actually possible to get the fat ps2 to run on a pc vga monitor?

[northerngames]

I have a V5 fat ps2 and the official component cables made by sony that work on the ps2 & ps3 console's.

I also have a gamecube with the official component cables and they run to a component rgb to vga converter.

now the gamecube works flawless through that setup but I could not get the ps2 to display anything through the same setup.

is there a way to get the older fat ps2 to run on a vga monitor and still look good?

[DJ_Izumi]

The PS2 should output 480i and 480p in component, there's no difference to the signal output than from the GameCube.

On another note, the PS2 itself is incapable of outputting RGBHV video natively.  As you'll recall from any documentation on getting RGB setups that's five seperate signals, three colors, vertical and then horizontal sync.  You can generate RGB out of the component cables just by switching the PS2 into RGB mode from YPbPr.  But it's still not RGBHV, it's RGsB or 'Sync On Green', the H and V signals are merged into the green signal.  It will not work on VGA monitors that do not support RGsB/Sync On Green.  More over, many monitors that do support RGsB like the Dell P1110 Trinitrons I'm typing this message on, they will ONLY read a 480p RGsB signal or higher.  Most PC VGA monitors can't read a signal below 31khz, 480i is 15khz and so a 480i RGsB signal is out of range.

But here's a question, do you have the PS2 in RGB or YPbPr mode with the VGA converter?  Cause if it can only convert YPbPr to RGBHV and the PS2 is giving it RGsB, then it could just be unable to correctly convert the signal.  Had that issue using a PS2 on a YPbPr TV.  The PS2 had evidently been in RGB mode and thusly gave the TV a signal it couldn't figure out.  One setting later we got nice YPbPr on a 36" TV.

[northerngames]

I think I had it in RGB but could be wrong it has been awhile since I last tried it out.

also would it be game specific too?

[DJ_Izumi]

No, RGB and YPbPr are not game specific.  It's set in the system menu itself.  Only activation of 480p is game specific and the user is prompted as the game boots.  So yeah if the PS2 is set to RGB output that's likely your problem right there.

[SavannahLion]

DJ is correct on the RGsB business. I purchased a monitor specifically because it supported RGsB from the PS2. But I never did manage to buy the Linux kit (Those ---fudgesicle--- nuts at Frys think I'm an "illegal hacker" and a "warez kiddie" just for asking about Linux on PS2. ---smurfing--- morons) and never got around to buying it from Sony's online store before it was discontinued. Oh well.

[DJ_Izumi]

I've actually been REALLY curious as to what the PS2 VGA cable does in a PS3.  Like, I wonder if it can do more than 640x480 RGsB with it.  Not that it's likely useful since you could use true blue DVI or HDMI, but I'm curious.

[SavannahLion]

I've actually been REALLY curious as to what the PS2 VGA cable does in a PS3.  Like, I wonder if it can do more than 640x480 RGsB with it.  Not that it's likely useful since you could use true blue DVI or HDMI, but I'm curious.

I remember seeing a memo on PS3's release that Sony would not release a VGA cable and that the PS2 cable would not work. Of course, this is from memory, I can't find the original memo and it was some time ago. So who knows? PS3 did support "OtherOS" so it would make sense to have VGA support. Or were those people expected to use the component or HDMI output?

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...could use true blue DVI or HDMI,

True blue?

[SNAAKE]

http://www.hdboxpro.com/eng/shop.htm

[northerngames]

http://www.hdboxpro.com/eng/shop.htm

I dont see how that differs any from the component to vga adapter that I am already using except that it has a remote.

[SNAAKE]

most ps2 games dont output vga. hdboxpro is like upscan converter and your standard res ps2 games are upscanned to vga/upto 1080. this will display any ps2 game on a vga monitor.

[DJ_Izumi]

most ps2 games dont output vga. hdboxpro is like upscan converter and your standard res ps2 games are upscanned to vga/upto 1080. this will display any ps2 game on a vga monitor.

You didn't even read the thread, did you?  He's using a component->VGA box just like you linked, he even says it works fine for the GameCube but not for his PS2. 

[SNAAKE]

oh my bad. ok then what kind of component to vga box?


whatever ps2 games I tried worked fine with hdboxpro. you might wanna get that and sell your current box on ebay or something. throwing in ideas lol..

[DJ_Izumi]

I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that the PS2 is just set to RGB output instead of YPbBr and the box can't convert that.  So with one change in the system menu, it should all be fine.

[SNAAKE]

^only explanation lol..

dont see how gamecube games are displaying fine and not ps2.

[northerngames]

The box I have is the hyperkin VGA-2000

Component input SXGA resolution (1600 X 1200)

so I go into system menu and change the display setting on a regular tv and then power down the console and connect to a vga monitor?

it seems the console alway's reverts to the same display system upon reboot even if it was changed prior.

[DJ_Izumi]

I've never seen the RGB/YPbPr setting revert.  It should save without issue. o.o  It's not like which cables are in effect it.  AFAIK, the component and VGA cables are even the same thing as far as the PS2 knows.  It just knows it has three analog lines of output, and the selector in the menu can be set to RGB or YPbPr.

...Have you actually tested these component cables on a REAL component capable TV?  Maybe they're just, like, broken?

[northerngames]

No I dont have any component tv's

I tested the gamecube and ps2 on a ASUS VW246H 1080P LCD

the ps2 component cables should be fine as they were bought new and sealed and the only time I ever broke them out was to try the ps2 on the vga monitor and when it did not work for me I put them in a box so there still new with only like 2 minutes of use.

I will try to find someone with a component tv and see if it will work I hope its not my motherboards AV jack that has the issue.

[SavannahLion]

it seems the console alway's reverts to the same display system upon reboot even if it was changed prior.

It probably doesn't help. But I think (not 100% certain) mine does that too.

I know some of the settings revert back to defaults after a reboot. I always assumed the PS2 had some feedback on its environment so it just defaults to whatever it sees supported. I do have component cables (Catz but I'm not 100% certain of that either) but I never broke the package since my TV's inputs are all consumed by other hardware anyways.