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Author Topic: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet - DONE! 6-13-07  (Read 14030 times)

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Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet - DONE! 6-13-07
« on: March 28, 2007, 03:46:44 pm »
I am thinking up a theme for my cabinet. At first, I was going to go with a blue scheme with the whole space age/electrical theme going on.....I ordered all the stuff, blue handled sticks, buttons, t-molding....I came out with like 3 shades of blue....So, I was sitting here pondering what to do, and it hit me. I have some left over green buttons, I am making a Seahawks themed gameroom, so...why not?

Here is a mocked up Marquee....


I am going to build this using plans from the Assault cabinet from Jakobud's site, modified slightly to fit a bigger monitor. I am getting wood and cutting tomorrow, so I should have some pics then.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2007, 06:26:01 pm by btp2k2 »

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2007, 04:59:37 pm »
That's a good way to use several different blues in one cabinet.  Are you going to work the 12 into it somehow or maybe a specific player's number?  That should be a great cab to play all the sports games on, is this your console based cab?

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2007, 05:19:28 pm »
Yeah, I am thinking of integrating the 12th man maybe on the CPO or sideart......

This one is going to be on the rebuild.....Madden actually plays really well with arcade controls, the only thing that is missing is the "hit stick"....but you can map a button to that.

The one with the Dreamcast (called R-Cadecast) will be red.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2007, 07:03:34 pm »
Boo Seahawks!!!  Go GIANTS!!!

Heh - that is going to be a nice looking cab when you get done!   :cheers:

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2007, 09:52:29 pm »
Yeah....the Giants..... ::)

Seriously though...I am so excited to get this one going....I can't wait to start cutting tomorrow!

I am working on a new marquee....maybe something with Shawn Alexander or Matt Hasselbeck.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2007, 11:21:19 pm »
I love theme'd projects.  What cab style/profile are you going with?

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2007, 11:49:59 pm »
I am going with Assault...



I am going to widen it to 25" rather than the 16" of the original....not much options with a 16" wide cabinet. With 25", I have enough space for my controls without the need to a shelf style control panel and I have some good options for monitor size too.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2007, 11:51:02 pm »
Wow...that really didn't turn out so good when I attached it....

Well, here is a link to the pic....http://www.rcadedesigns.com/assault-sideLayout2.jpg

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2007, 11:58:27 pm »
BTW javeryh.....thought you would like this one.....


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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2007, 09:05:38 am »
BTW javeryh.....thought you would like this one.....



Ugh.  The filth that was flying out of my mouth at my TV that afternoon is unmatched to date.  11 drive killing penalties and you STILL needed overtime to win.  I can feel myself getting tense just thinking about it...

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2007, 09:10:41 am »
I am working on a new marquee....maybe something with Shawn Alexander or Matt Hasselbeck.

Lot of Seahawks fans in Southern MA right now... the Hasselbecks are from a town over and Tatupu grew up about a mile from my house, had many of the same teachers my kids have now.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2007, 09:29:31 am »
I hate that ball.  Go Giants.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2007, 09:45:42 am »
That ball is simply amazing.  The Seahawks rock, I am literally a lifelong fan.  Turned 40 on Wednesday the 21st and my wife put together a surprise party for me.  People who showed up all donated to a pool so I can goto a game at Quest Field this season, pretty cool.  My basement is a shrine it seems to the Seahawks and we just finished painting my sons room in official Seahawks colors.  The wife also gave me a new Largent jersey because the one I have is literally falling apart.  11 Drive killing penalties... boo hoo...  Try going to the superbowl and winning damn near every single statistically category, out playing your opponent on both sides of the ball, and losing.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2007, 09:56:55 am »
That ball is simply amazing.  The Seahawks rock, I am literally a lifelong fan.  Turned 40 on Wednesday the 21st and my wife put together a surprise party for me.  People who showed up all donated to a pool so I can goto a game at Quest Field this season, pretty cool.  My basement is a shrine it seems to the Seahawks and we just finished painting my sons room in official Seahawks colors.  The wife also gave me a new Largent jersey because the one I have is literally falling apart.  11 Drive killing penalties... boo hoo...  Try going to the superbowl and winning damn near every single statistically category, out playing your opponent on both sides of the ball, and losing.

Zeosstud <---- Die hard Seahawks fan STUCK in Columbia Missouri 

Oh yeah?  Try being the best team ever in the history of the world every single season and not winning the Super Bowl every year.  That's what it's like being a Giants fan these days!!!   ;)

I can tell you are a diehard fan because when I watched that game I never once for even a second thought the Seahawks should win or that they were the better team.  It's like the 2000 Super Bowl the Giants lost to the Ravens 34-7 that I swear to this day the reason the Giants lost was a BS holding penalty in the second quarter.  I miss football...

On a related arcade note, btp2k2 - if you are choosing player artwork I'd go with Steve Largent or some other Seahawks greats (are there any?  ;D) because if Hasselbeck or Alexander leave and go on to win a Super Bowl somewhere else you might regret putting them on your cab.  It would be like an Eagles fan building a cab with Reggie White on there or something...

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2007, 11:04:49 am »

Off the top of my head:


Dave Brown, Curt Warner, Chuck Knox (as head coach), Jacob Green, Cortez Kennedy, Dave Krieg, maybe Jim Zorn...

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2007, 11:11:34 am »


Ugh.  The filth that was flying out of my mouth at my TV that afternoon is unmatched to date.  11 drive killing penalties and you STILL needed overtime to win.  I can feel myself getting tense just thinking about it...

Yeah....and Tiki needed overtime to crack 100 yards....one of the few guys to actually crack 100 yards against us and he needed extra minutes....It's half full or half empty

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2007, 12:07:26 pm »
On a related arcade note, btp2k2 - if you are choosing player artwork I'd go with Steve Largent or some other Seahawks greats (are there any?  ;D) because if Hasselbeck or Alexander leave and go on to win a Super Bowl somewhere else you might regret putting them on your cab.  It would be like an Eagles fan building a cab with Reggie White on there or something...

Yeah, that's true.....I think I am going to stick with just the logo and integrate the 12th man and stuff.

God I love free agency! I am pretty stoked about football....I cannot wait for fall! We got our "Super Bowl runner up" problems behind us, got everyone healthy....I hope no more injuries!!!

On a side note, I was reading ChadTower's thread about the Multi Pac machine he is building for his wife and he mentioned something about Scott not being able to print the marquee due to copyright. So I got a little worried that he wouldn't be able to do the Hawks. He said as long as it is for personal use and not for sale, I am cool. Phew!

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2007, 12:28:48 pm »
You could go Jerramy Stevens theme and make the joystick come off when a high score is about to be broken...

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2007, 12:53:03 pm »
Hahaha!

I think they also call that one "The Red Eye Special"

Glad to see him go....sad to see the Hammer in another uniform next year....especially one with a Star on it.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2007, 01:03:04 pm »

The big loss for you guys was last year when Hutchinson left.  That really hurt.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2007, 05:13:24 pm »
Hey I think we're all forgetting the famous football great from the era of arcade games...




 :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I suppose you could do a funny zig-zag shape on the side of the cabinet in homage to his hair do, I know I paid homage to it at least once in my youth.

I'm looking forward to seeing the cabinet, maybe another Seatte area meet when you get these two wrapped up so we locals can see them in person.

Later,
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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2007, 11:56:45 pm »
The Boz....oh my god. If anyone gets the call from that era it would be number 80.....

Yeah, hopefully the next Seattle roundup will be in my new house. We are looking at a place in Lake Forest Park that has a finished basement complete with wet bar! I smell "arcade conversion"!

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2007, 01:03:16 am »
Is your avitar playing with his nipples?

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2007, 03:00:45 am »
Why yes, he is.

I believe Mr. Kong is lactating.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2007, 02:23:55 pm »
Here is the finalized marquee artwork....



I am also building a cabinet using a Sega Dreamcast as the brains....here is the marquee for that one....


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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2007, 04:09:42 pm »
Maybe it's too late for this suggestion, but I think that the RCADECAST would really benifit from the A at the begining.  I think because RCA is a brand it looks like R C A DECAST or something.  I had to think about how to pronounce it and that seems like something worth avoiding.  At least for me... thinking makes my head hurt :banghead:.  They both LOOK real good though, I would just think about adding the A.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2007, 04:21:59 pm »
It must be because Tails is in between them. It didn't look that way with just the type

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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2007, 05:43:49 pm »
That could be it. It's too bad there isn't room between the E and the C, if a character were there and not after the A then it would maybe break the word up and make it clearer.  It could also just be me, sometimes I'm like that. :dizzy:

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2007, 05:49:41 pm »
Damn!

Just got rained out....cut out both cabinets, was getting ready to start slot cutting and routing, and the rain started! I HATE RAIN!!!

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2007, 08:28:31 pm »
That sucks dude  :badmood:, not a drop downtown.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2007, 08:36:01 pm »
And of course......as soon as I get everything inside and swept up the saw dust in the drive way....it stops. ARGH!

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2007, 07:18:10 pm »
I spent the day dismantling the old one, so construction begins tomorrow.

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2007, 11:47:44 am »
You need to add a water feature to simulate tears and crying sound effects when you turn the machine on/off...  GO STEELERS!!   ;D ;D

Seriously though, the cab should look pretty sweet when it's done!



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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2007, 12:37:40 pm »
btp,

Maybe you can incorporate the following code into this thread somehow?

IF (MemberLocation = 'Pittsburgh') THEN PostingAllowed := FALSE;

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2007, 12:52:17 pm »
You need to add a water feature to simulate tears and crying sound effects when you turn the machine on/off...  GO STEELERS!!   ;D ;D

Seriously though, the cab should look pretty sweet when it's done!



Switch Pittsburg bash mode on
Or maybe we could simulate the Super Bowl chumps not making the play offs the next year cause they didn't have the refs help?
Switch Pittsburg bash mode off

OK, now back to the cabinet part.....I tested Madden 2007 on the machine last night and it runs awesome. I hooked up my test panel to see how it controls and it works pretty good. There are some small things missing, but all in all I think it works well. Hopefully, I will have some pics to post tonight
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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2007, 01:00:47 pm »
You need to add a water feature to simulate tears and crying sound effects when you turn the machine on/off...  GO STEELERS!!   ;D ;D

Seriously though, the cab should look pretty sweet when it's done!




Or maybe we could simulate the Super Bowl chumps not making the play offs the next year cause they didn't have the refs help?

BTW....you spelled it wrong...it's Pittsburg Stealers

I think alot of our problems this year had to do with Cowher... he knew he was retiring and didn't seem to care one way or another.  I'm not sure what to expect this year with a young coach...

I know we didn't have the stellar year that Seattle did this year...limping into the playoffs with a 9-7 record even though you play in the weakest division in the NFL, and only winning your playoff game because Romo can't hold a snap...

BTW you spelled it wrong...it's Pittsburgh

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2007, 01:20:17 pm »
Hey, out of the whole offense, one guy didn't miss a game due to injury...Walter Jones. And even he needed work done after the season. To suffer that kind of attrition, and still make it to the divisional round.....that is the definition of a stellar season.

I love how everyone brings up the "weakest division" part, like that is the Seahawks fault. Nobody said that about the Bears this year....you think the Packers and Lions challenged them at all? The North is just as weak yet nobody told the Bears they suck cause they are in a weak division.

Hasslebeck went down right as he and Branch were starting to click, then Branch had to get used to not only a new system, but another new QB, then switch back to Hass. If the offense can get Branch and Burleson plugged in next year and everyone can avoid the doctor's office, then the league better watch out.

Romo may have botched that snap, but at least the Seahawks made it to the divisional round on their own merit....not because the officials helped them. Even with Romo botching that snap, the Seahawks defense had to make a HELL of a play to stop him from running it in.

Now, unless I am mistaken....this is a thread about an arcade cabinet.
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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2007, 01:38:39 pm »
I think the same exact thing concerning Chicago and their week division, we can agree there.  But I don't care how many injuries the Seahawks had this year, you guys lost to San Fran twice and Arizona once!!  I think Seattle is a good team and you should be 6-0 in that divsion, not 3-3.

I could play the injury card as well and point out that Roethlisberger had to recover from a motorcycle accident (which he shouldn't have been riding in the first place) and an appendectomy all in the first month of the season, but I'm not going to make excuses for a team that flat out played like crap half of the time last season.

I also won't argue that there were definitely some questionable calls in the super bowl, but Seattle also didn't step up and make they plays when they needed to.  You guys had chances to win that game and came up short.

True, this is a thread about an arcade cab, so I'll get back on track and reiterate what I said in my first post, I think you will have a sweet looking cab when you are done.  The blue color scheme is cool and I always like sports themes on cabs...

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2007, 01:49:26 am »
Got stuck running errands for the wife today....did get some work done....a good portion of the glueing and clamping got done this afternoon, as well as cutting the hole for the coin door. No pics though....I was kinda in a hurry

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Re: Seattle Seahawks themed cabinet
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2007, 01:41:47 pm »

Pittsburgh lost two of its most effective weapons last year:  Bettis and RothlessIcantspellit.

One retired, the other kissed a car at 40mph.