It's coming...! 1UP Arcade sneak peek :)

[1UP]

The shadows will fall...soon all will be revealed...  

www.1uparcade.com

[Darkstalker]

Holy bejebus!  Three grand for the kit?  That better be one bitchin' cab man...Any chance for a stripped, no-artwork version to bring that price down?

[hulkster]

yeah dude, that price is kinda steep.  you should change your screenname to SlikStik or something.

[Santoro]

Sounds right to me for a highly-engineered cab like this.

Agreed, not everyone will be able to afford it, but the price seems fair.

[1UP]

Look around the site, and you'll see why it's justified.  

The other part is, I have to do quantities of more than 50 to budge my costs downward, so if we get enough orders, everyone who signs up may get a nice surprise...

For the full monty, the cost is definitely justified.  Take Hanaho's cabinet, add the cost of the larger monitor, and the extra controls on the additional control panels, and you get about the same number.

Like I said, if demand is high enough, prices will eventually come down.  But it's a complex rig, and the odd angles add a lot to *my* costs, but you couldn't do a cab like this with all 90^o angles.

[quarterback]

The shadows will fall...soon all will be revealed...  

www.1uparcade.com

Does the 'kit' include everything that's in the 'finished cabinet'?   (i.e. monitor, pc, etc)

[1UP]

Does the 'kit' include everything that's in the 'finished cabinet'?   (i.e. monitor, pc, etc)

No, just the finished wood and heavy-duty cam-and-dowel fasteners.  You supply the guts of your choice.

[SOAPboy]

Does the 'kit' include everything that's in the 'finished cabinet'?   (i.e. monitor, pc, etc)

No, just the finished wood and heavy-duty cam-and-dowel fasteners.  You supply the guts of your choice.

so.. kits would be, ipac, joysticks, buttons, spinner, trackball, ect, all wires, quick disconnects, screws, wood?

im kinda lost as to how exactly 3 GRAND is fair for a "kit" and if its fair what exactly is included

i mean, the rotating panel owns, dont get me wrong, but im kinda lost as to the "deal" of this..

[Tilzs]

3k is a lot to spend on anything

[1UP]

so.. kits would be, ipac, joysticks, buttons, spinner, trackball, ect, all wires, quick disconnects, screws, wood?

im kinda lost as to how exactly 3 GRAND is fair for a "kit" and if its fair what exactly is included

i mean, the rotating panel owns, dont get me wrong, but im kinda lost as to the "deal" of this..

This is gonna get ugly, I can tell.  It always does when money is mentioned on a hobby forum.

No, the kit is an empty cabinet, nothing more.  It is black laminated wood, cam connectors to join the pieces, and the locking mechanism/axle that allows the rotation feature.  The price includes the labor involved to construct the rotating panel assembly, because it is too complex to be shipped in "knocked-down" form.  And of course there is profit.

Fair does not mean everyone can afford it.  In the marketplace, fair means it is competitive with other products.  You pay more for something when it is built of better quality materials, or has better features, or maybe just looks better.

To use Hanaho as an example again, look on their FAQ page, and they will tell you how to order a cabinet without a monitor and PC.  Subtract $1500 for a PC and $600 for a 21" monitor (don't ask me, those are their prices...   ), and you will have a number around $2899.  I think the extra features of our empty cabinet make it worth the extra $$.

Not all products are right for all markets.  If you don't need 3 control panels, get the Slikstik kit with their classic control panel, a $200 21" monitor, and a cheap PC, and you'll have a pretty decent cab for a lot less than Hanaho's Arcade PC.  But people still buy the Hanaho product by the hundreds, because some people don't have the time nor desire to build it themselves.

I have worked on this project on and off for 2 years.  The time, effort and money I've put into it over that time has been enormous.  That factors in too.

Then there are my costs, which are going to be high right now because of all the setup.  Everyone I'm sending parts to is charging me up the rear to set things up for the first time.  The smaller the quantity of what I need, the more manual labor goes into it, and thus the higher prices.

This cabinet is not for everyone, but it is for those who can recognize the value of having an entire arcade in one corner of their home.

[Vicious]

This is gonna get ugly, I can tell.  It always does when money is mentioned on a hobby forum.

Amen to that.

[krick]

3k is a lot to spend on anything

It all depends on who you are, how much money you have, and what your priorities are.

There are people who will spend $50,000 on a car.  Personally, I think it's insane to spend that much on something that will probably not last 10 years, however people do it all the time.

[SOAPboy]

so.. kits would be, ipac, joysticks, buttons, spinner, trackball, ect, all wires, quick disconnects, screws, wood?

im kinda lost as to how exactly 3 GRAND is fair for a "kit" and if its fair what exactly is included

i mean, the rotating panel owns, dont get me wrong, but im kinda lost as to the "deal" of this..

This is gonna get ugly, I can tell.  It always does when money is mentioned on a hobby forum.

No, the kit is an empty cabinet, nothing more.  It is black laminated wood, cam connectors to join the pieces, and the locking mechanism/axle that allows the rotation feature.  The price includes the labor involved to construct the rotating panel assembly, because it is too complex to be shipped in "knocked-down" form.  And of course there is profit.

Fair does not mean everyone can afford it.  In the marketplace, fair means it is competitive with other products.  You pay more for something when it is built of better quality materials, or has better features, or maybe just looks better.

To use Hanaho as an example again, look on their FAQ page, and they will tell you how to order a cabinet without a monitor and PC.  Subtract $1500 for a PC and $600 for a 21" monitor (don't ask me, those are their prices...   ), and you will have a number around $2899.  I think the extra features of our empty cabinet make it worth the extra $$.

Not all products are right for all markets.  If you don't need 3 control panels, get the Slikstik kit with their classic control panel, a $200 21" monitor, and a cheap PC, and you'll have a pretty decent cab for a lot less than Hanaho's Arcade PC.  But people still buy the Hanaho product by the hundreds, because some people don't have the time nor desire to build it themselves.

I have worked on this project on and off for 2 years.  The time, effort and money I've put into it over that time has been enormous.  That factors in too.

Then there are my costs, which are going to be high right now because of all the setup.  Everyone I'm sending parts to is charging me up the rear to set things up for the first time.  The smaller the quantity of what I need, the more manual labor goes into it, and thus the higher prices.

This cabinet is not for everyone, but it is for those who can recognize the value of having an entire arcade in one corner of their home.

I really think the rotating panel thing is dope, but truth be told, theres no way in hell (assuming your sending just wood and the assembly for the rotating panel) that theres 3 GRAND in cost there.. i understand profit, understand it well, but theres a point where profit and rape get to close.. now i know time is money, and depending on what kind of time is used for each one of those assemblys, im just personally not to sure about that kind of price..

i know i know, this isnt a cheap hobby bla bla.. but were not talking about a full ready to rock cab here, were talking about a pile of wood..

and dont take it personally, but this to me is one of those things that people are just trying to make huge bank off of when in reality its nothing more than 100 bucks in wood shipped to someone for crazy money..

[Vicious]

I myself do not prefer cab kits but you're failing to see everything.  It may be just wood, but:

Time is definitely money.  Two years is a long time (and probably feels like an eternity doing something like this).  And like he said, when he has to have things sent, that costs quite a bit.  He's probably having the wood CNC'd and not cutting it in the garage so that costs.  Electricity costs.  If he's to have a physical front to store these cabs, that costs.  Setting up a business costs.  And obviously taxes are gonna cost him.

Of course he's gonna want a profit.  Who wouldn't?  But I seriously doubt he's gonna be Daddy Warbucks with this venture.  Most of the cabs he sells in the beginning I would imagine would have to go towards paying off a lot of bills he has incurred (and probably still is incurring).

[SOAPboy]

I myself do not prefer cab kits but you're failing to see everything.  It may be just wood, but:

Time is definitely money.  Two years is a long time (and probably feels like an eternity doing something like this).  And like he said, when he has to have things sent, that costs quite a bit.  He's probably having the wood CNC'd and not cutting it in the garage so that costs.  Electricity costs.  If he's to have a physical front to store these cabs, that costs.  Setting up a business costs.  And obviously taxes are gonna cost him.

Of course he's gonna want a profit.  Who wouldn't?  But I seriously doubt he's gonna be Daddy Warbucks with this venture.  Most of the cabs he sells in the beginning I would imagine would have to go towards paying off a lot of bills he has incurred (and probably still is incurring).

i have zero problem with profit.. i dunno, just seems more like a retail profit to me.. you know.. 300% markup kinda stuff.. hell maybe im wrong and hes making 40 bucks on each one..

[1UP]

I really think the rotating panel thing is dope, but truth be told, theres no way in hell (assuming your sending just wood and the assembly for the rotating panel) that theres 3 GRAND in cost there

There's no need to go down this road again, it's been done so many times before...  

Nobody sells at cost.  Everything you buy is marked up by 50-200% of what it cost to make, some things are even more.  I pay $125 per month for a prescription medicine that is a pile of pills that barely covers the bottom of of the vial.  There's no way it costs the drug company $125 for about half an ounce of chemicals to make that.  But they have the patent, so they can charge whatever they like.  In 10 years, the patent will run out, and there will be a generic form that will cost $5.  It's supply and demand.

This isn't something you need like a prescription.  If it's too expensive, don't buy it.  You'd be much happier turning a pile of wood into a game cabinet!  It's so much fun, I know from experience...

i know i know, this isnt a cheap hobby bla bla.. but were not talking about a full ready to rock cab here, were talking about a pile of wood..

Let me know where you can find a pile of wood pre-cut and pre-drilled to do what our cab can do for $100.  It would save me a lot of money!  And it's actually a cab *almost* ready to rock.  An hour with a screwdriver will have it up and running.

and dont take it personally, but this to me is one of those things that people are just trying to make huge bank off of when in reality its nothing more than 100 bucks in wood shipped to someone for crazy money..

And a car is just a pile of sheet metal.  Welcome to the real world.  Even the cheapie kits out there don't cost $100.  No one is selling cabs to be a humanitarian.  They are all selling them for money.  

I think if you compare similar products, you'll find I'm in roughly the same price range as most others out there.  But you probably wouldn't buy their cabs either.

[SOAPboy]

[quote author=SOAPboy link=board=1;threadid=26657;start=0#msg220636 I really think the rotating panel thing is dope, but truth be told, theres no way in hell (assuming your sending just wood and the assembly for the rotating panel) that theres 3 GRAND in cost there

There's no need to go down this road again, it's been done so many times before...  

Nobody sells at cost.  Everything you buy is marked up by 50-200% of what it cost to make, some things are even more.  I pay $125 per month for a prescription medicine that is a pile of pills that barely covers the bottom of of the vial.  There's no way it costs the drug company $125 for about half an ounce of chemicals to make that.  But they have the patent, so they can charge whatever they like.  In 10 years, the patent will run out, and there will be a generic form that will cost $5.  It's supply and demand.

This isn't something you need like a prescription.  If it's too expensive, don't buy it.  You'd be much happier turning a pile of wood into a game cabinet!  It's so much fun, I know from experience...

i know i know, this isnt a cheap hobby bla bla.. but were not talking about a full ready to rock cab here, were talking about a pile of wood..

Let me know where you can find a pile of wood pre-cut and pre-drilled to do what our cab can do for $100.  It would save me a lot of money!  And it's actually a cab *almost* ready to rock.  An hour with a screwdriver will have it up and running.

and dont take it personally, but this to me is one of those things that people are just trying to make huge bank off of when in reality its nothing more than 100 bucks in wood shipped to someone for crazy money..

And a car is just a pile of sheet metal.  Welcome to the real world.  Even the cheapie kits out there don't cost $100.  No one is selling cabs to be a humanitarian.  They are all selling them for money.  

I think if you compare similar products, you'll find I'm in roughly the same price range as most others out there.  But you probably wouldn't buy their cabs either.

maybe i just have moral issues with charging people insane ammounts of money for something..

love the idea, great youll sell it, id just feel better knowing that you arnt just jacking the price up ten fold..

and enough of the   crap.. sarcasim is thick enough..

[1UP]

Most of the cabs he sells in the beginning I would imagine would have to go towards paying off a lot of bills he has incurred (and probably still is incurring).

Exactly.  The startup on something like this is expensive.  There are patents, lawyers, business taxes, setup costs for all the shops that build the cabinets and parts, web design, credit card billing, accounting services, insurance, an industrial space to package and ship from, and on and on.  These are the things no one sees when they say "there's no way it costs that much."  I probably won't even see a profit until the first couple batches are sold.  And I'm doing it totally by myself, on credit cards, savings, and a macaroni diet.  

[1UP]

love the idea, great youll sell it, id just feel better knowing that you arnt just jacking the price up ten fold..

Definitely not anywhere near ten fold.  I'm obviously not going to reveal my costs, but if you saw the bill I got just for cutting out the wood, it would probably shock you.  

[SOAPboy]

Most of the cabs he sells in the beginning I would imagine would have to go towards paying off a lot of bills he has incurred (and probably still is incurring).

Exactly.  The startup on something like this is expensive.  There are patents, lawyers, business taxes, setup costs for all the shops that build the cabinets and parts, web design, credit card billing, accounting services, insurance, an industrial space to package and ship from, and on and on.  These are the things no one sees when they say "there's no way it costs that much."  I probably won't even see a profit until the first couple batches are sold.  And I'm doing it totally by myself, on credit cards, savings, and a macaroni diet.  

takes money to make money man.. i 100% understand the process of this kind of thing, so dont think im just a kid who thinks its to expensive because my allowance wont pay for it.. its just one of those WTF 3 GRAND FOR WOOD kinda things.. im sure if you were on the other side of the fence you would see what im talking about..

and i wish the best of luck with it, and for someone who just has tons of cash to blow its a awsome idea.. its just i dunno, one of those things that hits me odd..

its like my computer buisness and xbox modding i do.. i charge cost and a very very small markup.. say a video card costs me 200, its 220 to the customer.. that way both partys are happy..  now i realize you cant markup a cabinet that costs say 500 to make to 550 bucks and call it good, i totally realize that.. hell a grand, grand and a half is fine.. but once the markup hits that point where its outragious is where the line kinda starts.. i dont wanna say greed because well, liek you said, its out of your pocket atm, but you gotta see what im saying here too.. lets say, you invest 40k into this, and you can build AND ship one for 800 bucks.. 1600 bucks wouldnt be all that unfair considering the unique layout of the cp and such.. in fact, its kinda a one of a kinda thing, so double cost is more than reasonable..

* SOAPboy shrugs

hell maybe im just missing where the huge cost is comming in..

[SOAPboy]

love the idea, great youll sell it, id just feel better knowing that you arnt just jacking the price up ten fold..

Definitely not anywhere near ten fold.  I'm obviously not going to reveal my costs, but if you saw the bill I got just for cutting out the wood, it would probably shock you.  

im thinking you need to hit me up on aim.. for real..

[1UP]

lets say, you invest 40k into this, and you can build AND ship one for 800 bucks.. 1600 bucks wouldnt be all that unfair considering the unique layout of the cp and such.. in fact, its kinda a one of a kinda thing, so double cost is more than reasonable..

* SOAPboy shrugs

Nope, it's not 800 bucks either, keep going...  And shipping costs quite a bit on something this heavy.

There's one other thing to consider that I haven't brought up.  If I was able to sell the kits for $1600 and make a decent profit, anyone could buy a bunch, stack them in a garage, get a bunch of illegal immigrants with screwdrivers and set up a little side business undercutting my finished cabinets, even if I dropped my prices back down to Hanaho's level.  This is why I almost didn't consider making kits at all.

When I get a greater volume of orders, the price will come down, because my prices will come down.  I'll still be able to make a good profit, and charge less.  That's the goal.

[SOAPboy]

lets say, you invest 40k into this, and you can build AND ship one for 800 bucks.. 1600 bucks wouldnt be all that unfair considering the unique layout of the cp and such.. in fact, its kinda a one of a kinda thing, so double cost is more than reasonable..

* SOAPboy shrugs

Nope, it's not 800 bucks either, keep going...  And shipping costs quite a bit on something this heavy.

There's one other thing to consider that I haven't brought up.  If I was able to sell the kits for $1600 and make a decent profit, anyone could buy a bunch, stack them in a garage, get a bunch of illegal immigrants with screwdrivers and set up a little side business undercutting my finished cabinets, even if I dropped my prices back down to Hanaho's level.  This is why I almost didn't consider making kits at all.

When I get a greater volume of orders, the price will come down, because my prices will come down.  I'll still be able to make a good profit, and charge less.  That's the goal.

only problem with not doing kits, shipping is easier with it not assembled =P

its all good man, i really dont mean to bag the buisness, i just have a hard time with costs considering i live in the midwest where everything seems cheap  


kinda like these looneys trying to sell gutted cabs in medocer shape for 200+ lmfao, no less there generally junk knockoffs anyways.. >_<

[1UP]

its all good man, i really dont mean to bag the buisness, i just have a hard time with costs considering i live in the midwest where everything seems cheap  

Hey, I totally get your perspective.  I came from Arizona, where you can get an absolutely awesome house for $250k.  I mean a 2-story dream home.  Here in L.A., you can barely get a duplex for that.  

That's another thing...rent for industrial space here is a nightmare.  I could save so much cash by taking the business elsewhere, but we do kind of like California.  Besides, I just registered the business here.

[SOAPboy]

its all good man, i really dont mean to bag the buisness, i just have a hard time with costs considering i live in the midwest where everything seems cheap  

Hey, I totally get your perspective.  I came from Arizona, where you can get an absolutely awesome house for $250k.  I mean a 2-story dream home.  Here in L.A., you can barely get a duplex for that.  

That's another thing...rent for industrial space here is a nightmare.  I could save so much cash by taking the business elsewhere, but we do kind of like California.  Besides, I just registered the business here.

AZ huh? i lived in havasu..  

[Sylentwulf]

Just a suggestion, but your biggest "catch" by FAR is that rotating control panel obviously. No plans on JUST selling the CP setup with hardware?

I think we've all built comparable mame cabs for under $1,200 buying everything brand new, WITHOUT that type of control panel, but noone is going to spend an extra $4,200 (listed cost of complete cab on your site) just for a spinning CP.

Just a thought, would DEFINITELY be in everyone best interest to sell JUST that CP, with hardware, and brief "one way of installing it in our cab would be this...." papers.

[Hoagie_one]

Quick story.

My buddy really wants a cab, bad.  But he has no skill what so ever.  When i told him about the spinning panels, he drooled and asked if i could do one.  I cant, because im not that skilled.  When I told him that one was being built for production and would prolly cost about $6000 for a complete cab...he said he was all there.

Now thats alot for some people, but for others, its a fine price for what they are getting.

So I say...too expensive, dont buy it then.   DUH

[pointdablame]

Wow, this is a damn shame.  It's really sad how people are ripping on 1UP here.  Saying "no offense" or "dont take it personally" doesn't change what you are doing.

1UP is starting up this company from scratch.  Some people in this thread obviously have NO CLUE about business.  Why don't you try to get a patent, set up a production facility or chain, pay for storage, electicity, materials, overhead, shipping, etc etc, and then ---smurfette--- about his prices.

Seriously... if you don't like his prices, go make your own cab for less money.... 1UP is one of us, he builds his own cabs too.  If you wanna go build your own for a third of his price, go for it.  Go build a corvette for $15K if you want too... some people just don't have the ability to do so.  Those are the people that will buy a car or be interested in a cab like this.

I mean, think of it this way.... if 1UP could sell these cabs for 50-200% profit at say $1800 or $2000 or some such, don't you think he would?  He would completely destroy the competition.  He's only doing what every other buisiness on this planet does.  An xbox modding service is NOT a business... I build computers for family/friends/acquaintances and usually charge say $50-100 above cost to put it together.... that doesn't make me a business and doesn't mean that Alienware should charge $50 above cost.

1UP - Good luck with your venture, I know its a huge risk starting up a business, especially in such a niche market.  I personally (and unfortunately for me) can't afford one myself, but I don't think there is anything wrong with your price.  You're offering a unique product and I can only assume it will be a high quality product after seeing the original Pac-Mamea.  

[deadmoney5]

I was just reading the argument between Soapbox and   1-Up...

Soapbox comes out with...

maybe i just have moral issues with charging people insane ammounts of money for something..

but then I read this from him..

its like my computer buisness and xbox modding i do

What do you think all these people who are modding their x-boxes are doing?  99% are making illegal copies of games and playing them on their modded x-box...No morality issues with that, Soapbox?

Don't get me wrong..I don't care either way, but I just thought this was funny

[Minwah]

Sound good 1UP .  I agree the price is fair, considering the amount of time/effort and the very small market there is for this kind of thing (not to mention the unique rotating CP's).  Sound like 1UP is going about everything the right way too, so the quality should be top-notch.

Looking forward to seeing more...

[quarterback]

I think this machine looks freakin' awesome.  

I do admit that I was surprised that the cab kit without computer, monitor or even controls was $3k, but I think that's primarily because I naturally visualize the guts (all the electronics) and the assembly as being more 'valuable' than the box it goes into.

So that's why (to me) paying $3000 for the cab parts and 'only' $2500 for the controls, computer, monitor and assembly seems odd.

But, while $5499 for a complete item is a little too steep for my blood, I'm sure there are people out there who would pay that for what sounds like a really great setup.

My only other question is when you say "And shipping costs quite a bit on something this heavy".  Are you implying that shipping is included in these prices?  If so, I think you should mention that.  Otherwise people look at the $5,499 and think that it'll probably be closer to $6,000 when it's all said and done (and more if there are taxes involved)

One last thing to ponder (maybe for the future, maybe for now).  If you were to set up some kind of 'referral' bonus/credit/whatever, you might be able to utilize the DIY community to your benefit.   My guess is that even those who won't buy this machine MIGHT know people who would.  And with some kind of incentive, they might even beat the pavement/make some calls for you.

[spidermonkey]

This squabbling about the price is obsurd. If people saw 1-UP'S stack of bills for this project they wouldn't be whining about the price and those who do whine have absolutly no idea what it costs to design and market a unique product like this. There's currently *nothing* on the market that even comes close to this type of design. Every other prefab cab out there looks like any typical run of the mill conversion cabinet and yet they all charge an arm and a leg for it. I think 1-UP'S prices are justified when you consider the alternatives. Just look at the glorified book shelf that X-ARCADE is selling. I don't think I've ever seen a new product announced here where there isn't a few people who complain about the price. I'm sure 1-UP knows that this site won't be his target marketplace for his new cab but this is a good place to get the word out since their are many guests who stumble onto this site and lurk around for alternatives. Some of the hardcore do-it-yourselfers around here will squabble about a five dollar price difference on a florescent light fixture for their marquee. Its just human nature for the "do it yourselfer"  to seek out bargains for their project since they're trying to make their project for less then it would cost to buy a premade unit in addition to having the freedom to built it to suit their needs myself incl.  BUT there's alot of people out there who don't have the time,knowledge,patience,room and motivation to build their own but still want a cab that stands out over the typical prefab MAME cab designs that are currently out there. Where else can you find a cab kit with a three sided rotating control panel that has enough room to *tastfully* house enough types of controls to play probably 80 to 90% of the games offered in MAME ? The answer is..nowhere ! Don't be discouraged 1-UP as I'm sure you'll do just fine. If there wasn't money to be made then all the other prefab companies out there would close their doors. Keep in mind that most of the prefab cabs out there all look very similar in that they're pretty much based on a standard cab design yet their seems to be enough buyers out there to keep most of these copycat companies in business. You on the other hand have *no* competition when it comes to cabs with rotating control panels so if someone has their heart set on this design then they either build it themselves or they buy it from you. Enjoy it while it lasts as I'm sure their will be copycats but right now you're on top of the heap so good luck with your unique design.

[Crazy Cooter]

I think since it's his product, he can charge whatever he wants.  1up in no way should have to "justify" his prices.  He knows what the bills are and what he needs to make off each one to make it worthwhile.  Nobody bugs Ultimarc (Andy) to justify his prices.  You just buy it if you justify your expense vs. time equation.  A keyboard is like 1/10 the cost of an ipac.

Anyhow, any chance of getting a peek at each of the CP's?  Did you stick with a similar setup to what you had on the original?  I've got a two panel modular type design I'm working on and want to see what I won't be able to do.

Excellent work 1up, wish you the best.  If I had the cash, I'd buy one fully assembled.  You do great work and have inspired several of us.

[Pilot143]

the biggest thing to keep inmind here... is that this isn't one of those 'wall-unit' snap together cabs... this is a REAL cab... something that is quality design.  

and even ontop of that... who else sells a rotating panel cab?  nevermind of this quality.

[RayB]

to all:
If you want a Porsche but can't afford one, don't ---smurfette---.

I'm in the business of making and selling Flash games. I get similar reactions as 1up got here sometimes. I name my price to license a Flash game and when it's a serious customer, they don't flinch. We work out details, maybe tweak the costs and tweak what the game needs and in the end I get my costs covered plus profit. This customer is usually related to marketing for a company or brand. They understand the value of the product for their purposes.

But then there's the other kind of customer, the one who will actually reply with comments like "are you insane!?". They expect Flash games for $50 each. They typically are owners of those sites with hundreds and thousands of Flash games on them. They think my prices are ridiculous because THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. My attitude to them is "you are not my target audience".

I would rather sell 1 copy of my game for $1000 than 20 copies at $50. The less my game is out there, the more value it has. Also the less tech support I have to provide. Tech support eats into profits.

1Up will surely have to eat into his profits every time a shipment arrives damaged. Every time he has to get on the phone and help someone too dense to understand the assembly instructions, and every time someone screws up and 1Up has to ship out a replacement part out of customer courtesy.

The bottom line, is if you think the cost is ridiculous, you are not 1up's target audience. But it's to be expected when posting on a Built It Yourself website. We are all making our own "street cars" while 1up will be selling luxury cars.

~Ray B.

[The Man]

I talked to a couple friends of mine about this, and even though we have the tools and the skills to build one, this is a good alternative and well priced for the end result.

This is just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Nice work 1UP keep it coming

TM

[Will]

My feeling is with all the time and effort and expense it cost to get a project like this off the ground no one has the right to say it cost to much.Its real simple you dont like the price dont buy it.I just thinks its really cool that 1up is trying to innovate something that has been pretty much the same design for many moons.Way to go 1up keep up the good work!!!-Will

[NIVO]

I say congrats to you 1UP. Its not an easy decision to get into the business world, and risk your own possesions on a venture such as this. Good Luck to you.

I'm NIVO, and I approved this message.

[blueoakleyz]

I'm not going to read all the arguments for/against in this thread but I'm just gonna say this, for hobbyists like us who really like to build things on our own, it might be expensive, but I just realized that there is a lot of appeal to other really rich people (including celebrities) where that price would be no problem
if you sell to any famous people let us know

[walls83]

Im with 1up go for it man... If I had the money I would buy one... There is def a market place for this cab and I wish all the success one can handle 1up...  Im tired of seeing 4 player cabs for 5 grand on Ebay.  I think with the rotating CP and the slick design youll make some money.. Just need to get the word out...  best of luck...