how do i wire up the SlikStik Tornado Spinner

[janey]

I got this spinner can you guys or gals advise me as to
how do i wire this up to a usb cable ??/ To play on  mame and Hyperspin ?  I also have the have a 1pac2 controller.

[janey]

more pics

[PL1]

Based on this review, the board is the optical encoder to PS/2 or USB adapter and the connector with the cut wires is the place to splice in a PS/2 or USB connector.

There are 4 wires in a USB cable (pinout here) -- 5v, data-, data+, and ground. (or do you want it connected via PS/2?)

Red is probably 5v and one of the black wires is probably ground. (I'll check the photo you just posted to see if I can tell the difference between the black wire connections.  )

If you have a diode-test function on your multimeter, you can test the LEDs in the optical assemblies (black u-shaped items) by connecting to the 5v (red lead) and ground (black lead) wires.

You can see if the IR LEDs are working using a cell phone/digital camera.

Orange and brown are probably data- and data+

The fifth wire on your connector is probably a frame ground to bleed off static electricity.

If you want to add mouse buttons, the pins on the other connector are Ground, Left Mouse, Middle Mouse, and Right Mouse buttons.


Scott
EDIT: Non-standard wire colors.   

[PL1]

Found the datasheet for the CY7C63723-PC here.

Looks like there are some non-standard wire colors so my earlier post may be off.

IC Pin 11 is Vcc. (Operating voltage)

IC Pin 6 is ground.

IC Pins 12 and 13 are the data lines.


Scott
EDIT: Attached pinout based on datasheet.   

[janey6152]

i want to connect it to a USB cable   

[PL1]

Just use the USB pinout and a multimeter to match the 4 wires of the USB cable to the corresponding wires on the SlikStik pinout image.   



Pin 1       VCC (+5 V)    
Pin 2       Data−    
Pin 3       Data+    
Pin 4       Ground

You may want to use a euro-style terminal strip to join the wires in case the data lines are reversed.



Scott

[janey]

Ok i wired accordingly  and when i   plug into usb slot ,nothing...

[PL1]

Ok i wired accordingly  and when i   plug into usb slot ,nothing...

When you say "nothing", does that mean that the computer doesn't see new hardware or that the cursor won't move?

While the USB is plugged in, use a digital camera/cell phone to check that the IR LED in both sensors light up -- if one of them is burned out, that would cause a problem.


Scott

[janey]

the computer doesn't see new hardware/
  what  IR LED  I dont think it has a IR LED???

[Slippyblade]

  what  IR LED  I dont think it has a IR LED???

The sensors that the the spinner uses are an IR LED with an IR detector.  They are on either side of the encoder wheel.  Very standard optical interface.  What he means is apply power and then use pretty much ANY digital camera to look at the sensors.  The photo element in digital cameras sees IR light.  It's kinda neat actually.

[PL1]

what  IR LED  I dont think it has a IR LED???

Sometimes the IR LED wavelength is outside the camera's frequency range, so the camera test isn't always perfect.

The LEDs are in the opto circuits. (the two black c-shaped items at the bottom of this pic)



Each opto circuit contains an LED (left side) and a photodiode (right side) in the c-shaped enclosure.



The encoder wheel either blocks the light (logic low) or allows it to hit the photodiode. (logic high)  More details here.

The two opto circuits generate voltages like this as the encoder teeth block both optos (1), then only one (2), then neither (3), then the other.(4)



BTW, I really wasn't kidding earlier when I posted that you should get a terminal strip for these connections -- GGG and Radio Shack both carry the euro-style ones.

To troubleshoot your spinner step-by-step:

1. Disconnect all four USB wires from the spinner connector wires.

2. Ensure the bare ends aren't shorting together (preferably using the terminal strip) and plug in the USB cable.

3. Use your multimeter to confirm that the black USB wire is indeed ground. (0v relative to the USB connector's metal outer shell)

4. Confirm that the red USB wire is 5v relative to the black wire.

5. Unplug the USB cable.

6. Connect USB black wire to spinner blue wire.

7. Connect USB red wire to spinner brown wire.

8. Connect the spinner connector and plug in the USB cable.

9. Confirm that you now have 5v at pin 11 of the IC.



10. Check pin 1 for a logic high (close to 5v) -- if it reads logic low (close to 0v), turn the spinner knob slightly.
If the pin does not give a logic high, the related opto circuit is probably burned out.

11. Repeat step 10 checking pin 2.

12. Unplug the USB cable.

13. Connect the two USB (blue and white) and spinner (green and orange) data wires. Not sure if blue goes to green or orange.   

14. Plug in the USB cable.

15. If the spinner doesn't work, swap the green and orange wires and try again.

16. If that doesn't work, reseat the IC and repeat steps 14 and 15.

17. If reseating the IC doesn't help, you may need to replace it.


Scott

EDIT: Here are several parts links for the SlikStik Tornado Spinner.

Opto (DUAL CHANNEL SLOTTED OPTICAL SWITCH) - http://na.suzohapp.com/all_catalogs/accessories/S822-SD?SS=BOM

Replacement PCB (USB PS2 SPINNER PCB ASSEMBLY WITH AXIS SELECTOR SWITCH) - http://na.suzohapp.com/all_catalogs/accessories/95-2780-00

Pre-fab mouse button cable (3-Button Cable for Tornado Spinner)  - http://na.suzohapp.com/all_catalogs/trackballs/55-0305-00

[janey]

WOW      PL1   gonna read this and follow directions ..

 Thank you So Muchhh

[Slippyblade]

WOW      PL1   gonna read this and follow directions ..

 Thank you So Muchhh

Scott to the rescue!  Again.  Seriously, sometimes I think this guy is secretly the Internet Superman.

[janey6152]

aaarg its not working... gonna get a new board n wire  connection.

[PL1]

What step is it failing at?


Scott

[janey]

OKKK  This is what i did . I used the wire from an old mouse ps2 and connected it to the spinner , and the chip started to smell like it was burning..

[PL1]

Did you verify the pinout was correct before you connected it to the spinner? (cable 5v to spinner 5v, cable ground to spinner ground, cable data lines to spinner data lines)


Scott

[janey]

No I didnt  I fig being it came off of a mouse the connection to ps2 would be the same..
 This sucks Im gonna order the ps2 cable and the usb cable , Hopefully i didnt burn out the chip.

Thanks for the help.

 Janet