XBOX 360 as the base for an arcade cabinet?

[amheck]

Hi gang,

While I had always planned on doing a full MAME setup, I don't know that I have the time nor the energy to do so.   But I would like to get an arcade style cabinet and have it be able to play some games.  I've looked at some 360 games and there seem to be a lot of retro collections that would be more than fine for my needs.

Are there any gotcha's with building/buying a cabinet, and then putting in an LCD with an XBOX 360 hooked up with a couple arcade controller attached?  If I'm ok with the 360 game available, will this all work just fine?

Thanks in advance!

[HaRuMaN]

Yes, it will work great.

You can hack some 360 controllers, or buy some pre-hacked, and build your own control panel as well.

[amheck]

Thanks for the reply.  Although I was hoping to be able to just plug and play a controller like the X-Arcade, Street Fighter, or the HORI stick.  Will these work with most games, or is the mod needed to get them working correctly?  I guess I better start reading.  Like I said, I had assumed this might be just a plug and play project.

[HaRuMaN]

Oh, you can definitely do a plug and play, for sure.  Wasn't sure how much you wanted to do yourself, etc.

I would steer you away from the X-arcade...  the control quality is shoddy, which can be frustrating if you plan on playing any fighting games...

Hori or Street Fighter stick would both work well.  I'd probably go with Street Fighter since it has 8 buttons on the face (A,B,X,Y,RT,RB,LT,LB).

[amheck]

Oh, you can definitely do a plug and play, for sure.  Wasn't sure how much you wanted to do yourself, etc.

As little as possible.    Thanks again.

[BurgerKingDiamond]

If you can find a Jtag'd 360 then it would be absolutely perfect. You can play 360 games (jap shmups, fighters) and install Final Burn Alpha (a MAME equivalent). hack some 360 pads, and a TV of your choice (I would recommend a CRT with component for more authenticity, yet a quality picture for newer games as well.

[opt2not]

Building a panel isn't that hard really. As for the interface, just get HarumaN to hack some 360 controllers for you. His stuff is great. HE'S great too! Just don't look in his basement.

[HaRuMaN]

Building a panel isn't that hard really. As for the interface, just get HarumaN to hack some 360 controllers for you. His stuff is great. HE'S great too! Just don't look in his basement.

Shh...  nothing to see here, move along now...

[DJ_Izumi]

My problem with a 360 cab is I wouldn't only want arcade sticks.

Needs a racing wheel and flight stick for Outrun and After Burner.

[racecar]

i use a x-arcade with my xbox an ps2 which work fine

but if u were gonna just use a 360, dont get one.. just get a hacked controller or buy a cheap street fighter arcade stick and wire it to a arcade board

[Howard_Casto]

There are lots of cool arcade games for the 360, but there are lots of issues as well.  Just keep in mind that:

1.  360's still have an overheating problem.  Probably not the best idea in the world to put one inside a cabinet.

2.  A 360 really needs a hdtv.  If you are wanting to do a "traditional cabinet" then you can forget it because you'll either end up with a SD monitor for a 360 machine, which is a dumb idea, or a flat screen, which would look silly in a normal cabinet aside from the fact that putting it in a standard cab would be an incredible waste of space.

3.  360 controller protocols are encrypted, meaning for the most part you'll have to purchase an official arcade controller and upgrade it or hack a pad.

4.  360's aren't very hacker friendly atm.  Sure you can Jtag one, but then you have to be careful about going online and most of those great arcade titles are dlc, so that pretty much means you shouldn't hack it. 


My advice is to wait.  The 360 is going to make a great arcade platform, once it is properly hacked or once it is a "last-gen" machine I've gotta think it's going to be more popular than the dreamcast for arcade setups.

[SNAAKE]

I have a 360 in my arcade cabinet. mainly use finalburnnext emulator. it has scanlines filer which looks great even on lcd monitor and no lag(fbanxt runs native 1080p). you can get a vga cable if you have standard crt computer monitor or arcade vga monitor(multisync or whatever)


overheat issues were fixed long time ago. falcon and jasper is your best bet. zephyr chipset is still good. my personal zepyher been working fine for over a year inside a slim cabinet.

arcade DLC titles are "obtainable" for jtag xboxes. and no one is making you go on xbox live. you gotta have an account to get on xbl and get banned or whatever. you cant "accidentally" break anything or lose jtag hack.

I've gotta think it's going to be more popular than the dreamcast for arcade setups.

it already is.


all cps1/cps2/cps3/neogeo/vertical shooters running full speed/60fps. thats my personal requirement. then you got xbla arcade games and region locked Japanese shooters. I cant possibly ask for more.

[Malenko]

There are lots of cool arcade games for the 360, but there are lots of issues as well.  Just keep in mind that:

1.  360's still have an overheating problem.  Probably not the best idea in the world to put one inside a cabinet.

2.  A 360 really needs a hdtv.  If you are wanting to do a "traditional cabinet" then you can forget it because you'll either end up with a SD monitor for a 360 machine, which is a dumb idea, or a flat screen, which would look silly in a normal cabinet aside from the fact that putting it in a standard cab would be an incredible waste of space.

3.  360 controller protocols are encrypted, meaning for the most part you'll have to purchase an official arcade controller and upgrade it or hack a pad.

4.  360's aren't very hacker friendly atm.  Sure you can Jtag one, but then you have to be careful about going online and most of those great arcade titles are dlc, so that pretty much means you shouldn't hack it. 


My advice is to wait.  The 360 is going to make a great arcade platform, once it is properly hacked or once it is a "last-gen" machine I've gotta think it's going to be more popular than the dreamcast for arcade setups.

1) no they dont.
2) It doesnt NEED a HDTV, it just looks better on one
3)True, and haruman sells hacks.
4) they are very hacker friendly, even more so if JTAG'ed.  if you JTAG it you dont exactly need to take it online to put the DLC on the HD

[BurgerKingDiamond]

I have a 360 in my arcade cabinet. mainly use finalburnnext emulator. it has scanlines filer which looks great even on lcd monitor and no lag(fbanxt runs native 1080p). you can get a vga cable if you have standard crt computer monitor or arcade vga monitor(multisync or whatever)


overheat issues were fixed long time ago. falcon and jasper is your best bet. zephyr chipset is still good. my personal zepyher been working fine for over a year inside a slim cabinet.

arcade DLC titles are "obtainable" for jtag xboxes. and no one is making you go on xbox live. you gotta have an account to get on xbl and get banned or whatever. you cant "accidentally" break anything or lose jtag hack.

I've gotta think it's going to be more popular than the dreamcast for arcade setups.

it already is.


all cps1/cps2/cps3/neogeo/vertical shooters running full speed/60fps. thats my personal requirement. then you got xbla arcade games and region locked Japanese shooters. I cant possibly ask for more.

off topic... Snaake do you have pics of your cab?

[amheck]

Thanks for all of the additional thoughts guys.  Definitely gives me some stuff to think about.

Mainly, I guess I was planning to buy a 360 and then a few of the game titles like Namco Musuem Virtual Arcade, The Sega Collection, Konami classics, etc, and then mod the XBOX enough to be able to put the games on a harddrive with a nice frontend so that you can select which game to play.  I do want to do a real MAME setup someday, so I'll leave all of the emulation stuff for that project.  I wasn't planning to go online with this setup.  And my initial plan was to just buy a nice 24" LCD monitor to hook it up to.  Although I guess most of the old stuff is 4:3?

I'll have to do some more research on the controllers.  I would like this to be as close to a real arcade experience as possible, so I'm not sure if that means hacked controllers, or the street fighter sticks.  Which of those would be better for controlling the collection of games I am interested in?

If anyone has any 360 projects they'd like to share here, I'm definitely curious.

Thanks again.

[BurgerKingDiamond]

If you want to mod your 360 to store games on a HDD that would require a Jtag. And if you had a Jtag it would be pointless (although possible) to play old games from collection discs when you could play them in FinalBurn.

As for sticks, do you want a 4 way for DK, Pac-man etc... If you're fine with a regular 8 way then s SF stick is probably fine. I would say to hack a controller and build your own for the learning experience. That way if you get around to doing a full cab you'll have the experience.

[opt2not]

Thanks for all of the additional thoughts guys.  Definitely gives me some stuff to think about.

Mainly, I guess I was planning to buy a 360 and then a few of the game titles like Namco Musuem Virtual Arcade, The Sega Collection, Konami classics, etc, and then mod the XBOX enough to be able to put the games on a harddrive with a nice frontend so that you can select which game to play.  I do want to do a real MAME setup someday, so I'll leave all of the emulation stuff for that project.  I wasn't planning to go online with this setup.  And my initial plan was to just buy a nice 24" LCD monitor to hook it up to.  Although I guess most of the old stuff is 4:3?

I'll have to do some more research on the controllers.  I would like this to be as close to a real arcade experience as possible, so I'm not sure if that means hacked controllers, or the street fighter sticks.  Which of those would be better for controlling the collection of games I am interested in?

If anyone has any 360 projects they'd like to share here, I'm definitely curious.

Thanks again.

I put a 360 in one of my cabinets, as well as a PC for Mame. I got HarumaN to hack a couple controllers up for me, so that I can use them both on a PC and 360. I used a KVM (usb and vga) switch to bounce back and forth between the two, and it worked pretty flawlessly. The switch was mounted on the inside of the coin door, so when I wanted to switch it I just reach in there and press the little toggle button.

Having a 360 in a cabinet really lends well to a plethora of newer games that fit well with a proper arcade control panel. Games like Super Street Fighter 4, Pacman:CE, Puzzle Fighter HD, Castle Crashers, even some of the re-released japanese SHMUPS and Shooters.
My cabinet used an 19" 4:3 LCD, but the lack of Widescreen support for these games didn't really bother me too much, as they're made to scale down to the screen size.
(something about playing the new Street Fighters feels right in 4:3 mode)

The downside to having a 360 in there is that there is no easy way of hacking the analog sticks of a 360 controller. So games that solely rely on the analog sticks are unplayable (Geometry Wars, Mutant Storm, etc). But there are a lot of games that use the Dpad.  I'm not sure if the new NBA Jam uses the Dpad, but if it does, that'd be sweet too.

One other thing I wanted to mention was the online ability. I really loved connecting online with my 360, having score leader-boards, playing online against people. It really changes the solo experience at home, into a more arcade world-stage one.

Here's a link to my old Galaxbox machine. I don't have it anymore, since I sold it to a friend of mine. But I will eventually build another cabinet (perhaps based on the Vewlix design) that will definitely have the same setup.

[BurgerKingDiamond]

Thanks for all of the additional thoughts guys.  Definitely gives me some stuff to think about.

Mainly, I guess I was planning to buy a 360 and then a few of the game titles like Namco Musuem Virtual Arcade, The Sega Collection, Konami classics, etc, and then mod the XBOX enough to be able to put the games on a harddrive with a nice frontend so that you can select which game to play.  I do want to do a real MAME setup someday, so I'll leave all of the emulation stuff for that project.  I wasn't planning to go online with this setup.  And my initial plan was to just buy a nice 24" LCD monitor to hook it up to.  Although I guess most of the old stuff is 4:3?

I'll have to do some more research on the controllers.  I would like this to be as close to a real arcade experience as possible, so I'm not sure if that means hacked controllers, or the street fighter sticks.  Which of those would be better for controlling the collection of games I am interested in?

If anyone has any 360 projects they'd like to share here, I'm definitely curious.

Thanks again.

I put a 360 in one of my cabinets, as well as a PC for Mame. I got HarumaN to hack a couple controllers up for me, so that I can use them both on a PC and 360. I used a KVM (usb and vga) switch to bounce back and forth between the two, and it worked pretty flawlessly. The switch was mounted on the inside of the coin door, so when I wanted to switch it I just reach in there and press the little toggle button.

Having a 360 in a cabinet really lends well to a plethora of newer games that fit well with a proper arcade control panel. Games like Super Street Fighter 4, Pacman:CE, Puzzle Fighter HD, Castle Crashers, even some of the re-released japanese SHMUPS and Shooters.
My cabinet used an 19" 4:3 LCD, but the lack of Widescreen support for these games didn't really bother me too much, as they're made to scale down to the screen size.
(something about playing the new Street Fighters feels right in 4:3 mode)

The downside to having a 360 in there is that there is no easy way of hacking the analog sticks of a 360 controller. So games that solely rely on the analog sticks are unplayable (Geometry Wars, Mutant Storm, etc). But there are a lot of games that use the Dpad.  I'm not sure if the new NBA Jam uses the Dpad, but if it does, that'd be sweet too.

One other thing I wanted to mention was the online ability. I really loved connecting online with my 360, having score leader-boards, playing online against people. It really changes the solo experience at home, into a more arcade world-stage one.

Here's a link to my old Galaxbox machine. I don't have it anymore, since I sold it to a friend of mine. But I will eventually build another cabinet (perhaps based on the Vewlix design) that will definitely have the same setup.

that was your cab? Thats one of the first ones I checked out when I joined up here. That's one of my fave's. I hope your friend is enjoying it. I love the white and green.

[Donkbaca]

I just ha a friend if mine get a new 360 because his rrod'ed. Trying to convince him to give it to me to see if I can fix it, jtag it and put it in a slim cab. I have no idea how to do it, just the idea, so I will be keeping an eye on this

[opt2not]

that was your cab? Thats one of the first ones I checked out when I joined up here. That's one of my fave's. I hope your friend is enjoying it. I love the white and green.

Glad you liked it! I too liked the White and Green, it really lent well to the XBOX 360 theme, as well as being a Galaxian style cabinet.

I was kinda sad to let it go, but in the end it went to a good home, and I can always go visit it.

I don't have an updated picture of it, but before I handed it to him I ended up finishing off the insides -- mounting the PC and XBOX securely, and replaced the monitor plexi with a new sheet of tinted-plexi.

The next time I'm over there I'll snap a few pictures and update/close that project thread off.

[Howard_Casto]

There are lots of cool arcade games for the 360, but there are lots of issues as well.  Just keep in mind that:

1.  360's still have an overheating problem.  Probably not the best idea in the world to put one inside a cabinet.

2.  A 360 really needs a hdtv.  If you are wanting to do a "traditional cabinet" then you can forget it because you'll either end up with a SD monitor for a 360 machine, which is a dumb idea, or a flat screen, which would look silly in a normal cabinet aside from the fact that putting it in a standard cab would be an incredible waste of space.

3.  360 controller protocols are encrypted, meaning for the most part you'll have to purchase an official arcade controller and upgrade it or hack a pad.

4.  360's aren't very hacker friendly atm.  Sure you can Jtag one, but then you have to be careful about going online and most of those great arcade titles are dlc, so that pretty much means you shouldn't hack it. 


My advice is to wait.  The 360 is going to make a great arcade platform, once it is properly hacked or once it is a "last-gen" machine I've gotta think it's going to be more popular than the dreamcast for arcade setups.

1) no they dont.
2) It doesnt NEED a HDTV, it just looks better on one
3)True, and haruman sells hacks.
4) they are very hacker friendly, even more so if JTAG'ed.  if you JTAG it you dont exactly need to take it online to put the DLC on the HD
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Translation:  I steal all of my dlc titles!

[SNAAKE]

waa waa

EVERYONE "steals" around here. we all have mame cabinets with 9 billion arcade games. wheat else is new??


this is turning in a console war now. for the record none of my xbox or xbox360 ever broke or got red rings. my ps3 blu ray drive broke once. yeah $160 for a new drive from ebay(that was long time ago..I am sure its cheaper now)

[BurgerKingDiamond]

waa waa

EVERYONE "steals" around here. we all have mame cabinets with 9 billion arcade games. wheat else is new??


this is turning in a console war now. for the record none of my xbox or xbox360 ever broke or got red rings. my ps3 blu ray drive broke once. yeah $160 for a new drive from ebay(that was long time ago..I am sure its cheaper now)

did you replace that yourself? Mine went out a while back too, but I just sent it in to SONY.

[DJ_Izumi]

I'd actually feel bad about steaing 360 games.  Especially XBLA games?  There's a LOT of cool stuff on there and it needs support.  Virtual On, Outrun, Afterburner, Ikaruga, those are some primo arcade games which you can get running on Xbox 360 for a cheap price.  I'd rather see those sales supported in hopes that it brings us more.

...Maybe I just hope for Sega to bring us Daytona USA. :3

[SNAAKE]

did you replace that yourself? Mine went out a while back too, but I just sent it in to SONY.

yeye.

 it was out of warranty anyway and they wanted the same $ to fix and wait like a month or something.

[Malenko]

There are lots of cool arcade games for the 360, but there are lots of issues as well.  Just keep in mind that:

1.  360's still have an overheating problem.  Probably not the best idea in the world to put one inside a cabinet.

2.  A 360 really needs a hdtv.  If you are wanting to do a "traditional cabinet" then you can forget it because you'll either end up with a SD monitor for a 360 machine, which is a dumb idea, or a flat screen, which would look silly in a normal cabinet aside from the fact that putting it in a standard cab would be an incredible waste of space.

3.  360 controller protocols are encrypted, meaning for the most part you'll have to purchase an official arcade controller and upgrade it or hack a pad.

4.  360's aren't very hacker friendly atm.  Sure you can Jtag one, but then you have to be careful about going online and most of those great arcade titles are dlc, so that pretty much means you shouldn't hack it.  


My advice is to wait.  The 360 is going to make a great arcade platform, once it is properly hacked or once it is a "last-gen" machine I've gotta think it's going to be more popular than the dreamcast for arcade setups.

1) no they dont.
2) It doesnt NEED a HDTV, it just looks better on one
3)True, and haruman sells hacks.
4) they are very hacker friendly, even more so if JTAG'ed.  if you JTAG it you dont exactly need to take it online to put the DLC on the HD
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Translation:  I steal all of my dlc titles!

bad quotefu.  Also, I did not say to steal anything. You can buy the content on a legit 360 or even pay for it on xbox.com then move it over. Just look at my gamercard and all the content I've paid for, especially live! arcade

[amheck]

Hey guys, when you said hack a pad, do you mean take off the controller case and expose all the wires so that you can hook them up to the real arcade buttons and a nice stick?

[Malenko]

yes. solder wires right to the controller PCB and run the wires to arcade controls

[ark_ader]

What is wrong with putting an original (modded) Xbox in your cabinet instead?

[SNAAKE]

What is wrong with putting an original (modded) Xbox in your cabinet instead?

need to buy a vga box which doesnt exist anymore so you cant hook up an xbox to a standard lcd monitor with vga/hdmi. you are stuck with a standard tv or crt hdtv with component hd inputs.

xbox is only 733mhz and 64mb ram. cant play cps3 games on it. and emulation scene has been for like forever.

no xbla games.


OG xbox is still good though. I think xbox version of mame is based on 0.84 and there is finalburnxxx which plays all cps1/2/neogeo/shooters.

[versapak]

What is wrong with putting an original (modded) Xbox in your cabinet instead?

Was that something shot down earlier in the thread, and I just missed it?

To ask that question seems little different than asking what is wrong with putting a Dreamcast in the cab instead, or what is wrong with putting a PC in your cab instead.

A 360 in a cab will play 360 games. With the right 360 you can get a lot of the classic arcade emulated goodies you can get with an original Xbox, but you can get a lot more as well. Without that "right" 360, you still get all the actual 360 games and a lot of original Xbox games that can be played.

You won't be playing Castle Crashers, Pac-Man CE, Street Fighter IV, LEGO games beyond Star Wars, Pinball FX2 and many many others on your arcade cab with an original Xbox.


All that being said...

I have an original Xbox in one of my arcade machines and a 360 in another. I love em both, and nothing wrong with either.

[ark_ader]

What is wrong with putting an original (modded) Xbox in your cabinet instead?

need to buy a vga box which doesnt exist anymore so you cant hook up an xbox to a standard lcd monitor with vga/hdmi. you are stuck with a standard tv or crt hdtv with component hd inputs.

xbox is only 733mhz and 64mb ram. cant play cps3 games on it. and emulation scene has been for like forever.

no xbla games.


OG xbox is still good though. I think xbox version of mame is based on 0.84 and there is finalburnxxx which plays all cps1/2/neogeo/shooters.

Really?

Well I have component to VGA and HDMI and I get 720 easy out of it.

Coinops has Final Burn and CPS1/2/3 and nearly every console out there.  Quiet and no heat issues.

Why I would want to play 360 in an arcade cabinet, is still a mystery to me. 

[DJ_Izumi]

I have to add to this thread, I am sorely disappointed that Crazy Taxi on XBLA doesn't correctly support the Xbox 360 Wireless Racing Wheel.  Outrun Online Arcade supported it and After Burner Climax supported the Hori Ace Edge flight stick which was only released for ONE other game in North America, but no, no wheel for Crazy Taxi.

I was thinking maybe a 'Sega Racing 360' cab based on the Wireless Wheel, especially if Sega goes far with their Dreamcast games.  18 Wheeler AMerican Pro Trucker seems a likely choice as it's also a Sega IP.  ...But man I need wheeeeeeel support.

[opt2not]

Why I would want to play 360 in an arcade cabinet, is still a mystery to me. 

1. Pacman CE on a proper 4-way joystick is awesome.
2. Street Fighter 4 on a stand-up cabinet is awesome.
3. Scott Pilgrim, Castle Crashers, and a slew of newly released titles on an arcade setup is awesome.
4. Classic re-released games with worldwide online leader-boards is awesome.

If these awesome reasons don't appeal, then perhaps a 360 is not the right fit for you. Whatever floats your boat.

[SNAAKE]

cps3 games doesnt run full speed on OG xbox. its like 30fps and not playable.


just throwing it out there. right now its best to go with a 360. ps3 has been hacked too if anyone wanted to take that route. fbanext and (I THINK) mame is on ps3 too.

[versapak]

I have to add to this thread, I am sorely disappointed that Crazy Taxi on XBLA doesn't correctly support the Xbox 360 Wireless Racing Wheel.  Outrun Online Arcade supported it and After Burner Climax supported the Hori Ace Edge flight stick which was only released for ONE other game in North America, but no, no wheel for Crazy Taxi.

I was thinking maybe a 'Sega Racing 360' cab based on the Wireless Wheel, especially if Sega goes far with their Dreamcast games.  18 Wheeler AMerican Pro Trucker seems a likely choice as it's also a Sega IP.  ...But man I need wheeeeeeel support.

I wouldn't say that Outrun Online Arcade supports the wheel.


Sure you can turn with it, but there is no force feedback, and the experience with the wheel without force feedback is nothing special at all.

Crazy Taxi I didn't even bother trying. Everything about it screamed half-assed lazily tossed out port.

[versapak]

Why I would want to play 360 in an arcade cabinet, is still a mystery to me. 

Why would you not want to?

It isn't like you would put a 360 in a cab to play Halo or Call of Duty, but as there are with any console, any generation, there are plenty of cabinet friendly games.

[DJ_Izumi]

Sure you can turn with it, but there is no force feedback, and the experience with the wheel without force feedback is nothing special at all.

Crazy Taxi I didn't even bother trying. Everything about it screamed half-assed lazily tossed out port.

I admit that Force Feedback is NICE but I can live without it and at least it rumbles.

Crazy Taxi doesn't have specific support for the wheel so it has no mappings that work with the wheel.

Mapping A makes both pedals gas and break but the butterfly switches are the same so you can't use them to shift between R and D, only the A and B face buttons will shift.
Mapping B makes A and B the gas and break and you can instead shift with the pedals OR the butterfly switches.

So basically you can't use the wheel as an arcade wheel for Crazy Taxi at all.  Funny this wouldn't be NEARLY so bad if you could just map the controls yourself but instead they only give you two configs to choose from.

[versapak]

Sure you can turn with it, but there is no force feedback, and the experience with the wheel without force feedback is nothing special at all.

Crazy Taxi I didn't even bother trying. Everything about it screamed half-assed lazily tossed out port.

I admit that Force Feedback is NICE but I can live without it and at least it rumbles.

Crazy Taxi doesn't have specific support for the wheel so it has no mappings that work with the wheel.

Mapping A makes both pedals gas and break but the butterfly switches are the same so you can't use them to shift between R and D, only the A and B face buttons will shift.
Mapping B makes A and B the gas and break and you can instead shift with the pedals OR the butterfly switches.

So basically you can't use the wheel as an arcade wheel for Crazy Taxi at all.  Funny this wouldn't be NEARLY so bad if you could just map the controls yourself but instead they only give you two configs to choose from.

Well that is darn right inexcusable.

SEGA is the laziest dev there is when it comes to porting their games.

[DJ_Izumi]

Overall, Crazy Taxi is an UGLY GULY port.  Sega kept saying 'HD' and 'Widescreen' and '720p' and know what?  They lied.  On XBLA it is riddled with jaggies yet had some smooth parts and it took me a bit to figure out why.  It renders at 640x480 and is then UPSCALED to HD.  ...And... Why?  It's a 360, you can make it render at high res and antialise no problem.  The PC port of Crazy Taxi will even do high resolutions without issue. And yet when I set my 360 to 480p mode, bam, I get what an antialiased 480p image SHOULD look like.  And it isn't really widescreen, it only has the option to stretch it out.  The draw distance wasn't increased either.

So yeah, I'm fond of Sega's creations but this crap is uuuugly.  It's rushed to a point that they should feel bad for it.  Excluding leaderboards, it's a strict carbon copy of of the ports seen on DC, PC, PS2 and GameCube.