Holy Hanaho!!!!

[SirPoonga]

Wow, I haven't been to hanaho's sight in a long time.  They've been changing.
They were on Wheel of Fortune, interesting.
More interesting, to this comunity, they have a DIY kit to build your own cabinet.  Only $600
http://www.hanaho.com/products/ArcadeWerX/Ultra/index.html
Unfortunately that doesn't include the hotrod or monitor apparently.  But the graphics look pretty sweet.  It appears they put capcom graphics on all their cabinets.  Scratch that, I think that is for show on their webpage as the FAQS say only in black.  My guess, they renewed their capcom license though....
I like the FAQS
Q: Can I put my own joystick controller in there?
A: Sure.. But why?


now I wonder what this is
http://www.hanaho.com/products/ArcadeGTO/index.html

[Howard_Casto]

Q: Can I put my own joystick controller in there?
A: Sure.. But why?

It's comments like that that make me hate hanho.  They are the worst thing ever to happen to the hobby.  It's not the fact that they make pre-mades, but their attitude.  They write their faq's like there isn't any alternative but their products to play emulated games with real controls.  They also act like anything else is second rate.  

I saw hanho's new cabs and personally I think they are hideous... the colors are too loud and they clash, not to mention the fact that the cabs aw seem to be manily blue and the hotrod is purple.  Excuse me someone make them take an art class.  Plus, I'm sorry but if you are going to make a "generic" cab make it black. I mean come on 95% of all cabs were black.  I'm sure it was a marketing idea to make it "stand out and look different," but the whole point is to have a cab just like in the arcade.  If they don't understand that then they really don't get it.  

Sorry I hate to rant like that, but it's hanho... it's a dirty word to me, it should be corrected in the auto-filter.        

[Analog-X]

I'm assuming thats $600 U.S Dollars??

I live in Canada, so I went to a local arcade dealer and bought a Fully Operational Street Fighter Alpha 2 Cabinet, which includes the following.... 25" Arcade Monitor(no screen burn), 2 Joystick 6 button configuration Control Panel, Working Coin Door, Marquees and ofcourse a working game.

How much did I pay for that??  

$700 Canadian thats $442.68 U.S


Now your saying Hanaho sells an empty cab for $600 U.S.  that for me is $948.94 Canadian and does not include shipping.

You tell me which is the better deal here?  

[SNAAAKE]

like i said,never buy anything from hanaho.
c'mon...$600 for an empty cab is the worst deal ever.
does not come with monitor or control panel.

VERY FUNNY

[Richy]

Yeah and 600 dollers for shipping to US only and 200 for the hotrod joystck and then you have to buy the pc and moniter, thats well over a grand, i spent about 300 on my total cabinet including the pc.

[PCC]

Thanks for the link.

I have to agree that they are relatively expensive, but if you don't have the tools, skills, or time - it offers another alternative.  Some people prefer new and Hanaho isn't destroying classic cabs (which is nice).  Plus, it doesn't come with a control panel, which leaves you with a nice little control panel project (which is more in line with the size of project that many are willing to undertake).

I would like to see a coin door option to make it look a little more authentic.  The Capcom graphics are nice, too bad they didn't pick up the same theme on the marquee.  For that matter, if the control panel also had the Capcom graphics, I think they'd have a winner (even at their current price).

I didn't see if they are including licenced Capcom ROM files; but all and all, an interesting product.  I'm glad to see it.

[SirPoonga]

I didn't see if they are including licenced Capcom ROM files; but all and all, an interesting product.  I'm glad to see it.

It's included with the hotrod.

As you said, it's an alternative to those who don't have the time, tools, whatever from building their own.  people have to remember, with a commercial product you are not only buying the product, you are buying the technical supposrt that comes with it.  You can't say that about home built cabinets or used cabinets.

I don't see it as that bad of a deal.  So far to build my cabinet it probably has been probably about $700-$800 (not including computer) and alot of time.  I still have a bunch more to do to the cabinet too.
ArcadeWerks is $600+$200 for hotrod+$200 (use own own monitor).  that's $1000.  Ok, so $200-$300 more than what I have so far I could get a kit, save time, and have tech support, and I wouldn't need as many tools (hence I wouldn't have had to build it in my dad's garage, I could have assembled it in my apartment).  As they say, time is money, if you want to save time you better spend the money.

Now, someone might complain aobut shipping cost being added on.  well, you are going to end up paying shipping on all the arcade parts, arcade monitor if you use that, or anything you get from ebay.  It all works out pretty evenly.

Now, the bigger question is, if you modify the cabinet or hotrod, does it void any tech support or warranty?  The first thing I would do with the hotrod is add a spinner.

[Dink]

Actually, the Acadewerx is too small and too short, imho.  Did you see the video of the classic games show in Vegas from August?  Some guy playing Robotron, rocking the Arcadewerx back and forth too much for my taste.

I think all the premades on the market are too expensive.  It's still easier (and cheaper) to buy an empty classic cabinet for $50-100 and cut it up to suit your needs.

It's comments like that that make me hate hanho.  It's not the fact that they make pre-mades, but their attitude.  They also act like anything else is second rate.  

Kinda why I don't use Lazarus. (Gotcha)

[neuromancer]

I didn't see if they are including licenced Capcom ROM files; but all and all, an interesting product.  I'm glad to see it.

It's included with the hotrod.

Hotrod is an *extra* $199.

For $600 you get wood, coindoor, feet, marque, light.

Bob

[SirPoonga]

I think all the premades on the market are too expensive.  It's still easier (and cheaper) to buy an empty classic cabinet for $50-100 and cut it up to suit your needs.

All depends if you can get a decent cabinet in good shape.  I went that route originally, but the abinet I got was hard to work with with out replacing most everything.

[SirPoonga]

For $600 you get wood, coindoor, feet, marque, light.

Did you not read my other post above?
That's $600 for wood, coindoor, feet, marquee, paint, service, warranty, someone to complain to if something isn't right, not having to buy tools, not having to build your own if you don't have the facilities.

I know some people who would like to have a cabinet, but they don;t have the tool, facilities or know how to make it.  Some people do live in apartments, dorm rooms, etc....  It's worth the price when you can't do it yourself.

It's like this, my friend's dad runs a machine shop.  It is very close to a well know raceway.  Stuff is usually very cheap through him, but only if you order ahead of time.  His location is prime.  He makes most of his money because some team needs a replacement part fast.  Then the price for it goes up at least 500%.  Same idea with hanaho.  You don't have the time, tools, or facilities, they will do the hard work for you.

[SNAAAKE]

Kinda why I don't use Lazarus. (Gotcha)

I agree 100%.
Thats probley the same reason i dont use Lazarus.

And for hanaho cabinets,you can get a cab with 25" monitor,coin door,marque,monitor glass and control panel all together for like $150+$75 shiping over here in New York city.
So the hanaho deal is very bad.
Call it a rip off

[SirPoonga]

Kinda why I don't use Lazarus. (Gotcha)

I agree 100%.
Thats probley the same reason i dont use Lazarus.

And for hanaho cabinets,you can get a cab with 25" monitor,coin door,marque,monitor glass and control panel all together for like $150+$75 shiping over here in New York city.
So the hanaho deal is very bad.
Call it a rip off

But you aren't including the hidden costs.  One obvious hidden cost in that is the fact that the cabinet is JAMMA.  You will need convertors, jpacs, whatever to make it work with a PC.  Plus that seems like an unbelievable price, unless the monitor isn't working.

[SNAAAKE]

its not unbelievable when you have like a 1000 machines to fix in a warehouse.This place i know is huge.They probley have anything you are looking for ever.

you can just hack a vga cable and use arcade os...no jpac needed...

I converted 3 cabinets i bought from that place.All sold on ebay.The monitors were in decent condition.They will try a game to let you see how the monitor look.If you really hate the burned out monitor,you can get him like $20 and a case of bear and he would replace it with a good monitor.

They just have too many stuff there.
I was supposed to get the address for some folks that emailed me couple of times.

hang in there buddies..next time i go there..i will get the address for sure.

[SirPoonga]

you can just hack a vga cable and use arcade os...no jpac needed...

Assuming you want to only be stuck with arcadeos:)

Some people are lucky and live in the right locations.  For others they aren't so fortunate.

[Analog-X]

Some dont seem to get my point.

Here are my costs, all Prices in U.S. Dollars.

Full Size Fully Working SF2 Jamma Cab  price     $442.68
J-PAC Programmable JAMMA interface shipping  $  64.00
PIII - 700Mhz PC from E-bay                              $200.00
Rented Van to pick up Cab from Dealer             $  20.00
                                                                          -----------
                                                  Total Cost        $726.68

Here is the price from Hanaho without PC ofcourse.
ArcadeWerx 'Ultra' base   price  $599.95
Ultra cabinet 10" Stand   price   $199.95
HotRod Joystick             price $199.95
Shipping/Handling flat rate of    $100.00
                                                 -----------
                        $1099.85

California residents add 8.25% sales tax. = $1190.58

A difference of $463.90

Did I need to tools? NO!!! Do I get support? YES!! Cause I bought it from arcade dealer.

Not that I need support.

If you have a money tree growing in your backyard than go ahead and buy the Hanaho Cab.

[SNAAAKE]

If you have a money tree growing in your backyard than go ahead and buy the Hanaho Cab.

HAHAHAHAHAH.....  you are pretty funny..didn't realize you were that funny..

hah......money tree jokes ! ! !....funny but true

[Analog-X]

One other thing I'd like to mention is, buy purchasing a real Arcade, I have saved a cab which otherwise would be destined for a land fill site.

- I'm keeping everything on the Cab Original
- I'm not painting the Cab or painting any mame logos on it.
- I'm not going to drill any holes anywhere period!!! If I decide to build a new control panel, it will be done from scratch and match the dimensions of the original one so I dont have to make any new holes.

Its not that hard to convert a cab into MAME yet keep it reversable.

Its my way of preserving a piece of Arcade History and respecting those who collect Arcades for Collecting and not maming.

[toilet]

I've heard a lot of complaints about how close player 1 and player 2's controls are to one another, especially for fighting games.

Edit: Oops, my bad. I was confusing this controller with the X-Arcade stick, not the Hot-Rod.

[Analog-X]

I took a good friend of mine with me when I was looking at purchasing a cab.  The Sales guy at the Aracde Shop was very nice, he lets us play any game we wanted for as long as we wanted.

So my friend and I played the Street Fighter Alpha 2 Cab which I eventually purchased.  

We didnt find the joysticks too close together, however we both have Average Body size.   I can see how some people might complain that the joysticks are too close.

[Dink]

Some dont seem to get my point.
Here is the price from Hanaho without PC ofcourse.

I don't get your point when you include a PC price in one and not the other.  You'll need a PC for the ArcadeWerx too.

[Analog-X]

Some dont seem to get my point.
Here is the price from Hanaho without PC ofcourse.

I don't get your point when you include a PC price in one and not the other.  You'll need a PC for the ArcadeWerx too.

Whats there not to get?  I was illustrating that my System with a PC was still $400+ Cheaper than the Hanaho Package.

PC prices can range between $100-$10,000 depends on what pC you want to get.  

You want me to add a PC to the Price list for ArcadeWerx? Sure $1000 + $5000 for new pc = $6000.

Does that make sense? no.

when you buy a Hanaho Cab its up to you to buy and install a PC in there.  

[Dink]

Whats there not to get?  I was illustrating that my System with a PC was still $400+ Cheaper than the Hanaho Package.

Ah, see, there? Now that you stated it, you're making sense.  See how that works?

PC prices can range between $100-$10,000 depends on what pC you want to get.  
 
You want me to add a PC to the Price list for ArcadeWerx? Sure $1000 + $5000 for new pc = $6000.
 
Does that make sense? no.

You're right, it doesn't make sense to buy a $5000 computer for a mame cabinet.  No need to get sassy about it.

[HanaHoStaff]

We at HanaHo try very hard over the years to build top quality products.  But some people choose to compare our products to 10, 15 and sometimes 20+ year old arcade games.   That’s like comparing a 2002 Honda Civic priced around $14,000 to a used 1982 Honda Civic you can purchase for around $1000 to $2000.  There are people that prefer to purchase old cars and fix them up.  There will be people out there that want to take that old arcade game and bring life back to it.  But if you took the actual amount of what you really spent, and added the hours you had to spend trying to make it all work in that old used arcade game.  It will add up to be much more then you expected.  You will find a deal here and there.  There are many people that purchase the HotRod and use it for their emulation cabinet.  There are many people that just want to purchase a brand new Arcade PC and enjoy the games.

Please understand that those 10-20+ year old arcade games cost between $3000 and $5000 back then when they were new.  If you are to go out today and purchase a new arcade game, with proprietary hardware, you will pay between $3000 and $5000.  We were selling Dedicated Marvel Vs Capcom 2 to the Arcades for over $4600 just a few years ago.  Our Arcade PCs and ArcadeWerX products are for the people that love classic games and love that new car smell.  Thank you all for your support.

Regards,

HanaHo Staff

[SNAAAKE]

Smells good.

[Analog-X]

  Wow we got Hanaho responding here?

I would have purchased a full sized ArcadePC however it was out of my budget.

These forums are for people to share their ideas and experiences and opinions.  The topic happned to be Hanaho which is what I used in my price comparison example, it is not a personal attack or trying to undermine what hanaho is doing.  Just excersising my freedom of speech and my opinion.

ps: WHy would you wanna smell your cabinet?

[Richy]

Still though, building it yourself is much cheaper and more satisfying, but if you want to buy for hananho you should. I'd much rather build one myself though.