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Bush's supreme court nominees
« on: October 04, 2005, 11:50:53 am »
I think that Bush's choices for Supreme Court nominations have been pretty shrewd...not a quality I ever thought I would associate with him.  Thoughts?
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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2005, 12:32:14 pm »

Someone else chose them.

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2005, 12:32:39 pm »
I doubt it's him, solely, coming up with the ideas. I'm willing to gather he has long discussions with Rove, et al first.

Anyhow, Miers doesn't seem like a great move, so far, since it has completely infuriated his wing-nut base. She was a Democrat before, and donated to Gore in '88!!!! Bush says she's a hardline conservative, and that she won't be changed (a la Souter)...but she apparently already has once in her life, what makes him so sure she won't again? Did he "gaze into her soul?"

Personally, I don't know anything about her, no one does except Bush, so I can't say one way or another if I support her. Having said that though, I don't see how a person can be nominated for such an important (lifetime) appointment with such a crappy resume. But then again, we're talking about Bush cronyism here *cough* Brownie *cough*


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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2005, 12:35:45 pm »

It's the best available choice that the Democrats may not filibuster until 2009.  It's a choice that is difficult for them to truly come out and say "screw you no more conservatives", since she WAS a Democrat until recently.

Not qualified enough, but a nicely complex political choice.

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2005, 12:39:23 pm »
Granted. I get the feeling it was intended that she get shut down by the Democrats. That BushCo. wanted them to filibuster her based on her lacking resume', then he'd appoint a true Ultra-Conservative nutjob, after they blew their load. If they tried to filibuster the new nominee, the Repubs could scream, "Obstructionists!!!" and it's be all over the news...but that seems to have backfired since the Dems are mostly imbracing her. (Reid - almost literally)

The hearings should be interesting.
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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2005, 12:40:14 pm »
Thoughts?

As for my thoughts on Roberts: the EYES, MAN...they freak me OUT!




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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2005, 12:49:01 pm »
Thoughts?

As for my thoughts on Roberts: the EYES, MAN...they freak me OUT!




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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2005, 12:51:29 pm »

The slight danger for Bush here is that she may be a Democrat in Republican's clothing.

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2005, 12:59:02 pm »
One would hope that people are not appointed based on which party they are members of and rather if they use the Constitution and documents like the Declaration of Independance to base their decisions.

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2005, 01:01:35 pm »

One would hope, but one would be horribly, horribly mistaken if they did.

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2005, 01:27:43 pm »
One would hope that people are not appointed based on which party they are members of and rather if they use the Constitution and documents like the Declaration of Independance to base their decisions.


Riiiiiiight.


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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2005, 01:40:35 pm »

So what happens if Harriet really is shot down by the right? Do they fracture? Will this be the first major dissent against their Dear Leader?

Looks like Drudge is leading the charge, how soon before the lockstepping begins. His current headline, "HARRIET MIERS SUPPORTED FULL CIVIL RIGHTS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS; BACKED AIDS EDUCATION PROGRAMS FOR CITY OF DALLAS".


Doh!


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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2005, 01:45:43 pm »

God forbid someone back AIDS education! 

We can send billions to educate Africans, but not people in Texas?

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2005, 01:48:20 pm »
God forbid someone back AIDS education! 

Well, that might be a deal-breaker for a good portion of Bush's REAL base. At least the part where she *gasp* supported the gayz!!!


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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2005, 01:54:36 pm »

That same base sees AIDS education as supporting the gays too.

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2005, 02:09:37 pm »
One would hope that people are not appointed based on which party they are members of and rather if they use the Constitution and documents like the Declaration of Independance to base their decisions.

I love this business of acting like partisanship is a bad thing or saying, "I vote for the person, not the party."  The fact is, the party tells you a lot about a person.

It's perfectly reasonable for Mr. C to say, "I would never vote for a Republican."  Frankly, when Mr. C votes for a democrat it is probably out of pragmatism more than identifying with the the Democratic party, because he is probably way left of mainstream Democrats but voting for a third party is counterproductive.  When Mr. C votes for a democrat he is usually voting for someone more conservative than he is, but less conservative, of course, than the Republican who is running.  It's going to be that way 9999 times out of 10000.  For Mr. C to vote for a Republican it would pretty much have to mean that the Democrat on the ticket was more conservative than the Republican, otherwise the Republican would do a poorer job representing his views.  That's the way it is for me anyway.  I am far more liberal than almost any Democratic candidate.  It's a virtual impossibility that the political values of the Republican running are going to be closer to my own values than those of the Democrat.  The Republican and Democrat parties aren't just fraternaties. 

Long story short, every Supreme Court justice usees the Constitution and other relevant documents to influence their decisions, but there are multiple ways to interpret the Constitution that are perfectly reasonable.  The whole thing is like 8000 words.  You can read it from beginning to end in under an hour, easy.  It's filled with vagueries -- deliberately.  It's crazy to suggest that President Bush should appoint someone to the Supreme Court who doesn't believe that the Constitution should be interpreted the way he believes that it should be.  He is a very conservative Republican, which says a lot about how he believes the Constitution should be interpreted.  As dumb as I think the guy is, he would have to be a complete moron (much moreso, I mean) to deliberately nominate a liberal to the Court.  If he doesn't believe in a constitutional right to privacy, or limitations on the 2nd Amendment, or affirmative action, or wide 4th Amendment application, etc., why in God's name would or should he put someone on the court that would steer the nation towards all of those things?
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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2005, 02:27:08 pm »
She'll be confirmed.  It won't even be close.
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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2005, 02:29:47 pm »

I'm surprised that no one has complained that she is white.

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2005, 02:32:35 pm »
What pisses me off is that she's white.
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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2005, 02:33:07 pm »

So you are complaining that she is white?

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2005, 02:42:17 pm »
It's high time we had a gay green woman on the supreme court.

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2005, 02:43:23 pm »
If he doesn't believe in a constitutional right to privacy, or limitations on the 2nd Amendment, or affirmative action, or wide 4th Amendment application, etc., why in God's name would or should he put someone on the court that would steer the nation towards all of those things?

Because it makes the baby Jesus cry?

Seriously though, nice post. I agree with a good majority of it, but I think the real issue arises when we explore the idea that a president, in his responsibility to govern 100% of the country (not just 51%), should NOT attempt to appoint a justice whose views are more extreme than those he expressed to get elected (not saying that is the case here, since who the hell knows what this woman is about).

The vetting process in congress is sorely lacking with judges, and I think the Robert's hearing set a very bad precedent for obfuscation. For these justices to act like their own personal views would not effect their ruling, well, that's just insulting the intelligence of the American public. We should know HOW they feel about something before granting them a lifetime appointment to one of the most important jobs in the land, if not THEE most important.

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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2005, 02:46:57 pm »

I'm surprised that no one has complained that she is white.

What freaks me out more is that she seems to be a 60 yr. old virgin. Yikes!


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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2005, 02:47:37 pm »

Good discussion point.   ::)

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Re: Bush's supreme court nominees
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2005, 02:49:29 pm »
I don't know what she looks like. I don't know what a 60 year old virgin looks like. I don't want to know what either looks like.

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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2005, 02:53:44 pm »

She looks like the librarian at your high school.

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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2005, 02:57:32 pm »
The librarian is actually not bad looking here. You must be thinking of the dean. ;D

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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2005, 03:10:36 pm »
I have a good friend who is the family planning/STD nurse at the Health Dept.  This position lends itself to some pretty uncomfortable moments....for example she had a guy get a full erection and ask her out while she was treating his nether regions for an STD. 

But recently she had the most uncomfortable moment yet.  A guy had to come in for an HIV test for his work.  Part of the process of HIV testing is asking about sexual activity, since you can be infected for six months before your body builds up enough antibodies or whatever to show up on the HIV test.  Anyway, he was a virgin.  This was only about a week ago and when she was filling out his paperwork and wrote 42 in the spot for age she almost wrote 42 virgin (because, of course, she just saw the movie).  She said that when he said that he was still a virgin it just kind of knocked the wind out of her and she didn't know what to say.  She said he was totally normal looking and seemed like just a nice, kind of shy guy.

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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2005, 03:12:51 pm »

Hint:  he's lying to try and throw the nurse off.

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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2005, 03:40:52 pm »
Throw her off of what?  I don't know.  She talks to a lot of people about sex.  People lie to her about sex all the time.  She felt pretty strongly like the guy was serious.  I don't know why he would say that.  It would be one thing to lie and say he hadn't had sex all year, but EVER?
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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2005, 03:43:12 pm »

If it's for a job, then he may say anything.  People freak out when medical tests are related to their employment.

It could well be that he thought a positive was possible, so he was starting his case against the test itself.

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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2005, 08:35:12 pm »

She said that when he said that he was still a virgin it just kind of knocked the wind out of her and she didn't know what to say.  She said he was totally normal looking and seemed like just a nice, kind of shy guy.


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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2005, 12:04:28 am »
Anyway, lying or not I think the most interesting thing about it is how out of all the crazy sex talk she hears, and all the STDs she actually has to see 1st-hand, and of all the paps she performs, THAT is what made her uncomfortable.  And she finds that fact as bizarre as I do.
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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2005, 01:59:48 am »
It's high time we had a gay green woman on the supreme court.
How about her?
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2005, 02:01:48 am »
I'd tap that...


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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2005, 09:03:41 am »

I'm still interested to know why shmokes is pissed off that a white woman was nominated.

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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2005, 10:06:50 am »
Do Orion slave girls qualify for the supreme court? If so I say we fill the whole bench with 'em.

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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2005, 11:06:05 am »

I'm still interested to know why shmokes is pissed off that a white woman was nominated.

You're not serious...
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...there's a bit about the Supreme Court in there too.
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« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2005, 12:20:33 pm »

I'm still interested to know why shmokes is pissed off that a white woman was nominated.

You're not serious...

Sure I am.