Author Topic: OMFG I have a Defender prototype! (Read 31627 times)

Q*Bert_OP · « **on:** July 05, 2006, 10:31:10 pm »

Yes, it's true! I have the fourth Defender prototype cabinet discovered, with full color, decal side art! Jarvis himself said that there were only 4 or 5 of these made...

No, it dosen't work...yet...and no, it's not for sale!

Now for the pics...

Santoro · « **Reply #1 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:37:54 pm »

That's super-cool, how do you know?

deadkenndys1105 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:38:57 pm »

If it is the real deal how did you come by this?

Q*Bert_OP · « **Reply #3 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:41:12 pm »

Santoro: http://www.andysarcade.net/personal/defproto/

deadkennedys1105: see above...I bought it from someone who was moving...the bought it from someone's garage sale...

hutch1980 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:48:51 pm »

That's very very cool. You should definitly post when you get it working. You should also get the side art scanned so it can be vectorized for preservation.

Do you know the revision # of the board set?

Anyways, great find.

Q*Bert_OP · « **Reply #5 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:56:19 pm »

Quote from: hutch1980 on July 05, 2006, 10:48:51 pm

That's very very cool. You should definitly post when you get it working. You should also get the side art scanned so it can be vectorized for preservation.

Good idea, but I don't want anyone else to go paint their defender black, and put my scanned-in artwork on, saying that they have a proto that really isn't a proto...

hutch1980 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2006, 11:07:38 pm »

Quote from: Q*Bert_24/7 on July 05, 2006, 10:56:19 pm

Quote from: hutch1980 on July 05, 2006, 10:48:51 pm
That's very very cool. You should definitly post when you get it working. You should also get the side art scanned so it can be vectorized for preservation.

Good idea, but I don't want anyone else to go paint their defender black, and put my scanned-in artwork on, saying that they have a proto that really isn't a proto...

hmm, didn't think about that. disregard that idea, hehe. Maybe just archive it for your self

for your own restoration. I could see some niks and scratches that could use some touching up.

Do you know if the boardset is any different from the original standard defender?

Q*Bert_OP · « **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2006, 11:09:59 pm »

AFAIK, it's the same as the "early version" production board set...

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2006, 12:03:44 am »

Nice score ...

Cheers.

Havok · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2006, 08:38:47 am »

Ummm, so it's in your garage, right?

Where do you live again?

Great score! Please take a nice hi-res pic of the sideart so it can be vectorized on localarcade (the American version, not the Arabic one.. )

mahuti · « **Reply #10 on:** July 06, 2006, 10:42:12 am »

Quote

Good idea, but I don't want anyone else to go paint their defender black, and put my scanned-in artwork on, saying that they have a proto that really isn't a proto...

gotta read my man.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2006, 11:45:20 am »

Awesome find..... I was reading about you and this cab on RGVAC.
I'd be curious as to the differences other than the obvious sideart and such.
(which they probably changed due to production cost or something)

ClubNinja · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2006, 11:59:29 am »

Comparing with the andysarcade link above, it looks like you've got the wrong bezel and missing front artwork. Marquee seems right, though.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:30:40 pm »

Ah .... indeed that may be true..... it looks as if you may actually have an early production model and not a prototype.

Note the blue graphics on the bezel.

And one of my faves because I have a Hyperball.
Note the Defenders have no front artwork.

And I didn't notice earlier, but your cab has a placard on the front which looks like it has been "in service". (used on a route or in an arcade maybe)

Stingray · « **Reply #14 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:33:55 pm »

Whether a it's true proto or an early production model it's still one hell of a find! Congrats!

-S

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #15 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:43:40 pm »

No doubt ..... not denying that one bit !

boykster · « **Reply #16 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:47:26 pm »

so when are you gonna MAME it?

Just kidding....NICE find, congrats!

Q*Bert_OP · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:53:36 pm »

And y'all wouldn't believe the price I payed for it... $60

RetroJames · « **Reply #18 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:57:57 pm »

Awesome find! Just posted a news item in RB - also sent a PM for more info!

http://retroblast.com/newsitem.php?cid=1800

Q*Bert_OP · « **Reply #19 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:59:22 pm »

Quote from: RetroJames on July 06, 2006, 01:57:57 pm

Awesome find! Just posted a news item in RB - also sent a PM for more info!

http://retroblast.com/newsitem.php?cid=1800

YGPM

pointdablame · « **Reply #20 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:04:50 pm »

Quote from: Q*Bert_24/7 on July 06, 2006, 01:53:36 pm

And y'all wouldn't believe the price I payed for it... $60

oh you just suck!!!!

Awesome find.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #21 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:50:37 pm »

Quote from: Q*Bert_24/7 on July 06, 2006, 01:53:36 pm

... $60

That's friggin' insane !!

Level42 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 06, 2006, 05:07:03 pm »

Ow my God !!!!

This: http://www.andysarcade.net/personal/defproto/ machine was actualy AROUND THE CORNER from me (well....a mere 130 km....) and I missed it !!!!

Now it has been illegaly exported from Holland to the UK, you thieves

Boohoo !!

Q*bert_24/7: congrats and make it work !!!

Boz · « **Reply #23 on:** July 06, 2006, 05:07:32 pm »

Someone should consider updating the "history.dat" if it's that important.

EDIT: I guess if this is something one would put in the history.dat at all.

AC. · « **Reply #24 on:** July 07, 2006, 12:39:55 am »

Very cool. get a bunch of pics up from the side artwork.

Orclord · « **Reply #25 on:** July 07, 2006, 03:48:44 am »

"In addition to the two hardware revisions there are three software revisions, namely Red, Green and Blue label ROMs with Red label ROMs being the latest revision. Red and Green label ROM sets have 11 EPROMs, it is normal for ROM number 5 to be missing. Blue label ROM sets have 10 EPROMs, it is normal for EPROMs 4 and 5 to be missing."

If it is an early version and it's the Blue label version, this is undumped and not in Mame.

Interesting in this maybe the 2nd Blue label that has turned up within 3 weeks

AE35 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 07, 2006, 11:13:25 am »

That sure looks like Jack Kirby's hand on the side art!?!

mahuti · « **Reply #27 on:** July 07, 2006, 11:14:43 am »

Yeah, looks like, cuz the artist was swiping from him.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #28 on:** July 07, 2006, 12:20:16 pm »

There are some tid bits about that on Andy's page :
http://www.andysarcade.net/personal/defproto/

Looks like Constantino Mitchell, who did alot of artwork for Williams used some art from Jack Kirby's Fantastic Four issue #56. (1966)
For that matter... a bunch of it was from other places including the obvious Star Wars stuff.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #29 on:** July 08, 2006, 09:53:10 am »

Quote from: Q*Bert_24/7 on July 05, 2006, 10:56:19 pm

Quote from: hutch1980 on July 05, 2006, 10:48:51 pm
That's very very cool. You should definitly post when you get it working. You should also get the side art scanned so it can be vectorized for preservation.

Good idea, but I don't want anyone else to go paint their defender black, and put my scanned-in artwork on, saying that they have a proto that really isn't a proto...

Well, since nobody else is gonna say it, I might as well be the hated one. What, like I'm gonna piss him off and make him LESS likely to do it?

I think you're being *edit* a not-so-nice person *edit* by not taking a few high res pics so it can be vectorized. You don't want to devalue the cab you paid $60 for by sharing the artwork?

With only 4 machines around, the artwork will eventually be lost forever. It's flat out ridiculous not to try to get a decent version of it out there. Do you plan on selling it for $982,645,836 in 50 years or something? This is like women that like big fricken diamonds. The more expensive the better. Why? They'll say because it's worth more, but that's ridiculous, they're never going to sell it, so it's worthless, value is irrelevant at that point.

There's ways to make it so that the scanned artwork could or would be readily identifiable as a scan if you aren't one of the owners of a prototype, and simply keep the original amongst those owners, but to act as if you're upholding some noble idea because you got the steal of a lifetime and are intimating that your machine is somehow going to be devalued by knockoffs is retarded. Funniest scenario I can see is you somehow ruining your artwork yourself, and you're unable to fix the problem because you didn't wanna "spoil" whatever market you think there is. Seems clear that anyone with an idea of the rarity of that machine is also going to be aware of what they're looking at and how to tell if it's a knockoff too.

Luckily for you, I didn't get it, because I'd have worked with whoever could help me scan the artwork in so I could share it with the community. Mebbe see if you can get someone to help you trademark that artwork....you know....to "protect" it

vader · « **Reply #30 on:** July 08, 2006, 10:25:07 am »

Ditto to what Drew said....

btw....isn't this community about sharing ? If anything, scan it and have Saint host it here, but not available for download so it can at least be preserved if the need arrive and original owners need it

Tiger-Heli · « **Reply #31 on:** July 08, 2006, 11:49:11 am »

Quote from: vader88 on July 08, 2006, 10:25:07 am

Ditto to what Drew said....

btw....isn't this community about sharing ? If anything, scan it and have Saint host it here, but not available for download so it can at least be preserved if the need arrive and original owners need it

Or I imagine you could get Mahuti to save the file at localarcade without permitting it to be downloaded -

Just a thought.

RayB · « **Reply #32 on:** July 08, 2006, 02:58:32 pm »

Actually, can I offer a more realistic perspective?
He doesn't owe anyone ANYTHING. (Well, except maybe to his bank and creditors, but you get the point...)

vader · « **Reply #33 on:** July 08, 2006, 03:19:56 pm »

Quote from: RayB on July 08, 2006, 02:58:32 pm

Actually, can I offer a more realistic perspective?
He doesn't owe anyone ANYTHING. (Well, except maybe to his bank and creditors, but you get the point...)

Ray,

Were not asking for him to give us anything ( at least me ), just asking to take steps to preserve it so it's not lost forever. Letting a trusted known database just have it for safekeeping and not distrubution isn't asking alot.

missioncontrol · « **Reply #34 on:** July 09, 2006, 01:41:42 am »

Drew's right....

damn that was hard to say.....

versapak · « **Reply #35 on:** July 09, 2006, 01:50:15 am »

Quote from: missioncontrol on July 09, 2006, 01:41:42 am

Drew's right....

damn that was hard to say.....

Yeah...

What he said...

About what the other guy said...

DrewKaree · « **Reply #36 on:** July 09, 2006, 12:05:29 pm »

Quote from: RayB on July 08, 2006, 02:58:32 pm

Actually, can I offer a more realistic perspective?
He doesn't owe anyone ANYTHING. (Well, except maybe to his bank and creditors, but you get the point...)

You're right, he doesn't owe anyone ANYTHING. Kind of makes him a hypocrite though, to come to a community that's about sharing (and to some extent, preserving) information, show off the steal he found, and tell everyone "nah, I'ma keep this all to myself because I happened to luck into a pretty good find. Eff all youse guys". It's almost like he doesn't plan on ever asking a question around here, since that would be asking someone who has something HE doesn't have and needs to share it with him...y'know....because he's got a big black box with some artwork

I'm going to go out on a limb, RayB, and state that I know for a fact that you understand the concept of preserving something that has SUCH limited numbers to draw information from, and that you simply hadn't thought about why it might be important to preserve something and instead offer a solution or agreement with some of the solutions offered around here to do so.

Much like he's assuming anyone with a hard-on for Defender is gonna whip himself up a box and start selling copies of his cab, thereby making it worth $1.27, you're assuming that we believe he OWES us something, when it's just been stated that it'd be nice to preserve something that seems rather rare.

Or am I wrong and you really DON'T understand why it'd be a good thing to preserve this in some fashion?

Havok · « **Reply #37 on:** July 09, 2006, 12:40:12 pm »

Bah!

What 's the big deal about the art anyways? It's been demonstrated that it's all a ripoff from Marvel comics or Star Wars anyways...

I'm thinking with what's out there already, if someone was so inclined, that they could easily create a ripoff cab if they really wanted to anyways. (You may even have one.

)

So, with that said - take some high res pics and preserve that sucker. It's not like you're going to become a millionare by owning this thing.

Damn teenagers these days...

arcadefever · « **Reply #38 on:** July 09, 2006, 03:00:40 pm »

wowwwwww that great !!! i didnt even know about defender prototype ....
congratulation on that

Boz · « **Reply #39 on:** July 09, 2006, 09:30:32 pm »

Hey Peale? What'dya do to the original post? Did you remove the hyperlink that allows us to click on a bigger version of the images?

Just curious.


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