26 GBs and took like 4 minutes to copy from BluRay to HDD. It wouldnt have taken me a huge amount of time to DL it from the interwebs if I wanted to. I have 2 22Mb connections bridged (the joys of working for the cable company)

Maybe I'm seeing file sizes that are not accurate representations of the games then. I was seeing things in the 30-40 gig range. I suppose after doing the math proper that still doesn't come out more than a day or so on a 15mbit line.

[Malenko]

well some games are much larger then others. The average seems to be around 15-20GBs  I remember when WaReZ was like 10 MBs heh

My average is by looking at my games, not the interwebs

[Firebat138]

Yes..  I remember the days of 1.44mb downloads... copy to disk... then reload all of the disks one at a time to install
Photoshop .000000001  :-)

[Edgedamage]

This might be of interest to somebody.
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/ps3-cfw-3-55-psn-installation-process-6-steps-996673/

Yes I know I quoted myself, just wanted to let anyone who cares the thread got updated and I can confirm it works great on my 160GB ps3 slim.

[Dazz]

You know.. back in the day it would take me 2-3 days to get a PSX iso off of Usenet. Given the size of PS3 games and the various speeds of internet available to me, I think that metric would still hold true

No, no it's not. I guess if you had a crappy connection and were downloading a huge game it might take a day? but NBA Jam is 1.26 GBs and took like 4 minutes to copy from BluRay to HDD. It wouldnt have taken me a huge amount of time to DL it from the interwebs if I wanted to. I have 2 22Mb connections bridged (the joys of working for the cable company)

Maybe I'm seeing file sizes that are not accurate representations of the games then. I was seeing things in the 30-40 gig range. I suppose after doing the math proper that still doesn't come out more than a day or so on a 15mbit line.

I still haven't gotten around to modding my PS3 even tough I was an early adopter of the AVR USB's.  I'm actually glad that I've waited to do it.  I just picked up a 1tb drive, the Xecuter HDXT port and an external SATA powersource.  It all should be here this weekend.  I'll be building a custom drive enclosure soon for it all to fit into. 

I <3 my 50mbit line.  50 down/25 up  Downloading 30-40gb files isn't anything with a nice fiber line.

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

Id kill for 25 up at work. We've got 20/5 and its almost $500 a month. I need to do some calling around and see if anything else is available

[SNAAKE]

^ why so....much?? I pay $65 for 30mb down/5mb up


btw official 3.56 is out. cfw is probably gonna be out tomorrow lol. let the cat n mouse game begin

[hypernova]

I'm forever behind on internet.  Original houses never had anything other than dialup.  Then finally got ADSL, which was behind cable.  Now I've got cable, but it's a slower 7 mbps down/368 kbps up.  I can go higher, but it'll cost me more money.  (Wideband at 50 mbps down is available here, but it's $100/month.)

I'm always on the short end of the internet stick.  

So, in conclusion, I hate all of you.

[Edgedamage]

^ why so....much?? I pay $65 for 30mb down/5mb up


btw official 3.56 is out. cfw is probably gonna be out tomorrow lol. let the cat n mouse game begin

Might not be tomorrow:
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/temporary-restraining-order-issued-sony-vs-geohot-78810/

[SNAAKE]

that guy does look like a haxx0r

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

^ why so....much?? I pay $65 for 30mb down/5mb up


btw official 3.56 is out. cfw is probably gonna be out tomorrow lol. let the cat n mouse game begin

Might not be tomorrow:
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/temporary-restraining-order-issued-sony-vs-geohot-78810/

Geohot just opened the door. Other people are doing the really dirty work now:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/285891/news/new-ps3-firmware-hacked-within-hours/

[Dazz]

FYI - 3.56 brought back several bugs that were corrected in previous firmware.  Including the bug that kept people from being able to upgrade the hard drive

[Malenko]

they already got the keys for the new FW. I ripped Gran Turismo 5 to my HD then tried to Xfer to my external, GT.vol was 17GBs so I couldnt. had to FTP it over. next time I run my laptop upstairs and plug it into the router. it took so long I cancelled the Xfer and just did the BluRay right to HD