Iron Man Classic (home edition) just announced

[RayB]

I guess this means the Batman test went well.

[RayB]

THe flyer

[smartbomb2084]

Like P.T. Barnum said: "There's a sucker born every minute."

Or how about: "A fool and his money are soon parted."

[justjoe]

I dont know about that, the game looks pretty neat. I may be one of those fools...

[Pinball Wizard]

If you notice, the translite has the old Stern logo on it. I'm thinking that they has some extra parts laying around that they wanted gone.

[Jeff AMN]

What's the price on this? I'd think that it should be $3,000 or cheaper given what's in it...or NOT in it compared to the $4,500 offerings. There was no R&D time spent that wasn't already covered by the original version, hardly any marketing expense, and it's cheaper to build.

Oddly enough, I agree that the game might be better without the magnets, but they should have left the Whiplash figure in there.

[Pinball Wizard]

The grand total price is..... $3,799.99!

[Q*Bert_OP]

The grand total price is..... $3,799.99!

Seriously? I paid less than that for a real Iron Plastic Man.

[Jeff AMN]

They're crazy with that price point. Maybe The Dark Knight sold really well in Costco and they're confident. But my goodness, $3,800 is way too high.

[Pinball Wizard]

The grand total price is..... $3,799.99!

Seriously? I paid less than that for a real Iron Plastic Man.

Forgot to mention that its 3,799.99 PLUS shipping and tax.

[Jeff AMN]

My guess is that the price is set there so that operators don't buy them and spend $50 hacking coin mechs into them for commercial use. They can't undercut themselves too much or operators will do what they need to to take advantage of the situation.

[smartbomb2084]

At $3799 I rest my case. "There's a sucker born every minute."

[jennifer]

         Bold move, yes have to
 


kinda thing.

[jennifer]

     No need,  just let me be the first to say:  Stern, THANK YOU for what you have given us over the years, you will be missed.

[RayB]

Speech by Gary Stern in 2009 explains everything:

http://www.pinballnews.com/shows/expo2009/garystern.mp3

[MameMaster!]

The commercial machines were selling NIB at the Allentown pin convention in May for $4100.

This stripped down machine @ $3800 + NYS sales tax (where I am) $313.50 + shipping assuming it's at least $200 = $4313.50.

This literally does not add up.

If only they could push the price down to $2500 or less. That would be way more appealing.

But there's also the issue to consider about us-- we know what you can buy a machine for (new and used). Most folks don't have a clue. But is there a big enough market of suckers to sell these for $4K or so in Costco?

I cannot imagine there is.

It would be great if they would sell a shell-- and kits to change the machine at will. I wonder that would run for people like us who enjoy this as a hobby ?

[JeepMonkey]

Speech by Gary Stern in 2009 explains everything:

http://www.pinballnews.com/shows/expo2009/garystern.mp3

Two things I found interesting here.

1.  "I have been in pinball my entire life.  Well, I should say since I was two because my dad had..."  I don't think that you being two years old and your dad being in the business counts as experiance.  There is something about the "my entire life" comments that rubs me the wrong way.

2.  "Home buyers play these machines for three weeks, then they just become a piece of furniture."  It almost sounds like Stern either has to keep people interested for a few weeks, or be more concerned with how it looks in the house rather than how good the game actually is.

[RayB]

Two things I found interesting here.

1.  "I have been in pinball my entire life.  Well, I should say since I was two because my dad had..."  I don't think that you being two years old and your dad being in the business counts as experiance.  There is something about the "my entire life" comments that rubs me the wrong way.

Yeah, so if he said he was an MBA who got into the business 10 years ago with zero experience, that would make you all warm and fuzzy?

2.  "Home buyers play these machines for three weeks, then they just become a piece of furniture."  It almost sounds like Stern either has to keep people interested for a few weeks, or be more concerned with how it looks in the house rather than how good the game actually is.

THe point he was making is that LICENSES MATTER, because the bulk of his home buyers care more about the license than rule-sets. You have to understand he was speaking to a room of pin nerds who have bombard the guy with questions from the point of view of a pin nerd rather than from the point of view of the business reality.

[Xiaou2]

Yeah, so if he said he was an MBA who got into the business 10 years ago with zero experience, that would make you all warm and fuzzy?

 Being a Business man is far different from being creative / artistic, and having a "clue".

 (Marble Madness II anyone?  heh)

 I can go on and on about business men failures in the various industries.  Things that never would have happened, if someone who had a clue, was behind the wheel.

 Anyone can appreciate his depth of business knowledge, but, that does not mean what his ideals are correct and will work.

Home buyers play these machines for three weeks, then they just become a piece of furniture."

 So, with such Wonderful artwork they have "GAG", they think people want to put generica into the living room?


 Personally, I have no idea about "Rules".  I just play to keep the ball alive, try to get the ramps, toys, multiball, modes, etc.   The main problem is the lacking of more voices, musical scores, modes...

 If people want deeper rules, that could be part of a home package that people could buy as an add-on.

 If Stern is gona make Toys, then make toys.  But when you take just about everything out of a machine, it becomes a very overpriced toy that nobody really wants.
(Then again, many of Sterns 'toys' are pathetically useless)

 There is some truth to what he says, but theres a ton of BS in there too.